DailyCaller: Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright

[spursncowboys]

Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright

By Jonathan Strong - The Daily Caller 1:15 AM 07/20/2010



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It was the moment of greatest peril for then-Sen. Barack Obama’s political career. In the heat of the presidential campaign, videos surfaced of Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, angrily denouncing whites, the U.S. government and America itself. Obama had once bragged of his closeness to Wright. Now the black nationalist preacher’s rhetoric was threatening to torpedo Obama’s campaign.

The crisis reached a howling pitch in mid-April, 2008, at an ABC News debate moderated by Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos. Gibson asked Obama why it had taken him so long – nearly a year since Wright’s remarks became public – to dissociate himself from them. Stephanopoulos asked, “Do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?”

Watching this all at home were members of Journolist, a listserv comprised of several hundred liberal journalists, as well as like-minded professors and activists. The tough questioning from the ABC anchors left many of them outraged. “George [Stephanopoulos],” fumed Richard Kim of the Nation, is “being a disgusting little rat snake.”

Others went further. According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage.

In one instance, Spencer Ackerman of the Washington Independent urged his colleagues to deflect attention from Obama’s relationship with Wright by changing the subject. Pick one of Obama’s conservative critics, Ackerman wrote, “Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists.”

Michael Tomasky, a writer for the Guardian, also tried to rally his fellow members of Journolist: “Listen folks–in my opinion, we all have to do what we can to kill ABC and this idiocy in whatever venues we have. This isn’t about defending Obama. This is about how the [mainstream media] kills any chance of discourse that actually serves the people.”

“Richard Kim got this right above: ‘a horrible glimpse of general election press strategy.’ He’s dead on,” Tomasky continued. “We need to throw chairs now, try as hard as we can to get the call next time. Otherwise the questions in October will be exactly like this. This is just a disease.”

(In an interview Monday, Tomasky defended his position, calling the ABC debate an example of shoddy journalism.)

Thomas Schaller, a columnist for the Baltimore Sun as well as a political science professor, upped the ante from there. In a post with the subject header, “why don’t we use the power of this list to do something about the debate?” Schaller proposed coordinating a “smart statement expressing disgust” at the questions Gibson and Stephanopoulos had posed to Obama.

“It would create quite a stir, I bet, and be a warning against future behavior of the sort,” Schaller wrote.

Tomasky approved. “YES. A thousand times yes,” he exclaimed.

The members began collaborating on their open letter. Jonathan Stein of Mother Jones rejected an early draft, saying, “I’d say too short. In my opinion, it doesn’t go far enough in highlighting the inanity of some of [Gibson's] and [Stephanopoulos’s] questions. And it doesn’t point out their factual inaccuracies …Our friends at Media Matters probably have tons of experience with this sort of thing, if we want their input.”
Jared Bernstein, who would go on to be Vice President Joe Biden’s top economist when Obama took office, helped, too. The letter should be “Short, punchy and solely focused on vapidity of gotcha,” Bernstein wrote.

In the midst of this collaborative enterprise, Holly Yeager, now of the Columbia Journalism Review, dropped into the conversation to say “be sure to read” a column in that day’s Washington Post that attacked the debate.

Columnist Joe Conason weighed in with suggestions. So did Slate contributor David Greenberg, and David Roberts of the website Grist. Todd Gitlin, a professor of journalism at Columbia University, helped too.

Journolist members signed the statement and released it April 18, calling the debate “a revolting descent into tabloid journalism and a gross disservice to Americans concerned about the great issues facing the nation and the world.”

The letter caused a brief splash and won the attention of the New York Times. But only a week later, Obama – and the journalists who were helping him – were on the defensive once again.

Jeremiah Wright was back in the news after making a series of media appearances. At the National Press Club, Wright claimed Obama had only repudiated his beliefs for “political reasons.” Wright also reiterated his charge that the U.S. federal government had created AIDS as a means of committing genocide against African Americans.
It was another crisis, and members of Journolist again rose to help Obama.

Chris Hayes of the Nation posted on April 29, 2008, urging his colleagues to ignore Wright. Hayes directed his message to “particularly those in the ostensible mainstream media” who were members of the list.

The Wright controversy, Hayes argued, was not about Wright at all. Instead, “It has everything to do with the attempts of the right to maintain control of the country.”
Hayes castigated his fellow liberals for criticizing Wright. “All this hand wringing about just how awful and odious Rev. Wright remarks are just keeps the hustle going.”
“Our country disappears people. It tortures people. It has the blood of as many as one million Iraqi civilians — men, women, children, the infirmed — on its hands. You’ll forgive me if I just can’t quite dredge up the requisite amount of outrage over Barack Obama’s pastor,” Hayes wrote.

Hayes urged his colleagues – especially the straight news reporters who were charged with covering the campaign in a neutral way – to bury the Wright scandal. “I’m not saying we should all rush en masse to defend Wright. If you don’t think he’s worthy of defense, don’t defend him! What I’m saying is that there is no earthly reason to use our various platforms to discuss what about Wright we find objectionable,” Hayes said.
(Reached by phone Monday, Hayes argued his words then fell on deaf ears. “I can say ‘hey I don’t think you guys should cover this,’ but no one listened to me.”)

Katha Pollitt – Hayes’s colleague at the Nation – didn’t disagree on principle, though she did sound weary of the propaganda. “I hear you. but I am really tired of defending the indefensible. The people who attacked Clinton on Monica were prissy and ridiculous, but let me tell you it was no fun, as a feminist and a woman, waving aside as politically irrelevant and part of the vast rightwing conspiracy Paula, Monica, Kathleen, Juanita,” Pollitt said.

“Part of me doesn’t like this shit either,” agreed Spencer Ackerman, then of the Washington Independent. “But what I like less is being governed by racists and warmongers and criminals.”

Ackerman went on:
I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It’s not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright’s defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.

And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.
Ackerman did allow there were some Republicans who weren’t racists. “We’ll know who doesn’t deserve this treatment — Ross Douthat, for instance — but the others need to get it.” He also said he had begun to implement his plan. “I previewed it a bit on my blog last week after Commentary wildly distorted a comment Joe Cirincione made to make him appear like (what else) an antisemite. So I said: why is it that so many on the right have such a problem with the first viable prospective African-American president?”

Several members of the list disagreed with Ackerman – but only on strategic grounds.
“Spencer, you’re wrong,” wrote Mark Schmitt, now an editor at the American Prospect. “Calling Fred Barnes a racist doesn’t further the argument, and not just because Juan Williams is his new black friend, but because that makes it all about character. The goal is to get to the point where you can contrast some _thing_ — Obama’s substantive agenda — with this crap.”
(In an interview Monday, Schmitt declined to say whether he thought Ackerman’s plan was wrong. “That is not a question I’m going to answer,” he said.)

Kevin Drum, then of Washington Monthly, also disagreed with Ackerman’s strategy. “I think it’s worth keeping in mind that Obama is trying (or says he’s trying) to run a campaign that avoids precisely the kind of thing Spencer is talking about, and turning this into a gutter brawl would probably hurt the Obama brand pretty strongly. After all, why vote for him if it turns out he’s not going change the way politics works?”
But it was Ackerman who had the last word. “Kevin, I’m not saying OBAMA should do this. I’m saying WE should do this.”

[Winehole23]

Speaking on a liberal list serve, journalists had wondered how the Wright story could be stifled. One obnoxious young participant had even suggested that the story could be killed by hurling accusations of racism at conservative figures like Fred Barnes and Karl Rove. Conservatives exploded: The media were colluding to quash bad news about their beloved Obama! Only of course the Wright story was not quashed — unlike the story of Breitbart's role in Sherrod's firing, which has been, at least among conservatives.http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/20...ervative-media (http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/205190/shirley-sherrod-and-the-shame-of-conservative-media)

[DMX7]

lol DailyCaller.

[spursncowboys]

others went further. According to records obtained by the daily caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including time, politico, the huffington post, the baltimore sun, the guardian, salon and the new republic participated in outpourings of anger over how obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage.

In one instance, spencer ackerman of the washington independent urged his colleagues to deflect attention from obama’s relationship with wright by changing the subject. Pick one of obama’s conservative critics, ackerman wrote, “fred barnes, karl rove, who cares — and call them racists.”

[jack sommerset]

Wasn't Rev. Jeremiah Wright Barrys priest or something.

[jack sommerset]

Nevermind, I'll read the article.

[spursncowboys]

Wasn't Rev. Jeremiah Wright Barrys priest or something.
Ugh Ugh ...
Fred Barnes hates blacks!!!

[jack sommerset]

Ugh Ugh ...
Fred Barnes hates blacks!!!


I knew that. Rove hates them too.

[Stringer_Bell]

"time, politico, the huffington post, the baltimore sun, the guardian, salon and the new republic" are the REAL reason Obama won the presidency. if they hadn't conspired to supress the Rev. Wright story, everyone would have realized what a bad guy Obama really was.

i want my country back, but first let's boycott "time, politico, the huffington post, the baltimore sun, the guardian, salon and the new republic" and make them pay for stealing it from us REAL Americans!

[Spurminator]

Lotta white Jesse Jacksons around here lately...

[CosmicCowboy]

Have you guys actually read the comments from these alleged "journalists"?

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/

If you were in the presence of a man having a heart attack, how would you respond? As he clutched his chest in desperation and pain, would you call 911? Would you try to save him from dying? Of course you would.

But if that man was Rush Limbaugh, and you were Sarah Spitz, a producer for National Public Radio (update: Spitz was a producer for NPR affiliate KCRW for the show Left, Right & Center), that isn’t what you’d do at all.

In a post to the list-serv Journolist, an online meeting place for liberal journalists, Spitz wrote that she would “Laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out” as Limbaugh writhed in torment.

In boasting that she would gleefully watch a man die in front of her eyes, Spitz seemed to shock even herself. “I never knew I had this much hate in me,” she wrote. “But he deserves it.”

Spitz’s hatred for Limbaugh seems intemperate, even imbalanced. On Journolist, where conservatives are regarded not as opponents but as enemies, it barely raised an eyebrow.

In the summer of 2009, agitated citizens from across the country flocked to town hall meetings to berate lawmakers who had declared support for President Obama’s health care bill. For most people, the protests seemed like an exercise in participatory democracy, rowdy as some of them became.

On Journolist, the question was whether the protestors were garden-variety fascists or actual Nazis.

“You know, at the risk of violating Godwin’s law, is anyone starting to see parallels here between the teabaggers and their tactics and the rise of the Brownshirts?” asked Bloomberg’s Ryan Donmoyer. “Esp. Now that it’s getting violent? Reminds me of the Beer Hall fracases of the 1920s.”

Richard Yeselson, a researcher for an organized labor group who also writes for liberal magazines, agreed. “They want a deficit driven militarist/heterosexist/herrenvolk state,” Yeselson wrote. “This is core of the Bush/Cheney base transmorgrified into an even more explicitly racialized/anti-cosmopolitan constituency. Why? Um, because the president is a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama. But it’s all the same old nuts in the same old bins with some new labels: the gun nuts, the anti tax nuts, the religious nuts, the homophobes, the anti-feminists, the anti-abortion lunatics, the racist/confederate crackpots, the anti-immigration whackos (who feel Bush betrayed them) the pathological government haters (which subsumes some of the othercategories, like the gun nuts and the anti-tax nuts).”

“I’m not saying these guys are capital F-fascists,” added blogger Lindsay Beyerstein, “but they don’t want limited government. Their desired end looks more like a corporate state than a rugged individualist paradise. The rank and file wants a state that will reach into the intimate of citizens when it comes to sex, reproductive freedom, censorship, and rampant incarceration in the name of law and order.”

On Journolist, there was rarely such thing as an honorable political disagreement between the left and right, though there were many disagreements on the left. In the view of many who’ve posted to the list-serv, conservatives aren’t simply wrong, they are evil. And while journalists are trained never to presume motive, Journolist members tend to assume that the other side is acting out of the darkest and most dishonorable motives.

When the writer Victor Davis Hanson wrote an article about immigration for National Review, for example, blogger Ed Kilgore didn’t even bother to grapple with Hanson’s arguments. Instead Kilgore dismissed Hanson’s piece out of hand as “the kind of Old White Guy cultural reaction that is at the heart of the Tea Party Movement. It’s very close in spirit to the classic 1970s racist tome, The Camp of the Saints, where White Guys struggle to make up their minds whether to go out and murder brown people or just give up.”

The very existence of Fox News, meanwhile, sends Journolisters into paroxysms of rage. When Howell Raines charged that the network had a conservative bias, the members of Journolist discussed whether the federal government should shut the channel down.

“I am genuinely scared” of Fox, wrote Guardian columnist Daniel Davies, because it “shows you that a genuinely shameless and unethical media organisation *cannot* be controlled by any form of peer pressure or self-regulation, and nor can it be successfully cold-shouldered or ostracised. In order to have even a semblance of control, you need a tough legal framework.” Davies, a Brit, frequently argued the United States needed stricter libel laws.

“I agree,” said Michael Scherer of Time Magazine. Roger “Ailes understands that his job is to build a tribal identity, not a news organization. You can’t hurt Fox by saying it gets it wrong, if Ailes just uses the criticism to deepen the tribal identity.”

Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at UCLA, suggested that the federal government simply yank Fox off the air. “I hate to open this can of worms,” he wrote, “but is there any reason why the FCC couldn’t simply pull their broadcasting permit once it expires?”

And so a debate ensued. Time’s Scherer, who had seemed to express support for increased regulation of Fox, suddenly appeared to have qualms: “Do you really want the political parties/white house picking which media operations are news operations and which are a less respectable hybrid of news and political advocacy?”

But Zasloff stuck to his position. “I think that they are doing that anyway; they leak to whom they want to for political purposes,” he wrote. “If this means that some White House reporters don’t get a press pass for the press secretary’s daily briefing and that this means that they actually have to, you know, do some reporting and analysis instead of repeating press releases, then I’ll take that risk.”

Scherer seemed alarmed. “So we would have press briefings in which only media organizations that are deemed by the briefer to be acceptable are invited to attend?”

John Judis, a senior editor at the New Republic, came down on Zasloff’s side, the side of censorship. “Pre-Fox,” he wrote, “I’d say Scherer’s questions made sense as a question of principle. Now it is only tactical.”

[CosmicCowboy]

double post

[DarrinS]

Speaking on a liberal list serve, journalists had wondered how the Wright story could be stifled. One obnoxious young participant had even suggested that the story could be killed by hurling accusations of racism at conservative figures like Fred Barnes and Karl Rove. Conservatives exploded: The media were colluding to quash bad news about their beloved Obama! Only of course the Wright story was not quashed — unlike the story of Breitbart's role in Sherrod's firing, which has been, at least among conservatives.






:lol Everyone knows that the video was posted on the web by Breitbart.

[DarrinS]

Ugh Ugh ...
Fred Barnes hates blacks!!!


I dislike the policies of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barney Frank, so evidently I hate ugly women, Mormons, and homos with speech impediments.

[ChumpDumper]

Why are white people so afraid of black people?

[spursncowboys]

all star material like always.

[ChumpDumper]

all star material like always.Why are you afraid of black people, snc?

[jack sommerset]

A real 1st teamer.

[ChumpDumper]

jack can't read.

Why is jack afraid of black people?

[LnGrrrR]

OH EM GEE! LIBERAL MEDIA! Thank goodness there's no examples on the right side of the aisle, calling to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran (ooh wooooooo ooo), or certain blonde women calling all Muslims out, etc etc.

[spursncowboys]

Why are you afraid of black people, snc?
i'm not afraid of my grandmother.

[jack sommerset]

jack can't read.

Why is jack afraid of black people?

I didn't know I was.

[Ignignokt]

OH EM GEE! LIBERAL MEDIA! Thank goodness there's no examples on the right side of the aisle, calling to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran (ooh wooooooo ooo), or certain blonde women calling all Muslims out, etc etc.

Which fox news anchors are wanting to censor a whole news outfit?

Which fox news anchors are praying for the death of _______ archetypical liberal?

Thanx for agreeing that there is a liberal bias.:tu

[Ignignokt]

Why are white people so afraid of black people?

Why are you afraid of Yoni?

[angrydude]

nothing to see here people, move along, move along.

[LnGrrrR]

Which fox news anchors are wanting to censor a whole news outfit?

Which fox news anchors are praying for the death of _______ archetypical liberal?

Thanx for agreeing that there is a liberal bias.:tu

To be honest, I didn't see any news anchors listed, just journalists. Could you point them out?

Also, you should probably look up some of the stuff Ann Coulter has said. I'm pretty sure it was on Fox, but I might be wrong.

[LnGrrrR]

I will note here that I think censoring Fox is bs. Let the free market work. If people want biased stories, let them have them.

[Nbadan]

Wasn't Rev. Jeremiah Wright Barrys priest or something.

So, Palin's priest is a witch-doctor....but you didn't see that on FAUX News...

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you afraid of Yoni?We know why Yonivore afraid of black people.

[ChumpDumper]

i'm not afraid of my grandmother.So self-loathing it is.


I didn't know I was.You should read your own posts sometime.

[Winehole23]

:lol Everyone knows that the video was posted on the web by Breitbart.Yes, but hardly anyone blames him for the bs his outlet released to the world, least of all you.

[Ignignokt]

I will note here that I think censoring Fox is bs. Let the free market work. If people want biased stories, let them have them.

Well, i hope jornolist has proven that it's not only FNC that is ridiculously biased.

[Ignignokt]

We know why Yonivore afraid of black people.

Why are you afraid of black people?

[Ignignokt]

To be honest, I didn't see any news anchors listed, just journalists. Could you point them out?



that doesn't matter, you mentioned a cable news network, while we're talking about a print press.

And btw, Ann Coulter is not a fox journalist nor does she write hardnews. She's a political commentary pundit. That's not near the same.

It seems like you're trying to whitewash this whole thing.

[Winehole23]

In reality a liberal Listserv failed to quash the emerging story about Mr. Wright, though they talked about it. Big deal.

[Winehole23]

Hell this conversation right now more or less stands as proof the ties between Mr. Wright and BHO, have been anything but covered up.

[Ignignokt]

Hell this conversation right now more or less stands as proof the ties between Mr. Wright and BHO, have been anything but covered up.

weak. You trying to find a faux silver lining through all this is more or less a symptom of your denial. This was bad. Many columnist and journalist, aswell as academics participated in this. The fact that they wanted to narrate a whole news cycle to their agenda should waken you up and dispell the notion that news is organic and there is no agenda.

All this proved is that liberal bias does indeed exist, that it is active, and that it is not always succesful.

The reason it wasn't succesful is because the Rev Wright debacle was during a Democrat Primary, you had Hilary sympathizers wanting to take down Obama. They mentioned Charles Gibson, and George Stephonopolous (former Clintonite) as being the ones perpetrating the smear. This was a blue on blue war.

[Ignignokt]

The fact that most of the board liberals here minus Lngrrr are whitewashing this, is proof that board Liberals here are dishonest, decietful, and cheer at the notion of Government censorship.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The fact that most of the board liberals here minus Lngrrr are whitewashing this, is proof that board Liberals here are dishonest, decietful, and cheer at the notion of Government censorship.

whitewashing what? The story is being reported on now... If these handful of people did what they did then shame on them but I'm not going to indict the entire media complex like you sissies whine about..

if you dummies want to watch a new channel that shares the bias that you do then so be it..no need to take Fox off of the air..

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you afraid of black people?Isn't it obvious?

This Wright business proves they are out to get us!

All those millions of fraudulent ACORN votes too!

That guy with a baton who beat dozens of white voters too!

That woman who kills white farmers too!

[Ignignokt]

Isn't it obvious?

This Wright business proves they are out to get us!

All those millions of fraudulent ACORN votes too!

That guy with a baton who beat dozens of white voters too!

That woman who kills white farmers too!

No, that's stupid.

If black people start citing weak or strong cases of discrimination against them, that doesn't give me the intellectual right to psychologically evaluate them.

Also, you're generalizing, and unless you're proving Yoni generalizes all these things on an entire race, it's bullshit.

[boutons_deux]

whitewash?

This TRIVIAL connection, like "terrorist fist bumping", was amplified,hashed over, faux-outraged, etc, etc, during the campaign.

With Jerrod stuff, and Breitbart slinging his fake shit the day before MN signed the financial reform, just more Repug/conservative dirty tricks, which is their overwhelming specialty.

Whitewash? GMAFB

[Winehole23]

Double post.

[Winehole23]

weak. You trying to find a faux silver lining......what silver lining? That the evil cabal of liberal journos were helpless to prevent the outbreak of Rev. Wright stories? If as you say, HRC threw it up on the wall to discredit Obama, it's a straight up blue team fragging. Liberal journos would have been helpless to prevent the outbreak of the meme after Hilary introduced it into her campaign, right? :lol


through all this is more or less a symptom of your denial. This was bad. The intentions were bad. The execution was lacking. They didn't do shit. How that expresses denial on my part I'm at a loss to say. It's more like a description, really. The chatter in the clubhouse can be off-color, at times.




Many columnist and journalist, aswell as academics participated in this. The fact that they wanted to narrate a whole news cycle to their agenda should waken you up and dispell the notion that news is organic and there is no agenda. I never said that. Who did?


All this proved is that liberal bias does indeed exist, that it is active, and that it is not always succesful.I never denied that, but there are other biases too.



The reason it wasn't succesful is because the Rev Wright debacle was during a Democrat Primary, you had Hilary sympathizers wanting to take down Obama. They mentioned Charles Gibson, and George Stephonopolous (former Clintonite) as being the ones perpetrating the smear. This was a blue on blue war.Thanks for kicking your own ass, again. I consider it a public service.

[ChumpDumper]

No, that's stupid.It's the truth!

You know it!

That's why you care so much about Wright!

He's out to get all of us and so is Obama because he went to his church!

You aren't black so he's going to get you too!

[Ignignokt]

whitewashing what? The story is being reported on now....

can you give me links on which major non conservative publications or news orgs are reporting this as more than just a sidebar?

[Ignignokt]

It's the truth!

You know it!

That's why you care so much about Wright!

He's out to get all of us and so is Obama because he went to his church!

You aren't black so he's going to get you too!

You're an idiot if you can't percieve anything else outside of that. I thought Wright's sermons were important because it served as an ideological footprint that could have gave us a clue to Obama's beliefs, which is social justice marxism and contempt for America's current values.

I never for a second thought Obama was gonna come for me personally. Just that he was going to run an injust buearocracy predicated on the notion that justice will turn a blind eye on one group over another. And that he was going to promote egalitarian spread the wealth bullshit, which he has vindicated our notion of with his own words.

[ChumpDumper]

You're an idiot if you can't percieve anything else outside of that. I thought Wright's sermons were important because it served as an ideological footprint that could have gave us a clue to Obama's beliefs, which is social justice marxism and contempt for America's current values.Exactly!

They're out to get us!


I never for a second thought Obama was gonna come for me personally. Just that he was going to run an injust buearocracy predicated on the notion that justice will turn a blind eye on one group over another. And that he was going to promote egalitarian spread the wealth bullshit, which he has vindicated our notion of with his own words.So he's coming for you personally!

You're an idiot who can't even perceive his own perceptions.

[Ignignokt]

Exactly!

They're out to get us!

So he's coming for you personally!

You're an idiot who can't even perceive his own perceptions.

You're an idiot who tries to pshycoanalyze people's motives and never brings a legit argument.

You're making the illogical conclusion that since we disagree with Obama's policies or ideology that means Obama= black people, and his policies are the collective will of every single african american to go after non blacks. Those are your words, and no one is making those claims.

Only an idiot believes there is only one motive behind every act or belief.

[ChumpDumper]

You're an idiot who tries to pshycoanalyze people's motives and never brings a legit argument.Your argument: blacks are out to get us.


You're making the illogical conclusion that since we disagree with Obama's policies or ideology that means Obama= black people, and his policies are the collective will of every single african american to go after non blacks. Those are your words, and no one is making those claims.Judging from the whole of your collective pee-pants postings about blacks, these are precisely your claims.


Only an idiot believes there is only one motive behind every act or belief.Only an idiot would fail to see the pattern.

[Winehole23]

You're making the illogical conclusion that since we disagree with Obama's policies or ideology that means Obama= black people, and his policies are the collective will of every single african american to go after non blacks. Those are your words, and no one is making those claims. How'd he do that again?

[Winehole23]

Seems to me you're the only one who says that, or anything remotely like that.

[ChumpDumper]

How'd he do that again?Not every single African American.

Those guys got Sowell, after all.

[DarrinS]

It's the truth!

You know it!

That's why you care so much about Wright!

He's out to get all of us and so is Obama because he went to his church!

You aren't black so he's going to get you too!


People like you really miss the importance of Wright. He's not significant because he's "out to get us". He's significant because he's a rabid America-hating racist and Obama spent 20 years of his life listening to this man.

[Winehole23]

http://markhicksmusic.com/images/Trent%20Site%20farmer%20chewing%20on%20a%20straw.g if

[ChumpDumper]

People like you really miss the importance of Wright. He's not significant because he's "out to get us". He's significant because he's a rabid America-hating racist and Obama spent 20 years of his life listening to this man.Wright is out to get us and taught Obama to be out to get us!

They are both out to get us!

It's important!

[DarrinS]

http://markhicksmusic.com/images/trent%20site%20farmer%20chewing%20on%20a%20straw.g if

wtf?

[Ignignokt]

Wright is out to get us and taught Obama to be out to get us!

They are both out to get us!

It's important!

So what's your oppinion on Obama's connection Rev Wrigth?

[DarrinS]

Wright is out to get us and taught Obama to be out to get us!

They are both out to get us!

It's important!


You're stupid.

[Ignignokt]

http://markhicksmusic.com/images/Trent%20Site%20farmer%20chewing%20on%20a%20straw.g if

Mr Bean dressed up as a cowboy huh?

[Winehole23]

wtf?A fleeting attempt to lighten the mood. It doesn't seem to have worked.

[Ignignokt]

You're stupid.

No, he makes sense.

George Bush went to Yale, and he supports taxes.

Therefore if you're against tax cuts you believe George Bush and the Rich are out to get yer!!

Chumpdumper sense that is.

[ChumpDumper]

So what's your oppinion on Obama's connection Rev Wrigth?Obama hates white people like his mother and is out to get them. It makes perfect sense.

[Ignignokt]

Not every single African American.

Those guys got Sowell, after all.

So you're question then actually means,"Why are you afraid of a certain percentage of black people correct?", correct?

[Winehole23]

Mr Bean dressed up as a cowboy huh?Dunno. I can see that. Believe it or not, I captured it here:

(google image search)

[Ignignokt]

Obama hates white people like his mother and is out to get them. It makes perfect sense.

There's white people who hate white people, i don't know in which way your sarcasm aims.

Are those white people out to get other white people?

[ChumpDumper]

So you're question then actually means,"Why are you afraid of a certain percentage of black people correct?", correct?Most.


There's white people who hate white people, i don't know in which way your sarcasm aims.

Are those white people out to get other white people?So you do think Obama hates us and is out to get us.

Thanks for your admission. :tu

[Ignignokt]

Chumpdumper knows americans now oppose Obama.

Why does Chumpdumper fear americans?

He thinks Americans are out to get him and Obama.

He's just a moron who can't percieve his own perceptions.

[Ignignokt]

Most.

So you do think Obama hates us and is out to get us.

Thanks for your admission. :tu

You know that most black people believe like Obama?

So you think an open question means an admission.

Thanks for proving your stupidity. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdumper knows americans now oppose Obama.

Why does Chumpdumper fear americans?

He thinks Americans are out to get him and Obama.

He's just a moron who can't percieve his own perceptions.Nah, folks aren't out to get me. I'm not that important.


You know that most black people believe like Obama?Why wouldn't they? They are out to get us. You proved it!


So you think an open question means an admission.

Thanks for proving your stupidity. :tuIt's easy to tell where you are going.

Obama hates white people and is out to get them.

[Ignignokt]

Nah, folks aren't out to get me. I'm not that important.

Why wouldn't they? They are out to get us. You proved it!

It's easy to tell where you are going.

Obama hates white people and is out to get them.

You fear conservatives, you post about them everyday.

They're out to get you!

It's important!!

[Ignignokt]

It's easy where Chumpdumper is going.

He fears Fox News, they're out to get him!

it's important!!

[Ignignokt]

It's easy to see where Chumpdumper's going.

He fears a real job.

Real Jobs are out to get him!!!

It's important!!

[Winehole23]

Dp

[Winehole23]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_st-nYVIHAHw/R-xSaH7omDI/AAAAAAAAABU/y5f2A7TEKMY/s320/garg+water.bmp

[Winehole23]

http://www.kansastravel.org/06chapeloftheveterans0.jpg

[Winehole23]

http://files.myopera.com/yasarcan/blog/464541-Gargoyle-Fountain-0.jpg

[Winehole23]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kTHDe8Dzu_Q/SBozzeWUUnI/AAAAAAAAAcI/itisrOsSSCs/s400/bali.JPG

[Winehole23]

http://www.coool-stuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/gargoylegutterspout-freshome.jpg

[Winehole23]

ghttp://img.freebase.com/api/trans/image_thumb/wikipedia/images/commons_id/638641?errorid=%2Ffreebase%2Fno_image_png&maxheight=200&mode=fit&maxwidth=150

[DMX7]

You fear conservatives, you post about them everyday.

They're out to get you!

It's important!!


It's easy where Chumpdumper is going.

He fears Fox News, they're out to get him!

it's important!!


It's easy to see where Chumpdumper's going.

He fears a real job.

Real Jobs are out to get him!!!

It's important!!

I think Chumpdumper "got" you.

... or at least got to you. :lol

[Ignignokt]

I think Chumpdumper "got" you.

... or at least got to you. :lol

:lol, Chump appreciates your support.:tu

[Ignignokt]

http://www.coool-stuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/gargoylegutterspout-freshome.jpg

Winehole's fantasy.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Chumpdumper "got" you.

... or at least got to you. :lolNo shit.

That was easy.

[Winehole23]

Could be anybody's. It's a commercially produced artifact.

[Winehole23]

I thought it resembled the surge of brackish gutter water oft to be espied coming thru your "garden spout."

[Winehole23]

(The garden spout I figured might be good for a cheap laugh, and sure enough it was. I was personally more drawn to the balinese water spout, but that's my taste.)

[Ignignokt]

No shit.

After that big asskissing by DMX7, damn right there's no more shit left.

[ChumpDumper]

After that big asskissing by DMX7, damn right there's no more shit left.Damn, your gay fantasies just don't quit, do they? I'd tell you to come out of the closet, but you just did.

[Ignignokt]

Damn, your gay fantasies just don't quit, do they? I'd tell you to come out of the closet, but you just did.

:lmao:lmao

Gay jokes! OH noes!

The gays are after Chumpdumper!!

It's important!!

[DMX7]

:lmao:lmao

Gay jokes! OH noes!

The gays are after Chumpdumper!!

It's important!!

I think you've got post-traumatic stress disorder. It's ok. You've been through a lot.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao:lmao

Gay jokes! OH noes!

The gays are after Chumpdumper!!Looks like it's just one.

[Ignignokt]

Looks like it's just one.

Looks like you're the only one wishing people would join you.

[Ignignokt]

i think you've got post-traumatic stress disorder. It's ok. You've been through a lot.

lol utsa

[ChumpDumper]

Looks like you're the only one wishing people would join you.That's more fantasizing on your part.

[Ignignokt]

That's more fantasizing on your part.

I think it's quite clear your fantasizing about dudes here. You're the only one wondering about gay romance here.

[clambake]

i'm just glad you don't draw the pictures in your mind.

[ChumpDumper]

I think it's quite clear your fantasizing about dudes here.:lol What a weak attempt to reverse the whip.
You're the only one wondering about gay romance here.You're the one constantly creating graphic depictions of gay sex. There is no need to wonder about what you are thinking about.

[Winehole23]

i'm just glad you don't draw the pictures in your mind.I'm thankful Iggy doesn't post the pictures, but instead rests content with verbal descriptions.

[v2freak]

I will note here that I think censoring Fox is bs. Let the free market work. If people want biased stories, let them have them.

Lol. I agree that Fox is very republican, but this post shows your bias as well and implies that other news stations aren't biased in favor of the left. Then again you are from MA. When I lived there all I heard was bitching about Romney 24/7.

[Ignignokt]

:lol What a weak attempt to reverse the whip.You're the one constantly creating graphic depictions of gay sex. There is no need to wonder about what you are thinking about.

It's obviously important to you to find a gay partner. Don't deny it. It's okay, i won't judge you.

[ChumpDumper]

It's obviously important to you to find a gay partner. Don't deny it. It's okay, i won't judge you.It's obviously important to you to express your explicit gay fantasies about other male posters here. Don't deny it, It's okay, I won't judge you.

[Ignignokt]

no, It's obviously important to you to express your explicit gay fantasies about other male posters here. Don't deny it, It's okay, I won't judge you.

[ChumpDumper]

no, It's obviously important to you to express your explicit gay fantasies about other male posters here. Don't deny it, It's okay, I won't judge you.Nah, you do it far too often to try to pin in on someone else. Don't be ashamed and try to deny it after the fact.

Of course, you'll just keep talking about me, which pretty much proves the point as well. You just can't help yourself.

[Ignignokt]

no, It's obviously important to you to express your explicit gay fantasies about other male posters here. Don't deny it, It's okay, I won't judge you.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, you do it far too often to try to pin in on someone else. Don't be ashamed and try to deny it after the fact.

Of course, you'll just keep talking about me, which pretty much proves the point as well. You just can't help yourself.

[Ignignokt]

no, It's obviously important to you to express your explicit gay fantasies about other male posters here. Don't deny it, It's okay, I won't judge you.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, you do it far too often to try to pin in on someone else. Don't be ashamed and try to deny it after the fact.

Of course, you'll just keep talking about me, which pretty much proves the point as well. You just can't help yourself.

[jack sommerset]

Nah, you do it far too often to try to pin in on someone else. Don't be ashamed and try to deny it after the fact.

Of course, you'll just keep talking about me, which pretty much proves the point as well. You just can't help yourself.

Great post. Keep up the good work.

It's important to you.

[Ignignokt]

Again...no, It's obviously important to you to express your explicit gay fantasies about other male posters here. Don't deny it, It's okay, I won't judge you.

[ChumpDumper]

Again...nah, you do it far too often to try to pin in on someone else. Don't be ashamed and try to deny it after the fact.

Of course, you'll just keep talking about me, which pretty much proves the point as well. You just can't help yourself.

[DMX7]

They're coming for you. They're coming for all of you.

...and when they come, it's going to be bad, real bad.

[ChumpDumper]

They're coming for you. They're coming for all of you.

...and when they come, it's going to be bad, real bad.What exactly do those complaining about Wright think his influence on Obama is?

What Obama policies do they attribute directly to Wright's influence?

[jack sommerset]

What exactly do those complaining about Wright think his influence on Obama is?

What Obama policies do they attribute directly to Wright's influence?

DMX only knows "they" are coming for you. You think the samething but it's not true. Don't be scared. Maddows is messing with you guys. She wants ratings plus she is a dyke. Bad combo.

It shouldn't be important to you.

[DMX7]

DMX only knows "they" are coming for you. You think the samething but it's not true. Don't be scared. Maddows is messing with you guys. She wants ratings plus she is a dyke. Bad combo.

It shouldn't be important to you.

Jack, I can tell you're scared because you always bother to reply. But fishing for information isn't going to get you anywhere. They're coming for you and you can't stop them. They are unstoppable.

[jack sommerset]

Jack, I can tell you're scared because you always bother to reply. But fishing for information isn't going to get you anywhere. They're coming for you and you can't stop them. They are unstoppable.

Good post. Maddows would be proud.

It's important to you.

[ChumpDumper]

DMX only knows "they" are coming for you. You think the samething but it's not true. Don't be scared. Maddows is messing with you guys. She wants ratings plus she is a dyke. Bad combo.

It shouldn't be important to you.Please answer the questions.


What exactly do those complaining about Wright think his influence on Obama is?

What Obama policies do they attribute directly to Wright's influence?

[jack sommerset]

Please answer the questions.

Say pretty please.

[ChumpDumper]

Say pretty please.Just answer the question. This obviously troubles you quite a bit. Explain yourself.

[v2freak]

:lol ig and chump. Very amusing series of posts