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SomeCallMeTim

08-09-2010, 07:22 PM

Oh, I'm thinking Minny gets this one.

Kurt Rambis gonna be feeling the hot seat come December. Which will come in handy with that Minneapolis winter.

Nets will be better.

Cavs may be a trendy pick to suck but I think they fight around .500 and quite possibly could even grab 45 wins if things break right. Byron Scott could well get COY for pulling the "miracle" of the Cavs not sucking. Kind of like how Doc Rivers won COY for his job with the 41-41 Magic in 2000, which was pretty ridiculous IMO.

DPG21920

08-09-2010, 07:27 PM

Cavs are going to be terrible. No more than 20 wins. Mo is going to whine all year long.

Venti Quattro

08-09-2010, 07:29 PM

Cavs won't make the playoffs but they won't suck so bad. 36-39 wins.

Or maybe it's just me thinking that.

JMarkJohns

08-09-2010, 07:31 PM

Timberwolves no more than 20 wins, Cavaliers maybe 20 wins. Them's the legit contenders for worst team.

DPG21920

08-09-2010, 07:35 PM

A sleeper for suckiest team is Toronto.

SomeCallMeTim

08-09-2010, 07:41 PM

Cavs are going to be terrible. No more than 20 wins. Mo is going to whine all year long.

Think so, huh? Sub-21-win-teams are actually pretty rare. An average of less than 2 teams per season have failed to win that many games in the last decade.

I'll take the over -- way over.

SomeCallMeTim

08-09-2010, 07:45 PM

A sleeper for suckiest team is Toronto.

Good call. Now that's a team I can agree on. Losing Bosh hurt. They better pray Ed Davis is a beast because the rest of that rotation is heavy on trash.

Venti Quattro

08-09-2010, 07:50 PM

Which team won the least wins and still got on the playoffs? Were the 37-45 Hawks the worst playoff-clinching team?

TheKingOfMIA6

08-09-2010, 08:56 PM

One of these teams:

Nets
Raptors
Wolves
Cavs

anonoftheinternets

08-09-2010, 09:05 PM

its gotta be the wolves

DPG21920

08-09-2010, 09:21 PM

SomeCallMeTim

08-09-2010, 09:32 PM

They will be one of them. They have very limited talent, a whiner in Mo Williams and Lebron ripped their hearts out.

I think the LeBron factor will work the opposite way. It will motivate them. This is a team full of guys with a lot to prove. I know Byron Scott has gotten ripped by plenty of fans (and Kidd) but I think he's a decent coach and will know how to keep them focused and using that us-against-them mentality to make the team stronger.

Motivation only goes so far though, you need talent to win games. Fortunately for Cleveland, they do have talent -- the supporting cast was way underrated. Varejao, Moon, Jamison were all very good players last year and Parker, Hickson, and Mo were pretty good themselves. Losing LeBron hurts big time, of course... he's probably a loss of 25 wins all by himself. But they also ditched their worst performer in Z so that helps a bit in mitigating the loss of Shaq and West who both were helpful.

DPG21920

08-09-2010, 09:38 PM

Dude, who is their number one offensive option? Jamison? Mo? You can't win like that.

Darrin

08-09-2010, 09:47 PM

Toronto Raptors

2pac > Kobe

08-09-2010, 10:10 PM

So cavs went from the deepest team with lebron shaq and Z to not making the playoffs

They are gonna be #5 next year WATCH

SomeCallMeTim

08-09-2010, 10:12 PM

Dude, who is their number one offensive option? Jamison? Mo? You can't win like that.

You said it yourself. Probably Mo, then Jamison. Hickson should get some serious run this year and a chance to prove whether he deserves the love the FO gave him.

We'll have a chance to see whether they can win "like that" or not.

SouthTexasRancher

08-09-2010, 11:28 PM

Not to be going out on a limb here, but I think the Spurs are in the top 10 worst teams.

So you are saying that the lakers are in the top 11 worst teams in the NBA...?

SouthTexasRancher

08-09-2010, 11:29 PM

lol luva getting his troll on.

C'mon man, luva always has his troll on. He thinks it is a dildo.

Cry Havoc

08-09-2010, 11:33 PM

The Cavs will win around 25 games this year, IMO. They might start strong from determination, but fade down the stretch as their lack of talent destroys their cohesion.

TheKingOfMIA6

08-09-2010, 11:47 PM

So cavs went from the deepest team with lebron shaq and Z to not making the playoffs

They are gonna be #5 next year WATCH

:lmao

You gotta be kidding me

1. Boston
2. Heat
3. Magic
4. Hawks
5. Bulls

Thats top 5 imo(You can put em in ur own order)
but their is no way Cavs make top 5 or even top 10 in the East. sorry

Bito Corleone

08-10-2010, 08:32 AM

A sleeper for suckiest team is Toronto.

Can't believe it took that long for someone to say it. I don't even think they're a sleeper. I think they're a legit threat for worst team. They will be bottom three for sure.

Kamnik

08-10-2010, 08:37 AM

toronto raptors

+1

CavsSuperFan

08-10-2010, 08:57 AM

Will be fun to see if any of you Cav Hating Bozos will even post here after the Cavs beat the Heat...

Chomag

08-10-2010, 09:18 AM

BUt, But!!! Cavs still have an All-star!!!

Mo Will, oh wait....

EIC

08-10-2010, 10:47 PM

Think so, huh? Sub-21-win-teams are actually pretty rare. An average of less than 2 teams per season have failed to win that many games in the last decade.

I'll take the over -- way over.

You do realize that this is a thread on the worst team next year, right? So if the average is that one or two teams wins less than 21 games per season, and some are claiming that the Cavs will win less than 21 games . . . this makes perfect sense.

I can't see how the Cavs will be able to do a damn thing next season. No Shaq, no Big Z, and no Lebron. They're fucked. And all the Lebron haters will realize just how much Lebron was completely carrying that team and why he got tired of having to do that shit night after night, never to win a title, just so some pasty fucking schleps in the cold-ass witches teat that is northeastern Ohio can feel a bit better about their shitty lives. I'm sorry, what was the question?

8FOR!3

08-10-2010, 10:57 PM

Cavs are gonna suck, Raptors are gonna suck (but Bargnani and Ed Davis might mean they're not the NBA's worst,) the Wolves are gonna suck, but the Nets aren't going to suck as bad as people think they are. Derrick Favors and Brook Lopez is a sick PF/C combo, Devin Harris had an off year, but he's a legit starter with starbility. Terrence Williams got through his rookie year and he has a good amount of upside, and Courtney Lee can score. Travis Outlaw and Anthony Morrow are a good start coming off the bench. Jordan Farmar however, is Jordan Farmar...

21_Blessings

08-10-2010, 10:59 PM

Jamison lead a similar terrible Wizards team to like 40 wins a couple years back. The Cavs still play D, rebound and Mo can give you about 17-18 and 6 assists like he did for the Bucks. Anyone calling them a low 20 win team is pretty much a retard.

phyzik

08-10-2010, 11:00 PM

Not to be going out on a limb here, but I think the Spurs are in the top 10 worst teams.

Care to make a bet?

You say Spurs will be within the worst 10 teams in the West....

I bet they make at least the 4th seed....

If either of us is wrong, bet is off....

If the Spurs are within the 10 worst teams in the west at the end of the regular season, I will take a sig and avatar of your choice until the begining of the next season....

If spurs place better than 5th seed in the west, you take my choice of sig and avatar until the begining of the next season...

Put up or shut up Lakacocksucka

Just feeding the trolls Im supposed to be feeding...

8FOR!3

08-10-2010, 11:01 PM

Just feeding the trolls Im supposed to be feeding...

Trolls gotta get their bread.

poop

08-10-2010, 11:05 PM

Cleveland

SomeCallMeTim

08-10-2010, 11:36 PM

You do realize that this is a thread on the worst team next year, right? So if the average is that one or two teams wins less than 21 games per season, and some are claiming that the Cavs will win less than 21 games . . . this makes perfect sense.

I can't see how the Cavs will be able to do a damn thing next season. No Shaq, no Big Z, and no Lebron. They're fucked. And all the Lebron haters will realize just how much Lebron was completely carrying that team and why he got tired of having to do that shit night after night, never to win a title, just so some pasty fucking schleps in the cold-ass witches teat that is northeastern Ohio can feel a bit better about their shitty lives. I'm sorry, what was the question?

And...? As it turns out, the worst team in the league often finishes with 21+ wins.

Do people really think LeBron is worth 40-45 wins all by himself?

Sorry, there has never been a player with that level of skill. Not even Jordan ever approached that.

Like I said elsewhere: Losing LeBron means losing 25 or so wins? Sure. That is reasonable. Losing Shaq and West will hurt a bit too. They were valuable contributors. Losing Z will be addition by subtraction -- he was pretty bad last year.

There is a danger in that several of their key pieces -- Jamison and Parker -- will be 35 next season. Both of them were valuable last year and could decline. If that happens, they'd better hope that Hickson can really step up next year and offset it. I would hope Byron Scott would recognize that Moon deserves playing time, something Mike Brown seemed incapable of grasping.

Ashy Larry

08-11-2010, 01:07 AM

twolves

yup

hsxvvd

08-11-2010, 04:53 AM

T'Wolves lost Jefferson, Gomes and Session for Beasley, Tolliver and Ridnour.

They are terrible still.

New Jersey... signed, Outlaw, Farmar and James May?!?! Quality signings...lol

They will still have the worse record.

Yi, Hinrich and Wall won't have that much of an impact in Washington either. Unless Arenas actually plays, there will be little improvement.

Basketballgirl25

08-11-2010, 07:17 AM

I think the LeBron factor will work the opposite way. It will motivate them. This is a team full of guys with a lot to prove. I know Byron Scott has gotten ripped by plenty of fans (and Kidd) but I think he's a decent coach and will know how to keep them focused and using that us-against-them mentality to make the team stronger.

Motivation only goes so far though, you need talent to win games. Fortunately for Cleveland, they do have talent -- the supporting cast was way underrated. Varejao, Moon, Jamison were all very good players last year and Parker, Hickson, and Mo were pretty good themselves. Losing LeBron hurts big time, of course... he's probably a loss of 25 wins all by himself. But they also ditched their worst performer in Z so that helps a bit in mitigating the loss of Shaq and West who both were helpful.

I agree with you about Byron Scott, some fans complain about him, but I really can't when Kidd was the one who got him fired and Kidd has gotten other coaches fired as well. So I think Byron Scott is the best coach for the Cavs, maybe not the best coach in the NBA, but I could see Cavs being really good and making it at least to the second round in the playoffs with him as coach

Basketballgirl25

08-11-2010, 07:21 AM

sorry people, Nets won't have the worst record this year, if you didn't watch last year then you won't know half the players got hurt half the time so they never really had a full team and most of those players are gone, I'm not saying your winning it all, but we deff won't be like last year and if we are at least I can say Nets aren't a team trying to win enough games to make the playoffs and then lose year after year and are actually trying to win in the end, sometimes waiting pays off more them overpaying crappy players other teams signed

Venti Quattro

08-11-2010, 10:26 AM

With Jordan Farmar spearheading the Nets, sure :lol

Basketballgirl25

08-11-2010, 03:39 PM

With Jordan Farmar spearheading the Nets, sure :lol

hey, if he doesn't get hurt, it's better for the Nets:toast

Pelicans78

08-11-2010, 03:42 PM

Easily Toronto and its not even close.

HarlemHeat37

08-11-2010, 03:53 PM

I agree with you about Byron Scott, some fans complain about him, but I really can't when Kidd was the one who got him fired and Kidd has gotten other coaches fired as well. So I think Byron Scott is the best coach for the Cavs, maybe not the best coach in the NBA, but I could see Cavs being really good and making it at least to the second round in the playoffs with him as coach

:wow

DPG21920

01-12-2011, 08:05 PM

Wow, this was a good read.

HarlemHeat37

01-12-2011, 08:21 PM

Not to be going out on a limb here, but I think the Spurs are in the top 10 worst teams.

Cavs may be a trendy pick to suck but I think they fight around .500 and quite possibly could even grab 45 wins if things break right. Byron Scott could well get COY for pulling the "miracle" of the Cavs not sucking. Kind of like how Doc Rivers won COY for his job with the 41-41 Magic in 2000, which was pretty ridiculous IMO.

So cavs went from the deepest team with lebron shaq and Z to not making the playoffs

They are gonna be #5 next year WATCH

Will be fun to see if any of you Cav Hating Bozos will even post here after the Cavs beat the Heat...

Jamison lead a similar terrible Wizards team to like 40 wins a couple years back. The Cavs still play D, rebound and Mo can give you about 17-18 and 6 assists like he did for the Bucks. Anyone calling them a low 20 win team is pretty much a retard.

I agree with you about Byron Scott, some fans complain about him, but I really can't when Kidd was the one who got him fired and Kidd has gotten other coaches fired as well. So I think Byron Scott is the best coach for the Cavs, maybe not the best coach in the NBA, but I could see Cavs being really good and making it at least to the second round in the playoffs with him as coach

:lmao:lmao:lmao..

DPG21920

01-12-2011, 08:23 PM

DPG with the goods, per the usual.

jjktkk

01-12-2011, 09:07 PM

The only predictions Luva ever gets correct, is which shift hes working at Taco Bell on the weekend.

JoeTait75

01-12-2011, 09:17 PM

Sometimes the best posts are the ones you don't make.

DeadlyDynasty

01-12-2011, 09:18 PM

Sometimes the best posts are the ones you don't make.

:lol

Amen to that.

baseline bum

01-12-2011, 09:20 PM

Haha, Laker fans getting owned in this thread with their ridiculous evaluations of LeBron's supporting cast.

Ghazi

01-12-2011, 09:32 PM

DPG21920

01-12-2011, 09:35 PM

It's nothing against the Cavs. They just don't have the talent, balance or leadership. It's to be expected when you lose a player the caliber of Lebron.

I just can't believe these LA fans are so desperate to prop up Kobe that they say these wild things.

I guess in hindsight, it was crazy to say a team will be 40 wins worse, but when you looked at their team, it didn't seem that crazy.

baseline bum

01-12-2011, 09:38 PM

Haha... Mo Williams is tearing shit up with his 14ppg on 39% shooting. He looks like Kobe in the Finals post-Shaq.

JoeTait75

01-12-2011, 09:39 PM

It's nothing against the Cavs. They just don't have the talent, balance or leadership. It's to be expected when you lose a player the caliber of Lebron.

Well that's just it.

It isn't just talent, though. I don't think the Cavaliers teams of the mid-90's (Brandon, Phills, Mills) were that much better than this one talent-wise. Yet those were competitive teams.

The psychological baggage as well as the lack of talent is what is killing this team. It's no coincidence that this slide into hell began the night LeBron came back to Cleveland.

This team as currently constructed, without LeBron having played here, would be better. Not good, but better.

baseline bum

01-12-2011, 09:40 PM

Good call by 21 on the Cavs rebounding too: 26th in the league.

baseline bum

01-12-2011, 09:42 PM

Good call on the D too, Blessings: 22nd in points allowed, 27th in FG% allowed, and 30th in 3PT% allowed. :lol

in2deep

01-12-2011, 09:46 PM

definitely lakers. they will be coming back from a failed 2010-2011 season. Kobe will be asking for trades. Gasol dead dog tired, Kobe fall off an even bigger cliff and Fisher 6 feet under. got no young prospects. etc, etc.

baseline bum

01-12-2011, 09:48 PM

definitely lakers. Gasol dead dog tired, Kobe fall off an even bigger cliff and Fisher 6 feet under. got no young prospects. etc, etc.

I doubt there will be a next year, but maybe next next year.

#41 Shoot Em Up

01-12-2011, 09:49 PM

I'll say Denver. Without Carmelo that team will be battling for one of the worse records easily

NRHector

01-12-2011, 09:54 PM

Lakers no doubt, Jackson retiring, Kobe getting old and Bynum getting hurt

frodo

01-12-2011, 10:09 PM

mavs w/o dirk are definitely the weakest team right now :depressed

HarlemHeat37

02-08-2011, 01:15 AM

Bump x 2..:lol:lol:lol:lol Blessings..

baseline bum

02-08-2011, 01:20 AM

Great thread :lol

HarlemHeat37

02-08-2011, 01:28 AM

Blessings is like a fucking prophet..I'm in awe of this man's predictions..sucks that he can't reply right now, since he can't post here, for the time being:lol..

BoricuaCJA

02-08-2011, 01:57 AM

Blessings is like a fucking prophet..I'm in awe of this man's predictions..sucks that he can't reply right now, since he can't post here, for the time being:lol..
:rollin:rollin:rollin

Frenzy

02-08-2011, 02:06 AM

A sleeper for suckiest team is Toronto.

"..Lets understand something... Raptors might not be live and direct on ESPN. But we make more money that Half the teams that are. The Jazz, Hawks, Magic, Nuggets, Thunder, and the Trail blazer wish they had a franchise that can make money like the Raptors. Punk us all you like but at the end of the day... We are the fifth largest market in the NBA hate it or love it... Start showoing respect and when this new CBA comes into effect then every team can start to compete for a champsion year in and out... Not the same team every single year... That's why the NBA is running in the negative... No one wants to see a losing franchise year in and out... Only The Raptors, Pistons, Knicks can make money and still lose. The only different between us is that we only be in the nba for 16 years.."
:blah

Mal

02-08-2011, 02:33 AM

Why you think that Cavs recover from that ? No LeBron type guy in draft, still got Jamison and Mo Williams contracted. And I think they won`t fire Byron Scott. They will be the weakest one next year.

Sisk

02-08-2011, 02:45 AM

Wow HH, this was bad. Almost strictly from laker fans too.. just as you said.

Terrible.

baseline bum

02-08-2011, 03:25 AM

"..Lets understand something... Raptors might not be live and direct on ESPN. But we make more money that Half the teams that are. The Jazz, Hawks, Magic, Nuggets, Thunder, and the Trail blazer wish they had a franchise that can make money like the Raptors. Punk us all you like but at the end of the day... We are the fifth largest market in the NBA hate it or love it... Start showoing respect and when this new CBA comes into effect then every team can start to compete for a champsion year in and out... Not the same team every single year... That's why the NBA is running in the negative... No one wants to see a losing franchise year in and out... Only The Raptors, Pistons, Knicks can make money and still lose. The only different between us is that we only be in the nba for 16 years.."
:blah

Canada has to rally around the Raptors since we stole all your hockey teams.

rayjayjohnson

02-08-2011, 05:22 AM

I'll say Denver. Without Carmelo that team will be battling for one of the worse records easily

lol you've gotta be kidding.

no, we're not going to be playoff material for a couple of years, but we're hardly going to be the shittiest team in the league.

i'd argue that a couple of years in the lottery are going to help the nuggs more than another 3 years of first round exists for the mavs. 2014 the nuggs will be in much better shape than Dallas.

DPG21920

04-10-2011, 12:45 PM

Not to be going out on a limb here, but I think the Spurs are in the top 10 worst teams.

Cavs.

Cavs are going to be terrible. No more than 20 wins. Mo is going to whine all year long.

Cavs won't make the playoffs but they won't suck so bad. 36-39 wins.

Or maybe it's just me thinking that.

A sleeper for suckiest team is Toronto.

Think so, huh? Sub-21-win-teams are actually pretty rare. An average of less than 2 teams per season have failed to win that many games in the last decade.

I'll take the over -- way over.

I think the LeBron factor will work the opposite way. It will motivate them. This is a team full of guys with a lot to prove. I know Byron Scott has gotten ripped by plenty of fans (and Kidd) but I think he's a decent coach and will know how to keep them focused and using that us-against-them mentality to make the team stronger.

Motivation only goes so far though, you need talent to win games. Fortunately for Cleveland, they do have talent -- the supporting cast was way underrated. Varejao, Moon, Jamison were all very good players last year and Parker, Hickson, and Mo were pretty good themselves. Losing LeBron hurts big time, of course... he's probably a loss of 25 wins all by himself. But they also ditched their worst performer in Z so that helps a bit in mitigating the loss of Shaq and West who both were helpful.

DPG>Laker Fan