Duncan,Kobe and Dirk...

[PGDynasty24]

It's funny how these 3 players since 98 have been the only constants and they are all still going hard and elite players. And the biggest thing is they have been on the same team this whole time. How it should be:toast

[MavDynasty]

One is missing a title :bang

[badfish22]

Kobe- Shaq o fucking neal, Pau Gasol
Duncan- David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker
Dirk- Josh Howard, Jet and Erick Dampier

:cry sad fucking story

[midnightpulp]

Kobe- Shaq o fucking neal, Pau Gasol, Phil Jackson
Duncan- David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Pop
Dirk- Josh Howard, Jet and Erick Dampier, Don Nelson, Avery, Carlisle

:cry sad fucking story

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Dirk (and to an extent Nash) wasted half their careers playing Nellie ball. Give some of those teams Phil or Pop, and they probably snatch a ring.

The Dirk-era Mavs have always had great talent, but lacked a great coach.

[Roddy Beaubois]

midnight, as always, with the goods

[mingus]

Kobe had to threaten to leave and he acted like a little bitch in doing so. dont compare him to Tim and Dirk as far is loyalty is concerned.

[alchemist]

Kobe- Shaq o fucking neal, Pau Gasol
Duncan- David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker
Dirk- Josh Howard, Jet and Erick Dampier

:cry sad fucking story
you don't win 67 games with shitty talent :hat

[mingus]

truth is Kobe'd have done the same thing if Gasol was never brought over. unfortunately for Lebron, a scenario like that wasn't possible unless he left.

[Greg Oden]

Fixed

Dirk (and to an extent Nash) wasted half their careers playing Nellie ball. Give some of those teams Phil or Pop, and they probably snatch a ring.

The Dirk-era Mavs have always had great talent, but lacked a great coach.

crucify em, ightpu, send that old drunken ass directly to the tree of woe.

[Ashy Larry]

Dirk - Prime Mike Finley, Steve Nash and 57 win teams ..... he's had good, solid players around him

[Roddy Beaubois]

you don't win 67 games with shitty talent :hat
It definitely wasn't shitty talent, just not up to par with the Spurs and Lakers championship teams.

Tbh you cannot win in the playoffs with only one star, as Lebron found out. Jumpshooters like Jason Terry and Mo Williams may help you win in the regular season, but its not going to happen in the PO's.
Also coaching matter a lot more in the PO's, and as Mid pointed out the Mavs had Nellie and Avery.

[Greg Oden]

Dirk - Prime Mike Finley, Steve Nash and 57 win teams ..... he's had good, solid players around him

Why did you list a barely borderline all star who couldn't stay in front of Mike Bibby?

[TheTreeOfWoe]

crucify em, ightpu, send that old drunken ass directly to the tree of woe.
yes, yes. Send em right on over!

[Roddy Beaubois]

Why did you list a barely borderline all star who couldn't stay in front of Mike Bibby?
and lol at prime finley

[Greg Oden]

Either way, Michael Finley and Mavs era Steve Nash hardly competes with prime Shaq and Gasol.

[Ashy Larry]

Why did you list a barely borderline all star who couldn't stay in front of Mike Bibby?

Wasn't like Bibby was on any all defensive teams either ......

[Greg Oden]

Wasn't like Bibby was on any all defensive teams either ......

What?

[Ashy Larry]

and lol at prime finley


from 2000 - 2004, Fin average more than 18 points per game and in three of those seasons over 20. I'd say that's prime

[BRHornet45]

sons LMAO why the hell is Dirk included on this list? how in the blue hell can you compare that flopping, 7ft tall jump shooter with absolutely NO post game whatsoever to Duncan or Kobe??? ... hell we may as well include Greg Ostertag as well then since after all he did spend a decade in Utah.

[Roddy Beaubois]

But Dirk didn't hit his prime until 06 so it didn't really matter that Finley was good in 2000.

[Roddy Beaubois]

sons LMAO why the hell is Dirk included on this list? how in the blue hell can you compare that flopping, 7ft tall jump shooter with absolutely NO post game whatsoever to Duncan or Kobe??? ... hell we may as well include Greg Ostertag as well then since after all he did spend a decade in Utah.

damn i thought the old you was dead & gone, but this is still the same dirk hater as before son

[BUMP]

yes, yes. Send em right on over!

:lol

[fevertrees]

The Big O!

[midnightpulp]

Either way, Michael Finley and Mavs era Steve Nash hardly competes with prime Shaq and Gasol.

Yeah, if those Mav teams had anything resembling a legit big-man who had a decent post game and could provide some interior defense, they probably have a couple rings.

Dirk scored 29 points on 10-22, 8-8 from the line, and grabbed 15 boards in Game 6 of the 06 Finals. Meanwhile, Jason Terry goes 7-25 and J. Ho 5-16.

Dirk's never had that player who could cover up his 6-24 shooting performances, should he have one.

[BRHornet45]

The Big O!

son exactly! if Dirk is allowed in this discussion then Ostertag should be as well.

[Ashy Larry]

But Dirk didn't hit his prime until 06 so it didn't really matter that Finley was good in 2000.

So, I'm glad you admit that Finley was good then ..... thanks

[Greg Oden]

Yeah, if those Mav teams had anything resembling a legit big-man who had a decent post game and could provide some interior defense, they probably have a couple rings.

Dirk scored 29 points on 10-22, 8-8 from the line, and grabbed 15 boards in Game 6 of the 06 Finals. Meanwhile, Jason Terry goes 7-25 and J. Ho 5-16.

Dirk's never had that player who could cover up his 6-24 shooting performances, should he have one.

:lol true tbh

Dirk has Devan George starting at Center in one playoff series, while Kobe has Ron Artest of all people be the game 7 hero in another series.

[Ashy Larry]

Either way, Michael Finley and Mavs era Steve Nash hardly competes with prime Shaq and Gasol.


The Big Three in the early 2000's were nice ..... just happen to be at a bad time when Sacramento was playing the prettiest basketball in the league and the Lakers were just mauling everyone.

[Greg Oden]

So, I'm glad you admit that Finley was good then ..... thanks

Is he better than prime Shaq?

[TheTreeOfWoe]

Dirk's never had that player who could cover up his 6-24 shooting performances, should he have one.

Crucify em, ghtpu. Send that game 7 choking ass on over to the tree of woe!

[BUMP]

The Big Three in the early 2000's were nice ..... just happen to be at a bad time when Sacramento was playing the prettiest basketball in the league and the Lakers were just mauling everyone.

They were built for the regular season. There's no way they win in any era, even in the 2005-2007 era (weakest NBA era of all time IMO)

[midnightpulp]

sons LMAO why the hell is Dirk included on this list? how in the blue hell can you compare that flopping, 7ft tall jump shooter with absolutely NO post game whatsoever to Duncan or Kobe??? ... hell we may as well include Greg Ostertag as well then since after all he did spend a decade in Utah.

But, son, as much as you dislike Dirk, you have to admit that he's never had a big man of Gasol's or Shaq's caliber to cover up his poor shooting efforts. You know Kobe has played with the greatest talent in the post-Jordan era.

Dirk had to shoot lights out for those Mavs to have any chance. If he was off, there was no Shaq or Gasol to dump it down into for a high-percentage attempt.

[Ashy Larry]

Is he better than prime Shaq?

When in shape, there was no one better than Shaquille.

[Greg Oden]

When in shape, there was no one better than Shaquille.

Thanks!

[midnightpulp]

When in shape, there was no one better than Shaquille.

Ashy, honest question. Replace Kobe with Dirk on those 3-peat Lakers teams, do they still 3-peat?

(I know they play different positions, so we send Horry or Horace Grant packing, fill in Dirk at the PF, and move Ron Harper over to staring SG).

[Roddy Beaubois]

Dirk and prime shaq combo = gg NBA

[BRHornet45]

But, son, as much as you dislike Dirk, you have to admit that he's never had a big man of Gasol's or Shaq's caliber to cover up his poor shooting efforts. You know Kobe has played with the greatest talent in the post-Jordan era.

Dirk had to shoot lights out for those Mavs to have any chance. If he was off, there was no Shaq or Gasol to dump it down into for a high-percentage attempt.

son that is true no doubt about that, but we can't discuss the "but but what if's". excuses are the storyline of Dirk's entire career. we still should include Greg Ostertag into this post if Dirk is allowed. understand?

[alchemist]

If he was off, there was no Shaq or Gasol to dump it down into for a high-percentage attempt.
Shouldn't that be Dirk's job?

[Ashy Larry]

Ashy, honest question. Replace Kobe with Dirk on those 3-peat Lakers teams, do they still 3-peat?

(I know they play different positions, so we send Horry or Horace Grant packing, fill in Dirk at the PF, and move Ron Harper over to staring SG).


I don't know ..... that's an iffy question. Even with Shaquille on the floor, the best player in that Game 7 WCF against the Blazers was Kobe. Dirk was only a few years removed from being drafted at that time and had a very difficult time adjusting.

In that 2001 WCF against the Spurs, the real NBA Finals, the best player on the floor in that series was Kobe without question ......

If we are just talking Lakers versus Pacers, Sixers and Nets; Dirk replacing Kobe, I'd say yes. Going up against the East, they would have smoked those three teams but the Western conference playoffs could have been a different story.......

[PGDynasty24]

Shouldn't that be Dirk's job?

I know right. A 7 footer with the shooting touch he has should be down low,but he's a pussy and too scared to play with the big boys. Kobe is in low post more than Dirk

[midnightpulp]

Shouldn't that be Dirk's job?

Not his game. Dirk has always been a 7 foot shooting guard.

It's like saying Malik Rose should've been a perimeter player because he's 6-7.

Although, Dirk does post up pretty good at the elbow. If he gets his the ball there, it's usually a made turnaround jumper the majority of the time.

[Greg Oden]

I know right. A 7 footer with the shooting touch he has should be down low,but he's a pussy and too scared to play with the big boys. Kobe is in low post more than Dirk

You have zero redeeming qualities as a poster.

[MavDynasty]

I know right. A 7 footer with the shooting touch he has should be down low,but he's a pussy and too scared to play with the big boys. Kobe is in low post more than Dirk

Dirks bread and butter is his midrange shooting game. Are you saying he should move away from the midrange and play in the low post where he is not as skilled? That is like putting Tom fucking Brady at running back.

[PGDynasty24]

You have zero redeeming qualities as a poster.

Hey Greg, why don't you go headbutt a rusty nail or something.

[Greg Oden]

Hey Greg, why don't you go headbutt a rusty nail or something.

Hey PGDynasty, why don't you go make a worthwhile post or something?

Your entire shtick on spurstalk is to suck on Kobe's wang, which doesn't set you apart from the other hundreds of Kobe's pecker licking post Gasol laker fans.

[midnightpulp]

I don't know ..... that's an iffy question. Even with Shaquille on the floor, the best player in that Game 7 WCF against the Blazers was Kobe. Dirk was only a few years removed from being drafted at that time and had a very difficult time adjusting.

In that 2001 WCF against the Spurs, the real NBA Finals, the best player on the floor in that series was Kobe without question ......

If we are just talking Lakers versus Pacers, Sixers and Nets; Dirk replacing Kobe, I'd say yes. Going up against the East, they would have smoked those three teams but the Western conference playoffs could have been a different story.......

I think if Dirk had Shaq to take the pressure off him, he would excel in that series as well. The Spurs could always check Shaq by throwing Robinson, Duncan, and even Malik Rose at him, keeping his numbers pedestrian by his standards, while Kobe got to feast on the likes of Danny Ferry, Sean Elliott, and Terry Porter.

I still think they would've beaten the Spurs in 01 with Dirk. It wouldn't be the slaughter it was, Kobe was indeed on fire the whole playoffs, but they probably win in 6.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

this gotta be a muthafuckin joke kobe is nowhere near duncan , the minute shit goes sour for kobe he crys like a bitch to get traded, duncan plays with whoever the fuck he has anever complains

[Ashy Larry]

I think if Dirk had Shaq to take the pressure off him, he would excel in that series as well. The Spurs could always check Shaq by throwing Robinson, Duncan, and even Malik Rose at him, keeping his numbers pedestrian by his standards, while Kobe got to feast on the likes of Danny Ferry, Sean Elliott, and Terry Porter.

I still think they would've beaten the Spurs in 01 with Dirk. It wouldn't be the slaughter it was, Kobe was indeed on fire the whole playoffs, but they probably win in 6.

That team wasn't losing to anyone with Kobe or Dirk. That was the best Laker playoff run and probably the best playoff run I've ever seen (15-1 mark; and the one loss in overtime to Filly). Doesn't hurt that Derek Fisher was like 15-20 from three range in that series either. Kobe was mainly killing Antonio Daniels in that series.

With seeing the way Dirk played in his rookie season and going into a game seven against the Blazers just one year removed, you can easily say the Laker would have lost that game if they had Dirk.

[midnightpulp]

That team wasn't losing to anyone with Kobe or Dirk. That was the best Laker playoff run and probably the best playoff run I've ever seen (15-1 mark; and the one loss in overtime to Filly). Doesn't hurt that Derek Fisher was like 15-20 from three range in that series either. Kobe was mainly killing Antonio Daniels in that series.

With seeing the way Dirk played in his rookie season and going into a game seven against the Blazers just one year removed, you can easily say the Laker would have lost that game if they had Dirk.

I'd have to agree that the Lakers don't beat Portland with Dirk. Kobe was big in that series and Dirk didn't yet have any playoff experience.

[Booharv]

In that 2001 WCF against the Spurs, the real NBA Finals, the best player on the floor in that series was Kobe without question ......

Fish's 15-20 three pointers was the real key to that series. When someone is shooting 75% on threes while on the floor with Shaq who averaged 27 and 13 on his usual awesome shooting, it opens up things for everyone else.

[Supergirl]

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dirk (and to an extent nash) wasted half their careers playing nellie ball. Give some of those teams phil or pop, and they probably snatch a ring.

The dirk-era mavs have always had great talent, but lacked a great coach.

+1

[picc84]

But, son, as much as you dislike Dirk, you have to admit that he's never had a big man of Gasol's or Shaq's caliber to cover up his poor shooting efforts. You know Kobe has played with the greatest talent in the post-Jordan era.

Dirk had to shoot lights out for those Mavs to have any chance. If he was off, there was no Shaq or Gasol to dump it down into for a high-percentage attempt.

Thats what Dirk's 7 feet of height is for. If he wasn't a giant shooting guard maybe he wouldn't need a Shaq or Gasol. :lol

[Zelophehad]

Thats what Dirk's 7 feet of height is for. If he wasn't a giant shooting guard maybe he wouldn't need a Shaq or Gasol. :lol

:lmao at Kobe's playoff results without Shaq or Gasol.

[sribb43]

Dirk - Prime Mike Finley, Steve Nash and 57 win teams ..... he's had good, solid players around him

:lol @ Prime Michael Finley

2001 conf semi game 5

Finley 1-17 fg 0-0 FT = 2 points
Dirk 14-24fg 14-18ft 18reb = 42 points

Even during Finleys glory years, a young Dirk still had to carry his stepback jumper ass

[picc84]

:lmao at Kobe's playoff results without Shaq or Gasol.

Whats :lmao is Dirk having more first round exits in the past 3 years than Kobe has in his entire career.

:lol 1 seed

:lol 2 seed

:lol bukakked by 121-63

[Zelophehad]

:lol @ Prime Michael Finley

2001 conf semi game 5

Finley 1-17 fg 0-0 FT = 2 points
Dirk 14-24fg 14-18ft 18reb = 42 points

Even during Finleys glory years, a young Dirk still had to carry his stepback jumper ass

Let's not shit on Findawg here just because some retard is comparing him to Shaquille O'Neal.

[Mike-in-brazil]

midnight said:

The Dirk-era Mavs have always had great talent, but lacked a great coach.sorry ,but lack of defense did that not A johnson!!( lost in finals)


mingus said:

Kobe had to threaten to leave and he acted like a little bitch in doing so. dont compare him to Tim and Dirk as far is loyalty is concerned.and how do u know what goes on behind close doors?..just because Dirk or Tim never went public....


zelop said:

:lmaoat Kobe's playoff results without Shaq or Gasol.laugh at anyone without out their key players...it depreciates them to Dirk outcomes

[Zelophehad]

Whats :lmao is Dirk having more first round exits in the past 3 years than Kobe has in his entire career.

:lol 1 seed

:lol 2 seed

:lol bukakked by 121-63


:lmao never out of the first round without Shaq or Kobe
:lmao Dirk made it to the NBA Finals in 2006 with Howard as the second best player

[picc84]

:lmao never out of the first round without Shaq or Kobe
:lmao Dirk made it to the NBA Finals in 2006 with Howard as the second best player

:lol 1 seed

:lol 2 seed

:lol 2-0 2-1 2-2 2-3 2-4

:lol 62-61 after 3

[Zelophehad]

:lol 1 seed

:lol 2 seed

:lol 2-0 2-1 2-2 2-3 2-4

:lol 62-61 after 3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/

:lmao 0-1 1-1 2-1 3-1 3-2 3-3 3-4
:lmao what are the chances Kobe would have made "The Decision" look tame by comparison if his team hadn't been gifted Gasol? 99%? 100%? 110%?

[21_Blessings]

Either way, Michael Finley and Mavs era Steve Nash hardly competes with prime Shaq and Gasol.

Either way, Dirk hardly competes with Kobe.

[pad300]

But, son, as much as you dislike Dirk, you have to admit that he's never had a big man of Gasol's or Shaq's caliber to cover up his poor shooting efforts. You know Kobe has played with the greatest talent in the post-Jordan era.

Dirk had to shoot lights out for those Mavs to have any chance. If he was off, there was no Shaq or Gasol to dump it down into for a high-percentage attempt.

Dirk's 7 ft tall and plays PF.

He's not supposed to need "a big man of Gasol's or Shaq's caliber to cover up his poor shooting efforts."

He's supposed to BE the big man who covers up for Jet/Finley/Howard/Nash/Kidd/Whoever's poor shooting efforts...

[JamStone]

:lmao never out of the first round without Shaq or Kobe

Kobe really, really sucks without Kobe, tbh.

[demosthenes247]

Dirk's 7 ft tall and plays PF.

He's not supposed to need "a big man of Gasol's or Shaq's caliber to cover up his poor shooting efforts."

He's supposed to BE the big man who covers up for Jet/Finley/Howard/Nash/Kidd/Whoever's poor shooting efforts...

How many titles did Shaq and Gasol win without Kobe and Wade?

It doesn't really matter whether Dirk is cast as the "big man of Gasol's or Shaq's caliber" or a 7 ft shooting guard, the reality remains that he hasn't had a superstar complement of Shaq, Kobe, or Wade's caliber ever.

[Shank]

I love these threads that go around in vitriolic circles, trying to belittle Dirk's career and accomplishments.

[21_Blessings]

I love these threads that go around in vitriolic circles, trying to belittle Dirk's career and accomplishments.

Dirk belittled his own career by perpetually choking.

[Leetonidas]

What's funny is if Parker and Ginobili never played with Tim, they would never be considered great championship talent. Ginobili maybe, but Parker has sucked in 2/3 Finals.

[21_Blessings]

What's funny is if Parker and Ginobili never played with Tim, they would never be considered great championship talent. Ginobili maybe, but Parker has sucked in 2/3 Finals.

Same goes for Pau Gasol. 0-12 :lmao

[picc84]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/

:lmao 0-1 1-1 2-1 3-1 3-2 3-3 3-4
:lmao what are the chances Kobe would have made "The Decision" look tame by comparison if his team hadn't been gifted Gasol? 99%? 100%? 110%?

:lol we stacked

:lol 2 seed

:lol 1-0 1-1 1-2 1-3 2-3 2-4

:rollin 7 foot Jason Terry

[Dr House]

Same goes for Pau Gasol. 0-12 :lmao

Are we still down for tonight?

You might need to bring your own condoms, I don't think your penis will fit in Lakaluvas. lolz I could barely feel that thing:p:

[Shank]

Dirk belittled his own career by perpetually choking.

Standard messageboard response. Aside from that 2007 abortion, it's been dispelled. What else do you have?

[21_Blessings]

Standard messageboard response. Aside from that 2007 abortion, it's been dispelled. What else do you have?

What else does Dirk have beside exiting the first round to a lowly 7 seed?

[Shank]

What else does Dirk have beside exiting the first round to a lowly 7 seed?

You dumb motherfucker.

[21_Blessings]

http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/dirk2.jpg

What a fucking farce. :bking

[JamStone]

I love these threads that go around in vitriolic circles, trying to belittle Dirk's career and accomplishments.

Doesn't that happen with pretty much every great player by fans of opposing teams? It's not like Dirk is even one of the most hated on players, on these messageboards anyway. Dirk gets a lot of love on these boards especially considering it's not a Mavs messageboard. I think a month ago, Spurs fans even started a thread giving him props for being a tough SOB, and even Laker fans showed Dirk some love.

[sribb43]

What else does Dirk have beside exiting the first round to a lowly 7 seed?

Your posts fucking fail

[Shank]

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/03/12/1205348629_2265/499w.jpg

What a fucking farce.

[Shank]

Doesn't that happen with pretty much every great player by fans of opposing teams? It's not like Dirk is even one of the most hated on players, on these messageboards anyway. Dirk gets a lot of love on these boards especially considering it's not a Mavs messageboard. I think a month ago, Spurs fans even started a thread giving him props for being a tough SOB, and even Laker fans showed Dirk some love.

I know that. It's about the dumb bastards that deserve to be ridiculed for their ignorance.

[21_Blessings]

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/03/12/1205348629_2265/499w.jpg

What a fucking farce.
:lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt: :lobt2:

:danceclub

[Mike-in-brazil]

shank said

I love these threads that go around in vitriolic circles, trying to belittle Dirk's career and accomplishments.they are no more slightly irritating than the ones created to pardon or justify why he has no ring like: no talent...or bad coach etc

Dirk is one of the top players in the league of course u gona have people that don't like him all great players do and?....dude's still is a force...

[Greg Oden]

lol post gasol laker fans trying to belittle a top 50 all time player.

[Amarelooms]

God bless Dirk sons.....a real King. You haters need to recognize and stop being annoying on purpose. God bless

[TinTin]

Mavs would have won against spurs if rick carlisle hadn't forgotten that he was coaching a nba game