WTF??? Tiger Woods!!!!????

[lebomb]

Those ho's did a job on him and his golf game. He went from the greatest to meh in a matter of months. Right now he is tied for 76th place out of 81 players. DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!! :wow

[DoKdynasty]

It's sad what has happened to the guy, I still think his golf game would be having problems regardless because he was never the same after he decided he didn't need Butch Harmon, but at this point he might never win another major.

This is only worsening the implosion of the golf in general. Even if Tiger didn't have this incident and was still winning tournaments the golf industry would be in huge trouble. There aren't enough people who can afford golf in this economy to keep all the courses and companies in business, but not having that figure to make kids want to play golf only makes it worse. In the next year or so we're probably gonna see some major golf companies going out of business. There's no way Nike's golf brand is gonna avoid going under if Tiger never recovers.

[Muser]

Golf has to be the most boring thing to watch.

[SpursStalker]

That's what happens when you start thinking with your dick ...

[DoKdynasty]

That's what happens when you start thinking with your dick ...
You can always be counted on for valuable contributions :tu

[CosmicCowboy]

It's sad what has happened to the guy, I still think his golf game would be having problems regardless because he was never the same after he decided he didn't need Butch Harmon, but at this point he might never win another major.

This is only worsening the implosion of the golf in general. Even if Tiger didn't have this incident and was still winning tournaments the golf industry would be in huge trouble. There aren't enough people who can afford golf in this economy to keep all the courses and companies in business, but not having that figure to make kids want to play golf only makes it worse. In the next year or so we're probably gonna see some major golf companies going out of business. There's no way Nike's golf brand is gonna avoid going under if Tiger never recovers.

No kidding...I heard green fees at TPC were like $150? WTF?

[balli]

This sucks. I don't play golf anymore, but I love watching it and the two things, literally, that I always wanted to see in sports above all else was Tiger breaking Jack's record or Tiger scoring a grand slam at the majors in a calendar year. He will never do the latter. Accomplishing the former is a lot less likely than it used to be.

I fucking hate Elin.

[CubanMustGo]

Maybe you should fucking hate Tiger's dick.

[lebomb]

Maybe you should fucking hate Tiger's dick.


Yep.............see his mind is all fucked up now. He cant concentrate on his game. He doesnt have that comfort zone of an intact family (with ho's on the side) anymore. Makes ya feel like complete shit when you finish a round and go to your hotel room, without your wife or kids sitting there waiting for you. :depressed

[balli]

Maybe you should fucking hate Tiger's dick.

Tiger's just a man like any other. And like any other trophy wife who was living in 20,000 square foot mansions and sailing the world on a private yacht, Elin should've let Tiger do anything he damn wanted. Including ho rat pornstars when he was on the road.

[leemajors]

This sucks. I don't play golf anymore, but I love watching it and the two things, literally, that I always wanted to see in sports above all else was Tiger breaking Jack's record or Tiger scoring a grand slam at the majors in a calendar year. He will never do the latter. Accomplishing the former is a lot less likely than it used to be.

I fucking hate Elin.

You should hate Tiger for marrying her. He's a piece of shit.

[Bender]

Golf has to be the most boring thing to watch.
I would put it above baseball though.

[balli]

You should hate Tiger for marrying her. He's a piece of shit.

I'm disappointed in Tiger and saddened that he couldn't keep his sex shit together enough to remain clear headed and by extension, to remain as my favorite athlete.

I just plain hate Elin though. She was a c-list model/child-care professional who was plucked from obscurity and given everything. She never mattered to me or the rest of the public in any other capacity until the day she decided she was going to nail Tiger's nuts to the floor and destroy his bank account, his psyche and his golf game. Yeah, he did her wrong sexually; he also gave her unimaginable wealth and security. So, so what? Who the fuck is Elin to me? Why should I care about her getting cheated on? The only thing I care about is that she got so bent out of shape about it that my formerly favorite athlete is now incapable of fulfilling his professional potential.

[to21]

^ Exactly!

I guess losing half of his $ and not to mention all the shit he got in the public about it wasn't enough for some of you. You want the man to suck at his job also.

[Das Texan]

Jack won 6 majors from age 35 on.


Tiger does that and he has 20.


Jack had a 3 year stretch in the late 60s when he sucked as well.


Tiger will be fine.

[mrsmaalox]

Eh, if Tiger sucks it's his own damn fault, not Elin's or the sluts or Butch Harmon's. But speaking of Butch Harmon, didn't Greg Norman begin his downward slide when he separated from him also?

I'm a big golf fan, been to a couple of Master's (including Tiger's win in 2001) but I've never been on the Tiger bandwagon. I have no doubt he's probably the greatest to ever play the game, but his influence on the sport itself is not unlike Garth Brooks had on country music. Big changes to the business of it all, but not necessarily good for sport itself.

[to21]

Bullshit...young and black people play golf right now because of Tiger.

[johnsmith]

Jack won 6 majors from age 35 on.


Tiger does that and he has 20.


Jack had a 3 year stretch in the late 60s when he sucked as well.


Tiger will be fine.

Exactly. I think Jack was 46 when he won his last one. So give Tiger another 10 years, that's 40 majors, and he only has to win 4 of them.

[johnsmith]

but his influence on the sport itself is not unlike Garth Brooks had on country music. Big changes to the business of it all, but not necessarily good for sport itself.

I disagree completely. The general public didn't give a damn about golf for it's entire history, until Tiger.

[mrsmaalox]

Well more people are listening to country music now. So what?

I'll also add that I didn't mean he has hurt golf, just that making something "bigger" is not necessarily making it better. Hence the country music comparison.

[johnsmith]

So you are saying that since more people are listening to country music, that means Tiger didn't make a difference to the popularity of golf?

Sound logic.

[clambake]

about 4 years ago johnny miller said the only thing that could stop tiger woods was an injury or a bad marriage.

[mrsmaalox]

So you are saying that since more people are listening to country music, that means Tiger didn't make a difference to the popularity of golf?

Sound logic.

No. See my edit.

[johnsmith]

I don't think anyone said he made golf better. The sport is what it is. He did however make it a hell of a lot more popular and frankly, a lot more fun to watch because everyone had vested interest in an athlete they had followed his whole career.

[mrsmaalox]

And I think the "general public" still doesn't give a shit about golf.

[johnsmith]

Jesus fucking Christ.

The general sports fan........happy?

[Muser]

lol implying golf is a sport

[balli]

a lot more fun to watch because everyone had vested interest in an athlete they had followed his whole career.
Ding, ding, ding, ding.

That's the issue. I cared about golf before Tiger. I liked athletes before Tiger. But party because of my age and partly because of the longevity that golf affords its professionals, Tiger was the first superstar athlete I became cognizant of at the start of and through the entirety of his career. Vested interest is exactly right. We all witnessed Tiger's origins, all had a long time with Tiger's greatness and we all were expecting more time. I don't know if Tigers been good for golf or not and I don't really care. I just know it's been a hell of a lot of fun watching the guy's career unfold and I'm saddened that it's stalled and I hope he gets it back on the rails.

[BadOdor]

No one's fault but tiger's. What a dumbass. With his money, he should have been able to keep this secret.

[balli]

lol implying golf is a sport

I bet you could pick up a basketball and make a couple shots. I bet you could throw a nice spiral. I bet you can catch a baseball.

But I bet if you tried every day for the next year, you'd have a hell of a hard time hitting a one inch wide ball into a three inch wide cup, 250 yards away, in 4 swings, with a three inch wide piece of metal.

[mrsmaalox]

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

That's the issue. I cared about golf before Tiger. I liked athletes before Tiger. But party because of my age and partly because of the longevity that golf affords its professionals, Tiger was the first superstar athlete I became cognizant of at the start of and through the entirety of his career. Vested interest is exactly right. We all witnessed Tiger's origins, all had a long time with Tiger's greatness and we all were expecting more time. I don't know if Tigers been good for golf or not and I don't really care. I just know it's been a hell of a lot of fun watching the guy's career unfold and I'm saddened that it's stalled and I hope he gets it back on the rails.

True. But he's great and I think he'll be back.

[johnsmith]

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

That's the issue. I cared about golf before Tiger. I liked athletes before Tiger. But party because of my age and partly because of the longevity that golf affords its professionals, Tiger was the first superstar athlete I became cognizant of at the start of and through the entirety of his career. Vested interest is exactly right. We all witnessed Tiger's origins, all had a long time with Tiger's greatness and we all were expecting more time. I don't know if Tigers been good for golf or not and I don't really care. I just know it's been a hell of a lot of fun watching the guy's career unfold and I'm saddened that it's stalled and I hope he gets it back on the rails.

100%

But I'll add that in my opinion he's been good for golf because he's brought notoriety to an otherwise niche sport. He's grown the popularity of the sport (just look at how many courses popped up after he started as well as trying to get tee times after he started). Finally, he's given everyone someone to root for in the sport (prior to the whole 20 whores thing).

[johnsmith]

No one's fault but tiger's. What a dumbass. With his money, he should have been able to keep this secret.

I don't think it's possible to keep 20 different whores a secret even with a billion dollars. Technology makes it rough on a dude trying to bang someone other than his wife.

[johnsmith]

lol implying golf is a sport

You only say that because you suck ass at it.

[ace3g]

The problem with golfers now is they try to shape the path of the ball too much now, when they should be focused on hitting the ball straight; and trying to land the ball on the green near the hole.

[Muser]

Great logic, because I can't do it makes it a sport. If I trained at Beer Pong for the next year I still wouldn't be able to do it, does that make it a sport?

[johnsmith]

Great logic, because I can't do it makes it a sport. If I trained at Beer Pong for the next year I still wouldn't be able to do it, does that make it a sport?

Ok, explain to me why it isn't a sport. What is a sport by Muser's definition.

[mingus]

Woods is the guy resp. for his own shit.

back when all this was starting to come out, i said this was ruin Woods' career and he would never be close to the same golfer after. a bunch of Tiger nut huggers thought i was crazy, but it's starting to look like a good prediction now.

[johnsmith]

Woods is the guy resp. for his own shit.

back when all this was starting to come out, i said this was ruin Woods' career and he would never be close to the same golfer after. a bunch of Tiger nut huggers thought i was crazy, but it's starting to look like a good prediction now.

No one is arguing that point...........however, I still think his game will come back.

[Muser]

Ok, explain to me why it isn't a sport. What is a sport by Muser's definition.

Standing still and hitting a ball with a club is a sport? Where the most movement you do is swing your arm back? I'm not saying it doesn't take skill it obviously takes a large degree of skill.

[balli]

It is a sport because it requires athletic co-ordination, both hand-eye and total body. It requires concentration. It requires athleticism. It requires fitness. It is a competition.

And before you tell me that fat slobs play golf, well, that doesn't mean they're not athletes. John Daly was an All-State high school football player. The average professional golfer's reflexes and muscle co-ordination is so far and away above that of the average person, it isn't even funny. So don't tell us it isn't a sport because there is no running involved.

[Ignignokt]

Tiger woods wife owes tiger nothing. She didn't make Tiger marry her, it was his contractual agreement to stay faithful to him, for all we can guess, she kept her end of the bargain while Tiger obviously didn't.

His wife is an individual and is not compelled to sacrifice her honor for the game of Golf.

Balli needs to get beat senselessly for his stupidity.

[Muser]

Would you class Darts as a sport then?

[johnsmith]

Standing still and hitting a ball with a club is a sport? Where the most movement you do is swing your arm back? I'm not saying it doesn't take skill it obviously takes a large degree of skill.

You might as well come out and say, "I've never played golf", because your post screams it.

[to21]

<sigh> here we go....

He's played golf...he went to a driving range.

[balli]

And stood still while only moving his arm back.

[MannyIsGod]

No kidding...I heard green fees at TPC were like $150? WTF?

Seems standard for a course of that quality. I got to play many courses in my younger 20s that I should never have been on through connections. I loved playing at the better courses in town but yeah - fuck the green fees.

[balli]

I played the course that Kobe was staying in the lodge of when he didn't rape that girl. That's probably the nicest course I've played.

[johnsmith]

Seems standard for a course of that quality. I got to play many courses in my younger 20s that I should never have been on through connections. I loved playing at the better courses in town but yeah - fuck the green fees.

You can ALWAYS find deals........you just have to know where to look.

[MannyIsGod]

Tiger's just a man like any other. And like any other trophy wife who was living in 20,000 square foot mansions and sailing the world on a private yacht, Elin should've let Tiger do anything he damn wanted. Including ho rat pornstars when he was on the road.

Of course if Elin was Tiger's dog you'd probably be supporting her 110%

Balli, your anger scares me. I'm not even kidding. If I had to vote a ST member most likely to snap you would come in 2nd only because Big Zak has chemical imbalances that are for the record books.

[johnsmith]

I played the course that Kobe was staying in the lodge of when he didn't rape that girl. That's probably the nicest course I've played.

I've driven by that course a million times and never played it.


My favorite course of all time is Arrowhead in Golden, Co. The Red Rocks are sticking up all over the course.

[MannyIsGod]

You can ALWAYS find deals........you just have to know where to look.

My best friend was in the hotel industry so we just played for free in a lot of places for him referring guests to a particular course. Best deal ever.

[MannyIsGod]

BTW I've played every major American sport outside of hockey. I played basketball and football in HS, I played baseball as a kid. I played a lot of soccer as well.

None of them ever came even close to matching the necessary mental and physical coordination that Golf requires to be successful.

Golf is fucking hard.

[johnsmith]

My best friend was in the hotel industry so we just played for free in a lot of places for him referring guests to a particular course. Best deal ever.

Yeah, free golf is hands down the best deal.


I try to wait for company tournaments nowadays. I'm in an industry where a golf tourney is standard about once a month.

[balli]

Of course if Elin was Tiger's dog you'd probably be supporting her 110%

Balli, your anger scares me. I'm not even kidding. If I had to vote a ST member most likely to snap you would come in 2nd only because Big Zak has chemical imbalances that are for the record books.

Well, that's cool man. My anger scares me too, but that doesn't mean I don't justify it. What scares me is that the world is a flatout crazy place and I'm one of the very few who see it. I don't see dystopia as a future event, I see it as what we got right now. Which makes me angry. And where that anger might lead me scares me too, but no apologies for that shit. I'm just a product.

[johnsmith]

Well, that's cool man. My anger scares me too, but that doesn't mean I don't justify it. What scares me is that the world is a flatout crazy place and I'm one of the few who see it. I don't see dystopia as a future event, I see it as what we got right now. Which makes me angry. And where that anger might lead me scares me to, but no apologies for that shit. I'm just a product.

Or it's just that this is the internet and you can get away with it here.........just sayin'.

[balli]

Or it's just that this is the internet and you can get away with it here.........just sayin'.

More so than IRL... I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But even if I'm comparatively more subdued and less outspoken when dealing face to face, I'm still pretty radical and outspoken nonetheless. ST sees my politics distilled into outright malice. The real world sees them watered down into funny cynicism. What's going on in my brain is probably somewhere in the middle.

[z0sa]

Is mini-golf a sport? :lol

Golf is technically a sport, but not anymore than horse shoes, darts, or pool is. It does not promote or dare i say require the physical fitness compared with a real sport - how hard does your average golfer work on his fitness? Why would it even matter?

I'm willing to bet the majority of people would prefer doing one of those three things (darts, pool, horseshoes) instead of strolling around clubbing golf balls way off the mark - driving in the golf cart is more fun than that.

And golf costs lots of money (for the clubs, to use the land) and only occurs on huge tracts of private, rich-owned land during fair weather, while real sports can occur in or near your front yard for cheap, mostly year round.

Golf can be fun to watch when the competitors are close and making crazy shots (or the nigh impossible hole in one), but usually it's boring as fuck.

[johnsmith]

[QUOTE]Is mini-golf a sport? :lol
no

Golf is technically a sport, but not anymore than horse shoes, darts, or pool is. It does not promote or dare i say require the physical fitness compared with a real sport - how hard does your average golfer work on his fitness? Why would it even matter?So is jogging a sport?


I'm willing to bet the majority of people would prefer doing one of those three things (darts, pool, horseshoes) instead of strolling around clubbing golf balls way off the mark - driving in the golf cart is more fun than that. Link?


And golf costs lots of money (for the clubs, to use the land) and only occurs on huge tracts of private, rich-owned land during fair weather, while real sports can occur in or near your front yard for cheap, mostly year round. I chip in my front yard, and putt in the house. (how many sports can you practice in the house)?


Golf can be fun to watch when the competitors are close and making crazy shots (or the nigh impossible hole in one), but usually it's boring as fuck. So is NBA Basketball in my opinion.

[balli]

how hard does your average golfer work on his fitness? Why would it even matter?
Again, spoken like a non-golfer. You have no idea the amount of muscle co-ordination that goes into successfully hitting a golf ball. That's obviously not the same as cardio fitness, but muscle tone and muscle memory is a form of fitness too. And professional golfers have more of it and need more of it than your or I or even professional dart players do.

Take John Daly again for example. Two years ago he was as fat as ever, kept breaking his ribs on his backswing, was just about out of the game, playing on sponsor exemptions and was considering retirement. Two years later, he's lost 150 lbs. and was leading (for awhile) at the British Open. Meanwhile Tiger, the most physically fit and dedicated to working out golfer in the PGA, has also been the best at his sport for a decade plus. He's been sidetracked only by mental disintegration.

The idea that physical fitness is irrelevant to successful golf can only be described as grossly ignorant of what golf is.

[boutons_deux]

Collapsing along with Cheetah are 1000s of golf courses, which will save Bs of gallons of water, but cut a lot of jobs for illegals.

[z0sa]

no

Why?


So is jogging a sport?

Marathon running sure is, and one of the hardest sports out there.


Link?

You're confusing my projected outcome with an assertion.


I chip in my front yard, and putt in the house. (how many sports can you practice in the house)?

I mentioned two already, going by golf's standard.


So is NBA Basketball in my opinion.

I'd be willing to bet (mostly due to human nature - our response to fast moving groups of humans) most people think basketball is much more entertaining to watch than golf, especially if you want to compare the entertainment factor during "down times". Cool story though.

[greyforest]

Yep.............see his mind is all fucked up now. He cant concentrate on his game. He doesnt have that comfort zone of an intact family (with ho's on the side) anymore. Makes ya feel like complete shit when you finish a round and go to your hotel room, without your wife or kids sitting there waiting for you. :depressed

wah wah wah what a poor, billionaire :depressed he never did anything to deserve this!!!

[z0sa]

Again, spoken like a non-golfer.

You bet your ass. Fuck golf, and fuck it even more because you like it.


The idea that physical fitness is irrelevant to successful golf can only be described as grossly ignorant of what golf is.

Yeah, it takes a ton of effort climbing into that cart and telling Joe Caddy, "Go."

[balli]

Okay. Par for the course from you though z0sa; try to end the argument by admitting that you're a fucking ignorant, clueless retard. Have fun getting clowned on by everyone else if you keep it up.

[johnsmith]

Why?
It was a game made for children and high school kids to take out on their first date.


Marathon running sure is, and one of the hardest sports out there.
But joggin isn't? Make a distinction here since "fitness" is according to you what qualifies a sport. Is it a sport at 26 miles? Is it a sport at 2 miles? When does it become a sport and when isn't it?



You're confusing my projected outcome with an assertion. So it's just an opinion then? We are discussing the legitimacy of what defines 'sport' and you are using opinions?




I mentioned two already, going by golf's standard.

I have trouble living in a cold weather area and playing baseball outside for more than three months out of the year, does this mean it' not a sport?




I'd be willing to bet (mostly due to human nature - our response to fast moving groups of humans) most people think basketball is much more entertaining to watch than golf, especially if you want to compare the entertainment factor during "down times". Cool story though.

You've added nothing to the argument here. Cool story though.

[z0sa]

Par for the usual with you, you're a bitch who's easily butthurt. I'm absolutely positive golf is difficult and takes much coordination. However, it does not require anything remotely resembling "physical fitness"; the sport never requires you more than brisk walking for God's sake.

[johnsmith]

However, it does not require anything remotely resembling "physical fitness"; the sport never requires you more than brisk walking for God's sake.

You can stop arguing now.

[z0sa]

It was a game made for children and high school kids to take out on their first date.

You'd rarely find such people on a golf course, that's for sure.



But joggin isn't? Make a distinction here since "fitness" is according to you what qualifies a sport. Is it a sport at 26 miles? Is it a sport at 2 miles? When does it become a sport and when isn't it?

You do know I said golf is a sport, right? Just checking.


So it's just an opinion then? We are discussing the legitimacy of what defines 'sport' and you are using opinions?

*gasp* yes!




I have trouble living in a cold weather area and playing baseball outside for more than three months out of the year, does this mean it' not a sport?

That wasn't the only qualifier.






You've added nothing to the argument here. Cool story though.

Another cool story!

[z0sa]

You can stop arguing now.


Golf is technically a sport,

You can stop being butthurt about golf now.

[DAF86]

It requires athleticism. It requires fitness.

When?

[balli]

When?

The President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sport has defined fitness to include the following factors:

cardiorespiratory
flexibility
muscular strength
muscular stamina
agility
balance
motor coordination
power/speed
and
reaction time (reflexes)

I'm not going to walk you through what it is to swing a golf club at 100+ MPH, 70+ times over the course of a few hours. And all else that a sucessful golf swing entails, but if you don't think that 8 of those 9 components aren't major, major, major factors in a successful golf game, much less a professional level golf game, then you don't know a thing about golf. And that's really all there is to it.

You can get out of here with the whole 'golf isn't a sport because you don't have to run' BS. Think beyond the simple, myopic little notion that fitness only means your heart and lungs are in good shape. Unless you golf regularly, I know for a fact that if you went and hacked your way through 18 holes tomorrow and walked the length of a course, you would wake up the next day not only sore, but probably too sore to even raise your arms above your chest.

[z0sa]

Agility is not needed in golfing.

Reaction time is not meaningful in golfing.

Cardio/respiratory factors aren't present in golfing.

Hey, what do you know, the three most common elements to athletic sports aren't present in golfing!

[TDMVPDPOY]

i guess hsi trophy wife aint messing around with no broke ass nigga

[DoKdynasty]

Golf is no less of a sport than baseball or NASCAR.

[KidCongo]

Agility is not needed in golfing.

Reaction time is not meaningful in golfing.

Cardio/respiratory factors aren't present in golfing.

Hey, what do you know, the three most common elements to athletic sports aren't present in golfing!

Three most common elements my ass. Muscular endurance/stamina is much more important to 'athletic' sports than reaction time could ever be. Golf is a sport just as much basketball is.

[DoKdynasty]

And as far as Tiger goes, don't blame him or his wife, blame Nike for forcing its athletes to have a stable family image to get endorsements. Nike knows that their stupid policy of making it important for those sponsored to have a wife and kids leads to tons of infidelity and ugly divorces, but they still do it. I don't fault athletes who have no interest in getting married do so anyway because they'll get significantly more endorsement opportunities and endorsement money.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Big changes to the business of it all, but not necessarily good for sport itself.

:lmao how can you say the changes Tiger Woods brought (prior to his scandal) weren't good for golf? Prior to Tiger the only kids who played golf growing up were kids who belonged to country clubs. It was considered a yuppy sport played only by the rich. Tiger completely changed golf to a sport that way more kids wanted to play and a sport that wasn't so limited to country clubs. Golf wouldn't be what it is today without Tiger.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Where the most movement you do is swing your arm back?
That would be like saying all you do when taking a jump shot is flick your wrist.

[badfish22]

When?

Dude, c'mon

[Sisk]

I fucking hate Elin.

Lol? :rolleyes

[badfish22]

If I trained at Beer Pong for the next year I still wouldn't be able to do it, does that make it a sport?

No but it means you blow dick at beer pong, something anyone can master.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Great logic, because I can't do it makes it a sport. If I trained at Beer Pong for the next year I still wouldn't be able to do it, does that make it a sport?

If you trained at beer pong for a year you would be good at beer pong :lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

BTW I've played every major American sport outside of hockey. I played basketball and football in HS, I played baseball as a kid. I played a lot of soccer as well.

None of them ever came even close to matching the necessary mental and physical coordination that Golf requires to be successful.

Golf is fucking hard.


Agreed. I've played lacrosse and hockey as well but nothing compares to the mind fuck called golf.

[z0sa]

Three most common elements my ass. Muscular endurance/stamina is much more important to 'athletic' sports than reaction time could ever be. Golf is a sport just as much basketball is.

It's debatable, sure. But those three are quite important in many sports. You don't think there's a need for above average reaction time in a game as fast moving as the NBA? That's all rookies, even some international vets talk about when the reporters ask them about their transition into the big league: 'Just getting used to how fast everything happens in the NBA'.

[Roddy Beaubois]

If you trained at beer pong for a year you would be good at beer pong :lol

crofl at comparing throwing a ball into a plastic cup to golf.

[balli]

His wife is an individual and is not compelled to sacrifice her honor for the game of Golf.

Balli needs to get beat senselessly for his stupidity.
So even though you think I'm stupid you admit that there is sense left to be beaten out of me?


http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5568/iwinx.jpg

[Dark Gable]

Tiger will be back on top people. Just chill.

[Heath Ledger]

I wento to a bar the other night and asked for an Arnold Palmer, the bartender told me sorry we no longer serve that drink. She said they now served a drink called a Tiger Woods. She asked if I wanted one I hesitantly said surrrre.

Out comes this guy and he fucked every chick in the whole bar.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Dude is going to finish at least 30 strokes back.

He's venturing into Daly territory.

[bigzak25]

Balli, your anger scares me. I'm not even kidding. If I had to vote a ST member most likely to snap you would come in 2nd only because Big Zak has chemical imbalances that are for the record books.


I walk a narrow path Manny.
But there is room on it for every last one of us.

If and when I stumble,
I will dust myself off, and rise again and continue on that path, as I have done many times already. I will also learn my lessons so as to avoid those bumps in the road the next time.

I will not deviate from the path. I cannot pull anyone onto the path.

I can only walk joyfully for all to see.

It is ironic, that the anger of balli scares you, but only comes in 2nd to the love that I profess. You feel I'm most likely to snap. You are right, for I already have.

God has snapped his fingers in front of my face and I have awoken.

I understand that you have no trust in me.

I have no right to ask anyone for that trust, nor do I want to.

I only state that I trust with all my heart, all my mind, and all my soul in Jesus Christ, and God, Our Father, and that I will forever more love my neighbor as myself.

I realize full well that talk is cheap.

But these days, I walk the walk my friend. I've got the scars to prove it.

If I have scientists doubting my path, then I know I am on the right one.

If the world exclaims that I am out of my mind, then I know I am on the right path.

For I am of this world, just like you, and just like all of us.

However, my feet are now on firm ground.

I am no longer struggling to walk in the mud.

I am not above this world. I am better than no one.

But what I am working hard to be is above the temptations of this world.

This world is a big fat lie. False sense of security in it's ultimate sense.

Ask yourselves...what will you do on that fateful day.

The day when the money is gone...or worthless.

The day when there is no more electricity.

The day when there is no more gas for our automobiles.

The day when you may or may not have running water in your homes.

The day when we will be surrounded by the desperate and the depraved, much as we are now, but on an ultimate level.

When your families look to you for answers, and all you can do is pull out your science book and flip through the pages.

I don't put these questions in front of your faces to instill fear.

I put them in front of you so that you can see the true glory of love.

There will be a day, when the love in our hearts is all we have left.

I say start saving up that love in your hearts NOW!

Start loving each other.

Choose love in everything you do!

Selflessness instead of selfishness. In everything we do!


Do not let the deception in the bible creep into your hearts. Just choose Love. Follow Jesus. The rest will take care of itself. I can promise you that much. :toast

[DoKdynasty]

I walk a narrow path Manny.
But there is room on it for every last one of us.

If and when I stumble,
I will dust myself off, and rise again and continue on that path, as I have done many times already. I will also learn my lessons so as to avoid those bumps in the road the next time.

I will not deviate from the path. I cannot pull anyone onto the path.

I can only walk joyfully for all to see.

It is ironic, that the anger of balli scares you, but only comes in 2nd to the love that I profess. You feel I'm most likely to snap. You are right, for I already have.

God has snapped his fingers in front of my face and I have awoken.

I understand that you have no trust in me.

I have no right to ask anyone for that trust, nor do I want to.

I only state that I trust with all my heart, all my mind, and all my soul in Jesus Christ, and God, Our Father, and that I will forever more love my neighbor as myself.

I realize full well that talk is cheap.

But these days, I walk the walk my friend. I've got the scars to prove it.

If I have scientists doubting my path, then I know I am on the right one.

If the world exclaims that I am out of my mind, then I know I am on the right path.

For I am of this world, just like you, and just like all of us.

However, my feet are now on firm ground.

I am no longer struggling to walk in the mud.

I am not above this world. I am better than no one.

But what I am working hard to be is above the temptations of this world.

This world is a big fat lie. False sense of security in it's ultimate sense.

Ask yourselves...what will you do on that fateful day.

The day when the money is gone...or worthless.

The day when there is no more electricity.

The day when there is no more gas for our automobiles.

The day when you may or may not have running water in your homes.

The day when we will be surrounded by the desperate and the depraved, much as we are now, but on an ultimate level.

When your families look to you for answers, and all you can do is pull out your science book and flip through the pages.

I don't put these questions in front of your faces to instill fear.

I put them in front of you so that you can see the true glory of love.

There will be a day, when the love in our hearts is all we have left.

I say start saving up that love in your hearts NOW!

Start loving each other.

Choose love in everything you do!

Selflessness instead of selfishness. In everything we do!


Do not let the deception in the bible creep into your hearts. Just choose Love. Follow Jesus. The rest will take care of itself. I can promise you that much. :toast

Evidence^ what the bible can do to a normal person.

[bigzak25]

Well, that's cool man. My anger scares me too, but that doesn't mean I don't justify it. What scares me is that the world is a flatout crazy place and I'm one of the very few who see it. I don't see dystopia as a future event, I see it as what we got right now. Which makes me angry. And where that anger might lead me scares me too, but no apologies for that shit. I'm just a product.


If you let yourself be a product of this world,
then you have chosen the wrong path.

Contrary to popular belief, God does not want you to surrender.

God wants you to stand tall, in His name, and for His glory...in Love!

So let your soul rise above this world.

Never give in to anger...for as a wise one once said...that is the path to the dark side. Once you choose that path...forever will it consume you.

[bigzak25]

Anyhow,

as far as Tiger goes...

The man made poor choices. We all do.

The problem is that he is now clinging to the memories of his father.

That is why he chose to continue his golf career much sooner than he should have.

He must remember that the best part of his father was not the golf that he taught him. It was the love that he gave him.

When Woods finally realizes this, he will then see that he should put the clubs down and go do whatever it takes to get his family back.

If that means giving up golf forever, than so be it.

Those are his children, and Tiger's father got his joy by being with his child.

Tiger's true joy will be with being with his children as well.

After a year, or two...or whatever...when he has put Golf 2nd to his family.

Only then, will he be ready to return to the course.

For only then will he truly have peace in his heart.

And it is then, that I expect him to dominate once more.


Otherwise, the only way he can dominate again, is if he embraces the pain and uses it as a driving force. This is the wrong way to go, for he will lose his family forever, and he will be dead inside...but he could dominate on the golf course again...for his glory...at the cost of his children...

I hope he chooses the 1st path, and drops the clubs for a couple years and just worries about taking care of his family. It is what his dad would have wanted him to do.

5NTRvlrP2NU

[balli]

Evidence^ what the bible can do to a normal person.

It seems kind of crazy, at least overly enthusiastic, but at least he isn't using the bible as justification for hating on teh gays or muslims. And at least he isn't creeping around like angel_luv telling all us sinners to repent before we burn forever in a pit of molten fire.

I can get down with a Christian message of basic love and selflessness. And I'm a big fan of Luke 21:9-19. I appreciate it FWIW, bigzak.

[ChuckD]

While Tiger will eventually bounce back, he will never again be TIGER, the dominant player on the PGA tour. He'll win tournaments, but he'll never again strike fear into other players.

[bigzak25]

It seems kind of crazy, at least overly enthusiastic, but at least he isn't using the bible as justification for hating on teh gays or muslims. And at least he isn't creeping around like angel_luv telling all us sinners to repent before we burn forever in a pit of molten fire.

I can get down with a Christian message of basic love and selflessness. And I'm a big fan of Luke 21:9-19. I appreciate it FWIW, bigzak.


God Bless you brother! God Bless us all! :toast

[EmptyMan]

He wakes up every morning knowing he dun goof'd away 700 million. That has got to mindfck any human pretty bad.

[dickface]

I wento to a bar the other night and asked for an Arnold Palmer, the bartender told me sorry we no longer serve that drink. She said they now served a drink called a Tiger Woods. She asked if I wanted one I hesitantly said surrrre.

Out comes this guy and he fucked every chick in the whole bar.

David Carradine just killed himself in the afterlife after reading that joke.

[Kriz-Maxima]

I'm disappointed in Tiger and saddened that he couldn't keep his sex shit together enough to remain clear headed and by extension, to remain as my favorite athlete.

I just plain hate Elin though. She was a c-list model/child-care professional who was plucked from obscurity and given everything. She never mattered to me or the rest of the public in any other capacity until the day she decided she was going to nail Tiger's nuts to the floor and destroy his bank account, his psyche and his golf game. Yeah, he did her wrong sexually; he also gave her unimaginable wealth and security. So, so what? Who the fuck is Elin to me? Why should I care about her getting cheated on? The only thing I care about is that she got so bent out of shape about it that my formerly favorite athlete is now incapable of fulfilling his professional potential.

Now she gets to have all the money without having to deal with any Tiger mess. Good deal for her.

There are plenty of women willing to let their rich and famous men cheat, he should have found himself one of those, make sure the whole thing is clear with her and do a hell of a prenup.

He only has his own stupidity to blame for this mess.

Also, I always thought he was mentally stronger than this.

[Ballcox]

As for golf being a sport or not, imo golf is the most demanding sport I've ever played having played football, tennis, track, basketball through college and I like to do a little competitive walking when I have the time.

The amount of mental focus needed to hit a tiny ass white ball 400 plus yards into a cup the size of a large coffe mug in 4 strokes or less is simply insane on the difficulty meter.

As for Tiger, I've always been a fan of his regardless of his activities off the golf course. I just enjoyed watching him play the game at a level that, unless you've played golf, have no idea how hard it is to maintain that kind of consistency.

I think his problem at this point is that he can't devote the amount of time he used to in the past to his craft. His body has begun to break down more and more, his mental game is in the toilet, and there are now a bunch of young 20 something year old golfers on tour that can hit the ball a mile, are strong mentally, and most importantly they aren't scared or intimidated by Tiger or any other verteran on tour. I used to think him beating Jack's record was just a matter of time, now I have some serious doubts that he'll ever get past 18 majors.

[lebomb]

I just plain hate Elin though. She was a c-list model/child-care professional who was plucked from obscurity and given everything. She never mattered to me or the rest of the public in any other capacity until the day she decided she was going to nail Tiger's nuts to the floor and destroy his bank account, his psyche and his golf game. Yeah, he did her wrong sexually; he also gave her unimaginable wealth and security. So, so what? Who the fuck is Elin to me? Why should I care about her getting cheated on? The only thing I care about is that she got so bent out of shape about it that my formerly favorite athlete is now incapable of fulfilling his professional potential.

So he just cheated, no big deal and to hell with Elin??? LMAO........what? Tiger was having unprotected sex with porn stars and 6-7 other women while he was impregnating his WIFE!!!! And you hate Elin? He was putting his whole family.......... kids included in danger with STDs and possibly HIV. :pimpslap

[CosmicCowboy]

I think people are writing him off a little too soon. Yeah, he just played a horrible 72 holes (for him) but I think most golfers have had bad weekends. I suspect the embarrassing loss will motivate him to get his ass to the driving range and get his game back.

[gatoloco]

The tighter he holds onto golf, the more it will slip through his fingers...just like sand.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

The tighter he holds onto golf, the more it will slip through his fingers...just like sand.

Or star systems.

[MasterYoda]

Or star systems.



ehehehe...wise you are. yes. :lol

[balli]

He was putting his whole family.......... kids included in danger with STDs and possibly HIV. :pimpslap
Not really. Them porn sluts probably get tested 10x as much as the average groupie off the street.

Irregardless, I don't really care. Tiger's kids, don't matter to me. His wife, doesn't matter to me. What Tiger does on his own time, including damaging his wife and kids, doesn't matter to me. The only thing Tiger possesses that I care one iota about is his golf game. A game that is bigger than his wife, his kids, or family values in general.

A game that is currently destroyed because his wife thought that her being cheated on was more important than the sport that made her into a billionaire and captivated millions and millions of people every weekend for a decade plus. Elin's honor is not more important than golf, not even close, and her melodramatic over-reaction to finding out she was just just another trophy wife of a rich, famous, athletic man is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Yeah Tiger made his own bed and he gets to sleep in it, but that doesn't mean Elin gets to burn the house down around him.

[hater]

Both Tiger and ODB like it raw

[lebomb]

Not really. Them porn sluts probably get tested 10x as much as the average groupie off the street.




:lmao ............. the average person doesnt fuck 300 different people in one year without protection. Also HIV has an incubation period.........what if that shit takes hold in between testing??? :rolleyes

This isnt Elins fault what so ever. Tiger fucked up......and it fucked his mind up, which in turn fucked his game up completely. :wakeup IMHO anyhow.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Not really. Them porn sluts probably get tested 10x as much as the average groupie off the street.

Irregardless, I don't really care. Tiger's kids, don't matter to me. His wife, doesn't matter to me. What Tiger does on his own time, including damaging his wife and kids, doesn't matter to me. The only thing Tiger possesses that I care one iota about is his golf game. A game that is bigger than his wife, his kids, or family values in general.

A game that is currently destroyed because his wife thought that her being cheated on was more important than the sport that made her into a billionaire and captivated millions and millions of people every weekend for a decade plus. Elin's honor is not more important than golf, not even close, and her melodramatic over-reaction to finding out she was just just another trophy wife of a rich, famous, athletic man is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Yeah Tiger made his own bed and he gets to sleep in it, but that doesn't mean Elin gets to burn the house down around him.

While I agree with this 100%, it's never gonna be how society thinks. People love to victimize the wives of athletes because they get cheated on, and it's fuckin stupid. It's a great deal for them and everyone acts like being married to an unfaithful pro athlete is some hardship. Yeah maybe these women get cheated on, but 9 times out of 10 the wife of an athlete is a broad too stupid to ever get a job and stand on her own two feet. When you're a dumb bitch who's most lucrative option in life is being a trophy wife, then having a husband who cheats is a small tradeoff for never having to worry about money or working while being able to buy whatever you want without thinking twice about it.

[hater]

:lmao ............. the average person doesnt fuck 300 different people in one year without protection. Also HIV has an incubation period.........what if that shit takes hold in between testing??? :rolleyes

This isnt Elins fault what so ever. Tiger fucked up......and it fucked his mind up, which in turn fucked his game up completely. :wakeup IMHO anyhow.

completely agree. there's about a 1 month window that no test can possibly be used for HIV

[CosmicCowboy]

Not really. Them porn sluts probably get tested 10x as much as the average groupie off the street.

Irregardless, I don't really care. Tiger's kids, don't matter to me. His wife, doesn't matter to me. What Tiger does on his own time, including damaging his wife and kids, doesn't matter to me. The only thing Tiger possesses that I care one iota about is his golf game. A game that is bigger than his wife, his kids, or family values in general.

A game that is currently destroyed because his wife thought that her being cheated on was more important than the sport that made her into a billionaire and captivated millions and millions of people every weekend for a decade plus. Elin's honor is not more important than golf, not even close, and her melodramatic over-reaction to finding out she was just just another trophy wife of a rich, famous, athletic man is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Yeah Tiger made his own bed and he gets to sleep in it, but that doesn't mean Elin gets to burn the house down around him.

:lmao

Don't like women, huh?

Personally I thought the image of her chasing his ass down the driveway with a fucking 9 iron was pretty damn funny.

[balli]

Don't like women, huh?
Look, you (the informal 'you') ask me not to hoot at women joggers when I'm driving by, I'll keep my mouth shut.

You ask me to vote for affirmative action in the workplace, and I'll pull the lever.

You ask me to call the cops when I see my neighbor beating the shit out of his wife, and I'll dial 911.

But I draw the line at feeling sorry for the billionaire-by-extension wife of a professional superstar, because he put his dick elsewhere.

[CosmicCowboy]

Look, you (the informal 'you') ask me not to hoot at women joggers when I'm driving by, I'll keep my mouth shut.

You ask me to vote for affirmative action in the workplace, and I'll pull the lever.

You ask me to call the cops when I see my neighbor beating the shit out of his wife, and I'll dial 911.

But I draw the line at feeling sorry for the billionaire-by-extension wife of a professional superstar, because he put his dick elsewhere.

Theres a big difference between not feeling sorry for her (after all, she DID get payday) and THIS:


I fucking hate Elin.

[MiamiHeat]

I bet you could pick up a basketball and make a couple shots. I bet you could throw a nice spiral. I bet you can catch a baseball.

But I bet if you tried every day for the next year, you'd have a hell of a hard time hitting a one inch wide ball into a three inch wide cup, 250 yards away, in 4 swings, with a three inch wide piece of metal.

That's a skill, not a sport. It doesn't require physical exertion.

Are video gamers athletes now? I'd like to see you beat the world's best Starcraft 2 players.

Are surgeons athletes now?

How about craftsmen?

Carpenters?

Golf is a not a sport, it's a hobby based on acquired skills.

[MiamiHeat]

Video games :

cardiorespiratory - yes
flexibility - yes
muscular strength - no
muscular stamina - yes
agility - no
balance - no
motor coordination - yes
power/speed - yes
reaction time (reflexes) - YES



looks like Video gamers are closer to being athletes than golfers are.

[balli]

If you compare the minute muscular movements of two opposable thumbs, to the massive coordination of your entire body's muscles, (from your toes, to your quads, to your entire core, to your biceps, to your sternomastoids) you are a retard.

If you get a cardiorepiratory workout from playing video games, then you are obese and need to get on a treadmill. Or walk a golf course.

[MiamiHeat]

If you compare the minute muscular movements of two opposable thumbs,

Actually, PC gamers use all 10 fingers in rapid coordination and put on a display of flexibility.

Console gamers use more than just two thumbs as well. Index both index fingers come into play!

and the Nintendo Wii uses a lot more than that.


to the massive coordination of your entire body's muscles, (from your toes,
to your quads, to your entire core, to your biceps, to your sternomastoids) you are a retard.

Quite the overdramatic explanation of "swinging a club at a stationary golf ball"




If you get a cardiorepiratory workout from playing video games, then you are obese and need to get on a treadmill. Or walk a golf course.
http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/01/wii_boxing.jpg

[balli]

Quite the overdramatic explanation of "swinging a club at a stationary golf ball"
In which MH freely admits he knows absolutely nothing about the amount of coordination and total body muscle use that goes into cleanly swinging a golf club at 120 miles per hour.

[MiamiHeat]

lol @ calling tiger woods an "athlete"

even NASCAR drivers, who sit in a car, are closer to being athletes than golfers are. it ain't easy to go through extremely high temperatures in a car and lose 10 pounds in a single race.

[to21]

So no one who's actually PLAYED golf is saying it's not a sport....got it.

[MiamiHeat]

In which MH freely admits he knows absolutely nothing about the amount of coordination and total body muscle use that goes into cleanly swinging a golf club at 120 miles per hour.

In which balli realizes almost any profession could be called an athlete if those are the terms.

Ever tried to understand what carpenters go through? Takes an incredible amount of skill and strength to chop, carve, and bend wood into the shapes you want.

Carpenters = athletes

It takes more strength and stamina to be a carpenter than it does to be a golfer. Not to mention skill. Takes years of practice to be a good carpenter.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao @ Balli defending the honor of golf. Whoulda thought it?

[balli]

:lmao @ Balli defending the honor of golf. Whoulda thought it?

I can't help it that golf deserves it. I don't play regularly any more because it's bourgeois and a big schlep. But I spent enough time in Nike (y'know the sports company, deniers) golf camps as a kid to have profound respect. Especially for professional level golf.

[MiamiHeat]

So no one who's actually PLAYED golf is saying it's not a sport....got it.

so only those who actually LIKE golf are saying it's a sport.....got it

[Ignignokt]

Usually, a Golf athlete is a more of a man than a steel toe wearing spic guido who verbally abuses his gf over cold pizza.

[to21]

so only those who actually LIKE golf are saying it's a sport.....got itNo I play at least twice a month and I know it's a sport....you?

[to21]

Usually, a Golf athlete is a more of a man than a steel toe wearing spic guido who verbally abuses his gf over cold pizza.Or drives a PT Cruiser.

[Homeland Security]

Tiger woods wife owes tiger nothing. She didn't make Tiger marry her, it was his contractual agreement to stay faithful to him, for all we can guess, she kept her end of the bargain while Tiger obviously didn't.

His wife is an individual and is not compelled to sacrifice her honor for the game of Golf.

Balli needs to get beat senselessly for his stupidity.
Balli needs to have the Pear of Anguish inserted into his urethra, opened, closed, and removed, followed by his being left in chains while immersed to the waist in sewage. The infection will do the rest.

[MiamiHeat]

No I play at least twice a month and I know it's a sport....you?

"no I play at least twice a month"

What does no mean?

"No, I don't like Golf" ?

Did you read the sentence you quoted?

lolwut?

[clambake]

Usually, a Golf athlete is a more of a man than a steel toe wearing spic guido who verbally abuses his gf over cold pizza.

boom

[to21]

"no I play at least twice a month"

What does no mean?

"No, I don't like Golf" ?

Did you read the sentence you quoted?

lolwut?

My point is I'd like to hear from the folks who've played golf and hear their opinion. Since it's so obvious you haven't.

[balli]

Balli needs to have the Pear of Anguish inserted into his urethra, opened, closed, and removed, followed by his being left in chains while immersed to the waist in sewage. The infection will do the rest.

Well that just seems overly dramatical.

Why do you feel like Elin deserves something other than contempt? Has she ever done anything to benefit you? Is there a reason you care about her?

The only thing she's ever done to me is hold her husband to a higher standard than she deserved and destroyed his professional career, which was the only thing of his, I ever cared about.

[DoKdynasty]

That's a skill, not a sport. It doesn't require physical exertion.

Really? Taking jump shots doesn't require physical exertion? How do you explain players talking about how tired their legs get at the end their 3 point shootout round. Just like jump shooting, taking a golf swing involves both your upper and lower body. It requires plenty of physical exertion, and it's something that tires out fat people a lot quicker than it tires out people who are in shape.

[balli]

It takes more strength and stamina to be a carpenter than it does to be a golfer. Not to mention skill. Takes years of practice to be a good carpenter.
That is not true at all, and like most of the posts from complete non-golfers, is ignorant and asinine and illogical. But assuming it were remotely true:

Maybe if the day comes when a bunch of carpenters develop a completely objective points-based system of quantifying the merits of their work. And then develop a rules based professional league to oversee competitive events in which said objective points based system is used to rank various carpenters against one another. And then if a bunch of sporting goods companies start making table saws and sponsoring said competitive events. And then if ESPN and Sports Illustrated covers it all. Then you might have something at least resembling a coherent argument, but not really. Until then, you should probably just STFU.

[DoKdynasty]

even NASCAR drivers, who sit in a car, are closer to being athletes than golfers are. it ain't easy to go through extremely high temperatures in a car and lose 10 pounds in a single race.

:lmao let me get this straight, you're saying Tiger Woods, someone with muscles coming out of his skin:
http://themehybrid.com/demo/hybrid-news/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tiger-woods.jpg

is less of an athlete than this fat piece of shit:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/bruce_martin/02/06/tony.stewart/tony-stewart-martin.jpg

[Homeland Security]

Well that just seems overly dramatical.

Why do you feel like Elin deserves something other than contempt? Has she ever done anything to benefit you? Is there a reason you care about her?

The only thing she's ever done to me is hold her husband to a higher standard than she deserved and destroyed his professional career, which was the only thing of his, I ever cared about.

My only assertion was that you should suffer a horrific death through torture, which I described in graphic detail. It really has nothing to do with Elin Nordgeren.

[balli]

My only assertion was that you should suffer a horrific death through torture, which I described in graphic detail. It really has nothing to do with Elin Nordgeren.

Oh. Alright. And, likewise.

[balli]

It takes more strength and stamina to be a carpenter than it does to be a golfer. Not to mention skill. Takes years of practice to be a good carpenter.
And furthermore, if these rules/points based, Nike sponsored carpentry competitions incorporated a field of play, complete with out of bounds areas and lines of distinction between different-in bounds areas. And if they found a use for some sort of a ball. Then, even more so, you might have an even better POS argument, but still not really.

[DoKdynasty]

The "anyone can play golf" lines are hilarious. I'm someone who was fat for most of my childhood, was never the most coordinated, athletic or flexible kid, was on my HS team and played a ton of golf, but even when I got really good around age 15, being fat as shit and just not being a natural athlete prevented me from playing well in high school tournaments. I would always start off extremely well and be even par (or sometimes better) after 4-6 holes, but eventually walking for several miles and muscle fatigue would kick in and I would have my "Blow up" hole, after which it just became about finishing the round. I had all the skill in the world that would make me look like a stud on the driving range or on the practice green, but being completely out of shape and having little to no natural athletic ability made it impossible for me to ever maximize all the skill I had and it led to me getting beat by guys who were nowhere near as fundamentally sound as I was but made it for it by being in better shape and just being better natural athletes.

Sorry about the rant and personal story, but I've played so much golf and and seen so many people use natural athleticism to be great golfers that the ignorant bullshit some people say pisses me off. Is golf as dependent on natural talent as basketball or football? Fuck no. Not by any stretch of the imagination, but just like any other "sport", being in shape, and being a natural athlete with great coordination and flexibility is extremely advantageous.

[DoKdynasty]

Even when people look at John Daley and say "If that fatass can be a good golfer, anyone can!" they don't recognize how much god given athletic talent he has. There aren't very many people as overweight as John Daley who also have the same huge amount of coordination and flexibility he has. Go watch him swing a golf club and ask yourself if you if the typical 300 pounder can contort his body with the ease Daley can. Daley woulda been one of the best golfers of all time if he actually stayed in shape and focused, the man was just so talented and freakish he could take such little care of his health and conditioning while still being a pro golfer.

[z0sa]

In which balli realizes almost any profession could be called an athlete if those are the terms.

Ever tried to understand what carpenters go through? Takes an incredible amount of skill and strength to chop, carve, and bend wood into the shapes you want.

Carpenters = athletes

It takes more strength and stamina to be a carpenter than it does to be a golfer. Not to mention skill. Takes years of practice to be a good carpenter.

lol balli got pwned

[z0sa]

The "anyone can play golf" lines are hilarious. I'm someone who was fat for most of my childhood, was never the most coordinated, athletic or flexible kid, was on my HS team and played a ton of golf, but even when I got really good around age 15, being fat as shit and just not being a natural athlete prevented me from playing well in high school tournaments. I would always start off extremely well and be even par (or sometimes better) after 4-6 holes, but eventually walking for several miles and muscle fatigue would kick in and I would have my "Blow up" hole, after which it just became about finishing the round. I had all the skill in the world that would make me look like a stud on the driving range or on the practice green, but being completely out of shape and having little to no natural athletic ability made it impossible for me to ever maximize all the skill I had and it led to me getting beat by guys who were nowhere near as fundamentally sound as I was but made it for it by being in better shape and just being better natural athletes.


In other words, your problem was not having a golf cart.

That's easily solved.

[DoKdynasty]

In other words, your problem was not having a golf cart.

That's easily solved.
I played plenty with a cart and my muscles still got fatigued quickly. Once again you're trying to talk about a sport I'm 100% sure you've never played, you should apologize IMO.

[z0sa]

I played plenty with a cart and my muscles still got fatigued quickly.

So you are a self-admitted weakling. What does that have to do with golf?

What I'm saying is, how does your anecdotal evidence prove anything? Especially if a 300 pound fatass like Daly proved everything you said has an opposing end of the spectrum?

[balli]

lol balli got pwned

If you think any of the ridiculous gibberish that MH vomited onto the screen came anywhere close to 'pwning' me or anyone else then you're vastly more retarded than even he is. Actually, you are anyway. Quit grasping at straws, I doubt even MH wants to be your friend.


Maybe if the day comes when a bunch of carpenters develop a completely objective points-based system of quantifying the merits of their work. And then develop a rules based professional league to oversee competitive events in which said objective points based system is used to rank various carpenters against one another. And then if a bunch of sporting goods companies start making table saws and sponsoring said competitive events. And then if ESPN and Sports Illustrated covers it all. Then you might have something at least resembling a coherent argument, but not really. Until then, you should probably just STFU.

And furthermore, if these rules/points based, Nike sponsored carpentry competitions incorporated a field of play, complete with out of bounds areas and lines of distinction between different-in bounds areas. And if they found a use for some sort of a ball. Then, even more so, you might have an even better POS argument, but still not really.
What's that about pwnage again? You ass ignorant, bitchmade, man-tits, no friends having faggot.

[z0sa]

If you think any of the ridiculous gibberish that MH vomited onto the screen came anywhere close to 'pwning' me

It pwned you quite well. The bullshit reply you made is pretty stupid, too. MH didn't say carpentry was a sport, he said what you said qualifies it as one.

You're the one scrambling to explain your own words away now. :lol


What's that about pwnage again? You ass ignorant, bitchmade, man-tits, no friends having faggot.

:lol anger problems.

[balli]

It pwned you quite well. The bullshit reply you made is pretty stupid, too. MH didn't say carpentry was a sport, he said what you said qualifies it as one.

Hey retard. I defined fitness. Not sports. Those 9 or however many categories I typed up, yeah, my near exact quote about them was: 'The Presidential Council on Fitness and Sport defines fitness to include the following factors.'

The reason I provided such a definition was to refute the notion that golf, as a sport, didn't require fitness or athleticism. Try to keep up, or read, ya fucking moron.

[z0sa]

It requires neither. Having some definitely helps, but it's not a requirement.

Now look at a sport like basketball where generally, only the utmost fitness is accepted.

[balli]

You are a cancer of stupidity. On this board and in this world.

[dickface]

Now look at a sport like basketball where generally, only the utmost fitness is accepted.

I agree :tu

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID45244/images/Oliver_Miller.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l-H-BiGzoMc/SwSebu-uZ_I/AAAAAAAAAh0/TnFx8OeABvM/s640/eddy+curry+before.jpg

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0206/nba_g_oneal2_400.jpg

http://lowposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/big_baby_shirt.jpg

[dickface]

although your fat beaner ass probably thinks those guys are in great shape.

[z0sa]

Now look at a sport like basketball where generally, only the utmost fitness is accepted.

:lol stupid cuntface. I could draw from a near infinite amount of pictures of basketball players in great condition.

[z0sa]

although your fat beaner ass probably thinks those guys are in great shape.

Why do you hate all non-whites?

[dickface]

Now look at a sport like basketball where generally, only the utmost fitness is accepted.

:lol stupid cuntface. I could draw from a near infinite amount of pictures of basketball players in great condition.

would you apologize first?

[dickface]

Why do you hate all non-whites?

because they're so quick to say they're sorry.

[z0sa]

http://www.deadspin.com/images/2006/04/johndalyteeingoff.jpg


:lmao

[dickface]

http://www.deadspin.com/images/2006/04/johndalyteeingoff.jpg


:lmao

how many more fat pro golfers can you post? can you beat the 4 fat ass basketball players I provided?

[z0sa]

:lmao any sport you can smoke and be a fat fuck while playing is comparable with the other pool hall essentials.

[dickface]

:lmao any sport you can smoke and be a fat fuck while playing is comparable with the other pool hall essentials.

crofl

Babe Ruth - non athlete

[balli]

z0sa's too stupid to know that John Daly almost retired because of his weight, missed beyond several tourneys and had to forfeit his PGA card in 2006. He's too stupid to realize that once Daly lost 150 lbs and quit smoking, is when he regained semblance of a career.

[dickface]

don't worry balli, at some point z0sa will apologize for everything he said here. it's his thing.

[z0sa]

:lol and cuntface will be right there starting butthurt threads about his retarded trolling being smacked down.

[dickface]

:lol and cuntface will be right there starting butthurt threads about his retarded trolling being smacked down.


I'm sorry I said such derogatory things over the internet :cry

[z0sa]

please apologize to me, please :depressed

[MiamiHeat]

:lmao let me get this straight, you're saying Tiger Woods, someone with muscles coming out of his skin:
http://themehybrid.com/demo/hybrid-news/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tiger-woods.jpg

is less of an athlete than this fat piece of shit:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/bruce_martin/02/06/tony.stewart/tony-stewart-martin.jpg
Tiger Woods is in shape by choice, to help his image, stereotype, appeal $$, etc

but Golf doesn't require that type of shape.

That's like grabbing the World's Strongest Man and watching him work as a librarian.

Carrying books doesn't require that sort of strength.

It's his choice. Doesn't legitimize the practice

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Tiger Woods is in shape by choice, to help his image, stereotype, appeal $$, etc

but Golf doesn't require that type of shape.

That's like grabbing the World's Strongest Man and watching him work as a librarian.

Carrying books doesn't require that sort of strength.

It's his choice. Doesn't legitimize the practice
OK you spick faced faggot, answer this question. Do you honestly think Tiger Woods could be out of shape and fat and still be just as good a golfer as he is as someone who is muscular and in shape?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

http://www.deadspin.com/images/2006/04/johndalyteeingoff.jpg


:lmao

Thanks for proving my point, almost any other person as overweight and out of shape as he is would fall over if they tried the ridiculous out of control swing Daly has.

[MiamiHeat]

OK you spick faced faggot, answer this question. Do you honestly think Tiger Woods could be out of shape and fat and still be just as good a golfer as he is as someone who is muscular and in shape?

He could be.

Golf doesn't require you to be an athlete. That's why 48 year old men can win Major tournaments.

Slightly bending over and using your body weight, back and arm strength to swing at a stationary ball, then getting into a golf cart and being taken to do it again, does not an athlete make. Janitor's at your local campus work harder than that.

Now, if you want to get TECHNICAL and start saying that "Sport" is a general term, then fine, but just remember Video Gamers are included.

[z0sa]

Eh, I think it proves fatass smokers can excel at golf more than the average fit joe playing the local course, personally.

[z0sa]

Except Oliver Miller wasn't morbidly obese, or even nearly as fat as Daly (at least during his playing time). You're looking at the same humongous overhanging gut I am, right?

Oh and lol thinking height has nothing to do with it. In the NBA, athletic talent (in this case, height) is required.

[BadOdor]

Lol golf.

[BadOdor]

And yes, before you point it out, I know I'm agreeing with the poster boy for creationist stupidity.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Slightly bending over and using your body weight, back and arm strength to swing at a stationary ball, then getting into a golf cart and being taken to do it again, does not an athlete make.
Almost all the power in a proper golf swing is generated by the lower body, more proof you have no idea what you're talking about. And as Anthony Randolph said, all but 1 pro golfer can't use a cart when they play. The cart argument is bullshit.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Oh and lol thinking height has nothing to do with it. In the NBA, athletic talent (in this case, height) is required.

You're beyond stupid if you can't see how being tall gives one an advantage at golf. This isn't like NASCAR where Jeff Gordon is like 4'11".

[lebomb]

You're beyond stupid if you can't see how being tall gives one an advantage at golf. This isn't like NASCAR where Jeff Gordon is like 4'11".


Nothing gives a person an advantage in golf. There are short guys that are way better than tall guys. Its all about skill and the mental aspect of the game. Physic doesn't really matter at all.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nothing gives a person an advantage in golf. There are short guys that are way better than tall guys. Its all about skill and the mental aspect of the game. Physic doesn't really matter at all.

:lmao there are short guys who are better than tall guys at basketball, does that mean height doesn't give someone an advantage at basketball? If you don't think physical talent such as flexibility, height and coordination doesn't have anything to do with golf, then you're either retarded or you attended UTSA.

lol UTSA

[lebomb]

:lmao there are short guys who are better than tall guys at basketball, does that mean height doesn't give someone an advantage at basketball? If you don't think physical talent such as flexibility, height and coordination doesn't have anything to do with golf, then you're either retarded or you attended UTSA.

lol UTSA


Damn you are stupid.........and the lol Utsa is just as stupid, because you can ask any golfer if height gives you an advantage and they will tell you FUCK NO idiot!!!! Do you even play golf? :rolleyes

[lebomb]

What matters WAY more in golf is technique.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Damn you are stupid.........and the lol Utsa is just as stupid, because you can ask any golfer if height gives you an advantage and they will tell you FUCK NO idiot!!!! Do you even play golf? :rolleyes

At my best I was around a 5 handicap and have played for most of my life. Granted I've only played a few times in the last 2 years, I'm quite confident I'd win a match against you handedly, so yes, I know plenty about golf.

Just curious, how many golfers have you asked whether or not height is advantageous, and do you even play golf?

[lebomb]

At my best I was around a 5 handicap and have played for most of my life. Granted I've only played a few times in the last 2 years, I'm quite confident I'd win a match against you handedly, so yes, I know plenty about golf.

Just curious, how many golfers have you asked whether or not height is advantageous, and do you even play golf?


Never asked..........but, I will tell you this. Some of the best golfers Ive ever seen or played are 5'-9" - 6'. Now if height mattered, how come there are no 6'-5" or taller players that rule the golf world? You should know that technique matter more than anything when it comes to golf. Especially since you play and appear to be pretty good.

Hell, I know a golfer right now that is damn near 75yrs old, who is unable to do much work because of back issues...........he always hits low 80's and dips into the 70's. He is only 5'-9". :toast

Shit, I will make a poll.

[paparazzi]

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LPGA+State+Farm+Classic+Final+Round+6TzHeahrJNll.j pg

[lebomb]

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LPGA+State+Farm+Classic+Final+Round+6TzHeahrJNll.j pg

NICE!!! I love golf. :hat

[EmptyMan]

Golf is not a Sport. How many times must this be rehashed.

It's good to have something that gets you up and about when you reach your 80's though. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Golf, IMO, is a sport but to each his own. There are out of shape athletes in every sport. Hell, some can't even pass a test to practice in the NFL.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Never asked..........but, I will tell you this. Some of the best golfers Ive ever seen or played are 5'-9" - 6'. Now if height mattered, how come there are no 6'-5" or taller players that rule the golf world? You should know that technique matter more than anything when it comes to golf. Especially since you play and appear to be pretty good.
Hell, I know a golfer right now that is damn near 75yrs old, who is unable to do much work because of back issues...........he always hits low 80's and dips into the 70's. He is only 5'-9". :toast

Shit, I will make a poll.

I never said technique wasn't a lot more important than height, it obviously is. I said being tall is advantageous in golf, and most of the time it is. The taller someone is, the easier it is for them to generate club speed and consequently the easier it is to get distance. It's the same concept as tall pitchers in baseball, the longer the arm the more velocity the pitcher can get. Yes, pitching fundamentals are 100x more important than height, and some of the best pitchers in baseball (Roy Oswalt, Tim Lincecum) are on the short side, but it's obvious that being tall generally makes someone capable of being a better pitcher.

This is a very small sample size, but look at the heights of the top 7 moneymakers so far this year:

1. Ernie Els 6'3"
2. Jeff Overton 6'4"
3. Phil Mickelson 6'3"
4. Hunter Mahan 5'11"
5. Jim Furyk 6'2"
6. Justin Rose 6'3"
7. Steve Stricker 6'0"

http://www.pgatour.com/players/02/97/18/

The average height of that group is around 6'2". The average male height is somewhere between 5'8" - 5'10". Are you saying it's just coincidence that group's mean height is 4-6 inches taller than the average male height?

As far as your 6'5" question goes, it's probably related to coordination. The typical 6'5+" guy is uncoordinated, awkward, and probably struggles to build muscle memory in any sort of thing. Considering putting is 5% technique, 5% mental/golf IQ and 90% building muscle memory (if you think I'm making that up just look at how many different putting forms pros use, there's no putting form that is universally known as fundamentally correct), it's something the average gangly uncoordinated 6'5"+ guy would do terribly at.

[lebomb]

I never said technique wasn't a lot more important than height, it obviously is. I said being tall is advantageous in golf, and most of the time it is. The taller someone is, the easier it is for them to generate club speed and consequently the easier it is to get distance. It's the same concept as tall pitchers in baseball, the longer the arm the more velocity the pitcher can get.

This is a very small sample size, but look at the heights of the top 7 moneymakers so far this year:

1. Ernie Els 6'3"
2. Jeff Overton 6'4"
3. Phil Mickelson 6'3"
4. Hunter Mahan 5'11"
5. Jim Furyk 6'2"
6. Justin Rose 6'3"
7. Steve Stricker 6'0"

http://www.pgatour.com/players/02/97/18/

The average height of that group is around 6'2". The average male height is somewhere between 5'8" - 5'10". Are you saying it's just coincidence that group's mean height is 4-6 inches taller than the average male height?

I got ya, but what about the other golfers that are short and are really successful? Anthony Kim, Casey Anthony among them. Also, many golfers area NOT physically fit at all. Phil Mickelson has a bigger rack than most women. :lmao Also, that list is current, what has been the trend over the history of golf? I think if you are good, you are good............short, tall, fat, big tits......whatever. *shrugs*

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I got ya, but what about the other golfers that are short and are really successful? Anthony Kim, Casey Anthony among them. Also, many golfers area NOT physically fit at all. Phil Mickelson has a bigger rack than most women. :lmao Also, that list is current, what has been the trend over the history of golf? I think if you are good, you are good............short, tall, fat, big tits......whatever. *shrugs*

Sorry I edited my post to put a good comparison in there.

Phil Mickelson is still overweight, but he used to be a lot bigger and his weight has always hurt him. There have several majors (most notably the US Open at Winged Foot) where it was his tournament to win at some point in the final round. Unfortunately, all the walking/swinging he had been doing the week of said majors always took a toll on his lower body before the end of the final round. When someone's legs are shot, they start taking longer, eratic swings to compensate for the lack of club speed they can generate with their lower body. This leads to shots like the one Mickelson hit off the 18th tee at Winged Foot.

[z0sa]

You're beyond stupid if you can't see how being tall gives one an advantage at golf. This isn't like NASCAR where Jeff Gordon is like 4'11".

Do you understand context? No one is arguing about whether height is a factor in golf. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or physician to know that taller generally = bigger body = able to swing a club harder. What I said, was that Oliver Miller being overweight isn't some shining beacon for that fat guy at the rec center so he's thinking he has a chance at the pros. Miller was near 6'10 even if he was overweight. You can't say the same for Daly or golf.

[leemajors]

Do you understand context? No one is arguing about whether height is a factor in golf. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or physician to know that taller generally = bigger body = able to swing a club harder. What I said, was that Oliver Miller being overweight isn't some shining beacon for that fat guy at the rec center so he's thinking he has a chance at the pros. Miller was near 6'10 even if he was overweight. You can't say the same for Daly or golf.

Power in golf generally comes down to how far past the angle your hips turn your shoulders are able to turn. This, along with flexibility, decreases as you get older, and your power decreases. Swing speed is a factor, but that is also related to how far you can turn. Actively trying to swing harder since you are strong or tall doesn't help at all. You can retain a high swing speed and have it appear effortless.

[leemajors]

Sorry I edited my post to put a good comparison in there.

Phil Mickelson is still overweight, but he used to be a lot bigger and his weight has always hurt him. There have several majors (most notably the US Open at Winged Foot) where it was his tournament to win at some point in the final round. Unfortunately, all the walking/swinging he had been doing the week of said majors always took a toll on his lower body before the end of the final round. When someone's legs are shot, they start taking longer, eratic swings to compensate for the lack of club speed they can generate with their lower body. This leads to shots like the one Mickelson hit off the 18th tee at Winged Foot.

Yup, he started sliding his hips instead of turning them. Usually results in a push.

[Dark Gable]

I have hopes that he'll be working with a new swing coach to get his golf game back on track. Anything to keep Phil from the top spot.

[balli]

This leads to shots like the one Mickelson hit off the 18th tee at Winged Foot.
These people don't understand the reference. They don't understand the basic, fundamental rules or mechanics of the game. They know nothing about common knowledge inherent to the PGA. And the thesis of their argument seems to be that golf isn't basketball???

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Do you understand context? No one is arguing about whether height is a factor in golf. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or physician to know that taller generally = bigger body = able to swing a club harder.
Sorry misread your original quote.


said, was that Oliver Miller being overweight isn't some shining beacon for that fat guy at the rec center so he's thinking he has a chance at the pros.
And it's not like John Daly is a shining beacon for the fat out of shape regular at the local municipal course so he's thinking he has a chance at being a pro.

Any experienced golfer knows that Daly's swing has too many jacked up fundamental flaws to count. The picture you posted shows several examples of that by itself. Daly isn't some unathletic, untalented hack who was able to master the fundamentals of golf since apparently as so many non-golfers have said in this thread you don't need any athleticism to play golf, he's a lazy guy who found a sport that comes naturally to him and is also a sport where he can get away with being fat.

No one is trying to say golfers needs athleticism and good fitness just as much as basketball players do, I'm saying the notion that being in shape and flexible/coordinated/quicker/however you wanna define athletic does nothing to make you a better golfer is stupid. Golf is more skill based and less talent based than basketball (to a large degree), but it's still a sport that comes easier to the "natural athlete" than to someone who isn't as flexible, as big or as coordinated.

There are a tiny number of people like Oliver Miller, Dejuan Blair and Glen Davis who have been/were able to maintain an NBA career while being out of shape and fat (even someone like Shaq who was such a freak athlete he could lead a HoF career while never caring about conditioning), and in almost all cases, they would have been way better basketball players had they cared about being in shape.

There are people like CC Sabathia, Livan Hernandez, and David Wells who were/are able to be fat and still pitch at a major league level, and just like Oliver Miller or Glen Davis, them being fat hurt their ability to pitch and they would have been/would be even better if they cared about being in good physical shape.

Likewise, there are people like John Daly and to a lesser extent Phil Mickelson who are able to be fat and still be professional tour golfers. At the same time, being out of shape and fat has cost them tournaments and given them swing problems they would not have had if they were in good shape.

[nkdlunch]

http://sports.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/natalie-gulbis8.jpg
http://www.ingolfwetrust.com/golf-central/content/binary/Maria-Verchenova-Golf1.jpg
http://0.tqn.com/d/golf/1/0/v/F/1/seema_sadekar_3.jpg
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1565/slide_1565_21790_large.jpg

[JoeChalupa]

Looks like Tiger is getting his mojo back. He's in the lead in the PGA championship and -3 thru 5 holes. :tu yeah, it is early but a good sign.

[lebomb]

Looks like Tiger is getting his mojo back. He's in the lead in the PGA championship and -3 thru 5 holes. :tu yeah, it is early but a good sign.

X2

If he wins this tourney, all the Tiger "falling off" talk will disappear.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Either Foley worked a miracle or Tiger went out and got laid.

[CubanMustGo]

Looks like Tiger is getting his mojo back. He's in the lead in the PGA championship and -3 thru 5 holes. :tu yeah, it is early but a good sign.

Back to -1 after bogeying the par 5 2nd (his 11th hole). Very important for his psyche to keep it in red numbers today. Leaders are currently at -4.

[DoKdynasty]

God damn this guy used to NEVER bogey par 5's. When he was on his game they were automatic birdies.

[lebomb]

God damn this guy used to NEVER bogey par 5's. When he was on his game they were automatic birdies.

............or Eagles

[ididnotnothat]

Looks like Tiger will keep his #1 ranking.

[CubanMustGo]

Looks like Tiger will keep his #1 ranking.

#1 in the world, #108 in FedEx Cup standings, lodged between Corey Pavin (who has actually played one fewer tournament than Tiger) and Justin Leonard.