UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen August 7, 2010 Fight Thread

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Main card

Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos
Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos

Preliminary card

Light Heavyweight bout: Thiago Silva vs. Tim Boetsch
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs. Rick Story
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Christian Morecraft
Welterweight bout: Johny Hendricks vs. Charlie Brenneman
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Dennis Hallman


Event Preview..

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We'll see if Silva actually comes to finish this time although he seems to be getting his dance moves together..

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[The TroutBum]

I'm digging this card, for sure. It's an easy one to call too -- I expect to go 5-0.

Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen -- Fuck Silva, I don't care if he's fighting Mr. Hanky the Christmas Pooh, I'll never pick him to win.
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves -- Too much wrestling, too much boredom, too much Jon Fitch.
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos -- Has Guida ever won a fight? He reminds me so much of Bonnar. Sure, he wins a few, but it seems like every fight I see him in he loses/burps.
Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida -- One of the very few vets who will go out on top. I just love Hughes and his game. He's one of the originals that got me into the sport, so I just can't pick against him.
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos -- JDS is solid, but Roy is just too much. I LOVE watching this fat lard dominate.

[dbreiden83080]

Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen -- Fuck Silva, I don't care if he's fighting Mr. Hanky the Christmas Pooh, I'll never pick him to win.
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves -- Too much wrestling, too much boredom, too much Jon Fitch.
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos -- Has Guida ever won a fight? He reminds me so much of Bonnar. Sure, he wins a few, but it seems like every fight I see him in he loses/burps.


Trout have i told you i think you're hilarious lately??

Because you are.. :lol

[CubanSucks]

2 things; first of all, why isn't the Fitch/Alves fight on the poster? Second, how in the hell is Thiago Silva on the prelim? I absolutely hate the guy but I was expecting a TSilva vs Rampage after Page lost to Shad. That could be a headliner IMO

[Stringer_Bell]

2 things; first of all, why isn't the Fitch/Alves fight on the poster? Second, how in the hell is Thiago Silva on the prelim? I absolutely hate the guy but I was expecting a TSilva vs Rampage after Page lost to Shad. That could be a headliner IMO

1) I don't think the fight was finalized until AFTER tickets went on sale. They needed the posters sooner and just bumped the Hughes bout lower and put Alves/Fitch as co-headliner.

2) Thiago vs Rampage is bad for both at this time IMO, but he's prolly on this card as a way to set him up for a co-headliner next time he fights.


Main card
Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen
- I think Silva will hurt Sonnen, like really. But I don't discount that a freak win could happen in Sonnen's favor if he smothers Silva on the ground long enough.
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
- Fitch is great, but Alves is a big boy with a chip on his shoulder. I'm lobbying for an Alves vs Sheilds match next.
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos
- This COULD be a real good fight, I'm going with Clay cuz Dos Anjos beat Etim (my WW rank-climbing prospect) and I haven't forgiven him yet.
Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
- Hughes's age will show and the Gracie's will prepare Almeida too good for him to get caught in anything off his back.
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos
- Probably fight of the night, and it's up first. REALLY fun fight to think about the possibilities for vicious finishes. I'm a fan of both guys, but I give the edge to Roy even though he has been the victim of a KO in the past.

The Prelims are pretty great too, surprised there's no TV for them.

[dbreiden83080]

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Sonnen is on pace to eat more crow than anyone who has ever fought anyone..


UFC 117 teleconference: SILVA ENRAGES EVERYONE INVOLVED

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[dallaskd]

Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen
Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos
Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos


LOL at the mma noobs. Silva will murder Sonnen

[DesignatedT]

Ehh. Not very excited about this card. Almeida will beat the shit out of Hughes though.

[dbreiden83080]

Main card

Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen
The only way Sonnen wins this fight is to GNP his way to a decision. If this was a 3 rounder maybe but not with it being a 5 round title fight. He was a little gassed at the end of the Marquadt fight when Nate finally got off and was doing some damage. Silva's JJ is too good to get put away by Sonnen and i think after 2 rounds of some TD's and control by Sonnen, Sonnen will slow a little and Silva will knock him out..

Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
I hope the layoff is not a big factor here. Alves has improved more since the first fight but Fitch is one tough SOB.. Alves TDD better be on point..

Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos
Guida grinds out another one..

Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Tough one to call, hopefully Hughes retires after this. If he is not interested in fighting the top WW's anymore than pack it in Matt..

Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos
JDS by KO round 1.. He's a beast...

[DesignatedT]

I want to see some Todd Duffee. When is this dude supposed to fight again. I think this guy will be a force for years to come in the heavyweight div.

[dallaskd]

Big Dog is more washed up than Hughes tbh..

[dbreiden83080]

I want to see some Todd Duffee. When is this dude supposed to fight again.

Fighting Jon Madsen at UFC 121 in Oct on the Brock/Cain card..

[DesignatedT]

Both Silvas will wreck this card.

[DesignatedT]

Fighting Jon Madsen at UFC 121 in Oct on the Brock/Cain card..

sweet. thx

[dbreiden83080]

sweet. thx

No Prob..

[dallaskd]

Fighting Jon Madsen at UFC 121 in Oct on the Brock/Cain card..

Either a Duffee KO or Madsen lays on him for 3 rounds..

[The TroutBum]

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Sonnen is on pace to eat more crow than anyone who has ever fought anyone..


Oh man, I could totally go ass to mouth with Sonnen. Please, for the love of everything holy, beat that fucking knob.

[Stringer_Bell]

Sonnen is making me wanna buy the fight, but I'm cheap and must save for UFC 118.

Also, it just occured to me, but maybe Fitch is a genius. His goal, as a "real" martial artist, is to neutralize his opponent in the most peaceful way possible. Think about it, then hit this blunt...:smokin

[dallaskd]

lmao Sonnen has been triangle choked more than any fighter I think ive ever seen. oh and armbarred. :lol @ the Filho fight. this same guy has lost to Jeremy fucking Horn 3 times. Shut up Chael. Silva is going to knock you the fuck out.

[CubanSucks]

lmao Sonnen has been triangle choked more than any fighter I think ive ever seen. oh and armbarred. :lol @ the Filho fight. this same guy has lost to Jeremy fucking Horn 3 times. Shut up Chael. Silva is going to knock you the fuck out.

...damnit...well you're gay!

[CubanSucks]

Sonnen is making me wanna buy the fight, but I'm cheap and must save for UFC 118.

Also, it just occured to me, but maybe Fitch is a genius. His goal, as a "real" martial artist, is to neutralize his opponent in the most peaceful way possible. Think about it, then hit this blunt...:smokin

How the hell can you skip out on an all U.S. vs Brazilian card?!?! This card was meant for me. But if Brazil wins across the board, then get ready to hear of a shooting rampage in East Texas

[dbreiden83080]

lmao Sonnen has been triangle choked more than any fighter I think ive ever seen. oh and armbarred. :lol @ the Filho fight. this same guy has lost to Jeremy fucking Horn 3 times. Shut up Chael. Silva is going to knock you the fuck out.

Silva is the heavy fav obviously but don't underestimate Sonnen either. He has never looked better than he has in his last few fights. Nate is a top 3-4 MW and Sonnen basically ran through him..

He's not just a mouth..

[dallaskd]

Silva is the heavy fav obviously but don't underestimate Sonnen either. He has never looked better than he has in his last few fights. Nate is a top 3-4 MW and Sonnen basically ran through him..

He's not just a mouth..


Maia destroyed Sonnen in about 2 minutes.. Sonnen's last 5 wins have been by decision.

:lol Silva will murder this guy.

[dallaskd]

I love Anderson.. after all this smack talk from Chael, all he says is "Who is Chael Sonnen?"

[dbreiden83080]

Maia destroyed Sonnen in about 2 minutes.. Sonnen's last 5 wins have been by decision.

:lol Silva will murder this guy.

He didn't destroy him he was caught in a submission which has been his problem throughout his career. Nate is twice the fighter Maia is and Sonnen walked through him. Silva is gonna win i am sure, i did pick him but i do think we are seeing the best Sonnen ever right now.. What he has that nobody else did when it comes to facing Silva is the TD threat. Hendo is a greco Roman guy, and he did get a TD and won round 1 of their fight.. Sonnen is all about the double leg. That's his one chance here.. Is it a big chance? No..

but a chance..

[polandprzem]

Main card

Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen

You kidding? A dancer vs wrestler. You pick a winner in a fighting contest. Easy pick.

Srsly: Anderson is on another level, but how fun is to hear Sonnen and, he can wear Silva down. He needs like 3 rounds. Against Maia Anderson was unable to do anything in the 4th and 5th. I don't know if Sonnen will try to stand up a bit with Silva or just goes for double leg early. he must to do it carefully cause he can get kneed.
Jeeeezz I want Anderson lose so much :)
I WILL RETIRE THIS GUY

:D FUN TA STIC


Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves

Fitch wants to make a big statment. There is no way he is not gonna get a title shot after he wins this. Still there is Shields vs Kampmann in contention

Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos

[I]Hate Guida


Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida

Almeida will smash a legend. Going division down was a good move for Ricardo.


Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos

JDS vs Velasquez for HW championship early 2011 !!1

[dbreiden83080]

Countdown show tonight at 11 ET on Spike..

[CubanSucks]

I'm so fucking sick of seeing and hearing Ed 'goofy sounding' Soares talking for Silva. Especially on the countdown show considering they can easily have Silva talking and just translate it. What's your fucking purpose for opening your mouth you lap dog bitch!?!?!?

[CubanSucks]

Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen (it pains me)
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves (my boy Fitch)
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos (wouldn't give a shit except it's U.S. vs Brazilian)
Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos (tough pick but...U.S. vs Brazilian)

[The TroutBum]

I'm so fucking sick of seeing and hearing Ed 'goofy sounding' Soares talking for Silva. Especially on the countdown show considering they can easily have Silva talking and just translate it. What's your fucking purpose for opening your mouth you lap dog bitch!?!?!?

I could have intercourse with your opinion.

[polandprzem]

That interview with sonnen on UFC live on VS was brilliant.

Chael actually says he is better and faster then Silva. :D


I love it.
The thing is that Anderson can be broken but only when he will have tough time. Then in his mind can appear a thinking "maybe that son of a biotch was right? "
That bit of a doubt could be crucial.
But only when Silva will have hard time or Sonnen will wear him down on the ground. Well that's actually the same

[Stringer_Bell]

The thing is that Anderson can be broken but only when he will have tough time. Then in his mind can appear a thinking "maybe that son of a biotch was right? "
That bit of a doubt could be crucial.
But only when Silva will have hard time or Sonnen will wear him down on the ground. Well that's actually the same

I don't think Silva will doubt himself, and on the ground Sonnen has been prone to being submitted. Everyone is banking on Sonnen's arms not being caught in something for his GnP to be effective. I think he can take some shorts and knees, but I dunno about his submission defense and that will ultimately be what I'm looking to see in the fight.

[Soul_Patch]

As much as i want Chael to break Silva in half, i dont think it is going to happen. I pick Silva to win, as much as i hate to do it. I really hope i am wrong here.

I think Alves is going to find a way to put Fitch out. Its hard to hate Fitch, but his fights are usually just so damn boring. I dont think Alves is going to let this fight go to a grind fest.

Roy Nelson v Junior...I don't know, everything tells me Dos Santos is just way too much of a fighter for Nelson. Nelson always surprises me though. I pick Dos Santos, but i wouldn't be surprised if Nelson takes the initial heat, and frustrates him into making a mistake. If Nelson can pull this off, i will laugh my ass off.

[8FOR!3]

Right now I've got it...

Anderson Silva (C) vs. Chael Sonnen
Jon Fitch vs. Tiago Alves
Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos
Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Junior dos Santos vs. Roy Nelson

First off, don't count Big Country Roy Nelson. He's a Renzo black belt and a former IFL Heavyweight Champion, that guy is game against everybody. Including Arlovski. They stood that fight up from I believe a crucifix from side mount? It was something ridiculous, but it's been too long for me to remember. Me being a fan of Matt Hughes has clouded my judgment for that fight, can tell how I actually feel. I think the other Dos Anjos might really give Clay Guida a run for his money, he tapped Terry Etim in his last fight and everybody was getting ready to crown Etim the future of 155, but also remember that Etim isn't some dominating wrestler like Guida. Should be an interesting fight. Fitch/Alves is easy to me, Fitch I think Fitch is CAPABLE of beating anybody at 170 not named GSP.

And then to the main event. I've drunk the Chael Sonnen Kool-Aid to be honest. :toast I really truly believe that he's got what it takes to beat Silva. Hendo is my favorite fighter, but I don't see Chael getting off the gameplan like Dan Henderson did, and when he's striking his shots aren't wide. Chael actually has very decent stand up, it's not bad at all. I'd honestly worry more about him getting submitted in Silva's guard than getting knocked out. And keep in mind, Dan Henderson's wrestling translates to MMA a little differently, both guys come from a Greco-Roman background, but Chael was also a Division I All-American at Oregon. He can shoot for takedowns and he can do it very very well. Yushin Okami is a strong strong wrestler, he proved that the other night against Munoz and he had NOTHING for Chael. Chael Sonnen is probably the best MMA wrestler in the UFC right now outside of GSP and Brock. And his credentials as an Olympic alternate outweigh Brock's. People who aren't giving him a chance though didn't watch the first round of Hendo/Anderson Silva.

[florige]

I don't really follow this as much as you guys, but I have caught a few of Silva's fights. We have a sportstalk station here in Baltimore that I catch at night while at work, and the concensus is that Silva is going to decimate this guy and there is no one at 185 who can come remotely close to beating him. Not sure how true that is though.

[ace3g]

I'm picking Sonnen, though I just don't know if anyone will ever beat Silva. Silva can be described in 3 words: Unorthodox, Fundamental, and Lethal.

[760Spursfan]

I just hope that Silva beats the shit out of this guy in the first round with his stand up and finishes it with Knees to the face!

[8FOR!3]

I'm picking Sonnen, though I just don't know if anyone will ever beat Silva. Silva can be described in 3 words: Unorthodox, Fundamental, and Lethal.

He's already been tapped twice. And he's lost 4 times. A decision in his first fight and he got DQ'ed against Yushin Okami. Tbh, he's got an aura about him. He's showed vulnerabilities against Dan Henderson and he almost got pounded out by Travis Lutter. He can be beaten.

[ace3g]

I know he has been beaten, but he is undefeated in the UFC

[dbreiden83080]

And then to the main event. I've drunk the Chael Sonnen Kool-Aid to be honest. :toast I really truly believe that he's got what it takes to beat Silva. Hendo is my favorite fighter, but I don't see Chael getting off the gameplan like Dan Henderson did, and when he's striking his shots aren't wide. Chael actually has very decent stand up, it's not bad at all. I'd honestly worry more about him getting submitted in Silva's guard than getting knocked out. And keep in mind, Dan Henderson's wrestling translates to MMA a little differently, both guys come from a Greco-Roman background, but Chael was also a Division I All-American at Oregon. He can shoot for takedowns and he can do it very very well. Yushin Okami is a strong strong wrestler, he proved that the other night against Munoz and he had NOTHING for Chael. Chael Sonnen is probably the best MMA wrestler in the UFC right now outside of GSP and Brock. And his credentials as an Olympic alternate outweigh Brock's. People who aren't giving him a chance though didn't watch the first round of Hendo/Anderson Silva.

Damn great stuff there.. :toast

[ace3g]

That is the only way you can beat Silva, you can't out strike him, you have to get close and attempt to take him down and try to get something done on the ground.

The thing is, it is so hard to time anything against Silva because of his stance. But if Sonnen is going to have any chance he has to get in range for the shoot and get the fight to the ground.

[dbreiden83080]

:lol:lol:lol


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[MannyIsGod]

:lmao Rat piss on cotton.

[MannyIsGod]

God I hope Chael fucking destroys him.

[CubanSucks]

Although Sonnen will be my favorite fighter in the world this Saturday, on Sunday I'm probably gonna hate the guy from then on out

[dallaskd]

:lol:lol:lol


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:lmao

[polandprzem]

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[cornbread]

A. Silva
Fitch
Almeida
Nelson
T. Silva

[polandprzem]

T.Silva not fighting

[cornbread]

ok- replacing my T. Silva pick with Saunders.

[dbreiden83080]

Sonnen has been entertaining but he really doesn't have much of a shot here. I think he'll get some things done early but in time will be put away..

[dallaskd]

I just don't see him controlling and smothering Silva. Dan did it as well as anyone, but even he was eventually submitted..

[dbreiden83080]

I just don't see him controlling and smothering Silva. Dan did it as well as anyone, but even he was eventually submitted..

I agree.. Silva was very calm at the press conference and kept staring Sonnen down even after Sonnen turned away. Silva didn't take him light he is ready for him. Sonnen wanted his attention he clearly got it.. This should be a good fight in terms of fire-works.. Thank GOD after Silva's crapfest with Maia..

I think Silva knocks him out round 2 or 3...

[Stringer_Bell]

Sonnen's apparently been dealing with a stomach bug and complaining about the interviews waking him up early on the west coast to air on the east coast. Hope he's not starting with the excuses. :(

If this ends in the first, it's Silva by knee on the takedown.

[polandprzem]

I'm at work and I only saw staredowns [no sound]


Amazing. Now I want Chael to make it happen even more. Still to come is weight-ins where you can see how guys can be intimidated by the other guy.

Anderson might be a fighter this time for what I saw.

[dbreiden83080]

Sonnen's apparently been dealing with a stomach bug and complaining about the interviews waking him up early on the west coast to air on the east coast. Hope he's not starting with the excuses. :(

If this ends in the first, it's Silva by knee on the takedown.

I don't pay attention to anything Sonnen says. HE is always acting.. If he is that sick, pull out of the fight.. Otherwise man up..

[dallaskd]

Sonnen is scared shitless

[dallaskd]

I love how in the press conference, Silva wears earrings, a pink shirt, and a crooked hat. Just what Sonnen was rippin on him for :lol

[Stringer_Bell]

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Going to a sports bar to see this, pumped. Silva looks pissed, hope Chael makes him regret that anger :rollin

[dbreiden83080]

I love how in the press conference, Silva wears earrings, a pink shirt, and a crooked hat. Just what Sonnen was rippin on him for :lol

I thought that was funny too..

[dbreiden83080]

Weigh in live 7 ET on UFC.com

Will Alves make the weight??

[polandprzem]

Umm I just can't wait.


I as so pissed before Silva fought Maia and I knew he will beat him down ...

Now it seems like it's gonna be allout war like Joe Rogan said

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[CubanSucks]

Umm I just can't wait.


I as so pissed before Silva fought Maia and I knew he will beat him down ...

Now it seems like it's gonna be allout war like Joe Rogan said

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Wow, great fuckin stuff. I'm getting more and more jittery. Could someone please post the video or give a link of the weigh ins as fast as possible when the time comes cause I always have problems with live feed shit.

BTW, I really hope Fitch keeps the beard. I always love it when he's got the facial hair and head hair...in a totally heterosexual way

[dbreiden83080]

Wow, great fuckin stuff. I'm getting more and more jittery. Could someone please post the video or give a link of the weigh ins as fast as possible when the time comes cause I always have problems with live feed shit.

BTW, I really hope Fitch keeps the beard. I always love it when he's got the facial hair and head hair...in a totally heterosexual way

It's live at UFC.com now

later they will post the replay

Just keep checking back..

[dbreiden83080]

Alves 171.5 missed the weight..

He is gonna have to lose the .5 tonight and weigh in again..

This guy needs to go to 185 already..

[Stringer_Bell]

Silva was really showing his "respect" for Chael :p

He's awesome in the cage, but I think he's shown himself to be a dick and I can't understand why so many people were cheering for him.

[polandprzem]

Alves 171.5 missed the weight..

He is gonna have to lose the .5 tonight and weigh in again..

This guy needs to go to 185 already..

His reach will be the problem in 185.
He needs to lose some weight esp. some muscles and it's possible



Yea - how I hate Silva - he could not look in the eyes of sonnen

Chaels said what he was suppose to say and left. So much hate for Sonnen?
strange because silva gave us few really one of the most awefull fights in history.

Jeez hopefully sonnen will put him on his back and swing a hammer :)

[dbreiden83080]

Alves missed weight on 2nd try will fight at that weight and lose 20% of his purse..

[dbreiden83080]

His reach will be the problem in 185.
He needs to lose some weight esp. some muscles and it's possible


He better change something..

I'm thinking about changing my pick to Fitch here

[CubanSucks]

Just watched it on Sherdog and first off, fuck that crowd. What was with the boos for Sonnen and Cheers for Silva? I honestly was expecting the exact opposite. And then here comes little bitch lap dog Ed Soares.

http://baddminton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jafar_parrot.jpg

This is what they remind me of, and I'm sure you can guess who's who in that pic

[dbreiden83080]

Just watched it on Sherdog and first off, fuck that crowd. What was with the boos for Sonnen and Cheers for Silva? I honestly was expecting the exact opposite. And then here comes little bitch lap dog Ed Soares.

http://baddminton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jafar_parrot.jpg

This is what they remind me of, and I'm sure you can guess who's who in that pic

:lol

Awesome Cuban... :toast

[dbreiden83080]

Welterweight fighter Thiago Alves' worries about making his cut turned out be justified.

Alves was the one athlete who failed to make weight today at the Ultimate Fighting Championship's official weigh-ins for UFC 117 in Oakland. Alves could not get lower than 171.5 pounds in two tries for his upcoming fight with Jon Fitch. Alves will be fined 20% of his purse.

Full results for the UFC 117 weigh-ins:

•Middleweight championship (185-pound maximum): Anderson Silva (184.5 pounds) vs. Chael Sonnen (185 pounds)
•Welterweight (170-pound maximum): Thiago Alves (171.5) vs. Jon Fitch (170.5)
•Welterweight: Ricardo Almeida (170.5) vs. Matt Hughes (170.5)
•Heavyweight (265-pound maximum): Junior Dos Santos (240) vs. Roy Nelson (263)
•Lightweight (155-pound maximum): Rafael Dos Anjos (156) vs. Clay Guida (156)
•Welterweight: Rick Story (169.5) vs. Dustin Hazelett (169.5)
•Light heavyweight (205-pound maximum): Phil Davis (205.5) vs. Rodney Wallace (206)
•Welterweight: Johny Hendricks (171) vs. Charlie Brenneman (171)
•Light heavyweight: Tim Boetsch (206) vs. Todd Brown (206)
•Heavyweight: Stefan Struve (247) vs. Christian Morecraft (263)
•Welterweight: Dennis Hallman (171) vs. Ben Saunders (171)
Concerns about weight caused Alves to skip an open workout for the public on Wednesday, as the fighter reportedly weighed 177 pounds at that point. But he insisted that the weight cut was going well.

Weight issues have plagued him occasionally. Alves came in four pounds overweight for his June 2008 bout with Matt Hughes at UFC 85 in England. He rarely hits the 170-pound mark -- he usually comes in at 171, just low enough to make the one-pound allowance that fighters typically give each other.

Alves has said he suffered an ankle injury shortly before the Hughes bout that prevented him from doing cardio work that would have let him shed weight. This time, Alves is coming off a layoff of more than a year.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2010/08/thiago-alves-misses-ufc-117-weight-cut/1

[desflood]

Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael Dos Anjos
Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior Dos Santos

[G-Dawgg]

I like this card, Alves vs Fitch, Nelson vs Dos Santos are the fights that I'm excited about!

Alves Is a devastating striker with earthshattering leg kicks but Fitch is a well rounded well tested veteran. I'd like to see the striker win, but if Alves hasn't improved his take-down defense (his timing on his sprawl), I think Fitch will make it a long night for him ala GSP. Also How well Alves has recovered from his brain surgery may play a factor.

Roy Nelson is a very well rounded heavy weight with a good wrestling background and knockout power who really knows how to smother opponents underneath him with his big gut.. Dos Santos though is a very quick mobile heavy weight and is a flash knock-out threat with both hands.. I think Nelson is going to have to make this fight a wrestling match because although Big Country can throw some bombs on the feet, Dos Santos' hands are second only to Shane Carwin in the heavy weight devision imo.

[polandprzem]

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How interesting.
He thought that Nate was fast?

Trouble

[polandprzem]

HJave you seen an open workout?

JDS has some kind of turbo in his hands

[dbreiden83080]

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How interesting.
He thought that Nate was fast?

Trouble

Nate is fast..

[4>0rings]

Not reading the whole thread but Sonnen was on Rome the other day and he was accused of saying Lance gave himself cancer because he doped. Sonnen refuted it and Rome played the interview of Sonnen saying that... sounded exactly like Sonnen but he denied it saying it was a fraud with a hispanic accent :lol . Rome was basically laughing saying it was Sonnen during the interview.


That's probably why they are booing him.

[tlongII]

Gotta root for my homeboy Sonnen. Hopefully he can pull this off.

[dbreiden83080]

Well he's sure been fun... :lol


Yviwm27c2HU

[tlongII]

I'll tell you one thing. Sonnen is damn good. This won't be a cakewalk for Silva.

[polandprzem]

Nate is fast..

Comparing to Silva?

[dbreiden83080]

Comparing to Silva?

Not sure he is that much faster than Nate. He''s more technical and a way better striker..

But we'll see.. I'm picking Silva but pulling for Sonnen here..

On another note i am going back and forth about Fitch and Alves, wondering about how bad that weight cut was for Alves but i am gonna stick with Alves thinking about his TDD and striking

Close close fight though..

[ace3g]

k, if you guys didn't have respect for Nelson before, you should now after this fight, he won't win the fight but he can take a ton of punches and still push forward

[BlackSwordsMan]

why is nelson so fat?

[ace3g]

He uses that to his adv when he does that crucifix and starts landing those punches on your head

[dbreiden83080]

Roy is one tough SOB taking that beating.. JDS pretty good win..

Hughes where the hell did that come from?

[dallaskd]

I said Hughes would win. Still a good fighter. Ricardo is more washed up than Matt is.


Fitch :sleep

[ace3g]

main event time!!!

[MannyIsGod]

One time. ONE TIME. Com'on dealer deal out the Ace of Spades for Sonnen. ONE TIME!

[ace3g]

wooo

[ace3g]

GnP

[ace3g]

now this is where it will get interesting to start the 2nd, Sonnen can't be too confident

[dallaskd]

awful round 1 for silva

[ace3g]

palm slaps and then some chest slams, lol

[Kermit]

palm slaps and then some chest slams, lol

silva looks like he's playing possum.

[dallaskd]

who is gassing more?

[Kermit]

who is gassing more?

White dude.

[MannyIsGod]

I am throughly enjoying this. God please let this continue.

[Kermit]

I am throughly enjoying this. God please let this continue.

I have the heart palpatations. That's how you know it's a good one.

[ace3g]

Sonnen has to stay tight to the body of Silva at the end of those rounds, so Silva can't get any type of triangle with those long legs

[dallaskd]

Round 4 will tell the story..

[MannyIsGod]

Yes YES YES - Pound the bitch - Punish the bitch.

[dallaskd]

Remember Sonnen has been a victim to alot of triangles in these types of fights.

[ace3g]

what a reverse by Sonnen

[Kermit]

Fuck.

[dallaskd]

And the real champ rises..

[MannyIsGod]

Reversal. Yesssssssssssssssssssss

[Kermit]

Dude. I fucking hate this Silva guy.

[Kermit]

Whoever wins this fight fucking earned it. Damn.

[dallaskd]

Well he's doing everything he wanted to.

[MannyIsGod]

Damn, Chael looked like Rocky out there. Was lucky to survive that but then came back to win the fucking round.

God damn this is awesome.

[MannyIsGod]

Would be heartbreaking to lose this now.

[Kermit]

Stay alive brother.

[ace3g]

stay high and tight, and you have this Sonnen!!!

[Kermit]

Fuck yes baby.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL Joe Rogan giggling like a school girl!

[ace3g]

high and tight!!!!

[EduRiker]

Usain Bolt and Anderson Silva beaten in the same week. :king

[ace3g]

high and tight sonnen, too low

[ace3g]

god damn it

[ace3g]

damn it

[ace3g]

woo Silva let go

[dallaskd]

Lance Armstrong ftw.

[EduRiker]

Holy Shit

[Kermit]

You know this guy is going to be insufferable if he wins.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh wtf

[dallaskd]

Fuck yeah!!!!


He tapped!!! He pulled that bullshit vs filho!!! I cant believe sonnen is doing this again!!

[ace3g]

high and tight, and does anyone listen to me , no

[Kermit]

Fuck.

[MannyIsGod]

Fuck

[dallaskd]

Guys, Sonnen tried to play the "i didnt tap" card when Filho arm barred him in the WEC, This is not the first time he has tried to do this.

[MannyIsGod]

less than 2 minutes to go. Man. Fuck.

[EduRiker]

Are you kidding me, anderson silva

[ace3g]

high and tight Sonnen, why didn't you listen to me, and now look Silva ego went back down to earth, thank god!!!!

[4>0rings]

So did he tap or not?

[MannyIsGod]

He clearly tapped. It was a bitch move to try to play that card. Sonnen was 2 minutes from being my favorite fighter and now I've lost quite a bit of respect for him.

Thats a bitch angle shoot and its fucked up since he fought so well for four and a half rounds. Bitch move.

[dallaskd]

Remember Sonnen has been a victim to alot of triangles in these types of fights.

God damn, Im smart.

[ace3g]

now Silva throws the rib card out there

[dallaskd]

He clearly tapped. It was a bitch move to try to play that card. Sonnen was 2 minutes from being my favorite fighter and now I've lost quite a bit of respect for him.

Thats a bitch angle shoot and its fucked up since he fought so well for four and a half rounds. Bitch move.

Watch Sonnen vs Filho I. Chael did the exact same thing in a fight he was winning and he got arm barred from the top position. Played the "I didnt tap" card.

And here come Silva with the rib excuses...

[MannyIsGod]

Oh fuck you Silva. Fuck you and your bullshit too.

Man, I fucking hate Silva.

My ribs, fuck you.

[MannyIsGod]

Fuck, four and a half rounds man. Why Chael. WHY.

[EmptyMan]

:depressed

[dallaskd]

lmao Sonnen has been triangle choked more than any fighter I think ive ever seen.

Yep.

[dbreiden83080]

WOW!!!

Uh i am speechless right now. That is probably the craziest shit i have ever seen in the UFC. Chael was in total and complete control all night long until the last 90 seconds. The one thing that has been his biggest problem his whole career came back to bite him in the biggest moment of his career..

Sub Defense. He should get an automatic rematch. There is nobody else worth fighting for Silva at 185, the hell with Vitor make the Sonnen rematch right away. I am just WOW, that was insane..

[dbreiden83080]

Yep.

You're not gonna brag dude.. Your boy was getting his ass handed to him for 22 min of the 23 it lasted..

Silva looked like shit out there..

[polandprzem]

Guys, Sonnen tried to play the "i didnt tap" card when Filho arm barred him in the WEC, This is not the first time he has tried to do this.


shut up

Champion Silva?

Fuck it

all rounds he lost at least 8-10

wtf 2 minutes and Sonnen would be champ


and cbacjed up all words

one sided pounding with hammer in his hands

[polandprzem]

WOW!!!

Uh i am speechless right now. That is probably the craziest shit i have ever seen in the UFC. Chael was in total and complete control all night long until the last 90 seconds. The one thing that has been his biggest problem his whole career came back to bite him in the biggest moment of his career..

Sub Defense. He should get an automatic rematch. There is nobody else worth fighting for Silva at 185, the hell with Vitor make the Sonnen rematch right away. I am just WOW, that was insane..


Vitor would exploit weakneses in Silvas standing defense

Sonnen was sucessfull; Belford is way better

[dallaskd]

You're not gonna brag dude.. Your boy was getting his ass handed to him for 22 min of the 23 it lasted..

Silva looked like shit out there..

He won the fight, fair and square.

[Kermit]

That was the equivalent of fucking the hottest girl in school and then before climaxing having her father come in the room and kick your ass with a shovel.

[EduRiker]

Usain Bolt and Anderson Silva beaten in the same week. :king

:rolleyes

[dbreiden83080]

Total change of opinion for me too here

GSP beats Silva hell fuckin yes he does...

Chael might win the rematcn for god's sake.. That is sad that he lost after fighting that great. Silva got nothing done all night until the end. Chael even outstruck him in most exchanges..

[Kermit]

He won the fight, fair and square.

Wait, you like that cocksucker?

[dbreiden83080]

He won the fight, fair and square.

That he did. Looking like shit for most of it..

[dbreiden83080]

That was the equivalent of fucking the hottest girl in school and then before climaxing having her father come in the room and kick your ass with a shovel.

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

It doesn't even matter that he was winning for that amount of time because he was fucking stupid in the end.

Sonnen was just dumb. He should have pulled a Brock and just kept his body close and pounded the shit out of Anderson with no room for error. I understand wanting to keep fighting hard but don't throw away your championship stupidly for no reason. Its not like he was going to knock Silva out there.

[4>0rings]

lol Silva won after all that shit Sonnen was talkin.

[angelbelow]

dude ive never seen a come back of this magnitude. i hate sonnen for his trash talking but i feel for him, he wasnt just winning... he was dominating. wow... im speechless.

[dbreiden83080]

It doesn't even matter that he was winning for that amount of time because he was fucking stupid in the end.

Sonnen was just dumb. He should have pulled a Brock and just kept his body close and pounded the shit out of Anderson with no room for error. I understand wanting to keep fighting hard but don't throw away your championship stupidly for no reason. Its not like he was going to knock Silva out there.

He's been caught in stupid shit his whole career in fights he was winning. As soon as Silva threw his legs up and locked it in i knew it was done.. I never relaxed when Chael was on top because of Silva's good guard and Chaels bad sub defense..

It fucked him yet again..

[dallaskd]

Chael might win the rematcn for god's sake.. That is sad that he lost after fighting that great. Silva got nothing done all night until the end. Chael even outstruck him in most exchanges..

Some of the exchanges. Anderson still won the majority of them. He was rocked once and recovered nicely. That was a slip in the 4th. Silva was never hurt on the feet. Anderson wins that rematch on the feet if he can work on the takedown defense. Sonnen needs to work on his sub defense.. again.

Ive been watching this guy for so long and its the same thing everytime.

[ace3g]

and he did that the entire fight till the last second I don't know why he decided to go for the GnP when he clearly had the fight won, just ride out the last couple of seconds .

c0DLJOMMdjA

sums up the fight

[dbreiden83080]

dude ive never seen a come back of this magnitude. i hate sonnen for his trash talking but i feel for him, he wasnt just winning... he was dominating. wow... im speechless.

I feel terrible for the guy.. This was the biggest fight of his career and he did everything he said he was gonna do for like 22 min until he got caught


Sucks so bad..

[MannyIsGod]

I really thought it was over when Silva went down. I was really scared at the start of the fourth because I was pretty sure Chael was about to be KNTFO but once Silva went down in the fifth I expected Chael to basically do enough to keep from being stood up and collect his belt.

Fuck he should have pulled a Silva and just run away the entire round.

[Stringer_Bell]

Silva got dominated, I can't see how his performance was any better than his last fight. Chael took his beating like a man and still found a way to impose his will until the last 2 minutes. He said it wouldn't be a war, and it wasn't. He talked a lot of shit, but he backed it up.

[dbreiden83080]

Some of the exchanges. Anderson still won the majority of them. He was rocked once and recovered nicely. That was a slip in the 4th. Silva was never hurt on the feet. Anderson wins that rematch on the feet if he can work on the takedown defense. Sonnen needs to work on his sub defense.. again.

Ive been watching this guy for so long and its the same thing everytime.

Anderson is 35 years old his TDD is as good as it's gonna get..

Make the GSP fight Dana.. He wins i am sure of it now.. You think GSP gets caught in a sloppy late 5th round triangle?

No way.. Sonnen/Silva 2 or GSP Silva after the Kos fight..

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think he ever hurt Silva in exhanges TBH. Silva would get frustrated at times and start to fight back but he never really looked hurt. In the first Silva was a total bitch as always and even held his hands down as if to say that Sonnen's shots were weak. Of course Chael took his ass to the mat at that point.

But even in the end, look at their faces. Sonnen looks like he was losing the entire fight.

[MannyIsGod]

Sonnen deserves a rematch. You don't go five rounds like that and not get one. That would be fucking wrong.

That being said maybe this time he can avoid pulling his fake tap bitch move.

[dbreiden83080]

This is like the kind of thing that could only happen to Sonnen. As shocked as i am i really shouldn't since it has happened to him before. 2:30 from the title and he gets caught

Come on.......

[dbreiden83080]

Sonnen deserves a rematch. You don't go five rounds like that and not get one. That would be fucking wrong.

That being said maybe this time he can avoid pulling his fake tap bitch move.

He'll get a rematch or they'll do the GSP fight.. Dana should do GSP and Silva or Chael and Silva 2. GSP i guarantee you is now chomping at the bit to fight this guy. He can't stop Sonnens shot, he won't be able to stop GSP's

And GSP has great JJ..

[MannyIsGod]

Its just dumb. Really fucking dumb.

BTW the Stephan Struve fight was good. Aleves looked like shit. Haven't watched the other fights yet though. Hoping Dos Santos made me proud but I guess I'll find out later.

BTW, the torrent site I get my UFC shit from has "Ultimate Comebacks" as the latest torrent uploaded earlier today. How fucking prophetic.

[dallaskd]

Anderson is 35 years old his TDD is as good as it's gonna get..

Make the GSP fight Dana.. He wins i am sure of it now.. You think GSP gets caught in a sloppy late 5th round triangle?

No way.. Sonnen/Silva 2 or GSP Silva after the Kos fight..

I agree. Silva has peaked and now is on the decline.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, Dana hates Silva so he could go either way. LOL Dana probably hates Sonnen now too. Jesus so stupid.

[angelbelow]

I don't think he ever hurt Silva in exhanges TBH. Silva would get frustrated at times and start to fight back but he never really looked hurt. In the first Silva was a total bitch as always and even held his hands down as if to say that Sonnen's shots were weak. Of course Chael took his ass to the mat at that point.

But even in the end, look at their faces. Sonnen looks like he was losing the entire fight.

lol we were laughing about that.. silva doesnt look like he just took the damage that was dealt to him..

[dbreiden83080]

And that right there proves why MMA is so much more exciting than Boxing..

anything can happen at any moment because of the diversity of the sport..

[Stringer_Bell]

I really thought it was over when Silva went down. I was really scared at the start of the fourth because I was pretty sure Chael was about to be KNTFO but once Silva went down in the fifth I expected Chael to basically do enough to keep from being stood up and collect his belt.

Fuck he should have pulled a Silva and just run away the entire round.

Good call. But that's not something built into Sonnen...as much as he likes to punch people on the ground he also likes giving up submissions. FUCK!!!

[dallaskd]

He'll get a rematch or they'll do the GSP fight.. Dana should do GSP and Silva or Chael and Silva 2. GSP i guarantee you is now chomping at the bit to fight this guy. He can't stop Sonnens shot, he won't be able to stop GSP's

And GSP has great JJ..

Sonnen is 4 inches taller and a much bigger man than GSP. I want to see Silva vs Vitor and GSP vs Kos before i decide. When is Fitch's rematch vs St. Pierre now?

[ace3g]

I wonder what Dana was saying to Silva when he was handing him the belt after the fight

[dbreiden83080]

Funny thing is i would have to pick Silva in the rematch.. Sonnen just gets caught in dumb ass shit..

[EmptyMan]

lmao @ that video

I'm not into laying on the ground under another dude with my legs spread, I'm a Republican...we don't do that.


Epic Sonnen Line.

[dbreiden83080]

Sonnen is 4 inches taller and a much bigger man than GSP. I want to see Silva vs Vitor and GSP vs Kos before i decide. When is Fitch's rematch vs St. Pierre now?

He is about 3 inches taller but GSP has a 76 inch reach. He is also a better athlete than Chael with way better submissions..

[dbreiden83080]

When is Fitch's rematch vs St. Pierre now?

Probably never

who the fuck wants to see that one sided beating again??

[Stringer_Bell]

Sonnen is 4 inches taller and a much bigger man than GSP. I want to see Silva vs Vitor and GSP vs Kos before i decide. When is Fitch's rematch vs St. Pierre now?

Vitor vs Silva is not appealing to me, despite his age Silva can still strike and unless Vitor has Big Country's chin there's no way it gets into Championship Rounds because Vitor will stand and bang. I'll sig bet anyone that thinks Vitor will win if he fights Silva next, Silva wins handily despite this performance.

[dbreiden83080]

Vitor vs Silva is not appealing to me, despite his age Silva can still strike and unless Vitor has Big Country's chin there's no way it gets into Championship Rounds because Vitor will stand and bang. I'll sig bet anyone that thinks Vitor will win if he fights Silva next, Silva wins handily despite this performance.

I agree Vitor loses..

And What has Vitor done to deserve a crack at the belt. He beat Rich and then got hurt and had a huge layoff.. So what?

Sonnen should get another immediate crack here.. I'd love to see the GSP fight but he is busy with TUF..

[ace3g]

This is the type of fight I wanted from Silva either a tough 5 rounder win or loss, either way his ego has come back to earth.

I've always respected as him as a fighter, and it seemed right when I got really interested in MMA he started all this dance and dash stuff in the ring.

This is what I hope doesn't happen to Jon "Bones" Jones, I like fighters with those unorthodox styles but who are still technically sound

[dbreiden83080]

Dana supposedly said rematch at the presser..

[dallaskd]

This is the type of fight I wanted from Silva either a tough 5 rounder win or loss, either way his ego has come back to earth.

I've always respected as him as a fighter, and it seemed right when I got really interested in MMA he started all this dance and dash stuff in the ring.

This is what I hope doesn't happen to Jon "Bones" Jones, I like fighters with those unorthodox styles but who are still technically sound

Difference between Jones and Silva..

Jones is a far better wrestler than Anderson and doesnt get taken down, although.. no way Jones finishes the fight like that because his JJ game isnt near Silvas.

[dbreiden83080]

70 people viewing the forum

Popular night of fights..

[dallaskd]

Dana supposedly said rematch at the presser..

where is the live presser at?

[Stringer_Bell]

This is what I hope doesn't happen to Jon "Bones" Jones, I like fighters with those unorthodox styles but who are still technically sound

Bones is in good hands, I don't think we have to worry about him pulling any bullshit. Plus, his division has better figthers. It's taken 11 matches for Silva to be dominated, so he probably acted up because he got cocky and didn't think anyone out there could touch him. And now, he's been touched. :p:

[Stringer_Bell]

Dana's putting Alves at MW, damn weight cuts....

[tlongII]

Silva would beat the shit out of GSP. Sonnen has the perfect style to beat him. It's just too bad he got caught. I think he can take him in a rematch.

[dallaskd]

Ive been a Sonnen hater for about 5 years now and tonight I almost gained respect for him. I just still cant believe he tried to pull the "I didnt tap card". Hate Silva all you want.. but thats a pure bitch move and this isnt the first time..

[dbreiden83080]

Dana's putting Alves at MW, damn weight cuts....

You knew Alves was losing as he walked to the ring.. Not only was his body language bad but his corner was looking all depressed. He had nothing for that fight.. I should have gone with my impression to change my pick because of the weight cut..

[dbreiden83080]

Ive been a Sonnen hater for about 5 years now and tonight I almost gained respect for him. I just still cant believe he tried to pull the "I didnt tap card". Hate Silva all you want.. but thats a pure bitch move and this isnt the first time..

HE said he lost at the post fight

So he accepted it..

[MannyIsGod]

Alves looked HORRIBLE. I mean dude looked like he was sick as shit or something.

[dbreiden83080]

Silva would beat the shit out of GSP. Sonnen has the perfect style to beat him

You've never watched GSP fight if you think this..

Are you kidding me??? GSP has the best wrestling in the sport , is the best athlete and has great subs..

[MannyIsGod]

HE said he lost at the post fight

So he accepted it..

Yeah but still. Thats a pure bitch move to pull. We're lucky the ref got it right. Can you imagine if Sonnen gets away with that shit?

[ace3g]

As much as that is a bitch move, I've seen other fighters do the same thing on tap outs and when refs think a guy is out and he may or may not be out; Silva on the other hand just won a great come back fight in the 5th round and pulls the rib card.

Both guys made some bad decisions

[dbreiden83080]

Alves looked HORRIBLE. I mean dude looked like he was sick as shit or something.

He cut like 35 pounds..

Enough is enough Silva..

[Stringer_Bell]

Ive been a Sonnen hater for about 5 years now and tonight I almost gained respect for him. I just still cant believe he tried to pull the "I didnt tap card". Hate Silva all you want.. but thats a pure bitch move and this isnt the first time..

Big deal, he took it like a man when the decision was announced. I'd rather support a guy like Sonnen that will engage his opponent for 5 rounds than quit on the fight AND the audience midway through the match so he can dance and yell.

[dallaskd]

HE said he lost at the post fight

So he accepted it..

His first immediate reaction was, "maybe I can play this off"

Respect level is back to zero for Chael.

[dbreiden83080]

Big deal, he took it like a man when the decision was announced. I'd rather support a guy like Sonnen that will engage his opponent for 5 rounds than quit on the fight AND the audience midway through the match so he can dance and yell.

Totally agree. Silva is still a jerk. If he had another JJ guy in there tonight he would have played around again for 10 min or more..

[dallaskd]

He cut like 35 pounds..

Enough is enough Silva..

You mean Alves? He is too short to fight at MW. He will get destroyed by reach. Unless he plans on being a catch weight champ, Alves is in a really bad spot.

[dallaskd]

Totally agree. Silva is still a jerk. If he had another JJ guy in there tonight he would have played around again for 10 min or more..

How is Silva a jerk? He talked NO trash. Took care of business and was respectful. Youre talking about Chael Sonnen. His mouth has made him a joke for years. Silva is a good guy. IMO he wants to fight a guy like Sonnen and when he gets a flop like Maia, it makes him angry so he mocks them.

[dbreiden83080]

How is Silva a jerk? He talked NO trash. Took care of business and was respectful. Youre talking about Chael Sonnen. His mouth has made him a joke for years. Silva is a good guy. IMO he wants to fight a guy like Sonnen and when he gets a flop like Maia, it makes him angry so he mocks them.

I explained to you why i think Silva is a jerk in great detail after the Maia fight..

You know why i think he is..

[8FOR!3]

His first immediate reaction was, "maybe I can play this off"

Respect level is back to zero for Chael.

It looked like that, but he was sincere. It's hard to explain, but when you're training, you get caught in a sub, you tap, you keep going. That becomes natural. You fight like you train. In the fight, he got caught in a triangle, naturally tapped, but definitely did not intend to. I really wouldn't even be surprised if he wasn't mentally conscience about tapping. I did a shit job of explaining that, but there is something I'm trying to say.

And he backed up every word he said. Deserves an immediate rematch. Didn't lose to the better man, but he did lose. And he accepted that. Although, the guy who 'won' did such a shit job he had to make excuses after the fight.

[dbreiden83080]

You mean Alves? He is too short to fight at MW. He will get destroyed by reach. Unless he plans on being a catch weight champ, Alves is in a really bad spot.

He needs to lose weight as in muscle mass or go to MW..

Forget success at MW the guy is likely ruining his health with this extreme weight cutting.. He looked like a zombie out there

[Stringer_Bell]

He needs to lose weight as in muscle mass or go to MW..

Forget success at MW the guy is likely ruining his health with this extreme weight cutting.. He looked like a zombie out there

Rogan made a comment to the effect of "THere's no reason for a guy to have pectoral muscles like that" and it's probably true. He's got so much muscle on him and it's no use to him when the weight cutting is draining all his strength anyway.

[dallaskd]

It looked like that, but he was sincere. It's hard to explain, but when you're training, you get caught in a sub, you tap, you keep going. That becomes natural. You fight like you train. In the fight, he got caught in a triangle, naturally tapped, but definitely did not intend to. I really wouldn't even be surprised if he wasn't mentally conscience about tapping. I did a shit job of explaining that, but there is something I'm trying to say.



Dude this isnt the first time he has tried to play that card..

[CubanSucks]

I'm too damn drunk to have reasonable thought and there was way too many posts during the fight. I don't see how yall do it. I'm too damn nervous to even sit down during a fight. I'll actually be posting about the fight tomorrow. All I gotta say is, I haven't been this upset since Derek Fischers .04 sec shot. That's still #1 btw and it'll never be beaten

[dbreiden83080]

I ordered the PPV and just enjoyed it and posted afterwards.. This was the craziest night i can remember. Sonnen must feel cursed. To lose that way and have his biggest foe (sub defense) bite him in the ass 2 min away from the greatest win of his career..

Shit... :depressed

[CubanSucks]

I just can't stop watching this forum. Everything's been said and I'm still depressed. Just gotta think back to 5 hours ago when I thought Silva was gonna KO Sonnen in the 1st or 2nd. Still, my boy Fitch won in typical boring domination! :toast That's about the time I lost my voice screaming. The legend wins by a crazy submission! :toast And Guida...I still don't know what the fuck finished that fight. And Big Country..he's a fuckin trooper

U.S.-3
Brazil-2

[dallaskd]

I ordered the PPV and just enjoyed it and posted afterwards.. This was the craziest night i can remember. Sonnen must feel cursed. To lose that way and have his biggest foe (sub defense) bite him in the ass 2 min away from the greatest win of his career..

Shit... :depressed


Karma is a bitch, aint it?

[dallaskd]

This fight has got me thinking. I think Silva struggles with GSP, but for some reason I see Anderson having his way with a guy like Rashad Evans..

[CubanSucks]

Karma is a bitch, aint it?

Like Silva doesn't have some karma headed his way? I think you're the only one who doesn't recognize this.

Silva fans better be thanking the almighty that Dan Henderson isn't in the UFC cause he would take a whole lot away from this fight. And anyone who doesn't think GSp wins in a matchup has major brain damage. Just play out the scenario in your head and see what happens. Guarantee it's just like tonight except we'll actually hear the final bell ring and Silva will have blood gushing from his mouth/nose/one or both his eyes

[MannyIsGod]

He uses that to his adv when he does that crucifix and starts landing those punches on your head

Yeah he may get a crucifix against bad fighters on TUF but he's not going to get that shit on any worthwhile fighter in the UFC.

I fucking hate Roy Nelson. I can't believe he just won't get in good shape. He's got a lot of natural talent but its all wasted.

Congrats on winning the punching bag championship, Roy.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't believe people want to give Nelson respect. What good is it having a chin like that when you won't get in shape? Its a waste, IMO. I don't respect people who piss on natural talent.

[Stringer_Bell]

I can't believe people want to give Nelson respect. What good is it having a chin like that when you won't get in shape? Its a waste, IMO. I don't respect people who piss on natural talent.

I agree with your point, but I don't think it doesn't apply to Roy Nelson. His fat is mostly strategic...what ruined the fight for him was 1) exhausting his arm strength on desperate takedowns because 2) JDS hits like a surgeon cuts people open. He was hurting but kept engaging - when a guy backpedals cuz he's too fat in the later rounds, then there's a problem. I honestly don't think Roy expected JDS to defend his takedowns that good.

[desflood]

About 8:00 last night I hear a little voice in my head whispering a warning: "Change some picks...". Thank heavens I listened; if I'd stuck with Nelson and Alves I'd have gone 1-4.

[Joe Rogan]

LOL Joe Rogan giggling like a school girl!

:flipoff

[Em-City]

what a gut-wrenching main event!! classic

[Em-City]

man, still..... fuck that redneck sonnen tho

[ace3g]

I know these stats don't mean anything considering the results but:

MMA Live Amazing stat from @Computstrike: Chael Sonnen outlanded Anderson Silva, 289-29, setting record for most strikes landed in a fight.

MMA Live Even more amazing stat from last night? Anderson Silva had only been hit with 208 strikes COMBINED in his first 11 @UFC fights. WOW.

[8FOR!3]

Dude this isnt the first time he has tried to play that card..

His corner man Matt Lindland did it too against Bustamante. But it just didn't bother me. It's not like it was the most conscience decision in the world, he was running on emotion. That can cause most of us to do stupider stuff than 'pretending' to tap, if that's what he did. Either way, the rematch will happen and I'll support the guy who made a mistake and tried to go back on it for a few seconds over the dude who made excuses after winning the fight he got his ass handed to him so bad.

Anyways, the rest of the card rocked too. Fitch/Alves wasn't a great fight, but I didn't expect it to be. With a weight cut like that, Thiago Alves was hardly game and Jon Fitch would probably be too much for him regardless...Just about every fight Fitch is in will look similar to that other than GSP. Alves is too small to move up to 185, his arms are too short and he's too short (5'9 middleweight who's a striker? No thanks.) But my God, he needs to go to a nutritionist (or me, I'm an exercise and sports science major :lol) and change his diet completely. I'm not saying he's not eating healthy, I'm saying there's certain things about his diet that are going to cause him to be a jacked mofo. I guy with his frame should have no problem making 170.

Clay Guida/Rafael Dos Anjos I wasn't huge on because I'm not a fan of either. I liked watching Dos Anjos' muay thai though, kicks were great. Crap ending to the fight, but that's not anybody's fault, I'm sure he didn't want to break his jaw. Dos Santos/Nelson was one of the biggest displays of heart I've ever seen. That's about all I've got to say about that fight. And Matt Hughes, never felt better for the dude, it's the best he's looked in years. He showed power in his hands which are always being called questionable, and he choked out a legitimate black belt, enough said.

[polandprzem]

I'm delaying my anger !

I'm so pissed that ... FUCK I'M PISSED !!1





Fucking Silva was demolished.
Nobody in the world believed in the trash Sonnen thrown, about one sided pounding.
But he did it and in countdown show you could see his determination. Second to none. That he would gave up everything and start from the beginning to get the gold medal.

And after the fight he was disappointed and said he needs to regroup because he needs to be no1 and do not want silver - to me that was astonishing. He said no word about Silva, that's shows you that he meant it when he said he wants to be a champ and beating Anderson is just a bonus.
Talking smack to Anderson was a strategy and some truth that people was for some reason avoiding.



Alves needs to keep himself lower then 200lbs
MW is not for him. long time ago i said that he will have to do it. But simple thing. lose weight, and he can lose some muscle weight. bigger muscles do not give you more power.



As for Vitor - I think he really would exploit Andersons stand up, like shogun did it with Machida.


As for GSP - well I told you so?
yes I did.


Hughes with lucky punch IMO and Almeida did not recovered. to me it was a strange fight. Almeida looked really good in his last two performances. Let's see what UFC will do with Matt. 170 is stacked right now.

Fitch vs winner of Kos vs GSP prob some March or April

Then maybe if Silva will not move up we will see GSP vs Anderson

[760Spursfan]

Sonnen fought his ass off and I give him props for that. Most fighters would have just laid on him for the last two rounds knowing that they would win by decision but this guy wanted to prove a point. After being dominated for 4.5 rounds silva found a way to win the fight and you can't take that away from him. I would love to see a rematch and I still think Silva comes out on top.

[MannyIsGod]

Sonnen fought his ass off and I give him props for that. Most fighters would have just laid on him for the last two rounds knowing that they would win by decision but this guy wanted to prove a point. After being dominated for 4.5 rounds silva found a way to win the fight and you can't take that away from him. I would love to see a rematch and I still think Silva comes out on top.

Yeah most fighters would have also left there with a belt. Sonnen was just stupid.

[cornbread]

It looked to Sonnen was trying to pull off a phantom tap. I'm glad Rosen was right on it.

[CubanSucks]

Now that the next WW and HW title fights are set I don't see anything changing. GSP will beat Kos like he beat Fitch and Fitch will again lose to GSP in a mirror image of their last fight. As for HW, the only guy I think has a chance against Brock is Carwin. Cain=shorter version of Carwin. JDS=smaller not as powerful version of Carwin

[dallaskd]

I know these stats don't mean anything considering the results but:

MMA Live Amazing stat from @Computstrike: Chael Sonnen outlanded Anderson Silva, 289-29, setting record for most strikes landed in a fight.

MMA Live Even more amazing stat from last night? Anderson Silva had only been hit with 208 strikes COMBINED in his first 11 @UFC fights. WOW.

Yet Silva's face doesnt seem to have a scratch. Sonnen's face is blasted. wow..

[ace3g]

Yet Silva's face doesnt seem to have a scratch. Sonnen's face is blasted. wow..

Silva's face never looked like this after a fight, http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2010/08/ipt/1281256212.jpg

[dbreiden83080]

Yet Silva's face doesnt seem to have a scratch. Sonnen's face is blasted. wow..

Silva hits hard but he was still dominated..

There should be a rematch.. Can't wait for it...

[dallaskd]

Silva's face never looked like this after a fight, http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2010/08/ipt/1281256212.jpg

Thats not bad for being under a man for 5 rounds. Silva was never hurt..

Here is the post fight presser everyone.. (Silva and Sonnen)

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Silva-amp-Sonnen-Reflect-on-UFC-117-Main-Event-2570

[dallaskd]

More post fight pressers..

Hughes and Guida:

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Hughes-amp-Guida-Post-Fight-Rundown-2568

Dos Santos and Fitch:

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Fitch-amp-Cigano-Discuss-Hard-Fought-Wins-2569

Dana White:

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Dana-White-on-UFC-117-2571

[ace3g]

Thats not bad for being under a man for 5 rounds. Silva was never hurt..

Here is the post fight presser everyone.. (Silva and Sonnen)

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Silva-amp-Sonnen-Reflect-on-UFC-117-Main-Event-2570

you don't have to have marks on your face to know if a guy is hurt or not.

[dallaskd]

you don't have to have marks on your face to know if a guy is hurt or not.

Silva was never in danger once in that fight. He was smothered and dominated, but never in danger. Anderson will beat Chael again if he cant finish the fight. Silva will bounce back 10 times better. Again, I think he is starting his decline though..

[polandprzem]

Silva was never in danger even if he would lose 50-40 on every judge card

/blue

[dbreiden83080]

Just watched it again. What a fight. I feel so bad for Chael to lose like that after all he put in. I think this will probably be the first maybe in a trilogy with these guys.. Rematch has to happen..

[CubanSucks]

Black skin hides bruises

[angelbelow]

I know these stats don't mean anything considering the results but:

MMA Live Amazing stat from @Computstrike: Chael Sonnen outlanded Anderson Silva, 289-29, setting record for most strikes landed in a fight.

MMA Live Even more amazing stat from last night? Anderson Silva had only been hit with 208 strikes COMBINED in his first 11 @UFC fights. WOW.

unbelievable.

[dbreiden83080]

Sonnen has lost 11 fights 8 by submission but none ever like this with what he had done in this fight.. His corner had to be thinking as the choke was in place

"Shit not again"

[Stringer_Bell]

Just watched it again. What a fight. I feel so bad for Chael to lose like that after all he put in. I think this will probably be the first maybe in a trilogy with these guys.. Rematch has to happen..

No trilogy unless Sonne wins re-match, but it could easily turn into one of the best "grudge" matches if it gets that far. Dammit >.< I was already imagining Sonnen defending against Vitor

[ace3g]

Vitor was already rumored to fight the winner of this fight , so it maybe Vitor vs Silva first then Sonnen next

[benefactor]

Yet Silva's face doesnt seem to have a scratch. Sonnen's face is blasted. wow..
It wasn't all that bad...not nearly as bad as the blasting you are allowing Silva to give you in the face.

[Em-City]

what was strange was silva didn't sprawl once until the 5th round.... i think that rib injury was legit.

[dbreiden83080]

what was strange was silva didn't sprawl once until the 5th round.... i think that rib injury was legit.

Silva has never had good TDD. Fighters with average wrestling like Nate Marquadt, Rich Franklin, Thales Leites all got TD on him in the UFC.. Sonnen is the first double leg machine animal wrestler he fought that is pretty well rounded except for sub defense.. :bang


No trilogy unless Sonne wins re-match, but it could easily turn into one of the best "grudge" matches if it gets that far. Dammit >.< I was already imagining Sonnen defending against Vitor

Of course Sonnen has to win the rematch. He can honestly be a little less aggressive on top next time and still win. Silva never came close to getting up one damn time when he was taken down. Sonnen blew his load a bit in the first 4 and he was lazily sitting in Silva's guard when he got hit with that triangle. Agree with your point about Vitor, i was looking forward to that as well. I think Sonnen dominates Vitor. Randy broke him badly more than once.. Tito got enough TD's to beat him.. He is another great striker that hates fighting wrestlers..

[dbreiden83080]

high and tight sonnen, too low


high and tight!!!!


stay high and tight, and you have this Sonnen!!!

:toast

Amen Brother.. HE was gassed and got a little lazy in there. Damn Sonnen Damn!!!!!!

[ace3g]

:toast

Amen Brother.. HE was gassed and got a little lazy in there. Damn Sonnen Damn!!!!!!

I was going crazy at my friends mma forum www.mmafans.net when that fight was happening, I knew both Sonnen had a tendency to get submitted and Silva is good at that triangle, especially with his long legs.

That was the first time during the match that he sat up on Silva's guard for the GnP, and he never got a punch off.


The main reason I thought it was Sonnen's night was for 4 reasons:

1. He didn't get KO early on in the 1st
2. He got tons of take downs
3. In the 1st (I think) Silva caught one of his kicks (which usually means bad things) but he did this awesome flip to get out of it.
4. When Silva finally got on top in the 3rd or 4th, Sonnen reversed it



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I went going in with my predictions knowing that Silva was probably going to win hands down because he is that good; I was picking Sonnen because I was hoping with his wrestling (wrestlers have given Silva trouble in the past, especially Hendo) would force a long competitive match and show Silva that everything isn't easy and would hopefully bring his ego back down to earth. Well Sonnen did that even in the loss, hell they both even hugged after the fight to show respect for each other.

White needs to start giving Silva only top 4 MW contenders the rest of his career from now on. He had a pretty easy ride the beginning and middle part of his UFC career, finish it off with tough opponents.

[dbreiden83080]

I was going crazy at my friends mma forum www.mmafans.net when that fight was happening, I knew both Sonnen had a tendency to get submitted and Silva is good at that triangle, especially with his long legs.

That was the first time during the match that he sat up on Silva's guard for the GnP, and he never got a punch off.


The main reason I thought it was Sonnen's night was for 4 reasons:

1. He didn't get KO early on in the 1st
2. He got tons of take downs
3. In the 1st (I think) Silva caught one of his kicks (which usually means bad things) but he did this awesome flip to get out of it.
4. When Silva finally got on top in the 3rd or 4th, Sonnen reversed it

Awesome points dude.. We need your take for all these fights.. :toast

[ace3g]

I'm still new to MMA/UFC stuff, my friend got me into it like 1 1/2 years ago. So every now and then there are fighters I don't know, certain historic fights I've never heard of.

But just like in every other sport that I start to pick up, I can usually tell what fighting styles match up well with each other and when the turning point in a fight happens.

I can't wait for UFC 118: Penn vs Edgar II and Couture vs Toney