Manu's Flopping: as analyzed by a trained actor

[Samr]

Article here (http://www.saltcityhoops.com/?p=1442)

In short, a trained and educated professional actor analyzes the flopping techniques of several of the league's most notorious floppers -- the focus of that article is Manu -- based upon several different acting criteria.

It's a quick read, and since this off-season is getting boring, the occasional article like that is worth your time.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Manu throws himself into the fray and gets the sh!t kicked out of him. One man's flop is another man's passionate play. I think most of the time he goes down the contact is actually pretty significant these days. 95% of the players in this league don't put their bodies on the line like Manu does every single game he plays.

[Obstructed_View]

Uh, neither of the video examples are actually flops, particularly the one where Bonzi catches Manu in the chin with his shoulder. Since Manu got fouled on both plays, and one of them wasn't called, perhaps the point is that he doesn't get the calls that he should.

For extra comedy greatness, they should post the rest of that Rockets broadcast where Drexler goes nuts on every single call that went against a Houston player.

[Calavera]

Sometimes people call flopping the natural instinct of the athletes to protect their health. Sometimes nba players overreact because they believe there is a foul and they know the refs won't call or see it for sure. In these cases I support the so called "floppers". After all health is the most important thing!

[Obstructed_View]

Sometimes people call flopping the natural instinct of the athletes to protect their health. Sometimes nba players overreact because they believe there is a foul and they know the refs won't call or see it for sure. In these cases I support the so called "floppers". After all health is the most important thing!

True. In addition, I don't exactly see how forcing a ref to make a call on legitimate contact is a flop. Sometimes people call something a flop because they watched it in slow motion, where reactions look artificial because the camera is faster than human reflexes. If you watch Manu getting his nose broken it looks like a flop in slow motion. PS: Manu was called for the foul on that play if memory serves.

[SA210]

Manu throws himself into the fray and gets the sh!t kicked out of him. One man's flop is another man's passionate play. I think most of the time he goes down the contact is actually pretty significant these days. 95% of the players in this league don't put their bodies on the line like Manu does every single game he plays.

[Silver&Black]

Manu throws himself into the fray and gets the sh!t kicked out of him. One man's flop is another man's passionate play. I think most of the time he goes down the contact is actually pretty significant these days. 95% of the players in this league don't put their bodies on the line like Manu does every single game he plays.

Couldn't of said it better myself :toast

[Nathan89]

Manu is on the All-NBA Flopper 1st team.

[Roddy Beaubois]

lol manu

[Thompson]

True. In addition, I don't exactly see how forcing a ref to make a call on legitimate contact is a flop.

What annoys me are commentators who complain about flopping, and then when something like the obvious Fisher foul on Barry happened in the playoffs (non-call from Joey Crawford standing 10 feet away), one of those commentators says 'Barry should have sold it.'

[hitmanyr2k]

Ginobili still has the flopper rep and always will but honestly he's barely flopped in the past 3 seasons. It's not really apart of his game anymore. In fact I would say the other stars in the league (Kobe, Pierce, CP3, etc) flop 10x more than Ginobili these days.

[MmP]

Manu is by far the best flopper in the league. I really was surprised to see him drawing fouls in his rookie years with so consistence. But I wouldn't call him just a flopper, he's smart to use them and work it out with the refs.

[ElNono]

Ginobili still has the flopper rep and always will but honestly he's barely flopped in the past 3 seasons. It's not really apart of his game anymore. In fact I would say the other stars in the league (Kobe, Pierce, CP3, etc) flop 10x more than Ginobili these days.

+1

The whole flopper thing got so blown out of proportion that these days sometimes he can't buy a call, legitimate or not.

[gospursgojas]

You cant hate a players for flopping and then turn around and expect them to "sell the foul".

If refs called fouls fair across the board we would not see this.

[Spurs7794]

2003-2005, Manu flopped like crazy. I hated it...and he got the well earned reputation as a flopper. However, as someone else pointed out above, he stopped flopping all the time in 06 and hardly does it between 06-10 and he's still labeled a flopper. He still exaggerates contact but he doesn't just take a dive randomly anymore. It annoys me to no end when people still label him as a flopper.

[dbestpro]

This thread is a flop.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this article/actor written by an italian?

[Lukor]

Someone post the cp3 360 in here asap.

[Obstructed_View]

2003-2005, Manu flopped like crazy. I hated it...and he got the well earned reputation as a flopper. However, as someone else pointed out above, he stopped flopping all the time in 06 and hardly does it between 06-10 and he's still labeled a flopper. He still exaggerates contact but he doesn't just take a dive randomly anymore. It annoys me to no end when people still label him as a flopper.

I hear that a lot, but there's not much evidence to support it. What annoyed Spurs opponents during those years was Manu's long hair, because he could jerk his head when he took contact and draw attention. Even flinching to protect his face ended up looking dramatic. It's no coincidence that the complaints dried up for the most part once he cut off his hair.

[diego]

You cant hate a players for flopping and then turn around and expect them to "sell the foul".

If refs called fouls fair across the board we would not see this.

this is how i see it, same thing in soccer too. Most of the time, the refs dont call legit fouls so players take matters in their own hands and exaggerate to get calls. Of course there are players that do it from the tip/regardless of how the ref is calling it but I think most times it happens like that.

also, this same reason is why i think its stupid when people call for extra rules against flopping. If the ref saw the play correctly, he wouldnt fall for the flop. The problem isnt more rules, its better refs.

as far as manu, i find it hilarious that despite his 8 year rep as a a mega flopper, all you can find on youtube is those two plays and a bunch of songs/skits where manu isnt even in the play. Meanwhile, other guys have catalogs of recorded flops.

for me, the worst are fisher, cp3, baron davis, and pau gasol. fisher and cp3 are calculated floppers, davis and cp3 i've seen flop in dead ball situations, and gasol spends half the game stumbling around moaning for calls. of course, it wouldnt bother me as much if he didnt get them.

[ElNono]

Fisher and Varejao are far and away league leaders in this dept IMO...

[Obstructed_View]

as far as manu, i find it hilarious that despite his 8 year rep as a a mega flopper, all you can find on youtube is those two plays and a bunch of songs/skits where manu isnt even in the play. Meanwhile, other guys have catalogs of recorded flops.

I've been looking for the last 20 minutes and couldn't find anything either. The Horry flop is there, which was blatant, but Horry and Oberto were great at setting guys up for those kinds of plays. They also show the sequence against New Orleans in the playoffs a few years ago when the Spurs drew three legitimate offensive fouls. Watching that Bonzi foul, he catches Manu under the chin. You can debate whether or not it's a foul, but Bonzi knocked the shit out of him, so it's not a flop.

[TMTTRIO]

Manu has always been a flopper but it's interesting that nobody started calling him the biggest flopper in the league or even talked about it until George Karl opened up his big mouth and started whining and crying about it in the '05 playoffs when Manu was just embarassing them. Ever since then all you hear is that Manu's the biggest floppers in the league even though he hasn't done it all that much in the last few years and that there are some guards now who flop just as much.

[Libri]

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[Trimble87]

I love manu and I love the way he throws his body around with reckless abandon... but he is one of the biggest floppers in the league, and Tony isn't too far behind.

[lotr1trekkie]

"Trained actor" would never get up if he endured a "flop" against Manu. Compared to most players Manu is 'Maximus' from GLADIATOR. You want him in a foxhole with you at the Argon Forest. You want him in the French Underground. You want him next to you on Normandy Beach. He is and always will be a warrior. The rest of this post is bullshit.

[JustinJDW]

Yeah, Manu is indeed a flopper. Always has been, and still is. But so what...

[redzero]

Manu doesn't flop. :cry

[Roddy Beaubois]

Manu doesn't flop. :cry

:cry hes just a great fucking warrior

[phyzik]

Manu doesn't flop. :cry

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u296/emotionless2007/cpflop.gif

:cry:cry

[dbestpro]

Defintion of a trained actor: An actor that does gay porno films.

[redzero]

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u296/emotionless2007/cpflop.gif

:cry:cry

:lmao

Thanks for validating my point, Spurs fan.

So predictable. :lol

[Solid D]

Those are a couple of decent flops by Manu. One of my personal favorite floppers is Pau The Screamer Gasol. I wouldn't be surprised if Pau yells "Hey" in his sleep throughout the night.

Pau got called for the foul on his flop here:
gtB-ME6C6AY

[Spurs7794]

I hear that a lot, but there's not much evidence to support it. What annoyed Spurs opponents during those years was Manu's long hair, because he could jerk his head when he took contact and draw attention. Even flinching to protect his face ended up looking dramatic. It's no coincidence that the complaints dried up for the most part once he cut off his hair.

Manu only had long hair in 2005. And i had no problem with him jerking his head. I had problems with him taking dives when there is almost no contact...which he rarely does now. He now does exaggerate contact (like when he dribbles by a screen, he tends to recoil back if theres any contact...but only with his upper body, so he can continue dribbling if theres no contact) but he doesn't flat out go to the ground over nothing.

[admiralsnackbar]

I have a feeling neither CP3, Dirk, or any of the other famous floppers in the league have ever been in danger of having the nickname El Contusion.

[Obstructed_View]

I had problems with him taking dives when there is almost no contact...which he rarely does now.

Don't recall him ever doing that. He's been accused of it a lot, mostly buy guys who can't figure out how to stop him.

[Leonard Curse]

Those are a couple of decent flops by Manu. One of my personal favorite floppers is Pau The Screamer Gasol. I wouldn't be surprised if Pau yells "Hey" in his sleep throughout the night.

Pau got called for the foul on his flop here:
gtB-ME6C6AY


ive been saying that same thing for 2 years GASOL,KOBE,ODOM,FISHER,HELL NOW ARTEST !! that crackheadTHEY ALL YELL HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! HEYYYYYY!!! i mean DAMN SHIT IS AS ANNOYING AS THIS FONT!! i dont now how the laker fans can watch every game of the lakers when they do this shit!! maybe cause theyre just as annoying they need to make a rule for that crap too the FAkers are the biggest whiners ever!! and they talk crap about duncan:rolleyes