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DarrinS
08-09-2010, 09:43 AM
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html


We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation







Last week, a journalist who writes for the North Country Times, a small newspaper in Southern California, sent us an e-mail titled "Help." He couldn't understand why an Islamic Centre in an area where Adam Gadahn, Osama bin Laden's American spokesman came from, and that was home to three of the 911 terrorists, was looking to expand.

The man has a very valid point, which leads to the ongoing debate about building a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York. When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?

New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna"

So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the "Cordoba Initiative" and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?

Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.

It's a repugnant thought that $100 million would be brought into the United States rather than be directed at dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan.

Let's not forget that a mosque is an exclusive place of worship for Muslims and not an inviting community centre. Most Americans are wary of mosques due to the hard core rhetoric that is used in pulpits. And rightly so. As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain.

The Koran implores Muslims to speak the truth, even if it hurts the one who utters the truth. Today we speak the truth, knowing very well Muslims have forgotten this crucial injunction from Allah.

If this mosque does get built, it will forever be a lightning rod for those who have little room for Muslims or Islam in the U.S. We simply cannot understand why on Earth the traditional leadership of America's Muslims would not realize their folly and back out in an act of goodwill.

As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill.

Unfortunately for us, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within.

hater
08-09-2010, 09:51 AM
truth has been spoken!

NYC is the new Jerusalem

Spurminator
08-09-2010, 10:02 AM
Contrary to popular opinion, Muslims are not a monolithic religious organization made up of a billion followers who share identical opinions. No doubt there are some Muslims who feel the proposed community center is provocative and in poor taste. But whether that's the actual motivation or not is irrelevant.

Ignignokt
08-09-2010, 10:04 AM
Contrary to popular opinion, Muslims are not a monolithic religious organization made up of a billion followers who share identical opinions. No doubt there are some Muslims who feel the proposed community center is provocative and in poor taste. But whether that's the actual motivation or not is irrelevant.

Yet you've been an asshole in calling people who think likewise as being bigoted.

George Gervin's Afro
08-09-2010, 10:08 AM
Contrary to popular opinion, Muslims are not a monolithic religious organization made up of a billion followers who share identical opinions. No doubt there are some Muslims who feel the proposed community center is provocative and in poor taste. But whether that's the actual motivation or not is irrelevant.

The article makes the case that they speak for all Muslims.. all 2 + billion of them... are you telling me that they don't speak for all muslims? You better tell darrins that...

Spurminator
08-09-2010, 10:27 AM
Yet you've been an asshole in calling people who think likewise as being bigoted.

I never said bigoted, I said prejudiced. There is an implicit difference.

And there's obviously a difference between Muslims questioning the motivation behind such a project and non-Muslims claiming it's a slap in the face. I'm all for Muslims having a dialogue on the appropriateness of such a project.

Hell, I'm all for non-Muslims talking about it as well. It's a free country. Just understand that if you're a non-Muslim claiming that the construction of a mosque constitutes an insult to 9/11 victims, you're implying that all Muslims, by virtue of their chosen religion, should sacrifice some amount of their rights as a result of the actions of a radical few who share some of their religious beliefs. That's prejudice.

Ignignokt
08-09-2010, 11:04 AM
I never said bigoted, I said prejudiced. There is an implicit difference.

And there's obviously a difference between Muslims questioning the motivation behind such a project and non-Muslims claiming it's a slap in the face. I'm all for Muslims having a dialogue on the appropriateness of such a project.

Hell, I'm all for non-Muslims talking about it as well. It's a free country. Just understand that if you're a non-Muslim claiming that the construction of a mosque constitutes an insult to 9/11 victims, you're implying that all Muslims, by virtue of their chosen religion, should sacrifice some amount of their rights as a result of the actions of a radical few who share some of their religious beliefs. That's prejudice.

Please tell me Mr Clairvoyant why you've think you know the motives of a bunch of individuals concerning their dislike of the mosque.lol

TeyshaBlue
08-09-2010, 11:11 AM
That's a pretty interesting viewpoint when framed within the context of Fitna. I am, as are the majority of Americans, profoundly ignorant of the teachings of the Koran and the many levels of interpretation therein. To hear a viewpoint espoused by a believer is fairly educating.
I won't buy into the arguement that he represents all Muslims or the opposite wherein he doesn't represent any.

ElNono
08-09-2010, 11:43 AM
A couple of tolerant muslims with an opinion... who would have thought those existed? :rolleyes

Spurminator
08-09-2010, 11:45 AM
Please tell me Mr Clairvoyant why you've think you know the motives of a bunch of individuals concerning their dislike of the mosque.lol

I'm not sure what your asking. I don't know anyone's motives, and I don't think most people's dislike has anything to do with motives.