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DarrinS
08-13-2010, 10:01 AM
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/printarticle.cfm/in--i-bush-v--obama-i--bush-wins-in-a-rout-15497





According to Reuters:

President Barack Obama attacked the economic policies of his Republican predecessor George W. Bush in Bush's home state ... as evidence of the way Republicans would operate if given power in Nov. 2 U.S. congressional elections.

At a fund-raising event for Democrats in Dallas, where Bush now lives, Obama said the former president's "disastrous" policies had driven the U.S. economy into the ground and turned budget surpluses into deficits.

Obama defended his repeated references to Bush's policies, saying they were necessary to remind Americans of the weak economy he inherited from Bush in January 2009.

"The policies that crashed the economy, that undercut the middle class, that mortgaged our future, do we really want to go back to that, or do we keep moving our country forward?" Obama said at another fund-raising event in Austin, referring to Bush's eight years as president.

So President Obama describes his predecessor’s policies as “disastrous.” Just for the fun of it, let’s do compare the two records, shall we?

In the wake of a recession that began roughly seven weeks after President Bush took office, America experienced six years of uninterrupted economic growth and a record 52 straight months of job creation that produced more than 8 million new jobs. During the Bush presidency, the unemployment rate averaged 5.3 percent. We saw labor-productivity gains that averaged 2.5 percent annually — a rate that exceeds the averages of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. Real after-tax income per capita increased by more than 11 percent. And from 2000 to 2007, real GDP grew by more than 17 percent, a gain of nearly $2.1 trillion.

As for Obama’s claim that Bush “turned a budget surplus into a deficit”: by January 2001, when Bush was inaugurated, the budget surpluses were already evaporating as the economy was skidding toward recession (it officially began in March 2001). Combined with the devastating economic effects of 9/11, when we lost around 1 million jobs over 90 days, the surplus went into deficit.

Rather than whine incessantly about the situation, President Bush proposed policies that triggered the kind of sustained growth that saw the deficit fall to 1 percent of GDP ($162 billion) by 2007. Indeed, before the financial crisis of 2008 – which I’ll return to in a moment — Bush’s budget deficits were 0.6 percentage points below the historical average. (My former White House colleague Keith Hennessey eviscerates Obama’s assertion that we faced a “decade of spiraling deficits” here).

Now let’s consider Mr. Obama’s record: an unemployment rate of 9.5 percent, with 131,000 jobs lost in July, during our so-called Recovery Summer (Vice President Biden promised us up to 500,000 new jobs a month back in April). The overall unemployment rate, incorporating people who want jobs but did not look during July, is now 16.5 percent.

According to J.D. Foster, Obama’s “job deficit” — the difference between current employment and the jobs Obama promised to create by the end of 2010 – stands at a staggering 7.6 million workers. The 2010 deficit is $1.471 trillion, or 10 percent of GDP, while the debt is $9.2 trillion, or 62.7 percent of GDP. (From January 20, 2001, to January 20, 2009, the debt held by the public grew $3 trillion under Bush, from $3.3 trillion to $6.3 trillion; in 20 months, Mr. Obama will add as much debt as Mr. Bush ran up in eight years.) And let’s not forget that the Obama administration passed an $862 billion stimulus package and assured us that unemployment would not exceed 8 percent; instead, unemployment topped 10 percent – a figure higher than what the Obama administration said would occur if the stimulus package wasn’t passed.

Sales of new homes collapsed earlier this year, sinking 33 percent to the lowest level on record (new home sales rose in June from May’s historical low, but the overall pace was still the second slowest on record, the Commerce Department reported.

Not surprisingly, the Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index now stands at 50.4. As a reference point, a reading above 90 indicates that the economy is on solid footing, while above 100 signals strong growth. We also learned on Tuesday that the Federal Reserve, downgrading its assessment of the economy, announced that the pace of recovery is “more modest” than it had anticipated. “The Fed noted that high unemployment, modest income growth, lower housing wealth and tight credit were holding back household spending,” according to the Wall Street Journal.

Consider this as well: according to the Obama administration’s own projections, in the first term we’ll see an average unemployment rate of 9.0 percent, real GDP growth of 1.1 percent, federal spending as a percentage of GDP at 24 percent, budget deficits as a percentage of GDP at 7.8 percent, and the deficits as a percentage of GDP at 6.2 percent (see here).

These projections are, across-the-board, depressing.

Now, unlike Obama, whose intellectual dishonesty can be striking at times, some of us are willing to concede that things need to be placed within a proper context. Obama took the oath of office in the wake of a financial collapse that made every economic indicator much worse; it’s only fair to take that into account. But even here, in characterizing what happened, Obama has to present a cartoon image, distorted and disfigured, pretending that it was wholly and completely the fault of President Bush and Republicans.

In fact, it was a complex set of factors that both Republicans and Democrats were complicit in. In addition, it’s worth noting that Democrats were in control of Congress beginning in January 2007 -- and Congress is where legislation, including appropriations and tax legislation, is passed.

Second, spending would have been much higher during the Bush presidency if Democrats had their way. To take just one example: Democrats proposed creating a prescription-drug program as an alternative to the one Bush proposed that would have cost a projected $800 billion over 10 years. The Bush prescription-drug law was originally expected to cost half that amount — and today it costs a third less than initial projections because it uses market forces to drive prices down (see here and here).

Third, Democrats bear the majority of the blame for blocking reforms that could have mitigated the effects of the housing crisis, which in turn led to the broader financial crisis.

As Stuart Taylor put it in 2008:

The pretense of many Democrats that this crisis is altogether a Republican creation is simplistic and dangerous. It is simplistic because Democrats have been a big part of the problem, in part by supporting governmental distortions of the marketplace through mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, whose reckless lending practices necessitated a $200 billion government rescue [in September 2008]. ... Fannie and Freddie appear to have played a major role in causing the current crisis, in part because their quasi-governmental status violated basic principles of a healthy free enterprise system by allowing them to privatize profit while socializing risk.

The Bush administration warned as early as April 2001 that Fannie and Freddie were too large and overleveraged and that their failure "could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting federally insured entities and economic activity" well beyond housing. Bush’s plan would have subjected Fannie and Freddie to the kinds of federal regulation that banks, credit unions, and savings and loans have to comply with. In addition, Republican Richard Shelby, then chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, pushed for comprehensive GSE (government-sponsored enterprises) reform in 2005. And who blocked these efforts at reforming Fannie and Freddie? Democrats such as Christopher Dodd and Representative Barney Frank, along with the then-junior senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, who backed Dodd’s threat of a filibuster (Obama was the third-largest recipient of campaign gifts from Fannie and Freddie employees in 2004).

So Obama and his party bear a substantial (though not exclusive) responsibility in creating the economic crisis that Obama himself inherited.

Even if you set all this aside, Obama entered office knowing what he faced, including a deficit and debt that was exploding. And rather than promote policies that accelerated economic growth and began to address our fiscal entitlement crisis, Obama went in exactly the opposite direction. For example, Obama succeeded in passing a massive new entitlement program (ObamaCare) rather than trimming existing ones.

Upon taking office, George W. Bush inherited an economy heading for recession and championed policies that made things better; upon taking office, Barack Obama inherited an economy in a deeper recession and championed policies that have made things worse. That is a key different between the two.

The problem for President Obama is that he and his party cannot escape the record he has amassed. As Karl Rove has written:

Voters know it is Mr. Obama and Democratic leaders who approved a $410 billion supplemental (complete with 8,500 earmarks) in the middle of the last fiscal year, and then passed a record-spending budget for this one. Mr. Obama and Democrats approved an $862 billion stimulus and a $1 trillion health-care overhaul, and they now are trying to add $266 billion in "temporary" stimulus spending to permanently raise the budget baseline.

It is the president and Congressional allies who refuse to return the $447 billion unspent stimulus dollars and want to use repayments of TARP loans for more spending rather than reducing the deficit. It is the president who gave Fannie and Freddie carte blanche to draw hundreds of billions from the Treasury. It is the Democrats' profligacy that raised the share of the GDP taken by the federal government to 24% this fiscal year.

This is what Obama has done now that he has been given the keys to the car (to use a favorite metaphor of his). He’s taken us from a ditch, one largely of his and his party’s making, and driven us into the side of mountain.

On his worst day, the economic decisions by Obama’s predecessor were better, more responsible, and more enlightened that anything President Obama has done.

The Economic Urban Legend carefully created by Barack Obama is breaking apart. According to some polls, more Americans now hold Obama responsible for the bad state of the economy than they do Bush. Bush’s favorability ratings are climbing, while Obama’s approval ratings are tumbling. Republican candidates are running on extending Bush’s tax cuts beyond this year. And Democrats now face the prospect of losing both the House and even the Senate in the midterm election. (In Bush’s first midterm election, in 2002, as well as in 2004, Republicans gained seats in both the House and the Senate, only the second time in history that a president’s party gained seats in both chambers in back-to-back elections.)

George W. Bush’s presidency was certainly not perfect; none are. But like Truman before him, Bush’s achievements will be vindicated. Unless he changes course fairly dramatically, I rather doubt the same thing will be said about Mr. Obama.

clambake
08-13-2010, 10:24 AM
butt hurt with a dash of rove.

DarrinS
08-13-2010, 10:24 AM
butt hurt with a dash of rove.

So, you have no opinion about the facts?

clambake
08-13-2010, 10:26 AM
So, you have no opinion about the facts?

this is a fact. bush did what he had to do. it was the only descent thing he ever did.

boutons_deux
08-13-2010, 10:54 AM
"On his worst day, the economic decisions by Obama’s predecessor were better, more responsible, and more enlightened that anything President Obama has done."

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

clambake
08-13-2010, 10:57 AM
what else did you expect pete to say, darrin?

DarrinS
08-13-2010, 10:59 AM
what else did you expect pete to say, darrin?

What are the factual errors you take issue with?

CosmicCowboy
08-13-2010, 10:59 AM
This message is hidden because boutons_deux is on your ignore list.

:lol

life is good!

clambake
08-13-2010, 11:04 AM
What are the factual errors you take issue with?

how about the fact that he won't call out his former boss for breaking the back of this country.

"i wouldn't buy an apple from this crooked son of a bitch."

DarrinS
08-13-2010, 11:17 AM
how about the fact that he won't call out his former boss for breaking the back of this country.

"i wouldn't buy an apple from this crooked son of a bitch."


Do I need to bust out my Democrat quotes on the soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac?

hater
08-13-2010, 11:19 AM
:lmao

great comedy

clambake
08-13-2010, 11:19 AM
does the buck stop at obama? i say yes. what do you say?

clambake
08-13-2010, 11:23 AM
the Bush administration warned as early as April 2001 that Fannie and Freddie were too large and overleveraged and that their failure "could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting federally insured entities and economic activity" well beyond housing. Bush’s plan would have subjected Fannie and Freddie to the kinds of federal regulation that banks, credit unions, and savings and loans have to comply with.

pure comedy

DarrinS
08-13-2010, 11:28 AM
the Bush administration warned as early as April 2001 that Fannie and Freddie were too large and overleveraged and that their failure "could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting federally insured entities and economic activity" well beyond housing. Bush’s plan would have subjected Fannie and Freddie to the kinds of federal regulation that banks, credit unions, and savings and loans have to comply with.

pure comedy



Yeah. Too bad there was so much pushback from the Dems.

_MGT_cSi7Rs

clambake
08-13-2010, 11:30 AM
but he was "the decider". and he "decided".

clambake
08-13-2010, 11:31 AM
does the buck stop at obama? i say yes. what do you say?

crickets

jack sommerset
08-13-2010, 11:31 AM
the Bush administration warned as early as April 2001 that Fannie and Freddie were too large and overleveraged and that their failure "could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting federally insured entities and economic activity" well beyond housing. Bush’s plan would have subjected Fannie and Freddie to the kinds of federal regulation that banks, credit unions, and savings and loans have to comply with.

pure comedy

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clambake
08-13-2010, 11:32 AM
are you saying barney whipped "the deciders" ass?

jack sommerset
08-13-2010, 11:32 AM
but he was "the decider". and he "decided".

Faggot, you can't have it both ways. Either you want to blame bush or blame obama. Which is it?

clambake
08-13-2010, 11:37 AM
does the buck stop at obama? i say yes. what do you say?


Faggot, you can't have it both ways. Either you want to blame bush or blame obama. Which is it?

try to keep up, jack.

j.dizzle
08-13-2010, 11:44 AM
No offense to any Obama lovers here but the guy is an absolute amateur & has no real business knowledge. Theres a reason why corporations are sitting on about 2 trillion in cash right now..Nobody wants to invest right now because Barack Woods & his administration are scaring the shit out of everyone with their policies. Hopefully after November, the economy will start picking up some steam.

clambake
08-13-2010, 11:47 AM
No offense to any Obama lovers here but the guy is an absolute amateur & has no real business knowledge. Theres a reason why corporations are sitting on about 2 trillion in cash right now..Nobody wants to invest right now because Barack Woods & his administration are scaring the shit out of everyone with their policies. Hopefully after November, the economy will start picking up some steam.

what kind of business knowledge is required to repair an 8 year abortion?

DarrinS
08-13-2010, 11:52 AM
Summer of recovery? Or, summer of malaise?

By the way, clambake is really kicking some ass in this thread.

jack sommerset
08-13-2010, 11:55 AM
Summer of recovery? Or, summer of malaise?

By the way, clambake is really kicking some ass in this thread.

No shit. I guess from today on he will blame Obama.

EmptyMan
08-13-2010, 12:01 PM
what kind of business knowledge is required to repair an 8 year abortion?

lmao


An eight year abortion. Must be embarrassing repeating the elementary school lines of Pelosi. The bulk of those years were a GREAT time to make money. At the very least there was plenty of opportunity to create enough capital to throw in long-term appreciating assets to weather this current storm. J dizzle just broke it down and you keep up the charade lmao

clambake
08-13-2010, 12:05 PM
lmao


An eight year abortion. Must be embarrassing repeating the elementary school lines of Pelosi. The bulk of those years were a GREAT time to make money. At the very least there was plenty of opportunity to create enough capital to throw in long-term appreciating assets to weather this current storm. J dizzle just broke it down and you keep up the charade lmao

i don't listen to pelosi because she sucks. (apparently you do)

and i'm not worried about my personal finances.

but go ahead and carry the water. your user name is spot on.

jack sommerset
08-13-2010, 12:10 PM
i don't listen to pelosi because she sucks. (apparently you do)

and i'm not worried about my personal finances.

but go ahead and carry the water. your user name is spot on.

You're complicated it. Just tell people the buck stops with Obama and that is who you blame for everthing that has happened since he is in office and until he leaves.

Today is a new era for clambake. Blame Obama.

boutons_deux
08-13-2010, 12:12 PM
"Bush’s plan would have subjected Fannie and Freddie to the kinds of federal regulation that banks, credit unions, and savings and loans have to comply with."

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Repugs pushing for financial sector regulations?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

DarrinS
08-13-2010, 12:14 PM
"Bush’s plan would have subjected Fannie and Freddie to the kinds of federal regulation that banks, credit unions, and savings and loans have to comply with."

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Repugs pushing for financial sector regulations?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol



A few more :lol would have made this post much better.

clambake
08-13-2010, 12:19 PM
You're complicated it. Just tell people the buck stops with Obama and that is who you blame for everthing that has happened since he is in office and until he leaves.

Today is a new era for clambake. Blame Obama.

he's gotta deal with 2 bucks.

too bad no one around here is man enough to admit.

rjv
08-13-2010, 12:29 PM
personally, i think the two of them together have done a great job of screwing things up. and while we're at it, lets throw in papa bush, the clintons and mr. bedtime for bonzo.

jack sommerset
08-13-2010, 12:56 PM
he's gotta deal with 2 bucks.

too bad no one around here is man enough to admit.

You are man enough to blame Obama for spending more money than any other president in the history of th W O R L D D D D D D d d d (atleast the usa) and not fixing a godadamn thing. In fact making it worse. I applaud you sir. You were man enough to change.

Stand up and take a bow. You deserve it! :toast

clambake
08-13-2010, 12:57 PM
You are man enough to blame Obama for spending more money than any other president in the history of th W O R L D D D D D D d d d (atleast the usa) and not fixing a godadamn thing. In fact making it worse. I applaud you sir. You were man enough to change.

Stand up and take a bow. You deserve it! :toast

chickenshit

jack sommerset
08-13-2010, 01:02 PM
chickenshit

Goddamnit Clambake. I am giving you props. Might be the first person on this site to do so. Blame Obama!!!

clambake
08-13-2010, 01:03 PM
Goddamnit Clambake. I am giving you props. Might be the first person on this site to do so. Blame Obama!!!

stupid and gutless.

i think you're complete.