Weidner (D-NY) on the GOP Opposition To 9/11 Responders Health Care Bill

[Nbadan]

Via: Huff (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/29/anthony-weiner-911-bill-ballistic_n_664568.html)

House Republicans late Thursday were able to corral enough votes to defeat a bill that would have provided up to $7.4 billion in aid to those sickened by toxins resulting from the 9/11 attacks.

In the process, they set off a host of fiery speeches and denunciations from their Democratic colleagues and produced a veritable YouTube moment from Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y), whose district includes many of the affected.



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Sit down and shut up! Classic!!

[Nbadan]

...the shouting continued on FAUX News against Peter King...

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[Nbadan]

The FAUX News host keeps trying to save King :lol

Here is a synopsis..


King, a Long Island Republican, is furious because he believes the measure would pass easily as a regular bill needing a simple majority — but Democrats fear the GOP might attach toxic provisions if they get the chance.

“The Democrats are guilty of moral cowardice and a failure of leadership,” King told the Daily News this morning.

“They put this up on the suspension calendar knowing it’s not going to get a two-thirds vote,” he fumed. “It’s really morally disgraceful… They are letting cops and firefighters die because their members don’t have the guts to take a vote.”

King acknowledged that the GOP — like the Democrats when they were in the minority — regularly tries to influence legislation and even kill it when they get the chance, as they are allowed under the regular legislative rules in the House.

The out-of-power party does that by offering a “motion to recommit” on the House floor which can send a bill back to the drawing board, often with instructions on how it should be redone. Lately, the GOP has attached language on abortion, immigration and other hot-button issues that divide the Democratic Party.

The 9/11 bill, with its emphasis on health, potentially could offer a vehicle to attack the recent health care reform law, though no one has said publicly that Republicans would attempt such a ploy. Republicans already tried to attach immigration and abortion restrictions to the bill when it was being written, and could again.

NY daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/07/king-dems-take-cowardly-path-o.html#ixzz0vBGRKLQs)

[jack sommerset]

Drama queen. Play the violin some more. The Governemnt is not a slot machine.

[jack sommerset]

Be mad at Bin Laden and try to collect the 7.4 billion dollars from him.

[CosmicCowboy]

7.4 BILLION? WTF?

I assume you guys know there is already a 713 Million settlement offer on the table for the approximately 10,000 people involved. That 713 million would be paid out as follows:

The compensation system set up by the court would make payments ranging from $3,250 for people who aren't sick but worry they could fall ill in the future to as much as $1.5 million to the families of people who have died. Nonsmokers disabled by severe asthma might get between $800,000 and $1 million.

Thats what 713 Million buys INCLUDING legal fees.

What the FUCK do they need 7.4 BILLION for?

[DMX7]

Drama queen. Play the violin some more. The Governemnt is not a slot machine.

Why do you hate America, Jack?

[Wild Cobra]

You libtards continue to drink the kool...

Funny how it had good republican support in the committee, passing 25:8 and 33:12, but then no republican amendments passed. There were many republican sponsors who then voted NO.

The democrats keep talking about partisanship. When will they start leading the way?

Bill Summary & Status; H.R.847 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.847:)

Commitee report part 1 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/2?cp111:./temp/~cp111BFcYZ&sid=cp111BFcYZ&item=2&sel=TOCLIST&hd_count=2&xform_type=3&r_n=hr560p1.111&dbname=cp111&&r_n=hr560&dbname=cp111&refer=&&)

Commitee report part 2 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/1?cp111:./temp/~cp111UljC9&sid=cp111UljC9&item=1&sel=TOCLIST&hd_count=2&xform_type=3&r_n=hr560p2.111&dbname=cp111&&r_n=hr560&dbname=cp111&refer=&&)

H. R. 847
[Report No. 111–560, Parts I and II] (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h847rh.txt.pdf)

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 491 (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll491.xml)

The article lies, which is expected of the Huff~n~Puff post. The CBO estimate has a direct spending of $7.2 billion and $10.5 billion pay as you go for a total of $19.7 billion. We all know CBO is usually very low on projected cost analysis:

COST ESTIMATE; June 25, 2010; H.R. 847; James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 (http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=11592&sequence=0&from=6)


Part of the text in the House report pt. 2 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/1?&sid=cp111UljC9&refer=&r_n=hr560p2.111&db_id=111&item=1&&sid=cp111UljC9&r_n=hr560p2.111&dbname=cp111&hd_count=2&item=1&&sel=TOC_259418&):


Consideration of creating the new Victim Compensation Fund contained in Title II of H.R. 847 raises two questions. First, why should Congress reenact and expand the 9/11 Fund, providing millions in additional public compensation to the physical injury victims of the September 11 attacks, while no such Fund exists at all for the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing, the victims of the African Embassy bombing, the victims of the first World Trade Center attack in 1993 or, for that matter, the victims of the unprecedented disaster associated with Hurricane Katrina? Underlying this question is the issue of whether the federal government, i.e., the taxpayers of the United States, are to become in perpetuity the guarantors of last resort for all the tragedies that beset people over their lives. Members will have to make their own philosophical decision as to this first question.

The second question is whether the 9/11 Fund that will be created by H.R. 847 is written in such a manner that it will safeguard valuable taxpayer dollars while appropriately compensating only the actual victims of the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. The answer to the second question is much more clear--the Fund that will be created by H.R. 847 is open for much longer than is necessary (at least 21 years); gives far too much discretion to the Special Master considering the long-term nature of the Fund, which will have a larger set of claimants with claims of much more ambiguous causation than under the original Fund; and the size and unstructured nature of the Fund will make it highly susceptible to waste, fraud, and abuse. Simply put, the structure of the original 9/11 Fund will not work for the Fund that will be created by H.R. 847.

There may be a deserving class of claimants who are suffering respiratory and other physical ailments as a result of their work at Ground Zero. And it may be that the original 9/11 Fund should be reopened for a limited period of time in order to compensate those individuals. But the Fund created in H.R. 847 is not the original 9/11 Fund, nor is it being re-opened for a brief window. We are unable to support enactment of this legislation.
Lamar Smith.
F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.
Bob Goodlatte.
Gregg Harper.

[jack sommerset]

Why do you hate America, Jack?

I don't. Why do you love Bin Laden?

[fraga]

Weiner is GOOD!!! Weiner is GOOD!!! Weiner is GOOD!!!

He is my new hero...this definitely trumps Boehner going ape shit at the last ditch effort on Health Care...:downspin:

[jack sommerset]

You always get this excited when you see a weiner? Faggot.

[fraga]

Easy there skin head...obvious humor seems to be lost on those with little brains...

[DMX7]

The CBO estimate has a direct spending of $7.2 billion and $10.5 billion pay as you go for a total of $19.7 billion. We all know CBO is usually very low on projected cost analysis:

COST ESTIMATE; June 25, 2010; H.R. 847; James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 (http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=11592&sequence=0&from=6)


COST ESTIMATE; June 25, 2010; H.R. 847; James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 (http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=11592&sequence=0&from=6)

CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 847 would increase direct spending by $7.2 billion over the 2011-2015 period and $10.5 billion over the 2011-2020 period.

Reading comprehension fail?

[DMX7]

And those are old numbers anyway.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/117xx/doc11717/hr847.pdf

[jack sommerset]

Easy there skin head...obvious humor seems to be lost on those with little brains...

Indeed

[jack sommerset]

COST ESTIMATE; June 25, 2010; H.R. 847; James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 (http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=11592&sequence=0&from=6)


Reading comprehension fail?

Great stats. Why do you love Bin Laden?

[DMX7]

Great stats. Why do you love America?

Thank you. And I love America because I love freedom.

But I still don't understand why you hate America and our troops. :(

Is it because "they" have taken over and "they" are coming for you?

Yeah, that's probably why.

[jack sommerset]

Thank you. And I love America because I love freedom.

But I still don't understand why you hate America and our troops. :(

Is it because "they" have taken over and "they" are coming for you?

Yeah, that's probably why.

You love Bin Laden. Fuck you!

[DMX7]

You love America. Fuck you!

Why is it so wrong to love America, jack?

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???!!!!!

I just don't understand...:depressed

[bigzak25]

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I'm pretty ignorant about this, but I really like his passion. :toast

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You're a fucking liberal toolbag Dan.

The Democraps have control of the House. They can pass any bill they want. Trying to blame this on the Republicans is about as lame as you can get.

But it doesn't surprise me with you. If Barney Franks fucked a transvestite and got chlamydia and blamed it on the Republicans, you'd post it here within minutes.

[Stringer_Bell]

If the Democrat majority has such problems passing bills now, what makes anyone think that the GOP won't have trouble after the November elections? Dems can just pull the same tricks, and we'll continue to have a useless Congress bitching at each other pretending to get stuff done. There's a gentleman's understanding between both parties, this is par for the course!

[Winehole23]

If Barney Franks fucked a transvestite and got chlamydia and blamed it on the Republicans, you'd post it here within minutes.You already did, without any supporting story.

Bravo.

[Winehole23]

(g)

[Marcus Bryant]

They're congressmen. And media types. Shouting. That is so awesome.

:jack

[EmptyMan]

Loved the passion/theatrics, but let's keep it real...

Dems just being the wusses they are playing the game with something they could have passed for years now.


Hope to see more of this in the future though even if it's just surface game :toast

[Wild Cobra]

I will simply go back to my earlier point. It was an amendment shot down, not the bill. If the bill doesn't move forward, it's the demonrats who are killing it.

Can some liberal show me otherwise?

[DMX7]

If the bill doesn't move forward, it's the demonrats who are killing it.

Can some liberal show me otherwise?

Sure, most democrats voted for it, most republicans didn't. Simple as that.

[Winehole23]

The Dems attempt to wield the 9/11 whip hand.

IMO it's as pathetic and unconvincing as all the previous attempts to make 9/11 and its victims into a political football, including -- regrettably -- my own.

[Winehole23]

(If you really love them, don't make them a prop for your silly bulletin board post. Doing so trivializes their deaths and lives alike.)

[Nbadan]

Democrats are not using 9/11 responders for nefarious purposes, they really want health-care for these heros.....they just don't want the GOP to attach a bunch of useless clauses to the bill...

[Wild Cobra]

Sure, most democrats voted for it, most republicans didn't. Simple as that.
But how did the republicans kill the bill?

They didn't. Did they...

[Wild Cobra]

Democrats are not using 9/11 responders for nefarious purposes, they really want health-care for these heros.....they just don't want the GOP to attach a bunch of useless clauses to the bill...
They didn't let them.

Come on Dan. The bill didn't go to a senate vote yet, and that is the choice of the majority. The vote that is being touted as killing the bill was just a vote for an amendment to the bill. Not the bill.

Can you show me otherwise?

They can still try more amendments, and bring the bill to a vote. Why don't they?

[EmptyMan]

Democrats are not using 9/11 responders for nefarious purposes, they really want health-care for these heros.....they just don't want the GOP to attach a bunch of useless clauses to the bill...

Funny how actually paying for something is a useless clause every single time for the dems.


ahhhh just this once, it's important....just this once, gotta do it.....just this once, lives depend on it...just this once, the fate of the world...


When you operate in the third circle of hell during the good times, you handicap yourself (i.e., the country) when the bad times roll around - even on the simplest of things.