4 Team Trade about to happen

[ace3g]

chadfordinsider

Breaking: Hornets, Rockets, Pacers & Nets working on 4 team deal. Ariza to NO. C. Lee to HOU. Collison & Posey to IND. Murphy to NJ.

[TheMACHINE]

eh...still trying to make sense of this.

[HarlemHeat37]

eh...still trying to make sense of this.

It will probably take you a while..you aren't exactly the smartest guy around..

[Kobe Molested Me]

No idea why Rockets would do this unless Morey wanted to get rid of Ariza's contract. TBH I want to see how Ariza plays with Yao before making any hasty trades.

[JamStone]

I think Cliff Lee was already traded to the Texas Rangers...

[JamStone]

Well if it's not just to dump Ariza's contract, maybe the Rockets think Chase is the real deal and want him to get starter minutes. Or maybe they don't have much faith in Kevin Martin and have started to sour on him already.

[ace3g]

Chad Ford chadfordinsider

Here's the link to the 4 team Hornets-Rockets-Pacers-Nets deal. Looks like NO is keeping CP3 http://es.pn/9kxM7n

[Lukor]

wtf why is NO trading Collison away just to get rid of Posey's bad contract. That's seriously retarded.

[sribb43]

So NO gives up Posey and Collison and many see Posey as salary dump, yet they take back more money back in Ariza and his 4yrs on his deal while giving up there 2nd best trading chip. WTF is NO doing here?

[ace3g]

wtf why is NO trading Collison away just to get rid of Posey's bad contract. That's seriously retarded.

Possibly to keep Paul happy (knowing he will be the main PG in N.O.) so he doesn't go to NY

[Venti Quattro]

They kept CP3 but they traded Collison. Who's backing CP3 now?

[210Max]

wtf why is NO trading Collison away just to get rid of Posey's bad contract. That's seriously retarded.

Cuz they kinda have the best PG in the league, and Ariza shits on Posey of these days.

Hornets playoffs now (if healthy, big if)

[EricB]

Damn Pacers got over on everyone...

[TheMACHINE]

It will probably take you a while..you aren't exactly the smartest guy around..

"He did it for the kids"

"mayweather isnt scared of pacquiao"

[ace3g]

chadfordinsider

More details on proposed Hornets-Rockets-Pacers-Nets deal. HOU saving lots of $$$ http://es.pn/9kxM7n

[Kobe Molested Me]

Deal done according to Yahoo

Hou,NJ, NO, Indy trade done and trade call taking place now, source tells Y!. Hou gets C Lee, NO gets Ariza, Indy Collison-Posey, NJ Murphy

[Pelicans78]

WTF? This is a horrible trade! Ariza sucks with a terrible contract! Are you kidding me? :vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit:: vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit:

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

OMG!!!!!!!!!! What a stupid trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKK!!!!!

[Kobe Molested Me]

WTF? This is a horrible trade! Ariza sucks with a terrible contract! Are you kidding me? :vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit:: vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit:

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

OMG!!!!!!!!!! What a stupid trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKK!!!!!

:lol:lol:lol

[ace3g]

So that Russian guy is building a dynasty with Troy Murphy?

Now the Nets have 3 decent PF/C: Lopez, Favors, and Murphy

PG: Harris, Farmar
SG: Williams, Morrow
SF: Outlaw, Damion James
PF: Murphy, Favors
C: Lopez, Petro,

Not the best but they have a much better lineup than last season

[ace3g]

WojYahooNBA

The Pacers are negotiating a buyout with T.J. Ford's agent on the $8.5 million owed the point guard this season, league sources tell Y!.

[TD 21]

ESPN is already building this up as a "to keep Paul happy" trade (they see the name Ariza, realize he's a former and recent Laker and automatically pretend he's the biggest name or part of the deal). But why would it? Sure, it allows them to play their five best players in a more conventional lineup now and they were able to dump Posey's contract, but giving up Collison to add Ariza isn't going to make them a better team. Not significantly at least, to the point where they go from a non playoff team to a playoff team in one fell swoop.

I've got to think this sets up another trade for the Hornets, who are overloaded at SF but lacking depth in the back court. Wright could be next. Or Stojakovic...

I was thinking when McGrady signed with the Pistons that the Hornets would trade for Hamilton just to keep Paul happy. Hamilton and Wilcox for Stojakovic works financially. The Hornets could then move Thornton into a sixth man role, which is ultimately the role I think he's best suited for.

[z0sa]

It will probably take you a while..you aren't exactly the smartest guy around..

:lol

[Pelicans78]

So he's gonna be the Hornets PG once CP3 leaves? Another stupid trade/FA signing by this organization. I don't care anymore. I'm out.

[DDS4]

Hornets are desperate and Houston just admitted signing Ariza was a mistake. Good trade for the Pacers.

[Kobe Molested Me]

So he's gonna be the Hornets PG once CP3 leaves? Another stupid trade/FA signing by this organization. I don't care anymore. I'm out.

Hornets78 suicide watch.

[lil_penny]

Hornets just making room for andre miller, joel, and rudy.. nothing to see here

[TD 21]

We know Hamilton is on the decline, but I do think last season was more injury related than decline related. I think he'd be rejuvenated going to a team that (with him) would have a shot to make the playoffs and has arguably the best PG in the league. His game should age relatively well, so he should have a couple decent seasons left.

Sure, his contract is bordering on terrible, but I think the Hornets are desperate enough to keep Paul happy to bite. This, I've got to think, in conjunction with the Ariza trade, would do just that. Plus, it would give them a realistic shot at the playoffs, which they otherwise wouldn't have.

[Drachen]

Or Tony Parker!!!!!!!!!!

(sorry Kori, lol)

[ace3g]

STEIN_LINE_HQ

ESPN.com sources: Hornets and Raptors have also agreed to a separate trade that will send Julian Wright to Toronto for Marco Belinelli

[PDXSpursFan]

NO got rapped. They could have asked for Indiana's 1st round pick.

[djohn2oo8]

I can see why we traded Ariza, but meh on Lee. And LOL Hornets

[Ashy Larry]

I think Cliff Lee was already traded to the Texas Rangers...


:toast

[PGDynasty24]

LOL Ariza

[DPG21920]

Good trade for Houston. Lee is a nice replacement for losing Ariza talent wise and it saves them a ton of money.

Good trade for the Hornets. Paul will maximize what you can get from Ariza and they shed some money short term. Paul + Ariza will be pesky on defense.

Don't like the trade for Indy. They lost a good fit which happens to be a big man and they don't have a lot of good depth there. They so desperately wanted a PG that they took on some extra money and only got a marginal player.

NJ got a decent trade, but what does that say about Favors? At least he is a good player, veteran and expiring.

[DPG21920]

Oh yeah, WTF Spurs? If Ariza was available why not get in on this ish? Throw Blair or Hill in and try to get it done.

[TD 21]

Murphy was gone by the trade deadline or the off season anyway. He wasn't in the long term plans.

I'd heard the Pacers plan to play small and fast next season, even before this trade.

This makes a lot of sense for the Pacers. They get a young, inexpensive, quality PG to add to Granger, Hibbert, George and Stephenson.

If I were them and George flashes star potential in the next two years, which many think he possesses, then I'd trade Granger for a PF and/or multiple quality pieces and build around George, Collison, Hibbert and Stephenson.

Granger is already 27, by the time this team is ready to do anything, he'll probably be around 30 and he's already had myriad injuries.

As for Favors, it says what the Nets and nearly everyone has said since him being drafted: he has an extremely high upside, but isn't ready to start or play a major role yet. Now, for at least the majority of his rookie season, he doesn't have to.

Why would the Spurs trade a young, inexpensive player, with a higher upside than Ariza, for Ariza (who's a mediocre shooter), when they've already re-signed Jefferson?

[koriwhat]

Oh yeah, WTF Spurs? If Ariza was available why not get in on this ish? Throw Blair or Hill in and try to get it done.

fuck that!

both of those guys give more than ariza would to the spurs. double fuck that!

[Ashy Larry]

NO is gonna try like hell to keep Paul happy ..... it won't be long before he's out of the Crescent City

[Venti Quattro]

I feel bad for Ariza

[DPG21920]

1) The Nets suck ass and are going no where. It does nothing to bring in a vet like Murphy. Why not let Favors (who will have no pressure bc they were the worst team in the league) play and gain experience?

2) I said trade Blair OR Hill. Not both. It would be giving up one young and inexpensive player. I don't think their upside is something so great you can't trade them. I still think Ariza, as a system player, has about the same upside and he has proven himself on a title team. Ariza may be a medicore shooter, but where he does well is spotting up for 3, which the Spurs desperately need. He would also be our best perimeter defender and be the only one on the team that is above average in that department.

He would be the closest thing to Bruce the Spurs could get. Yes, they re-signed RJ, but he sucks quite badly for the Spurs. Spurs still have a huge hole at SF. If they could get Ariza, you should do it.

[DPG21920]

fuck that!

both of those guys give more than ariza would to the spurs. double fuck that!

Not in my opinion. Blair is at best our 4th big. In the playoffs he will hardly play. Ariza would be our starter and a damn near perfect fit in our system.

[sribb43]

:lmao at people trying to spin this as Ariza will make Paul happy

[galvatron3000]

If Ariza is what it takes to make Paul happy then he's stupid now saying that just because they wrote that in print doesn't mean anything to me. Paul is gone and they just traded away his backup for Ariza, smh

[koriwhat]

Not in my opinion. Blair is at best our 4th big. In the playoffs he will hardly play. Ariza would be our starter and a damn near perfect fit in our system.

i see what you're getting at, i truly do, however i think both blair and gh3 shouldn't be compromised just because everyone wants to clone bowen.

ariza could possibly work here in SA but both blair and gh3 are already in the system and do damn well in it too.

trust me, i want a bowen-esque player too. shit, i want bowen back!

[Venti Quattro]

Ariza is NOT going to make CP3 happy. It will take more than that.

[TD 21]

1) The Nets suck ass and are going no where. It does nothing to bring in a vet like Murphy. Why not let Favors (who will have no pressure bc they were the worst team in the league) play and gain experience?

2) I said trade Blair OR Hill. Not both. It would be giving up one young and inexpensive player. I don't think their upside is something so great you can't trade them. I still think Ariza, as a system player, has about the same upside and he has proven himself on a title team. Ariza may be a medicore shooter, but where he does well is spotting up for 3, which the Spurs desperately need. He would also be our best perimeter defender and be the only one on the team that is above average in that department.

He would be the closest thing to Bruce the Spurs could get. Yes, they re-signed RJ, but he sucks quite badly for the Spurs. Spurs still have a huge hole at SF. If they could get Ariza, you should do it.

They still needed a stopgap at PF, otherwise they'd have had to resort to starting Humphries most likely. Murphy can help them next season, allow them to bring along Favors slowly, then at the trade deadline he becomes a valuable piece (both because of his contract and his skill set) and in the event they don't get an offer(s) they like, they can just let his salary come off the books. Favors can and will still play, it's just that now they don't have to rush him and force him into playing a role he's not ready for. There's always the risk that a player's confidence could be destroyed in that scenario, a la Brown (Kwame).

I know you did. My point was I wouldn't trade either for Ariza. I agree that their upside isn't so great that you can't trade them, I just wouldn't for a relatively expensive SF who's a mediocre shooter and is close to or about as good as he's ever going to be. If they're not already, they can be better than Ariza. Even if this would have made an ounce of sense, it doesn't with Jefferson signed. I'm well aware of what Ariza would bring. Also, financially it wouldn't work. McDyess would almost certainly have to go in that trade as well.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs have some non-guaranteed contracts they could have sent Houston's way because some of the teams in this trade are under the cap and can absorb some salary.

[Red Hawk #21]

I don't understand the Hornets.

[djohn2oo8]

Am warming to the idea of Courtney Lee backing up injury prone K-Mart, not a bad choice there

[Ditty]

spurs should of got in this trade to get ariza i think he would be worth a future 1st round pick and throw in alanzo gee, and we fill a big hole with someone backing up jefferson

[HeatChamps]

4 useless teams trying to be noticed. lol

[TD 21]

Ariza is a 30 mpg starter and is being paid as such. He's not a 15 mpg backup, which is what the Spurs need.

Whether you like Jefferson or not, they didn't pay him what they did to be a full-time backup.

I'd prefer a better defender, but given what's available and their limited resources, Hayes makes sense. By all accounts, he's a good character guy, he's a decent shooter and an adequate defender. He's also a big SF, at 6-8 228. Supposedly, he's waiting for an offer above the veteran's minimum. Like Bogans last year, my guess is the Spurs are waiting him out. They were rumored to have interest in him two years ago.

[baseline bum]

Nice. I'm glad to see Collison in a place where he's going to get some minutes and hopefully continue to develop.

[djohn2oo8]

4 useless teams trying to be noticed. lol

^^^1 useless poster trying to be noticed...Hope you don't go crying to mommy when the heat dont even make the finals

[redzero]

The best we can get is Ariza for Collison?

[The Franchise]

Yao/Miller
Scola/Hill
Battier/Budinger
Martin/Lee
Brooks/Lowry

This trade solidifies Budingers place in the lineup and fills our need at backup sg, plus takes care of the logjam at sf, all while saving the team $$ and making the bench more offensively potent. This made us better and saved us money. Morey is pretty good.

[TheManFromAcme]

4 useless teams trying to be noticed. lol

...and your team is one of those 4 :toast

[JamStone]

Yao/Miller
Scola/Hill
Battier/Budinger
Martin/Lee
Brooks/Lowry

This trade solidifies Budingers place in the lineup and fills our need at backup sg, plus takes care of the logjam at sf, all while saving the team $$ and making the bench more offensively potent. This made us better and saved us money. Morey is pretty good.


Rockets aren't as talented as the elite teams in the NBA, but I like the depth and balance of their roster. They have a lot of quality insurance at each position in case of injuries. Imo, still don't have the talent to legitimately compete, but the trade really does balance out the roster.

[Indazone]

Rockets aren't as talented as the elite teams in the NBA, but I like the depth and balance of their roster. They have a lot of quality insurance at each position in case of injuries. Imo, still don't have the talent to legitimately compete, but the trade really does balance out the roster.

Glad that chucker Ariza is gone. Now he can throw up countless three pointers for the Hornets "Clunk"

[Basketballgirl25]

Now the Nets have 3 decent PF/C: Lopez, Favors, and Murphy

PG: Harris, Farmar
SG: Williams, Morrow
SF: Outlaw, Damion James
PF: Murphy, Favors
C: Lopez, Petro,

Not the best but they have a much better lineup than last season

agreed and if what the Nets think about Favors comes ture, having Murphy won't be bad

[djohn2oo8]

Still in disbelief that Collison couldn't garner a better offer

[024]

wtf, ariza is the best they could do?

[Indazone]

Rockets Trade Ariza, Part of 4-Team Deal
Updated: Wednesday, 11 Aug 2010, 2:48 PM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 11 Aug 2010, 1:16 PM CDT

MARK BERMAN
Sports Director
HOUSTON - NBA sources confirm for FOX 26 Sports the Houston Rockets traded guard/forward Trevor Ariza to the New Orleans Hornets as part of a four-team deal also involving the Indiana Pacers and the New Jersey Nets.

Sources confirm the Rockets get guard Courtney Lee from the Nets.

ESPN reports the Pacers will get guard Darren Collison from the Hornets along with forward James Posey in the four-team deal, with Indiana sending forward Troy Murphy to the Nets.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey has not been available for comment.

[Indazone]

Well guess Indiana got a little bit faster and got rid of a redundant Troy Murphy. Pacers were hurting for guards.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears SpearsNBAYahoo

Rockets also got $6 million trade exception in four way trade, Y! Sports has learned.

[Indazone]

Daryl Morey still the wizard.

[DPG21920]

Ariza is a 30 mpg starter and is being paid as such. He's not a 15 mpg backup, which is what the Spurs need.

Whether you like Jefferson or not, they didn't pay him what they did to be a full-time backup.

I'd prefer a better defender, but given what's available and their limited resources, Hayes makes sense. By all accounts, he's a good character guy, he's a decent shooter and an adequate defender. He's also a big SF, at 6-8 228. Supposedly, he's waiting for an offer above the veteran's minimum. Like Bogans last year, my guess is the Spurs are waiting him out. They were rumored to have interest in him two years ago.

Spurs, if they are going to win a title, need a better starting fit at SF. They might not want Ariza because they paid RJ, but that is just the mistake that keeps on giving.

Chuck Hayes? He is not a SF.

[Pelicans78]

LOL Hornet fans jizzing themselves over this trade.

"Ariza is a 15 pts, 6 boards, 4 assists guy"

"We definitely became a better team today"

"We traded a backup PG for a starting SF"

Stupid fucks

http://hornetsreport.com/HRForums/showthread.php?t=61658

[djohn2oo8]

Rockets also got $6 million trade exception in four way trade, Y! Sports has learnedhttp://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo

[The Franchise]

Rockets aren't as talented as the elite teams in the NBA, but I like the depth and balance of their roster. They have a lot of quality insurance at each position in case of injuries. Imo, still don't have the talent to legitimately compete, but the trade really does balance out the roster.

Although I totally disagree with your opinion you are entitled to it, so I will just say don't be to suprised by our success this season. :toast

[Pelicans78]

Brilliant trade by the Rockets. Seriously, our rookie GM got hosed by a better GM. No we're stuck with Okafor and Ariza. LOL!

[Basketballgirl25]

As for Favors, it says what the Nets and nearly everyone has said since him being drafted: he has an extremely high upside, but isn't ready to start or play a major role yet. Now, for at least the majority of his rookie season, he doesn't have to.

said what I was thinking:toast

[djohn2oo8]

Although I totally disagree with your opinion you are entitled to it, so I will just say don't be to suprised by our success this season. :toast

Dude, stop being a homer, we aren't in the elite status with the Lakers and Heat

[HarlemHeat37]

Houston made a very, very good trade here, but I agree with Jamstone..they might have the deepest team in the NBA, and they're definitely one of the most balanced teams well, but they don't have the star power..

Yao is a legit #2, maybe #1 IMO, but he's obviously unreliable for a long season..they don't have a legit #2 option either..I can see both Martin and Brooks being good #3 scoring options on a team, even Scola as well, but they're lacking for the #1 and #2 best players on the team, which is obviously very crucial in the NBA..

If Yao miraculously stays healthy for an entire season, and Kevin Martin stays healthy/returns to form, I can see them being very dangerous..they have a great balance of defense/outside shooting/post play/depth..

[Indazone]

Spurs, if they are going to win a title, need a better starting fit at SF. They might not want Ariza because they paid RJ, but that is just the mistake that keeps on giving.

Chuck Hayes? He is not a SF.

Chuck Hayes is twice the defender that Ariza is. He can defend SF's. Can't shoot if his life depended on it but he can defend.

Only reason Morey went after Ariza is that statistically on paper his stats were close to T-Mac's for the same number of shot attempts. Just slightly lower percentage. This is where the intangibles come in that the statistics can't show, like Basketball IQ. Ariza has none where T-Mac could fill it up or get to the foul line. You didn't cringe when T-Mac took a shot whereas when Ariza would drive to the basket, you worried about him turning it over or taking an off balance shot which he'd usually miss. Plus T-Mac had way better handles than Ariza.

Rockets have their elite defenders with Battier and Hayes.

Getting rid of Ariza and bring Lee on board. Win!

Kudo's to Morey.

[The Franchise]

Houston made a very, very good trade here, but I agree with Jamstone..they might have the deepest team in the NBA, and they're definitely one of the most balanced teams well, but they don't have the star power..

Yao is a legit #2, maybe #1 IMO, but he's obviously unreliable for a long season..they don't have a legit #2 option either..I can see both Martin and Brooks being good #3 scoring options on a team, even Scola as well, but they're lacking for the #1 and #2 best players on the team, which is obviously very crucial in the NBA..

Please enlighten me as to why Martin isn't a legitimate #2 option?

[Indazone]

Brilliant trade by the Rockets. Seriously, our rookie GM got hosed by a better GM. No we're stuck with Okafor and Ariza. LOL!

Seriously, when other teams get a call from Daryl Morey their best option is to put their hands over their ears, shout "LALALALALALA" and then run the other direction.

[djohn2oo8]

^ Injuries

[djohn2oo8]

Seriously, when other teams get a call from Daryl Morey their best option is to put their hands over their ears, shout "LALALALALALA" and then run the other direction.

Get a kleenex, and wipe Morey's man juice off your face

[Indazone]

Get a kleenex, and wipe Morey's man juice off your face

Go join another team you traitorous fraud. Can't get behind Martin, Yao, or Rockets as a whole. You should just go slurp yourself silly on the Miami Heat.

[HarlemHeat37]

Please enlighten me as to why Martin isn't a legitimate #2 option?

Can't stay healthy, his efficiency has gone down for 2 consecutive seasons, so he looks like he could be on the decline due to the injuries..he doesn't play D and he doesn't create for others, so he needs his scoring to be in top form to be a legit #2..

As I said, he would have to stay healthy and get back the form he had in the past for Houston to be a big-time thread..

[djohn2oo8]

Go join another team you traitorous fraud. Can't get behind Martin, Yao, or Rockets as a whole. You should just go slurp yourself silly on the Miami Heat.

Morey hasn't assembled a roster that has won shit, so quit acting like he needs a statute build after him yet

[DPG21920]

Hayes cannot guard SF's. Also, Morey can flip Ariza (what is considered a "bad contract") for a serviceable young player and a trade exception and the Spurs could do nothing with RJ. Unreal.

[Indazone]

Every acquisition has a cost, which is one of the bedrock principles of bartering. Unless you're purchasing Manhattan or annexing the Sudetenland, it's virtually impossible to get something for nothing. The NBA's trade market has three primary currencies in circulation: Talent, relief and flexibility -- with the latter two linked to some extent. On Wednesday, Houston, New Orleans, Indiana and New Jersey cooperated on a blockbuster trade that saw each team forfeit assets in service of a larger goal.

Houston Rockets
Coming: Courtney Lee
Going: Trevor Ariza
On the surface, the deal for the Rockets appears to be a cost-cutting measure. Houston re-upped Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry this summer, while signing Brad Miller to a free agent contract. Deep into luxury tax territory, the Rockets unloaded the remaining four years and $28 million on Ariza's deal in exchange for Nets guard Courtney Lee. The Rockets' front office deeply believe the best value contracts in basketball are max deals granted to transcendent superstars, and rookie scale contracts belonging to productive young players. In Lee, the Rockets get a young wing who will earn only $1.35 million in 2010-11. In addition, the Rockets hold a team option on Lee for $2.23 million in 2011-12. That's real value for a 24 year old with with the talent to start. Lee and Rockets' starting shooting guard Kevin Martin train together in the offseason -- the latter regarded as an older brother to the third-year guard. Although Lee might not be the stopper Ariza is, he's capable of covering either guard position and certainly tread water against some of the league's less dynamic 3-and-D small forwards. Lee will find strong organizational dynamics in Houston, similar to what he encountered during his rookie season in Orlando, where he succeeded. With Ariza's departure, the Rockets will have to figure out who picks up his minutes beyond Lee and whether that means experimenting selectively with Martin at the 3 spot.

New Orleans Hornets
Coming: Trevor Ariza
Going: Darren Collison and James Posey
The wing has been an enduring problem for the Hornets dating back to Desmond Mason, Bostjan Nachbar and J.R. Smith. Ariza might not rank on Chris Paul's list of the Top 25 guys he most wants to play with, but the second Ariza puts on the teal, he'll instantly become the most athletic and versatile wing New Orleans has seen in recent years -- but at an enormous cost. Collison has one of the best value contracts in basketball. He'll earn $1.3 million this season and carries team options for $1.46 million and $2.31 respectively over the subsequent two seasons. As a rookie, Collison played more than 2,000 minutes and compiled an impressive Player Efficiency Rating of 16.55. There's no guarantee Chris Paul will be sticking around New Orleans after his contract expires in the summer of 2012, and Collison's presence was a healthy -- and cheap -- insurance policy against that departure and any injury. Removing the remaining $13.4 million of James Posey's contract and the addition of Ariza's gifted -- but limited -- game seem to be an expensive bounty for a player with the potential to be very special and who is already contributing on a nightly basis.

Indiana Pacers
Coming: Darren Collison and James Posey
Going: Troy Murphy
"Point guard, Indiana Pacers" has been the NBA equivalent of "Drummer, Spinal Tap." The Pacers haven't been able to buy a break at the top of the floor for several seasons. Jamaal Tinsley, Anthony Johnson, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Jarrett Jack and, most recently, T.J. Ford and Earl Watson have all walked through the revolving door in Indianapolis. A.J. Price, picked in the second round of the 2009 draft, showed some promise in his rookie campaign. But the acquisition of Collison finally locks down the point for the Pacers for the foreseeable future. Normally, a salary like Posey's would be an onerous burden, but the Pacers have one of the cleanest spreadsheets in the league going forward -- only $18.8 million committed in 2011-12 before you tack on Posey's deal. The addition of Collison gives the Pacers the freedom to buyout Ford and not overpay for the services of Earl Watson.

New Jersey Nets
Coming: Troy Murphy
Going: Courtney Lee
There's a pleasing symmetry to this deal, and it ends in Newark where Murphy arrives in exchange for the departing Lee. Murphy offers a lot of appeal for the Nets. First, he's in the final year of his contract, which will pay him a hair under $12 million in 2010-11. Second, he gives the Nets a stretch-4 who can crash the defensive glass and deliver smart interior passes, assets the Nets want alongside Brook Lopez's more traditional skill set. What about No. 3 overall pick Derrick Favors? The power forward out of Georgia Tech turned 19 the week following Orlando summer league. With Yi Jianlian moving down I-95 to Washington, there will be plenty of minutes for Favors in the Nets' frontcourt rotation. The Nets will presumably fill the void left by Lee with a platoon of Anthony Morrow and Quinton Ross -- two players who share absolutely nothing in common. Morrow could beat Ross in a shooting contest wearing a blindfold, but few players in the NBA can torment perimeter scorers the way Ross can.


http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/po...he-4-team-trade

[Indazone]

Hayes cannot guard SF's. Also, Morey can flip Ariza (what is considered a "bad contract") for a serviceable young player and a trade exception and the Spurs could do nothing with RJ. Unreal.

"Chuck is incredible,'' Adelman said of Hayes, who can guard players at all five positions. "He's so gifted defensively. He's never been given the credit. ... But what Chuck Hayes has done (defensively) this year has just been incredible. ... He doesn't have the length to go block shots. ... But nobody moves him. He strips the ball. He gets steals. He gets charges. He knows exactly what we're doing defensively.''

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/12/08/houstons-hayes-the-shortest-center-in-nba-history/

[DPG21920]

"Chuck is incredible,'' Adelman said of Hayes, who can guard players at all five positions. "He's so gifted defensively. He's never been given the credit. ... But what Chuck Hayes has done (defensively) this year has just been incredible. ... He doesn't have the length to go block shots. ... But nobody moves him. He strips the ball. He gets steals. He gets charges. He knows exactly what we're doing defensively.''

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/12/08/houstons-hayes-the-shortest-center-in-nba-history/

That is hyperbole. He cannot guard SF's.

[JamStone]

Although I totally disagree with your opinion you are entitled to it, so I will just say don't be to suprised by our success this season. :toast

I will be surprised if the Rockets do better than 6th seed in the playoffs and/or make it out of the first round, even if they stay healthy. I think that's best case scenario. But more power to them if they can do better than that.

They have several guys that can take over a game, but not one that consistently do it game in and game out. They have exploitable mismatches defensively at every position except small forward.

But I do like their quality of depth. Maybe they can get lucky, stay healthy, and have a bunch of teams deal with injuries this year and sneak into the 5th or maybe even 4th spot. Unlikely, but hey, who knows?

[Kobe Molested Me]

Every acquisition has a cost, which is one of the bedrock principles of bartering. Unless you're purchasing Manhattan or annexing the Sudetenland, it's virtually impossible to get something for nothing. The NBA's trade market has three primary currencies in circulation: Talent, relief and flexibility -- with the latter two linked to some extent. On Wednesday, Houston, New Orleans, Indiana and New Jersey cooperated on a blockbuster trade that saw each team forfeit assets in service of a larger goal.

Houston Rockets
Coming: Courtney Lee
Going: Trevor Ariza
On the surface, the deal for the Rockets appears to be a cost-cutting measure. Houston re-upped Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry this summer, while signing Brad Miller to a free agent contract. Deep into luxury tax territory, the Rockets unloaded the remaining four years and $28 million on Ariza's deal in exchange for Nets guard Courtney Lee. The Rockets' front office deeply believe the best value contracts in basketball are max deals granted to transcendent superstars, and rookie scale contracts belonging to productive young players. In Lee, the Rockets get a young wing who will earn only $1.35 million in 2010-11. In addition, the Rockets hold a team option on Lee for $2.23 million in 2011-12. That's real value for a 24 year old with with the talent to start. Lee and Rockets' starting shooting guard Kevin Martin train together in the offseason -- the latter regarded as an older brother to the third-year guard. Although Lee might not be the stopper Ariza is, he's capable of covering either guard position and certainly tread water against some of the league's less dynamic 3-and-D small forwards. Lee will find strong organizational dynamics in Houston, similar to what he encountered during his rookie season in Orlando, where he succeeded. With Ariza's departure, the Rockets will have to figure out who picks up his minutes beyond Lee and whether that means experimenting selectively with Martin at the 3 spot.

Has this guy ever heard of Chase Budinger? That's one of the main reasons the Rockets made this trade so he can get more/deserved playing time.

[024]

rockets are entering mavs territory in terms of overall talent and depth. however, they still do not have the healthy superstar the mavs have. mentally though, they are historically much tougher than the mavs but the roster has been overhauled so we will see if they can maintain that in the playoffs.

[Indazone]

Maybe Morey can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get Melo or Iguodala.

[JamStone]

Maybe Morey can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get Melo or Iguodala.

I think he spent all his magic this summer getting Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson.

[DPG21920]

I think he spent all his magic this summer getting Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson.

Damn Son :lol

[redzero]

At least the Hornets got Marco Belinelli for nothing (i.e., Julian Wright).

[spursfan1000]

I think Pacers win rhis deal...

[Killakobe81]

Yao/Miller
Scola/Hill
Battier/Budinger
Martin/Lee
Brooks/Lowry

This trade solidifies Budingers place in the lineup and fills our need at backup sg, plus takes care of the logjam at sf, all while saving the team $$ and making the bench more offensively potent. This made us better and saved us money. Morey is pretty good.

IDK about better but you guys are definitely cheaper and smarter.
This is also a vote of confidence for Buddinger.
The key to the Rox is Yao anyway ...with him they are contenders and a deep team with nice young pieces: Budinger, Hill Brooks

Without him STILL deep but not contenders ...

As for Ariza his agent is a dumbass. Now Ariza is out one of the best markets (L.A.) to a good sports market (Hou) to a geat city but shitty basketball market. New Orleans is all about football (LSU, Southern, Grambling etc AND the saints)

With cp3 things are cool on the court but after he leaves Ariza is miserable ...

New orleans i think maybe 6-8 seed if healthy and Paul regains top 2 level PG status ...

[babyfederer]

That is hyperbole. He cannot guard SF's.

on multiple occasions Hayes is put in in the last minute to defend a play where the opposition makes it so that the big has to guard the guard or the play maker handling the ball.. With the game on the line he has made the defensive stop on switch offs multiple times.

[Killakobe81]

The trade exception is huge ...

Rox with a little more manuvering could get a big star ...

Ironic if they used some of those pieces to acquire CP3 ... LOL

[djohn2oo8]

Ariza didn't get along with Brooks. That is a reason I think he was traded

[Red Hawk #21]

The Rockets won this trade imho. They've become a really good team on paper, but we have yet to see how their season turns out. It seems like its always the same thing every year with the Rox: Health. If they can just stay healthy they would be a fine team. But over the years they've proven they can't. Hopefully they can break that trend and make things happen this year.

[Red Hawk #21]

Ariza didn't get along with Brooks. That is a reason I think he was traded

Really? Brooks seems like a very likeable guy, why didn't they get along?

[djohn2oo8]

Really? Brooks seems like a very likeable guy, why didn't they get along?

Brooks is likeable, when Ariza would call (about 65% of the time) for the ball when Brooks had it, Brooks would either not see him or take the shot himself, and Ariza had bad body language, throwing his hands up in the air etc, and go yell at Brooks. Plus, on another message board today, someone posted that Ariza got into an ugly confrontation with a teammate

[aquiet20&10]

Pacers are finally headed in the right direction. You're looking at:

PG: Collison/Price (excluding Ford since they're most likely gonna buy him out)
SG: D.Jones/B.Rush/Stephenson
SF: Granger/Dunleavy/George
PF: Hansborough/McRoberts
C: Hibbert/Rolle?

Granted, this is still a lottery team. But there are some decent pieces in place. They just need an offensive 4 and a scorer off the bench and you're looking at a 4 seed that'll be eliminated by the Heat for the next few years. Sad that that is how we will be judging success in the East now:lol

[BRHornet45]

sons this is an outstanding move by the Hornets and adds even more proof that they are committed to winning and keeping Paul. Why would they trade Collison if they are planning on trading Paul within the next 2 years? ... regardless haters are gonna hate. Great move. They unloaded the dead weight that 34 year old Posey carried and added a solid starting SF in Ariza. Peja will continue to play from the bench and then he will also be unloaded at the trade deadline. Carmello will be in New Orleans next season with CP3.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eee staaaaaaaccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkedddddddd dddddddddddddddddd

[DPG21920]

on multiple occasions Hayes is put in in the last minute to defend a play where the opposition makes it so that the big has to guard the guard or the play maker handling the ball.. With the game on the line he has made the defensive stop on switch offs multiple times.

He cannot guard SF's. He is a solid defender. If you tried to play him at SF, he would fail on both ends of the floor.

[Booharv]

Steal for the Pacers. Collison is a legit talent. Some people have retardedly viewed this influx of pg talent wrongly and thought it was merely a product of systems that made pgs look better than they are when actually the NBA has had a series of great point guard laden drafts and now has an abnormally high level of talent at that position. Given that the next couple of drafts will probably revert to normal, Indiana took advantage of this market.

[21_Blessings]

Take Morey's shriveled little penis out your mouth Rocket fan. This was a cost cutting move, nothing more. You completely lost this trade talent wise.

Ariza >>>>>>> Lee

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Take Morey's shriveled penis out your mouth Rocket fan. This was a cost cutting move, nothing more. You completely lost this trade talent wise.

Ariza >>>>>>> Lee


*slurp* *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*
*gulp*
how did it taste?

[djohn2oo8]

Take Morey's shriveled little penis out your mouth Rocket fan. This was a cost cutting move, nothing more. You completely lost this trade talent wise.

Ariza >>>>>>> Lee

LOL Baby Andrew. If it was a cost cutting move only, then they wouldn't have gotten a decent player in return, who has a better upside than Ariza

[redzero]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=237gyo5

The trade machine predicts that there will be no change for any of the teams.

[Indazone]

Ariza sucked. He had to go. He was causing problems on the court in public and in the locker room. Dude has no handles, turnover prone and was a chucker. Defensively he's supposed to be an elite defender. I didn't see that watching Rockets games. Couldn't hit a shot if his life depended on it if he had to handle the ball even a little bit. He was given the green light to shoot the ball in Houston but his grade in the shooting department? "FAIL"!!

All around a bad fit for the Rockets.

If he doesn't handle the ball and stays to his role as a spot up shooter, he might be ok. Don't let him try to dribble the ball through traffic though.

[21_Blessings]

Ariza sucked. He had to go. He was causing problems on the court in public and in the locker room. Dude has no handles, turnover prone and was a chucker. Defensively he's supposed to be an elite defender. I didn't see that watching Rockets games. Couldn't hit a shot if his life depended on it if he had to handle the ball even a little bit. He was given the green light to shoot the ball in Houston but his grade in the shooting department? "FAIL"!!

All around a bad fit for the Rockets.

If he doesn't handle the ball and stays to his role as a spot up shooter, he might be ok. Don't let him try to dribble the ball through traffic though.

That's Adelman's fault for rying to turn Ariza into something he wasn't.

Christ is Rocketfan fucking stupid if they think Lee is a better fit/player. Your owner saves some luxury tax on this deal. That's it.

[Indazone]

That's Adelman's fault for rying to turn Ariza into something he wasn't.

Christ is Rocketfan fucking stupid if they think Lee is a better fit/player. Your owner saves some luxury tax on this deal. That's it.

For Adleman's offense, yes Lee is a better fit. Just like Ariza is probably a better fit in the Hornets offense.

[The Franchise]

For Adleman's offense, yes Lee is a better fit. Just like Ariza is probably a better fit in the Hornets offense.

You would have better luck trying to convince a baboons ass that it stinks than trying to communicate with that fucking idiot.

[djohn2oo8]

You would have better luck trying to convince a baboons ass that it stinks than trying to communicate with that fucking idiot.

lolz

[Killakobe81]

Ariza's best fit is in the triangle with another playmaker ...

I think Cp3 will help him with getting him lobs and open 3's but he had open 3's in Houston and struggled ...

Ariza messed things up he could be in the Barnes role and would of been paid more than Barnes to do it ...

BUt his agent went for this deal. If he went to teh Cavs he would of been in an EVEN worse situation right now ...

I fell bad for the kid but he overplayed his hand and IF cp3 leabes he will be in a world of shit ...

No way Melo leaves Nuggs for Hornets ...if he leaves it's NJ or NY or Chicago ...otherwise he re-signs.

Melo is not Lebron he will get someone to join him in a prime spot ... just teasing.

[Killakobe81]

In the end ...
short-term I think Rox loses onthe talent side unless Lee really blossoms. That is 2 trades in 2 seeasons for Lee ...

Long-term Rox in good shape ...with savings.

Like many said they really just need a bout of good health ...BUt they are relying on 2 of the most injury riddled all-star caliber players these past 2 seasons in Yao and Martin.

Lee was hurt last year too IIRC ...

[Killakobe81]

I like Collison. Was surprised he dropped. Collison and granger is good combo and I hear Hibbert has been working hard.

Hornets if Ariza plays like the 2009 playoffs good pickup.

Say what you want about Lakaluva and others THEY said repeatedly that Ariza was not worth that KIND of money and that his game had holes ...

Many Spur and Rox fans ARGUED he was value at that $ and that we didnt appreciate his contributions...

I think he is better than Luva does ...but you guys were saying artest would cripple us with his shooting and his d had slipped badly but when we needed Artest he came through ...Like Ariza with BETTER 1 on 1 defense ...

[21_Blessings]

Ariza's best fit is in the triangle with another playmaker ...

He'll be perfect next to CP3. Huge upgrade over Posey.



Ariza messed things up he could be in the Barnes role and would of been paid more than Barnes to do it ...



:rollin Ariza got paid and the Lakers weren't paying Artest AND Ariza when they were 20 million over the luxury cap threshold and Odom still wasn't resigned. It was either or and the Lakers chose Ron Ron. Buss even took matters into his own hands by wining and dining Artest. If the Lakers really wanted Ariza over Ron it would have been the other way around.

[The Franchise]

In the end ...
short-term I think Rox loses onthe talent side unless Lee really blossoms. That is 2 trades in 2 seeasons for Lee ...

Long-term Rox in good shape ...with savings.

Like many said they really just need a bout of good health ...BUt they are relying on 2 of the most injury riddled all-star caliber players these past 2 seasons in Yao and Martin.

Lee was hurt last year too IIRC ...

I think Lee will be fine in Houston. He had a very productive rookie season, and I feel a lot of his struggles last year was about him just not caring after being sent from one of the best teams in the league to the taint of the NBA. That could negatively affect any player. He is now back on a winning ball club, with his summer training partner (Martin) with a coach that will put him in the best position to succeed. I have a feeling that he is going to blossom under Adelman.

[TheKingOfMIA6]

It will probably take you a while..you aren't exactly the smartest guy around..

lol'd

[Killakobe81]

He'll be perfect next to CP3. Huge upgrade over Posey.


Agree he will be better, perfect not so sure, his 3pt shot needs to revive

:rollin Ariza got paid and the Lakers weren't paying Artest AND Ariza when they were 20 million over the luxury cap threshold and Odom still wasn't resigned. It was either or and the Lakers chose Ron Ron. Buss even took matters into his own hands by wining and dining Artest. If the Lakers really wanted Ariza over Ron it would have been the other way around.

You maybe right but me thinks if Ariza takes discount he has a chance to be signed ...according to what I read: Mitch made an offer, his agent balked. Meanwhile Artest balked at a 1 year in Houston. Mitch told Ariza well seek offers and give us a chance to match. BUT Artest put out feelers... Buss got involved and the rest is history.


TBH when initial offer was made to Trevor I dont think Artest was available ...

Truth is Trevor was much better than Shannon Brown but had his limits as well and he wanted to be paid more than his worth.

[ace3g]

SpearsNBAYahoo

Ariza to Y! on CP3 call: "(Paul) just calling me let me know he was comfortable where he is and with the steps the organization is taking."

SpearsNBAYahoo

More Ariza to Y!: "(Paul said) I'll do everything to win. I'm just more hungry now. Just getting to the playoffs is not good enough for me."

SpearsNBAYahoo

Ariza to Y! on Hornets: "I want to win and help them win. I want to be an All-Star there."

SpearsNBAYahoo

Ariza told Y! Sports he was "surprised" by Rockets trade to New Orleans and didn't ask for a trade, but he's ecstatic to play with CP3.

[BRHornet45]

SpearsNBAYahoo

Ariza to Y! on CP3 call: "(Paul) just calling me let me know he was comfortable where he is and with the steps the organization is taking."



son we will be a playoff team this season, but next year will be very exciting and promising. The ownership transfer will be completed by the end of the year and Chouest is a Louisiana, billionaire willing to spend to win. Peja's huge contract will be off the books and will make room for another max contract. Paul is campaigning for Melo and I could easily see it happening.

[Indazone]

son we will be a playoff team this season, but next year will be very exciting and promising. The ownership transfer will be completed by the end of the year and Chouest is a Louisiana, billionaire willing to spend to win. Peja's huge contract will be off the books and will make room for another max contract. Paul is campaigning for Melo and I could easily see it happening.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/S0DorKLgMoI/AAAAAAAACdI/adDNHyktymE/s640/ka_ohno.jpg

Don't drink the Koolaid.

[Killakobe81]

If Paul can make ariza an All-star ... with Durant, Melo and Rudy Gay healthy at his position than CP3 REALLY IS the best PG in the NBA hands down ...

[Indazone]

Daryl Morey Interview on Courtney Lee/Ariza Trade.

http://cbskiltam.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/darylmorey.mp3?dl=1

[DaDakota]

What an awesome day in Rocket land.

Morey corrects his mistakes very fast.

Ariza was not needed, we had 4 NBA quality SFs.....and only one SG.

Now we got Lee to backup Martin and saved about $5 million in cap space and the rest of Trevors' contract.

Also, Ariza had issues in the locker room, sort of a punk.

Oh well....see ya later alligator.

DD

[redzero]

Okay, which one of you Rocketfags linked this thread to Clutchfans?

[SomeCallMeTim]

Wow. Ariza has morphed into a journeyman player rather quickly. Already his fifth team.

I like Trevor and would gladly take him back as a Laker, but I think it's fair to say his abilities were overrated. Can be a very good role player though. What he did in the 09 playoffs was fantastic for LA.

[Indazone]

Okay, which one of you Rocketfags linked this thread to Clutchfans?

You are welcome to post an interview from Hornets GM Dell Demps. In fact I welcome hearing what the other side has to say about getting Ariza and trading away a premier guard in Collison. Or what Marco Bellini brings to the table for you guys when you traded away Julian Wright. :lol

[dallaskd]

WojYahooNBA

The Pacers are negotiating a buyout with T.J. Ford's agent on the $8.5 million owed the point guard this season, league sources tell Y!.

Have the Mavs picked up the option on Barea's contract yet? If not this would be a great, cheap pickup for a backup PG.

[xcomp]

SpearsNBAYahoo

Ariza to Y! on Hornets: "I want to win and help them win. I want to be an All-Star there."


Bahahahahahaha. Still with the delusions of grandeur, eh Trevor?

I wish I could say I'll miss watching you futilely attempt to dribble with all the skillfulness and dexterity of a newborn baby antelope, but I can't. Good luck son.

[Kai]

Wow. Ariza has morphed into a journeyman player rather quickly. Already his fifth team.

I like Trevor and would gladly take him back as a Laker, but I think it's fair to say his abilities were overrated. Can be a very good role player though. What he did in the 09 playoffs was fantastic for LA.

Same can be said about Courtney Lee. 3rd year, 3rd team :lol

[DaDakota]

Look if the Rockets believe in Ariza they would not have traded him to a division rival.

The dude came into Houston with a massive "I am the star" attitude and tried to lead.

He got his crap slapped back in his face by our new leader Aaron Brooks, and he didn't like it.

Wah wah wah....

Don't let the door knob hit ya where the good lord split ya !

Not to mention we already had Chase Budinger who is better than Trevor already and learning the defensive side from Shane Battier.....Trevor would not have reacted well to a significantly reduced role which is where he was headed.

This trade was a great one for the Rockets......it was better for the team on the floor now, and it freed up cap room and kept expiring contracts to go after someone else at the trade deadline if they want to.

A win trade for Houston, and for Trevor too, as he goes to a team with a superstar player in CP3 and can fade back into the background as a role player where he belongs.

He will clearly be behind CP3 and West in the pecking order, and can flourish there.....

A good trade for everyone.

DD

[Hornets1]

I think this trade helps everyone. Ariza will flourish with CP3, West, Okafor, and Marcus "the microwave" Thornton. I really like this move. I will pull for the pacers more now b/c of collison. He now has the keys to his own team, and I wish him nothing but the best.

[Pelicans78]

Okafor and Ariza both suck. And we're stuck with them for 4 more years. At least the World Cup will be back by then.

[Pelicans78]

Seriously, this guy is garbage. It's so obvious watching him how worthless he really is. Dude has no game other than dunking. He can play defense, but we could have been more patient and let Pondexter develop who has more skills than Ariza. Now we're banking out future on two guys in Okafor and Ariza who are role players and have no offensive game whatsoever.

[Indazone]

Ahh remember when people used to talk about Okafor and Dwight Howard in the same breathe. They used to call them carbon copies of each other. Oh how the times have changed.

[Red Hawk #21]

Why does Okafor suck so much anyway? I've never understood it, he's a very talented player but he's underachieved pretty much his whole career in the league.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Ahh remember when people used to talk about Okafor and Dwight Howard in the same breathe. They used to call them carbon copies of each other. Oh how the times have changed.

they both have relatively no post moves still...

[DeadlyDynasty]

Houston has themselves a pretty formidable squad if Yao can stay healthy...just took a look at their roster and it looks beast

[DaDakota]

Houston has themselves a pretty formidable squad if Yao can stay healthy...just took a look at their roster and it looks beast

We have 2 deep at every position, if Yao is healthy we are top 3 in the WC.

DD

[Andrew Bynum]

I get a boner every time I see the DD's.

[djohn2oo8]

We have 2 deep at every position, if Yao is healthy we are top 3 in the WC.

DD

I'm really excited to see what Patrick Patterson can bring to the table. Not trying to get too high on him yet, but I think he has star potential.

[djohn2oo8]

Houston has themselves a pretty formidable squad if Yao can stay healthy...just took a look at their roster and it looks beast

I Still think we are one impact player away from being in the upper echelon

[La Mont]

I'm really excited to see what Patrick Patterson can bring to the table. Not trying to get too high on him yet, but I think he has star potential.

It seems you have yet to get the reason why on earth we made the quadrilateral trade. umm... Before the trade we got a payroll as high as 81 million, which would result in about 10 m luxury tax. We managed to trim about 8 m off the book through the trade but I can hardly find any upgrade to our squad the trade brought about.

ahhh... man, Les must have played a heavy role urging Morey to make this trade. among the 4 teams we were the only side that made this trade for the simple purpose of financial relief.

[djohn2oo8]

It seems you have yet to get the reason why on earth we made the quadrilateral trade. umm... Before the trade we got a payroll as high as 81 million, which would result in about 10 m luxury tax. We managed to trim about 8 m off the book through the trade but I can hardly find any upgrade to our squad the trade brought about.

ahhh... man, Les must have played a heavy role urging Morey to make this trade. among the 4 teams we were the only side that made this trade for the simple purpose of financial relief.

21 Blessings can't even make a decent troll, since he is already a terrible one as it is

[La Mont]

21 Blessings can't even make a decent troll, since he is already a terrible one as it is

u must have not ever listened to ur local radio shows. or your not truly from Houston? or you can't understand their talk at all? hahhh man, every rockets fan knows Les is a Grandet, so you must know that too unless your not a real rockets fan.

[La Mont]

Spurs owner is a Shylock, BTW.

[La Mont]

while, what do u all think the Mavs owner is? Don Xicote?