What are some of the worst..

[HarlemHeat37]

close-out/elimination game performances of all-time?..

[MiamiHeat]

6-24 kobe bryant

or how about the 39 point loss to send kobe packing in nba finals game 6 2008?

or how about the time when kobe took 3 shots in the entire 2nd half of game 7 vs the suns?

[mingus]

i smell a genda.

[Medvedenko]

Lol Miamiheat and HH.....so predictable it hurts the internets.....

[HarlemHeat37]

6-24 kobe bryant

or how about the 39 point loss to send kobe packing in nba finals game 6 2008?

:lol

Damn, I forgot about those 2 performances, TBH, good post..

[MavDynasty]

116-76

[Medvedenko]

:lol

Damn, I forgot about those 2 performances, TBH, good post..

Fuck....:married:

[MiamiHeat]

Lol Miamiheat and HH.....so predictable it hurts the internets.....

LOL KOBE FAN SAYING LEBRON QUIT

3 shots in the entire 2nd half of a Game 7

[HarlemHeat37]

Raise the bar, please, Medvedenko..being Kobe's cousin doesn't excuse you from raising the bar..

Anyways, back on track..any other stand-out poor performances in elimination/close-out games?..

[Darrin]

close-out/elimination game performances of all-time?..

Jason Kidd goes scoreless in a 20-point blowout to the Detroit Pistons in Game 7 of the 2004 Eastern Conference Semifinals.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

116-76

Was that the Mavs-Rockets series?

[Medvedenko]

Raise the bar, please, Medvedenko..being Kobe's cousin doesn't excuse you from raising the bar..

Anyways, back on track..any other stand-out poor performances in elimination/close-out games?..

I've retired the bar a while back....where were you.

[MavDynasty]

Was that the Mavs-Rockets series?

Yup, game 7 in 2005

[Red Hawk #21]

How bout Kenyon Martin going 3 for 23 in game 6 of the 2003 Nba finals, this was also the game where Duncan had 21 points, 20 Rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks. Words can't even describe the way Duncan owned Martin that night...

[HarlemHeat37]

John Starks 2-18 in game 7, legendary performance..

[Giuseppe]

The Skunker.

tee, hee.

[Medvedenko]

pot meet kettle

Welcome to the team.

[TheKingOfMIA6]

K-Mart 3-23

[Findog]

Dirk Game 6 versus the Warriors in 2007.

[Findog]

Cleveland Cavaliers refusing to foul in the final 1:30 of Game 6 vs Celtics 2010

[Findog]

close-out/elimination game performances of all-time?..

Vince Carter is everything you accuse Kobe of being.

[Findog]

Dennis Johnson missing every shot attempt in Game 7 of the Finals against the Bullets in 1978.

[HarlemHeat37]

Vince Carter is everything you accuse Kobe of being.

Which is?..

[ducks]

close-out/elimination game performances of all-time?..

james quiting on the cavs
no attacking
just staring at the coach

[Findog]

Which is?..

selfish, overrated, quits on his team when the going gets tough...funny that you never pass up an opportunity to shit on Kobe but slob Vince's knob every chance you get. Consistency demands that you hold Carter in the same kind of contempt. Otherwise you just have an agenda.

[dirk4mvp]

james quiting on the cavs
no attacking
just staring at the coach

End of thread, tbh.

[Findog]

End of thread, tbh.

At least the other guys were trying, they just sucked. Never seen a quit job like James before.

[HarlemHeat37]

selfish, overrated, quits on his team when the going gets tough...Funny that you never pass up an opportunity to shit on Kobe but slob Vince's knob every chance you get.

:lol I don't disagree with most of those characteristics..

Unfortunately, I don't ever slob Carter other than saying I cheer for him, and I've never said he's something that he isn't..

[MiamiHeat]

selfish, overrated, quits on his team when the going gets tough...funny that you never pass up an opportunity to shit on Kobe but slob Vince's knob every chance you get. Consistency demands that you hold Carter in the same kind of contempt. Otherwise you just have an agenda.

im the only one who shitted on kobe in this thread

he just laughed

[HarlemHeat37]

Lebron got a triple-double in the close-out game..

Try again..

[TheKingOfMIA6]

Kobe in 2004 was mad at Shaq shot 38 percent and had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22)

[Findog]

:lol I don't disagree with most of those characteristics..

Unfortunately, I don't ever slob Carter other than saying I cheer for him, and I've never said he's something that he isn't..

So you agree that selfish, overrated, quits on his team when the going gets tough is an accurate description of VC? I'm a Tarheel man, so I hate to disown the guy, but it's true.

[Giuseppe]

At least the other guys were trying, they just sucked. Never seen a quit job like James before.

Yep, yep.

[dirk4mvp]

At least the other guys were trying, they just sucked. Never seen a quit job like James before.

When ducks expresses his opinion on something, it's considered a fact. No discussion beyond his post is necessary.

[Findog]

im the only one who shitted on kobe in this thread

he just laughed

I'm not talking about just this thread. HH has a long-established history of belittling Kobe. I don't really care, other than it's strange considering he goes to sleep in Vince Carter pajamas and has his homepage set to VinceCarter.com.

[HarlemHeat37]

So you agree that selfish, overrated, quits on his team when the going gets tough is an accurate description of VC? I'm a Tarheel man, so I hate to disown the guy, but it's true.

Carter is far from overrated, everybody shits on him..how can you be overrated if everybody hates on you and your game?..he also isn't selfish, he's never had any problems with teammates for ball-hogging or any of that..

He's had 1 quitting incident that was overplayed, but deserved criticism for it, I've acknowledged that..

I don't see the comparisons you're drawing here..

[Findog]

Yep, yep.

Quitting on the Cavs and then agreeing to be Wade's caddy forever tarnished his legacy. Yeah, he'll win a few rings in Miami, but so what? If I buy every seat in the left-field bleachers at the Ballpark in Arlington, I should be able to catch a Josh Hamilton home run ball.

[TheKingOfMIA6]

at least the other guys were trying, they just sucked. Never seen a quit job like james before.

27 10 19

[MiamiHeat]

vince carter is weird

its like his head is so far up his own ass, he just doesnt care about greatness. hes content with collecting a paycheck and the little success and fame he had with the raptors as a dunk king.

but then other times he brings his ugly ass daughters on stage with him to the post-game press conferences and he acts like he cares.

confuses me tbh. but i dont like vince carter.

when i look at Vince's game, i see a guy who was as talented as anybody in the NBA, ANYBODY!

but for some fucking reason, the guy just fails. i don't know whats definitely wrong with him, but the biggest thing i notice is that he lacks passion and fire.

[Findog]

27 10 19

They quit - check the final 1:30. They refused to foul to stop the clock. LeBron is a quitter and Wade's caddy.

[MiamiHeat]

Carter is an overrated Bum, always has and always will be.

something is wrong with vince. him and his cousin T-Mac. maybe both are potheads or something. i dont know. it just feels like they think they are the shit even though they havent accomplished anything.

at least kobe works his ass off and tries hard to copy the greatest players and improve his game. he actually cares

i dont get that vibe from vince.

which is sad, cause he could do anything kobe or anyone else could do. the man had athleticism for days.

[MiamiHeat]

They quit - check the final 1:30. They refused to foul to stop the clock. LeBron is a quitter and Wade's caddy.

i agree they should have fought to the last second.

but don't act like if the game was in hand. wasn't it a double digit lead or something? i dont remember, but i DO remember the game was out of reach by then.

[HarlemHeat37]

MH, where would you rank the 6-24 games in the worst close-out games of all-time?..unbiased opinion, as usual..

[MiamiHeat]

if i had to rank kobe's worst performances, his quitting job in a game 7 is the worst, and 6-24 and losing by 39 are tied for 2nd.

[HarlemHeat37]

if i had to rank kobe's worst performances, his quitting job in a game 7 is the worst, and 6-24 and losing by 39 are tied for 2nd.

Did the 6-24 performance surprise you, even a little?..it was arguably the biggest game of his career, TBH..

[MiamiHeat]

Did the 6-24 performance surprise you, even a little?..it was arguably the biggest game of his career, TBH..

kobe will grease up his elbows, make sure the joints are smooth and ready, and start chucking those shots, no matter what. he lacks enough bball iq to really be one of the greats. kobe just forces shit, and it's rooted in ego. predictable.

same kobe. only difference now is that the Lakers stole Pau Gasol for kwame brown and kobe gets to win while still playing shitty basketball.

[milkshakeballa]

How do some of you guys not realize you are getting trolled?

[florige]

i agree they should have fought to the last second.

but don't act like if the game was in hand. wasn't it a double digit lead or something? i dont remember, but i DO remember the game was out of reach by then.

It wasnt THAT much out of hand like you make it seem where fouling was out of the question. If I remember it was eight points with around 45 seconds left. "The King" gave up.

[florige]

if i had to rank kobe's worst performances, his quitting job in a game 7 is the worst, and 6-24 and losing by 39 are tied for 2nd.

At least Kobe stayed with LA and cheated. He is still considered the man there no matter how many crappy game 7's he plays. Lebron is just considered a douchebag who left his town hanging after a crappy, give-up performance.

[gmartin02]

27 10 19
Predictable how the cock sucking LeBron band-wagoners mention "triple double" & these numbers, but FAIL to mention he was one turnover away from a quadruple double...

9 turnovers in an elimination game (many of them unforced) - that's 2 turnovers short of the all time NBA playoff game record (11) - pathetic

[badfish22]

james quiting on the cavs
no attacking
just staring at the coach

:cry fucking greatness

[Kindergarten Cop]

Predictable how the cock sucking LeBron band-wagoners mention "triple double" & these numbers, but FAIL to mention he was one turnover away from a quadruple double...

9 turnovers in an elimination game (many of them unforced) - that's 2 turnovers short of the all time NBA playoff game record (11) - pathetic


Finals Records: Turnovers - Game

Most turnovers, individual, game:
10 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles vs. Philadelphia, May 14, 1980

http://www.nba.com/history/records/finals_game_turnovers.html

[jacobdrj]

John Starks. 1994 Finals. Knicks-Rockets. Game 7. 2-18 shooting.

Facepalm...

[jacobdrj]

Chauncy Billups. Eastern Conference Finals. Pistons-Cavs. Game 6. 3-14 shooting.

[midnightpulp]

Tony Parker. Game 6 of the '04 WC Semifinals against the Assholes.

4-18, 9 points, 1 board, 6 TOs.

[Bito Corleone]

How bout Kenyon Martin going 3 for 23 in game 6 of the 2003 Nba finals, this was also the game where Duncan had 21 points, 20 Rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks. Words can't even describe the way Duncan owned Martin that night...

I thought Duncan had 32 points in that game. He was so close to getting a quad...which would have been even more amazing when taking into consideration that this was David's last game and David had been the last player to accomplish a quadruple double.

[Andrew Bynum]

K-Mart 3-23

:lol 23LebronJames23 ripping off someone else's answer cause he doesn't know the difference between a frontcourt and a backcourt.

[Andrew Bynum]

Chauncy Billups. Eastern Conference Finals. Pistons-Cavs. Game 6. 3-14 shooting.

CROFL Mr. Big Shot not hitting shit of a big shot in like a decade.

[Andrew Bynum]

6-24

[ezau]

6-24 sucks major ass. Good thing the Lakers have their main man Pau to save the day.

[Giuseppe]

..........he's enabled Culburn to never spend a day here at the Laker's Board on ST without being NBA World Champion.

Nutty baby.

[midnightpulp]

..........he's enabled Culburn to never spend a day here at the Laker's Board on ST without being NBA World Champion.

Nutty baby.

Pau Gasol sure has.

Helluva player.

[Giuseppe]

Pau Gasol sure has.

Helluva player.

Mid, gettin' my echo on.

[Leonard Curse]

Ray Allen's 3-14.

after scoring 32 earlier in that series, i bet ray was taking some vicodin by game 7 :lol

[Chieflion]

Sorry, Chris Paul, I think you are an excellent player but getting kicked in the ass 121-63 by the Nuggets and deferring 13 shots to Jannero Pargo in the 4th quarter in game 7 is a shoe-in for most pathetic showings in the playoffs.

[Koolaid_Man]

close-out/elimination game performances of all-time?..



I'm a Macro Level thinker....I have a global perspective of things...so I say worst close-out games of all time is Lakers 16 NBA titles > Miami 1

To be fair though Miami 4 Homo's on their team > to Lakers 0.....

:toast

[21_Dickings]

..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast


..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast


..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast


..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast


..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast


..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast


..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast


..we need to ask Kori to create a Homo forum
:toast

[Basketballgirl25]

So from reading this thread I've learned something both Vince Carter and Chris Bosh left the Raptors and both are overrated, now it will be interesting to see is Bosh gets booed more when he plays the Raptors, I'm sure as hell he won't be doing what Vince Carter use to do when he would return:toast

[21_Dickings]

So from reading this thread I've learned something both Vince Carter and Chris Bosh left the Raptors and both are overrated, now it will be interesting to see is Bosh gets booed more when he plays the Raptors, I'm sure as hell he won't be doing what Vince Carter use to do when he would return:toast

You also learned that Koolaid_Man desires a "homo forum" to be created.

[picc84]

James' 9 turnovers are easy to explain. Every time the Cavs got close, he'd make a "risky" pass....straight to a Boston Celtic. It was strange at the time. But makes perfect sense in hindsight.

No way to take his talents to South Beach if the Cavs make comeback and he's forced to actually compete for a championship with them. In the end, Rondo and James carried Boston to the next round, and the rest is history.

[silverblk mystix]

2003 the entire laker team...ended with kobe and fish cryin like little bitches at the hands of the spurs...and closed the fabulous forum to boot.

...and gayseppie...

the reason you keep smelling skunk is obvious...

you haven't removed your nose from deep in lakadikluva's asshole since 2009

[Giuseppe]

2003 the entire laker team...ended with kobe and fish cryin like little bitches at the hands of the spurs...and closed the fabulous forum to boot.

...and gayseppie...

the reason you keep smelling skunk is obvious...

you haven't removed your nose from deep in lakadikluva's asshole since 2009

Luva told me 2-3,,,he said, I say, he said,,,,"nobody Cully, nobody closes us out." Just like that, Silv.

We do make a formidable team that's for sure.

And nothin' you can do about it cept take it & like it.

& you got the skunker put to ya, daddy-O, and I ain't ever lettin' ya ferget it.

No way, Jose'.

ha, ha.

[Goran Dragic]

One of the worst coaching performances ever in a closeout game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200705180SAS.html

[silverblk mystix]

Luva told me 2-3,,,he said, I say, he said,,,,"nobody Cully, nobody closes us out." Just like that, Silv.

We do make a formidable team that's for sure.

And nothin' you can do about it cept take it & like it.

& you got the skunker put to ya, daddy-O, and I ain't ever lettin' ya ferget it.

No way, Jose'.

ha, ha.

and you STILL didn't remove your nose from DEEP in the paki sphincter....:lmao

[Giuseppe]

and you STILL didn't remove your nose from DEEP in the paki sphincter....:lmao

lmcontrollinao!

I still got it.

[Goran Dragic]

Tbh this is actually a good interesting thread hidden agenda put aside. HarlemHeat is raising the bar.

If you wanna talk 6-24 at least Kobe's team won that game, IMO 7-21 is worse since this game ended Kobe's season in 2004:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406150DET.html


None of these are bad in particular, but when you add up Marion's below average closeout games from 2005-2007 as the highest paid player on the Suns, they're collectively as bad as any of these single games being discussed:
Outscored by Bruce Bowen in 2005:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200506010PHO.html

Worked by Josh Howard on both ends of the court in every which way in 2006:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200606030PHO.html

Just like 2005, left Nash and Amare hanging wondering where the 3rd member of their big 3 was while all 3 members of the Spurs big 3 were stepping their game up. Michael fuckin Finley took half the shots he took and scored as many points:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200705180SAS.html

[Killakobe81]

Sad, just sad. He missed, he sucked ...let it go the ring is ALL that matters ...

Kobe is not MJ ...and he has had some shitty Finals games along with some great ones ...

no need to obsess ...

[JamStone]

Game 4 of getting swept in the first round in 2009 by the Cavaliers. Talk about quitting, Rasheed still the highest paid player on the team basically said, "I don't give a fuck anymore." 0-for-7 from the floor for 0 zero points in 29 minutes and gets ejected. Why pretend to care when you really didn't care?

Sheed was and probably will always be one of my favorite players, on the Pistons or not. I thought he was a great NBA personality, in general came across as being very real, didn't hesitate to criticize the NBA establishment, and was a goofy lookin fella too which made his antics even more entertaining. But that 2008-09 season, he was definitely just going through the motions. Didn't really give a shit at all. Even at his age, he was still the most talented player on that Pistons team and he just said, "fuck it."

[jag]

I miss having D'Antoni in the Western Conference.

[Goran Dragic]

Tbh Sheed still was one of the most talented players in the NBA last year. That baseline turnaround bank shot he finally started using in game 7 if the finals is one of the most undefendable shots in the NBA and it's something Sheed can make whenever he wants to. Boston fucked up big time not going to it more often in game 7, when Sheed's team is lucky enough to have a game where he's willing to post up like that it needs to take full advantage.

[jag]

Tbh Sheed still was one of the most talented players in the NBA last year. That baseline turnaround bank shot he finally started using in game 7 if the finals is one of the most undefendable shots in the NBA and it's something Sheed can make whenever he wants to. Boston fucked up big time not going to it more often in game 7, when Sheed's team is lucky enough to have a game where he's willing to post up like that it needs to take full advantage.

I don't think you can depend on sheed to knock those shots down. If he's making those tunaround banks it's mostly just a bonus. He's too out of shape to play D on one end and provide offense on the other end.

He looked great in stretches...but you dont want to go into a playoff game thinking sheed is going to provide you X amount of points.

[Goran Dragic]

I don't think you can depend on sheed to knock those shots down. If he's making those tunaround banks it's mostly just a bonus. He's too out of shape to play D on one end and provide offense on the other end.

He looked great in stretches...but you dont want to go into a playoff game thinking sheed is going to provide you X amount of points.

Yeah I'm not saying you can depend on Sheed to be making those shots, I'm saying that when he is consistently posting up and making those shots you need to ride it out and make the most of it, especially since Sheed is someone who will feel no pressure no matter how big the moment while the pressure was obviously getting to Pierce and Allen.

[jacobdrj]

CROFL Mr. Big Shot not hitting shit of a big shot in like a decade.

Chauncy poured his heart out trying to win the MVP that season. Best player on the best team, he thought.

Right before game 5, he found out that Nash was going to repeat as MVP. Not only did Chauncy not win the MVP, neither did another deserving player (ala Kobe, at least in Billups' mind) win it. He felt cheated and deflated and showed it not only in game 6, but in game 5 too where he also shot poorly...

C-Bill has never really been the same since...

[Giuseppe]

I don't think you can depend on sheed to knock those shots down. If he's making those tunaround banks it's mostly just a bonus. He's too out of shape to play D on one end and provide offense on the other end.

He looked great in stretches...but you dont want to go into a playoff game thinking sheed is going to provide you X amount of points.

Best part of Wallace in '10 Finals?...as all the other loser Celtics were heading one way toward the locker room at Staples, he was heading in the opposite direction toward the officials.

It's adorable.

[Goran Dragic]

Chauncy poured his heart out trying to win the MVP that season. Best player on the best team, he thought.

Right before game 5, he found out that Nash was going to repeat as MVP. Not only did Chauncy not win the MVP, neither did another deserving player (ala Kobe, at least in Billups' mind) win it. He felt cheated and deflated and showed it not only in game 6, but in game 5 too where he also shot poorly...

C-Bill has never really been the same since...
Game 5 of the ECF was played on May 31st, 2006

Here's an article on May 10th announcing Nash's repeat as MVP:
http://www.nba.com/news/nash_mvp_05-06.html

It had been news for some time prior to the ECF that Nash repeated as MVP. Not sure why Pistonfan likes to blame Steve Nash winning MVP for so many of their teams problems but I find it pretty hilarious.

Even if it were true that Chauncey felt deflated during the ECF, that's his fault for using it as an excuse to pack it in when a true competitor would use that as motivation to show the NBA how they fucked up giving Nash MVP.

[jag]

Yeah I'm not saying you can depend on Sheed to be making those shots, I'm saying that when he is consistently posting up and making those shots you need to ride it out and make the most of it, especially since Sheed is someone who will feel no pressure no matter how big the moment while the pressure was obviously getting to Pierce and Allen.

I agree, i just think its difficult to gauge when to keep feeding him and when to quit while you're ahead. Artest was really in Pierce's head and Allen has the mental fortitude of Vince Carter. So it's a shame Sheed doesn't care about staying in shape because he's one of the few guys who doesn't mind the big moments.

[Goran Dragic]

I agree, i just think its difficult to gauge when to keep feeding him and when to quit while you're ahead. Artest was really in Pierce's head and Allen has the mental fortitude of Vince Carter. So it's a shame Sheed doesn't care about staying in shape because he's one of the few guys who doesn't mind the big moments.
I couldn't agree more, the funny thing is Sheed being out of shape and not minding big moments are both side effects of him just not giving a shit :lol. If he really cared and tried hard then he would obviously stay in better shape, but chances are the finals would matter more to him and he would feel pressure. It's the Manny Ramirez effect. Manny was clutch as hell as the lazy complacent doofus who did a bunch of dumb shit, because he was too stupid and care free to ever think about how important certain at bats were.

[jacobdrj]

Game 5 of the ECF was played on May 31st, 2006

Here's an article on May 10th announcing Nash's repeat as MVP:
http://www.nba.com/news/nash_mvp_05-06.html

It had been news for some time prior to the ECF that Nash repeated as MVP. Not sure why Pistonfan likes to blame Steve Nash winning MVP for so many of their teams problems but I find it pretty hilarious.

Even if it were true that Chauncey felt deflated during the ECF, that's his fault for using it as an excuse to pack it in when a true competitor would use that as motivation to show the NBA how they fucked up giving Nash MVP.

I am not blaming Nash. I am blaming Billups. He quit. IIRC, it was rumored that Nash was going to win. IIRC, when it was confirmed, Billups quit.

[Quit Hatin']

the part when lebron james decide not to congratulate the magic is the worst performance in a close out/ elimination game.


Quit Hatin'

[benefactor]

One of the worst coaching performances ever in a closeout game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200705180SAS.html
I had fogotten how bad Manu blasted in the Suns face in that game. Thanks for the memories. :)

[Goran Dragic]

I had fogotten how bad Manu blasted in the Suns face in that game. Thanks for the memories. :)
I was a fan of D'antoni believing Kurt Thomas only deserved 16 minutes while Barbosa deserved 27 minutes because Kurt Thomas was the only reason Phoenix had won any games in that series while Barbosa had been beyond useless. I shouldn't question the decision though, they were able to hold Tim Duncan to only 8 offensive rebounds without KT and Barbosa made D'antoni look like a genius with his 5-15 shooting performance.

[JamStone]

I was and still am in many ways a big fan of Chauncey Billups. He was always confident, borderline cocky, but he always "tried" to be diplomatic despite that cockiness. Well spoken and really a great leader because not only of his supreme confidence in himself and his teammates but also because of his knowledge of the game (which he greatly improved on during his Pistons tenure) and self-motivation.

But one thing that irritated the hell out of me when it came to Billups was that he was the king of excuses. Always an "if" man when his team lost. If the Pistons had homecourt advantage, then they would have beaten the Spurs in 2005. If he didn't get hurt or one of his teammates didn't get hurt, they'd have beaten the Heat or the Cavs or the Celtics or whoever else... It was always retrospective excuse making with Chauncey when the team lost in the playoffs. Again, he'd be diplomatic and give credit to the team that beat him and the Pistons, but he'd always use a caveat and say something to the effect "if" this or "if" that, it would have turned out differently. Bugged the fuck out of me and got really old, especially by 2007 after Daniel Gibson shat all over Chauncey and 2008 when Chauncey once again used an ankle injury as an excuse.

This is the first time I've ever heard the excuse that Steve Nash winning the 2006 League MVP made Chauncey Billups play poorly. Never heard that. And it's beyond stupid for that to be a logical justification for playing like crap in the playoffs.

[Muser]

I highly doubt Nash winning MVP made Billups suck ass.

[TDMVPDPOY]

that 40pt loss to the celtics from the fakers in the finals....that was demoralizing

[JamStone]

I highly doubt Nash winning MVP made Billups suck ass.

That's what I was suggesting.

[picc84]

Never liked Billups, never will.

[Venti Quattro]

that 40pt loss to the celtics from the fakers in the finals....that was demoralizing

I'd rather lose that way compared to losing a close one.

I got over that pretty quickly. Had they lost close, that would've bothered me for months.

[picc84]

It was so demoralizing that we feasted on the next two championships, demolishing a double digit 4th quarter lead in game 7 to send Boston crying back home.

And simultaneously asterisked their '08 win.

Losing two championships in 12 minutes....now that's demoralizing.

tee, hee

[JamStone]

How and why did winning in 2010 asterisk Boston's 2008 title?

[Goran Dragic]

How and why did winning in 2010 asterisk Boston's 2008 title?
Since Ron Artest guarded Paul Pierce extremely well, that obviously means Trevor Ariza would have guarded him well in 2008.

[picc84]

Full laker frontcourt to dominate the boards, alter 1on1 matchups, and affect shots inside = elimination of main reason Boston won in 2008.

[picc84]

Since Ron Artest guarded Paul Pierce extremely well, that obviously means Trevor Ariza would have guarded him well in 2008.

Naw....Trevor's 2009 playoffs proves how big an upgrade he would have been over Vlad Rad. 2010 goes to Bynum >>> Turiaf.

[Muser]

So does that mean L.A's 2010 title is asterisked because of Perkins going down?

[Goran Dragic]

Naw....Trevor's 2009 playoffs proves how big an upgrade he would have been over Vlad Rad. 2010 goes to Bynum >>> Turiaf.
You're also neglecting to mention:

2008 KG >>> 2010 KG
2008 Pierce >>> 2010 Pierce
2008 Allen >>> 2010 Allen
James Posey >>> Tony Allen

[Dunc n Dave]

I'm a Macro Level thinker....I have a global perspective of things...so I say worst close-out games of all time is Lakers 16 NBA titles > Miami 1

To be fair though Miami 4 Homo's on their team > to Lakers 0.....

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[picc84]

So does that mean L.A's 2010 title is asterisked because of Perkins going down?

Maybe if Bynum had been anywhere near healthy the entire series, and if Rasheed hadn't beasted in his place in game 7.

Too bad LA didn't have Sheed replacing Bynum in 08. Probably would have won then too.

[Goran Dragic]

:lol Sheed was good on offense but he played absolutely atrocious defense and didn't box anything out.

[Muser]

picc, leave this kind of trolling to luva.

[picc84]

You're also neglecting to mention:

2008 KG >>> 2010 KG
2008 Pierce >>> 2010 Pierce
2008 Allen >>> 2010 Allen
James Posey >>> Tony Allen

2010 Pierce had just come off possibly his best playoff series in 3 years in the ECF. He just ran into Ron Artest. Thats all. Ray was about the same. He had a similar slump in the 08 playoffs, only that one lasted 2 1/2 rounds. KG is worse, but Rondo is tons better. Tony Allen not a large dropoff from Posey, and Nate played better than any backup PG they had then. Wallace and Baby were better than Brown and Powe.

Not to mention:

2008 Kobe >> 2010 Kobe
2008 Bynum >> 2010 Bynum
2008 Ariza >>>> 2008 Vlad Rad

I mean, we could do this all day. But the players that matter were all around the same relative effectiveness they were back then. Only difference is LA was missing 2 starters, both of whom have proved they matter in a big way the last 2 years.

Bynum for matchups and inside presence. Ariza for all-around. Trevor didn't stop Carmelo in the 09 WCF, but that didn't stop him from having a huge impact on the series. Bada bing.

[Goran Dragic]

He just ran into Ron Artest.
Which wouldn't have happened in 2008.

[Muser]

Having Bynum and Ariza wouldn't of changed that elimination game ass raping.

[Goran Dragic]

Tony Allen not a large dropoff from Posey

:lmao yeah Tony Allen woulda been able to knock down all those clutch 3 pointers Posey did during Boston's game 4 comeback.

[picc84]

:lol Sheed was good on offense but he played absolutely atrocious defense and didn't box anything out.

Sheed played his ass off in that game....don't go trying to act like he wasn't balling because it doesn't flow with your angle. I remember watching the game and wishing Perkins was healthy b/c Sheed was giving it to us, and I do believe one of the commentators made a remark echoing the sentiment.

Something about Perk's injury being bittersweet for the Lakers because of Sheed's beasting. Don't remember which of them it was.

Perk's replacement in '10 finals: 9/4/1
Bynum's replacement in '08 finals: 0/.7/0

If only we could have had that luxury. :downspin:

[Goran Dragic]

If only LA had those 9 extra points, that way they only lose by 30 instead of 39.

[picc84]

Having Bynum and Ariza wouldn't of changed that elimination game ass raping.

Wouldn't have been an elimination game in the first place.

[picc84]

:lmao yeah Tony Allen woulda been able to knock down all those clutch 3 pointers Posey did during Boston's game 4 comeback.

You clinging to such a minute point amidst all the other comparison. :lol

[Muser]

Right, because Ariza would of shut down Pierce..

[Muser]

Can I use the injury card to say Ginobili was injured in 08 too? IMO Lakers visit to the finals should have an asterisk.

[picc84]

Right, because Ariza would of shut down Pierce..

Didn't say he would have. Still would have been better defensively than Vlad Rad though, by far - especially on help D. Not as good as Artest, but better than Vlad or Luke. And bolstered by the twin towers in the middle with Big Bynum back.

Like I mentioned, Trevor didn't shut down Melo in the WCF but still had a huge series. He's a much better player than Vlad or Luke and has significant impact on games - that's the point. There was question as to whether he should be resigned over Odom. Thats not an inconsequential player.


Can I use the injury card to say Ginobili was injured in 08 too? IMO Lakers visit to the finals should have an asterisk.

Sorry, that only works when the other team is healthy, chum. At least Ginobili was playing - he's the only reason SA won the one game they did. :lol

[JamStone]

Not sure why you brought up Ronny Turiaf. His minutes actually went down in the playoffs, and against the Celtics in the Finals compared to the regular season. Bynum's minutes weren't really replaced by Turiaf. Bynum's absence was covered by Phil Jackson playing both Gasol and Odom 38-40 mpg each. Turiaf was getting spot minutes he might not have gotten, but the majority of Bynum's minutes were covered by Gasol/Odom.

Warped distortion to compare Turiaf to Wallace as replacements for Bynum and Perkins respectively.

[picc84]

No real reason. Just musing on the strength of Boston's replacement C compared to LA's. Would have loved to have had him back then, enjoying the luxury Boston had this year.

[jacobdrj]

I was and still am in many ways a big fan of Chauncey Billups. He was always confident, borderline cocky, but he always "tried" to be diplomatic despite that cockiness. Well spoken and really a great leader because not only of his supreme confidence in himself and his teammates but also because of his knowledge of the game (which he greatly improved on during his Pistons tenure) and self-motivation.

But one thing that irritated the hell out of me when it came to Billups was that he was the king of excuses. Always an "if" man when his team lost. If the Pistons had homecourt advantage, then they would have beaten the Spurs in 2005. If he didn't get hurt or one of his teammates didn't get hurt, they'd have beaten the Heat or the Cavs or the Celtics or whoever else... It was always retrospective excuse making with Chauncey when the team lost in the playoffs. Again, he'd be diplomatic and give credit to the team that beat him and the Pistons, but he'd always use a caveat and say something to the effect "if" this or "if" that, it would have turned out differently. Bugged the fuck out of me and got really old, especially by 2007 after Daniel Gibson shat all over Chauncey and 2008 when Chauncey once again used an ankle injury as an excuse.

This is the first time I've ever heard the excuse that Steve Nash winning the 2006 League MVP made Chauncey Billups play poorly. Never heard that. And it's beyond stupid for that to be a logical justification for playing like crap in the playoffs.
My observations were that once we started to hear that it was likely that Nash was going to win, Billups played noticeably different. It is possible that Billups just started sucking when that happened. But I distinctly remember that he wanted that MVP more than the championship that season, and being the ball dominator that he was that season, he directly impacted how the rest of the team played by his complete lack of urgency... IMHO, he had his ring, he wanted 'his' MVP...