Matt Bonner or ?

[Srupsog]

Looking at this years Free agents that fit into the category of 3pt shooting big men I was thinking did the spurs do the right thing in signing Bonner to a long term overpriced contract or should they have went with another more affordable 3pt shooting big man instead that probably would of played close to a minimum contract or at least way more affordable than what bonner got.

Here's a list of 3pt shooting big men from this year's free agency that the spurs could of got for cheap inexpensive contracts, I also threw in the Craig brackins and Luke Harongody bc we could of them via the draft for way less then what we payed bonner:

Tim Thomas
Oleksiy Pecherov
Anthony Tolliver
Brian Cook
Brian Scalabrine
Steve Novak
Craig Brackins
Luke Harongody

So would u guys rather have one of the guys above for cheap contracts or was signing Matt bonner to his contract a much smarter and better decision for the spurs

[lurker23]

Career three-point percentages:

Bonner: 40.5%

Tim Thomas: 36.9%
Oleksiy Pecherov: 29.0%
Anthony Tolliver: 30.6%
Brian Cook: 39.1% (total of 213 minutes played last 2 seasons)
Brian Scalabrine: 35.0%
Steve Novak: 40.3% (31.0% last year)
Craig Brackins: 29.2% (college)
Luke Harongody: 32.6% (college)

[ohmwrecker]

Bonner may be a big, white dope, but he's our big, white dope dammit!

[DesignatedT]

Bonner may be a big, white dope, but he's our big, white dope dammit!

:lol

[Srupsog]

Bonner may have the highest 3pt % out of all those guys, but his bad defense hurts us, his lack of athletism hurts us, his lack of rebounding hurts us and most of all his contract hurts us thats what Im getting at. all the other guys can't shoot as good as bonner, but they all pretty much are better than him in every other category and most of all they all would of cost less than bonner.

[ohmwrecker]

all the other guys can't shoot as good as bonner, but they all pretty much are better than him in every other category and most of all they all would of cost less than bonner.

Not really. All those guys are really awful. Except for Tim Thomas.

[Sean Cagney]

Bonner may have the highest 3pt % out of all those guys, but his bad defense hurts us, his lack of athletism hurts us, his lack of rebounding hurts us and most of all his contract hurts us thats what Im getting at. all the other guys can't shoot as good as bonner, but they all pretty much are better than him in every other category and most of all they all would of cost less than bonner.Yep, don't forget it's not near no damn 40% when it really counts either, he shrivels up and shoots about 25% then it seems. I swear I saw a playoff game and others on boards were saying he did well, I looked and he shot 2-7 (Just seemed he hit two threes).


This thread could say Matt Bonner or SHYT, I would choose shyt.

[Srupsog]

And bonner isn't awful, he's horrible, and if you watch those other guys u will see that they are better than bonner in the other areas

[ohmwrecker]

I'm not defending Bonner, but really, they're not.

[Srupsog]

Yep, don't forget it's not near no damn 40% when it really counts either, he shrivels up and shoots about 25% then it seems. I swear I saw a playoff game and others on boards were saying he did well, I looked and he shot 2-7 (Just seemed he hit two threes).


This thread could say Matt Bonner or SHYT, I would choose shyt.

Actually its "shit or shit", but do you want 12 million 4 year contract shit or do you want 1 year $500,000-1.35 million shit

[DesignatedT]

Actually its "shit or shit", but do you want 12 million 4 year contract shit or do you want 1 year $500,000-1.35 million shit

are you paying for it? why does it matter.

[Srupsog]

I'm not defending Bonner, but really, they're not.

I know those guys aren't great; they are around the same as bonner, but they cost a lot less to fill the role Bonner does and that makes the spurs better, and gives them more money to help the team improve in other ways

[Srupsog]

are you paying for it? why does it matter.

I thought this was spurstalk, don't we talk about anything involving the spurs, like how the spurs can improve their team. I'm a spurs fan, and by overpaying a player we lose money to help our team improve in other ways like being able to offer more money to free agents than other teams.

[ohmwrecker]

I know those guys aren't great; they are around the same as bonner, but they cost a lot less to fill the role Bonner does and that makes the spurs better, and gives them more money to help the team improve in other ways

Bonner is already signed. How are the Spurs going to save money by signing one of these stiffs? We don't just magically get rid of Bonner by signing Scalabrine . . . unless . . . They are the same person!

Duh duh duh . . .

[DesignatedT]

I thought this was spurstalk, don't we talk about anything involving the spurs, like how the spurs can improve their team. I'm a spurs fan, and by overpaying a player we lose money to help our team improve in other ways like being able to offer more money to free agents than other teams.

If we took Bonner completely off the books we still wouldn't have any extra money to spend because we are so far over the cap. It wouldn't give us any extra money for better free agents.

[Srupsog]

Bonner is already signed. How are the Spurs going to save money by signing one of these stiffs? We don't just magically get rid of Bonner by signing Scalabrine . . . unless . . . They are the same person!

Duh duh duh . . .

I was talking past tense, like before we signed Bonner we should of looked at these other options bc it would of saved us money now and in the future. Bonner's contract doesn't help us now or in the future.

[gospursgojas]

Matt Bonner is on our team.

I don't like it anymore than you do, but its happening.

I've accepted it.

Drinking helps

[Srupsog]

If we took Bonner completely off the books we still wouldn't have any extra money to spend because we are so far over the cap. It wouldn't give us any extra money for better free agents.

maybe not this season, but in the season's to come it would of, and now the only way to get something for bonner is trading him, and I'm pretty sure no one is calling to see if bonner is available via a trade

[4>0rings]

I'll take 'or'.

[ohmwrecker]

I'll take 'or'.

Did you see the choices?

[4>0rings]

Did you see the choices?Did you see Matt Bonner?

[Fabbs]

I thought this was spurstalk, don't we talk about anything involving the spurs, like how the spurs can improve their team. I'm a spurs fan, and by overpaying a player we lose money to help our team improve in other ways like being able to offer more money to free agents than other teams.
Nice effort Srupsog, but save your energy.
They lack basketball knowledge and have no sincere interest in seeing a legit Spurs title run.
Direct these types including ohmwrecker here:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153451

[ohmwrecker]

Did you see Matt Bonner?

I did. Like I said, I'm no Bonner fan, but those other guys SUCK. At least Bonner is a decent shooter during the reg. season and Splitter should help get him out of the post for big stretches. Hopefully, Pop won't value his "corporate knowledge" in the playoffs.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I might have taken Novak for the minimum - his 31% last year was on very few minutes and an aberration when you consider his career average. In short, the guy can flat out shoot it.

Then again, Bonner actually tries pretty hard on D and attempts to board (even though he is not great at either), something I can't say for Novak, and Bonner's driving hook is actually pretty effective, something that Novak doesn't have.

All in all, I'm not upset that Bonner stayed, he was just overpaid a little. RJ, OTOH... :pctoss

[NRHector]

Career three-point percentages:

Bonner: 40.5%

Tim Thomas: 36.9%
Oleksiy Pecherov: 29.0%
Anthony Tolliver: 30.6%
Brian Cook: 39.1% (total of 213 minutes played last 2 seasons)
Brian Scalabrine: 35.0%
Steve Novak: 40.3% (31.0% last year)
Craig Brackins: 29.2% (college)
Luke Harongody: 32.6% (college)can you remaind me what he did in the playoffs?

[lurker23]

can you remaind me what he did in the playoffs?

37.0%.

If Matt Bonner (or any of the guys listed above) are winning or losing playoff series for you, then your team probably isn't good enough anyway.

[4>0rings]

37.0%.

If Matt Bonner (or any of the guys listed above) are winning or losing playoff series for you, then your team probably isn't good enough anyway.I missed the walking backwards holding your arms up in the post percentage you quoted.

[baseline bum]

37.0%.

If Matt Bonner (or any of the guys listed above) are winning or losing playoff series for you, then your team probably isn't good enough anyway.

Why would you say that? Danny Ferry was one of the main reasons the Spurs beat Phoenix in 03, and they got a title out of it. Nazr Mohammed was an important part of beating Phoenix in 05.

[NRHector]

37.0%.

If Matt Bonner (or any of the guys listed above) are winning or losing playoff series for you, then your team probably isn't good enough anyway.Bonner just doesn't do what he's supposed to do in the playoffs, make threes and spread the floor, he didn't do it last year and this year either and my team right now is not good enough with Bonner anyways.

[tuncaboylu]

I would get a young guy from Europe instead of paying Bonner. In Europe there are too many long guys who can shoot three. It would be a little risky move, but that player could have a room to improve.

[ElNono]

My question is wether any of those guys know anything about sandwiches?

[Sean Cagney]

Actually its "shit or shit", but do you want 12 million 4 year contract shit or do you want 1 year $500,000-1.35 million shit

Okay I thought it was censored, so I said SHYT, and yes he is shit since we can say that in here and thats for real.

Still though nobody can defend Bonner in here to me, he is utter trash to me sides some threes in the season against weaker teams.

[lurker23]

Why would you say that? Danny Ferry was one of the main reasons the Spurs beat Phoenix in 03, and they got a title out of it. Nazr Mohammed was an important part of beating Phoenix in 05.

Small role players like Ferry, Kerr, and (at least in theory) Bonner will only affect a small handful of playoff games. If those happen to be at crucial moments, then yes, they can potentially swing playoff series one way or another. But they shouldn't be relied upon to bring it night in, night out in the playoffs, as some here think Bonner should.

Nazr Mohammed was the 2nd or 3rd best big man on the '05 team. I honestly don't believe you can win a championship with Bonner as your 3rd best big man.

Yes, I agree, Matt Bonner needs to shoot better in the playoffs. Yes, there are better options to put on the court if you want defense and rebounding, especially when going against the opposing team's first stringers. But Bonner has a role that he fills, and for better or for worse, the Spurs have hired him to fill that role for four more seasons. No matter where your opinion on Bonner falls on the spectrum, I think we can all hope that the rotation ahead of him stays healthy enough and solid enough that he's not called upon or relied upon to fill a role beyond his means.

[DrSteffo]

Definately Bonner > those scrubs. He is the best shooter of them and how can you pretend that doesn't matter when that's the reason we signed him?

[Darkwaters]

Bonner may have the highest 3pt % out of all those guys, but his bad defense hurts us, his lack of athletism hurts us, his lack of rebounding hurts us and most of all his contract hurts us thats what Im getting at. all the other guys can't shoot as good as bonner, but they all pretty much are better than him in every other category and most of all they all would of cost less than bonner.

Good point. Steve Novak is definitely a lock down defender.

[ezau]

Bonner is a solid bench player IMHO. Things get fucked up when he moves to the starting lineup

[venitian navigator]

With his new contract, Is he tradable ?
Last I checked, Bulls want to get rid of James Jhonson...
maybe they could be interested in swapping players...

[Fabbs]

With his new contract, Is he tradable ?
Last I checked, Bulls want to get rid of James Jhonson...
maybe they could be interested in swapping players...
Oh yes, didn't you see the bidding war frenzy by other teams when Bonner and Jefferson were free agents a few weeks ago? And that was before Bumford-Popped gave them the huge contracts.

[cantthinkofanything]

Bonner is already signed. How are the Spurs going to save money by signing one of these stiffs?

Exactly. It would be equivalent to my wife buying a second ROOMBA because it was half off.

[rmt]

I missed the walking backwards holding your arms up in the post percentage you quoted.

:lol This description is perfect. Beyond the horrible contract and choking is the fact that for that money he is going to be taking minutes away from Splitter and Blair and impeding their development.

[cantthinkofanything]

:lol This description is perfect. Beyond the horrible contract and choking is the fact that for that money he is going to be taking minutes away from Splitter and Blair and impeding their development.

So in this case, we overpay for the ROOMBA and have no money left for the mortgage.

[lotr1trekkie]

Pop and RC felt differently. Bonner doesn't really seem like a Pop player. Go figure. I can't.

[20beastie45]

"Bonner for three.....off the mark"

Another Bonner thread!!!
:bang