NBA.com: LeBron can't win it alone? Neither could MJ, Bird or Magic

[Darrin]

This sums up some of my thoughts on the criticism of Lebron and Bosh joining D-Wade.


LeBron can't win it alone? Neither could MJ, Bird or Magic


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These three guys -- Abdul-Jabbar, Worthy and Johnson -- made a pretty good superteam in L.A.
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It seems curious how the Miami Heat in general, and LeBron James in particular, are coming under attack from some notable Hall of Famers for forming a superteam when those same Hall of Famers enhanced their careers in pretty much the same manner.

Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Michael Jordan, to varying degrees, came down hard on the concept, as though the sanctity of the game was threatened somehow by the uniting of LeBron, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. We'll get to the silly reason why these players decided to become teammates -- um, to win championships? -- a bit later. But first, let's examine those who are taking offense to it.

Magic? Didn't he have Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy, Byron Scott and Michael Cooper for much of his career?

Bird? Wasn't he part of the storied Celtics' front line with Kevin McHale and Robert Parish, while also enjoying the company of Reggie Lewis, Tiny Archibald and Dennis Johnson for stretches?

Jordan? Did he tell the Bulls "no thanks" when the idea of bringing in Dennis Rodman to join him and Scottie Pippen was raised? A team that went on an epic 72-win run during their first season together? Were those three championships they won as a trio somehow tainted because, well, it just wasn't right to have that much talent in the same uniform?

Yes, we know: Bird said he wouldn't want to team with Magic; he wanted to beat Magic. Same with Jordan. But that's missing the point. Bird didn't have to team with Magic because the Celtics had All-Star talent around Bird. Both he and Magic had two members each of the NBA's 50th anniversary team as teammates (Parish, McHale, Kareem, Worthy) -- plus one 50th anniversary team member at the end of his career (Archibald) was in the mix, too. So, yeah, Magic and Bird didn't really need each other.

And Jordan? This was the same player who grew weary of carrying the Bulls to the postseason, pre-Pippen, and then complained when Pippen, Horace Grant and B.J. Armstrong weren't yet mature enough to help beat the Pistons.

The plain truth is that every great player wants help. That's why Kobe Bryant, after temporarily deluding himself into thinking he could win a title without Shaquille O'Neal, gave the Lakers an ultimatum: Get me a sidekick, or else. That's why Chris Paul wants answers in New Orleans. And why LeBron finally got fed up and left Cleveland, leaving money on the table.

The real issue is a lack of superstar talent in the NBA, as compared to the Golden Age of the 1980s and '90s. And the blame can be directly traced to expansion. Would Bird and Magic and Jordan be so steadfastly against joining the "enemy" if they were playing today, where only a lucky handful of teams have more than one superstar on the roster? Given their strong desire to win, my gut tells me the answer is no. They would not be against the idea of being teammates.

Before expansion, a half-dozen teams, if not more, throbbed with talent. The Sixers were loaded with Julius Erving, Moses Malone (who heard applause, not jeers, when he hooked up with Dr. J, unlike LeBron), Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Toney and Bobby Jones. The Bucks had Sidney Moncrief, Jack Sikma, Bob Lanier, Terry Cummings and Ricky Pierce. The Hawks: Dominique Wilkins, Kevin Willis, Tree Rollins, Spud Webb, Doc Rivers. The Jazz: Darrell Griffith, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Mark Eaton. The Rockets: Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon. The Pistons: Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, John Salley, Bill Laimbeer, Rodman, Rick Mahorn, Vinnie Johnson. And so on.

But the game changed once the NBA sprouted in such cities as Charlotte and Miami, Minnesota and Memphis, Toronto and New Orleans. The talent pool was diluted. Twenty years ago, nobody would view the current makeup of the Heat as a novelty. Nobody would call them a "Supreme Team" or emphasize their talent or worry about a Goliath ruining basketball, because Miami would look no different than the Lakers or Celtics or Sixers or Pistons. If anything, Miami would still trail those teams in the talent department. A notorious trash-talker, Bird would look at the Miami roster and snort: "Is that all you got?"

Miami is being sized up as a villain, a team to hate, if only because three All-Stars got together and decided to be teammates. LeBron has taken hits in the past month because of his ego, criticism justified to a degree, especially with regard to his prime-time special. But if his ego was so large, why did he decide to play in Wade's World? Why not stay in Cleveland and have a suffering city kiss his ring? And why would Wade, given his stature in Miami, share his stage with two other bold-print names?

Maybe it's because they want to win and they figure that, in a league loaded with one-star teams, uniting would be the best way.

If some people complain the Miami three weren't good enough individually to carry a team to a title, then some people have a curious double standard.

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[MavDynasty]

:lmao the NBA trying to brainwash their fans

[picc84]

Of course Lebron can win alone, he doesn't need great players or a great team to get it done. Haven't they been reading NBA message boards for the past 3 years?

[MavDynasty]

:cry they just want to fucking win

[HarlemHeat37]

I know Lebron is the biggest name and arguably the best American philanthropist the NBA has ever seen, but people are still talking about this?..I've never seen so many people that are against a player that chose to go to a place where he had the best chance of winning titles..

[BUMP]

The only issue I have is with Magic.

He had Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper and yet he pulls the "I wouldn't have called...." card :rolleyes

IMO Magic was on the best team ever

[Darrin]

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[Darrin]

The only issue I have is with Magic.

He had Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper and yet he pulls the "I wouldn't have called...." card :rolleyes

IMO Magic was on the best team ever

Dude, Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge weren't even starters. Cederic Maxwell and Tiny Archibald. McHale, Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Robert Parish--you are telling me that Bird didn't have any help?

[Greg Oden]

Why did you post a picture of Dirk Nowitzki with a barely borderline allstar who couldn't stay in front on Mike Bibby and an old SG who was on the decline?

[BUMP]

Dude, Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge weren't even starters. Cederic Maxwell and Tiny Archibald. McHale, Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Robert Parish--you are telling me that Bird didn't have any help?

Of course Bird had help, but he hasn't pulled the "I wouldn't have called....." card yet

[Darrin]

Why did you post a picture of Dirk Nowitzki with a barely borderline allstar who couldn't stay in front on Mike Bibby and an old SG who was on the decline?

2002-03 Dallas Mavericks:

Dirk Nowitzki--25.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.4 spg, and 1.0 bpg.
Michael Finley--19.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, and 1.1 spg.
Steve Nash--17.7 ppg, 7.3 apg, 2.9 rpg, and 1.1 spg.
Nick Van Exel--12.5 ppg, 4.3 apg, and 2.8 rpg.

[Goran Dragic]

2002-03 Dallas Mavericks:

Dirk Nowitzki--25.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.4 spg, and 1.0 bpg.
Michael Finley--19.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, and 1.1 spg.
Steve Nash--17.7 ppg, 7.3 apg, 2.9 rpg, and 1.1 spg.
Nick Van Exel--12.5 ppg, 4.3 apg, and 2.8 rpg.
Meanwhile the coach was an alcoholic slob who didn't hold any players accountable defensively and the PG got outplayed by a 2nd year Tony Parker in the playoffs.

[MavDynasty]

2002-03 Dallas Mavericks:

Dirk Nowitzki--25.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.4 spg, and 1.0 bpg.
Michael Finley--19.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, and 1.1 spg.
Steve Nash--17.7 ppg, 7.3 apg, 2.9 rpg, and 1.1 spg.
Nick Van Exel--12.5 ppg, 4.3 apg, and 2.8 rpg.

:bang Fucking Dirks injury and Steve muthafuckin Kerr

[BUMP]

Question for you guys? Do you think that you could have taken Bird, Magic, or MJ and put them on any team and built a title contender that would have won championships?

It depends on how many years you gave them. If you were to surround them with equal talent I would bet MJ would be the first one to win a title

[Greg Oden]

2002-03 Dallas Mavericks:

Dirk Nowitzki--25.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.4 spg, and 1.0 bpg.
Michael Finley--19.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, and 1.1 spg.
Steve Nash--17.7 ppg, 7.3 apg, 2.9 rpg, and 1.1 spg.
Nick Van Exel--12.5 ppg, 4.3 apg, and 2.8 rpg.

Great, you know how to navigate basketball reference. Did you find the advanced stat that gauges players on their abilities to stay in front of Mike Bibby? What about the stat that gauges how much Tony Parker makes you his bitch?


Dirk took his team to the Finals without either of them on his team, while going thru 2 teams that had those players on them. If we had to pick a photo in your list that didn't belong with the others, it'd be a pretty obvious choice.

[Darrin]

Meanwhile the coach was an alcoholic slob who didn't hold any players accountable defensively and the PG got outplayed by a 2nd year Tony Parker in the playoffs.

Look at the first picture. Look at the first picture. Look at the first picture. Stop being a hypocrite. And challenge me on the Bucks.

[Goran Dragic]

Each Day Offers Potential

[hater]

:lmao the NBA trying to brainwash their fans

:lol

this is the first thing that came to mind

[Darrin]

Each Day Offers Potential

What about it?

[ffadicted]

That, my friends, is why Tim Duncan is the fucking man

[Greg Oden]

Hi, I'm a Spurs fan, look at me!

[BUMP]

That, my friends, is why Tim Duncan is the fucking man

You're right!

A team with David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, and Stephen Jackosn is absolute trash!

[Greg Oden]

What about it?

Do you have any more cookie cutter proverbs to share?

[Goran Dragic]

Do you have any more cookie cutter proverbs to share?

Each Day Offers Potential

[MavDynasty]

Nothing Gold can stay IMHO

[DisAsTerBot]

If we had to pick a photo in your list that didn't belong with the others, it'd be a pretty obvious choice.

no one's gonna jump on this one??

well..........4 rings bitch!

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The biggest issue is that Lebron is good enough to be a #1 option/franchise player but instead settled to be a glorified role player. Magic got drafted and stuck with his respective team, as did Bird. Jordan was the same. Lebron should be asking players to come to him, not the other way around.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think 3 years is more than enough time for a GM to build a title contender in today's league, but for the sake of argument, let's say 7 years, typically half the career of most super stars, could it get done? Honestly, I don't think these ex-players are put off by Lebron wanting to play with better talent. I think they are put off by all the hype that Lebron received without earning it over the course of his career. MJ spoke on this in a previous interview by saying these guys are given everything without earning it.

Lebron finally came to the realization that he needed to make a drastic move to leave the type of legacy that the greats before him left. The problem with that is, he was born and raised in the city that he became famous in. It's easy to say that Magic or Bird wouldn't have left because they were drafted as the final pieces to great teams, but I think both players could look at Lebron's situation and say to themselves that there was no way they would have left Cleveland the way Lebron did. Dirk has been wearing the same shoes Lebron has been wearing for much longer, but I bet Dirk stayed put because of his close ties to the city, and he feels like that's his team. Lebron thinks that if he wins 5-6 titles it will enhance his career, but at the end of the day all people wanted to see was if he could dominate on the big stage, now no one will ever now.

Sometimes I feel like two different people post under your name. :tu

[BUMP]

I think 3 years is more than enough time for a GM to build a title contender in today's league, but for the sake of argument, let's say 7 years, typically half the career of most super stars, could it get done? Honestly, I don't think these ex-players are put off by Lebron wanting to play with better talent. I think they are put off by all the hype that Lebron received without earning it over the course of his career. MJ spoke on this in a previous interview by saying these guys are given everything without earning it.

Lebron finally came to the realization that he needed to make a drastic move to leave the type of legacy that the greats before him left. The problem with that is, he was born and raised in the city that he became famous in. It's easy to say that Magic or Bird wouldn't have left because they were drafted as the final pieces to great teams, but I think both players could look at Lebron's situation and say to themselves that there was no way they would have left Cleveland the way Lebron did. Dirk has been wearing the same shoes Lebron has been wearing for much longer, but I bet Dirk stayed put because of his close ties to the city, and he feels like that's his team. Lebron thinks that if he wins 5-6 titles it will enhance his career, but at the end of the day all people wanted to see was if he could dominate on the big stage, now no one will ever now.

If all three of those guys were put in LeBron's situation (drafted in 2003 to a bad team) I think MJ and Magic could pull off a title within 7 years. MJ practically did it with the Bulls, and Magic has the versatility to adapt to any situation. While he had a stacked team, I could see him adjusting his game to do whatever it takes to win. Bird, although clutch, was primarily a jumpshooter so I think that he would need the right team around him.

[024]

this is why i lol'ed when magic said he wouldn't done what lebron did. lmao, he had kareem AND worthy. jordan's comment was less hypocritical but there wasn't a team in the NBA during his six championships that had a clear cut better supporting cast than the bulls.

it's ironic how people ridicule lebron's legacy and say he will go down in history as the second fiddle, yet they forget the help magic, jordan, and bird received on their team. if people are capable of forgetting the hall of fame help magic, jordan, bird, and kareem got, then they will most likely forget the help lebron got.

[diego]

I think 3 years is more than enough time for a GM to build a title contender in today's league, but for the sake of argument, let's say 7 years, typically half the career of most super stars, could it get done? Honestly, I don't think these ex-players are put off by Lebron wanting to play with better talent. I think they are put off by all the hype that Lebron received without earning it over the course of his career. MJ spoke on this in a previous interview by saying these guys are given everything without earning it.

Lebron finally came to the realization that he needed to make a drastic move to leave the type of legacy that the greats before him left. The problem with that is, he was born and raised in the city that he became famous in. It's easy to say that Magic or Bird wouldn't have left because they were drafted as the final pieces to great teams, but I think both players could look at Lebron's situation and say to themselves that there was no way they would have left Cleveland the way Lebron did. Dirk has been wearing the same shoes Lebron has been wearing for much longer, but I bet Dirk stayed put because of his close ties to the city, and he feels like that's his team. Lebron thinks that if he wins 5-6 titles it will enhance his career, but at the end of the day all people wanted to see was if he could dominate on the big stage, now no one will ever now.

one thing is to have a title contender, another to actually win a title. You can play great and have a good team around you and make title runs but if you never win it, no one will say "they were title worthy, just a little unlucky/the other guys were a a little better", they will say "what a bunch of choking POS" (aka, dirk and the mavs)

still, i dont think the dirk = lebron comparison applies at all. For one, dirk was drafted to a good team and nobody had such high expectations for him, he proved otherwise but is still known as a choker. lebron got drafted by a bad team and people were already putting him in GOAT talk before he played a pro game, he lived up to it statistically, even made a run with a pathetic team, but never came close to actually winning it; until this he didnt get much public criticism (I may be wrong on that since i left the US a couple years back). and now he teammed up with wade and people are going ballistic. its not even coattailing because the heat themselves have been pretty pathetic for the past couple years. the only way I understand all the criticism coming now is the media circus he created just pissed everyone off. i didnt see it but it sounds like it probably would have pissed me off if i did.

If lebron and wade go on to win 5 or more titles, will it really be because wade was his main competition and they no longer face each other? isnt kobe-pau-odom comparable to lebron-wade-bosh? whats the big difference, that one trio was created by devious GMing and the other by devious players?

did people get this upset when kobe bryant forced his way to LA even though he was not a FA? or did they just never have those expectations from him? serious question, as i was living on the other side of the world at the time.

[Darrin]

Do you have any more cookie cutter proverbs to share?

I didn't find that anywhere. I need to be reminded that no matter what has come before today, you can always start change today. That's all that's about. If you don't like it, move on. Is this some latent attack because I hold a different opinion than you do about the Miami Heat and Lebron James? Or do you just troll the forums looking for reasons to trash people because your sad, pathetic life doesn't allow for any outlet for your anger?

Each day offers the potential for change despite what you think of yourself, what reputation you have with others. And you have to make a conscious choice to continue that change once you have started it. I haven't found that anywhere else. It's a truth I don't want to lose so it is on my profile.

[mystargtr34]

I couldn't but laugh when Magic Johnson was calling out LeBron for wanting to play with better players.

[Booharv]

Bird, although clutch, was primarily a jumpshooter so I think that he would need the right team around him.

:lmao Bird just a jumpshooter. One of the best passers in the history of the game and a great rebounder. Dude had some of the most insane passing ability of a frontcourt player ever.

[koriwhat]

The only issue I have is with Magic.

He had Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper and yet he pulls the "I wouldn't have called...." card

IMO Magic was on the best team ever

[Greg Oden]

I don't have anymore cookie cutter proverbs to share.

Well that sucks bro. I was looking forward to them.

[Greg Oden]

:lmao Bird just a jumpshooter. One of the best passers in the history of the game and a great rebounder. Dude had some of the most insane passing ability of a frontcourt player ever.

Bird was also more than a jumpshooter. He could score from anywhere on the court, he just wasn't blessed with the insane athletic ability of LeBron or Jordan.

His passing rivals any player ever, not just front court players, imho.

[Booharv]

Bird was also more than a jumpshooter. He could score from anywhere on the court, he just wasn't blessed with the insane athletic ability of LeBron or Jordan.

His passing rivals any player ever, not just front court players, imho.

:tu

[mindcrime]

:bang Fucking Dirks injury and Steve muthafuckin Kerr

The only reason the Mavs made it that far was because Webber went down. For the record I don't think anyone was beating the 2003 Spurs. Duncan was beasting and would not be denied.

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't give a shit..all I know is that Kobe is a muthafucking dying breed...He transcends generations...he's the best player in the NBA left over from the 90's and Y2K....that makes him the best player of the 20th Century and the best player of the 21st century...my fucking Noogaah.... ;-)

[Darrin]

Bird was also more than a jumpshooter. He could score from anywhere on the court, he just wasn't blessed with the insane athletic ability of LeBron or Jordan.

His passing rivals any player ever, not just front court players, imho.

Havlicek was a bit of a passer, too.

[TheKingOfMIA6]

I don't give a shit..all I know is that Kobe is a muthafucking dying breed...He transcends generations...he's the best player in the NBA left over from the 90's and Y2K....that makes him the best player of the 20th Century and the best player of the 21st century...my fucking Noogaah.... ;-)

This thread has nothing to do with kobe so get his cock out your mouth for atleast a second.

[Mike-in-brazil]

only lakers 2004 did what lebron did...mavdynasty is right nba needs to stop trying so hard to protect its market...with these lame ass comparisons ..its a failed attempted cause lebron did nothing wrong outside nba rules, but Nba is afraid and threaten cause they hear and see expectations of the fans/people cause of this move ..scared as shit to loose ratings ...

[greyforest]

http://www.dmagazine.com/~/media/0_Articles/D%20Magazine/0_December2009/Dirk_6.ashx?db=master

what the hell is this picture doing in a thread about winning championships?

[Greg Oden]

what the hell is this picture doing in a thread about winning championships?

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[PM5K]

It's not about doing it alone or not, it's about doing it the old fashioned way.

Jordan, Magic, Bird, all did it the old fashioned way just like Timmy. A great player didn't join another great player, they were built through the draft, smart trades, luck, etc.

[badfish22]

:lmao the NBA trying to brainwash their fans

[MavDynasty]

:lmao :rollin :lol I GET IT! Its funny cuz they don't have any :lmao :rollin :lol ahahahahahahahahahahah

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[MavDynasty]

hi

[TheSullyMonster]

The biggest issue is that Lebron is good enough to be a #1 option/franchise player but instead settled to be a glorified role player. Magic got drafted and stuck with his respective team, as did Bird. Jordan was the same. Lebron should be asking players to come to him, not the other way around.

Didn't Magic throw a fit to ensure he went to the Lakers?

[sprrs]

You're right!

A team with David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, and Stephen Jackosn is absolute trash!

Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker barely compare with Lebron James and Dwayne Wade.

[BUMP]

Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker barely compare with Lebron James and Dwayne Wade.

You missed the point. That guy was trying to say that Duncan led a team to a title without help from other great players

[rmt]

The biggest issue is that Lebron is good enough to be a #1 option/franchise player but instead settled to be a glorified role player. Magic got drafted and stuck with his respective team, as did Bird. Jordan was the same. Lebron should be asking players to come to him, not the other way around.

I wouldn't want to live most of my year in Cleveland. Miami (I live here) has wonderful weather, beaches, no state tax, a franchise that's won before and as soon as he finishes assembling the team - a HOF coach. I don't think Wade sees Lebron as a role player. He keeps referring to them as 6-3-1 (Lebron 1st, Wade 2nd, Bosh 3rd).

Miami fans are fair weather fans. You should see how empty American Arena was in the down years. Now I won't be able to afford tickets when the Spurs come to town.

[BUMP]

Miami (I live here) has wonderful weather, beaches

Does it really?:wow

[badfish22]

thats the kinda inside info you only get from the locals

[BUMP]

thats the kinda inside info you only get from the locals

tbh, if it wasn't for the (i live here) i wouldn't have believed it

[v2freak]

You're right!

A team with David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, and Stephen Jackosn is absolute trash!

Are you for real? Those players are really good, but remember:

Admiral: last year before he retired, played mainly a defensive role
MG, TP: extremely young, fresh and inexperienced in the NBA
Jackson: great clutch player, you got me there

Remember to take into account the concept of time.

[Texas_Ranger]

02/03

Robinson: 8,5 pts., 7,9 reb., 1 ast., 1,73 blk. - last year in the NBA
Ginobili: 7,6 pts., 2,3 reb., 2 ast., 1,4 stl. - rookie
Parker: 15,5 pts., 2,6 reb., 5,3 ast. - second year in the NBA
Jackson: 11,8 pts., 3,6 reb., 2,3 ast., 1,6 stl. - third year in the NBA

Yea, real Superstars!!

[Greg Oden]

lol spurfans using lakerfan logic of shitting on Kobe's supporting cast to prop him up.

[ffadicted]

...


You're right!

A team with David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, and Stephen Jackosn is absolute trash!
too easy

[benefactor]

93-94 Olajuwon is probably the closest to doing it without another star.