Rank these shooting guards 1-3

[picc84]

Fully healthy.

http://www.manwhole.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/joe_johnson.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uuvOUR1bqLA/SYNaq2CiT3I/AAAAAAAAAmQ/ucZHcyt4AV0/s320/Roy.jpg

http://theurbanian.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Manu-Ginobili1.jpg

[Purch]

Regular season
Roy
Johnson
Manu

Playoffs
Roy
Manu













Johnson

[SomeCallMeTim]

Manu > Roy > Johnson

[resistanze]

Roy
Manu
JJ

[IronMexican]

Roy
Manu
JJ

[Darrin]

Fully healthy.

http://www.manwhole.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/joe_johnson.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uuvOUR1bqLA/SYNaq2CiT3I/AAAAAAAAAmQ/ucZHcyt4AV0/s320/Roy.jpg

http://theurbanian.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Manu-Ginobili1.jpg

Roy
Distant second is Johnson
Third by a hair is Ginobili.

[picc84]

^^manu not even close?

[LkrFan]

This is easy. Fully healthy? Manu, Roy, JJ. Manu has been a thorn in the Lakers side for years. Roy is a close second when healthy. JJ is not in the conversation and that mega KT he got from ATL is a cruel joke.

[Darrin]

^^manu not even close?

Close to calling it between Johnson and Ginobili. Roy is better than both by a large margin. I love JJ, but he's a one-on-one player. I like Ginobili, but he's too inconsistent to be an elite guard. That's all that stands in his way. He's not consistently a cut-above. Roy is, if he's healthy.

[HarlemHeat37]

Manu is last if we're talking about an entire season..if we're talking about potential peak performance, he might be #1..I would take Manu of the 2nd half of last season over both guys..at this point in his career, I doubt he would be able to handle the load of the other guys for an entire season..

I would go..

Roy

Johnson
Manu

If I was in a playoff series or a critical game and needed a win, I'd go:

Manu
Roy

Johnson

[Venti Quattro]

Put a gun to my head:

Manu
Roy
JJ

[ezau]

In his prime, Manu stomps over the other two. Right, I'd say it's Roy, Manu, then JJ

[picc84]

Assume the playoffs are starting and you're picking from the pool. All 3 are healthy and in top shape.

[Henke]

Roy

Ginobili
Johnson

[ogait]

You said fully healthy but I assume you also meant about their abilities right now so I would go:

Roy
Manu
JJ

If it was their very best I would choose Manu over Roy over JJ.

Ginobili NBA career stat-wise will always pale in comparison with other shooting guards, most of them volume shooters who were for the most part of their careers the first option on their respective teams. Add that to the fact that he only entered the NBA at age 25, was used to a different style of play, shorter and fewer games over the course of a season, plus his national teams duties and you have a full case why he´s rated so low for an entire NBA season.

But well, in the end play-offs are what matters the most and that's when you have to be at the top of your game and no way I would take any of these guys over Ginobili.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

You said fully healthy but I assume you also meant about their abilities right now so I would go:

Roy
Manu
JJ

If it was their very best I would choose Manu over Roy over JJ.



This

[DAF86]

Manu > Roy > Johnson

Esto.

[DAF86]

Close to calling it between Johnson and Ginobili. Roy is better than both by a large margin. I love JJ, but he's a one-on-one player. I like Ginobili, but he's too inconsistent to be an elite guard. That's all that stands in his way. He's not consistently a cut-above. Roy is, if he's healthy.

And Roy is? Dude has spent half of his career injured.

[TD 21]

Assume the playoffs are starting and you're picking from the pool. All 3 are healthy and in top shape.

Based on that, Ginobili hands down. Despite his age and injury history, his peak is still higher than Roy's and Johnson's. When he's right, Ginobili can look as good as any player in the game for stretches. Even two years ago, during his (to this point) career year, I don't ever remember thinking Roy was even top five for a stretch, let alone as good as any player. Johnson is not really in the discussion no matter how you want to break it down. The only thing he has on Roy and Ginobili is durability.

Shooting guard has the most clearly defined top five out of any of the positions though. You can debate the order of the top two and three-five, but the five players are cut and dried.

[ogait]

And Roy is? Dude has spent half of his career injured.

This is actually a good point. I think Roy is seen by many as this elite guard trailing only to Kobe Bryant and D Wade and with all the future ahead of him but that's not exactly true.

He´s been in the league for 4 year but since he played 4 year in college he's already 26, it's not like we're talking about Kevin Durant.

I mean if we compare his career, even stat-wise, with guys like Vince Carter or T Mac when they were the same age it's not even close and look what happened to them when injuries happen and their athletic abilities started to drop.

He's still young and has the best years ahead of him but he better not wait until he hits 30 to start showing it.

[8FOR!3]

Manu
Roy
JJ

[Chieflion]

With all 3 healthy and in top shape, Brandon Roy comes first for me. Next would be Manu Ginobili, then that loser Joe Johnson.

[DAF86]

Also, the consistency argument is unfair. It's a lot easier to be "consistent" and put good stats game after game when you're the number one option and know that no matter how you're playing you'll still get your 20 shots and 35/40 minutes.

[noob cake]

Regular Season:
Roy


Ginobli
Johnson

Playoff:

Roy
Ginobli





Johnson

[DAF86]

What do you guys base on to say that Roy > player "X" in the playoffs? He played only two playoffs series (one and a half really) and lost both.

[DesignatedT]

Roy
Manu
Johnson.

for this season.

[lil_penny]

What do you guys base on to say that Roy > player "X" in the playoffs? He played only two playoffs series (one and a half really) and lost both.

he had solid numbers the one series he was healthy against the defense of both artest and battier. I'm on my phone so can't post the stats but if I remember correct had a damn good series against houston while shooting a high percentage.. he did lose both series but it was because both the teams he was playing against were better. There is no doubt manu has had the better carreer as of now.. but with all three players healthy today I would take roy then manu and then jj... but there were some games last year that I though manu was comming back to his old self.

[Ashy Larry]

Flopping .....

Manu

















































































































































































Roy
Johnson

[BadOdor]

Always count on argi fan coming in here slobbing manu>whoever.

The truth is, manu would not last 30 games playing under the strain roy or johnson play as number 1's(the defensive attention and 40+ minutes a game).

I'd take him behind roy in the playoffs though.

JJ is shit.

[oh crap]

overall

roy>gino>jj

[Darrin]

And Roy is? Dude has spent half of his career injured.

Read original post. Injuries don't factor into it. And it's not like Ginobili is an iron-man.

[Juanobili]

1. Manu
2. Roy
3. Joe

[DAF86]

Always count on argi fan coming in here slobbing manu>whoever.

The truth is, manu would not last 30 games playing under the strain roy or johnson play as number 1's(the defensive attention and 40+ minutes a game).

I'd take him behind roy in the playoffs though.

JJ is shit.

Link? Or are we just making shit up now?

[DAF86]

he had solid numbers the one series he was healthy against the defense of both artest and battier. I'm on my phone so can't post the stats but if I remember correct had a damn good series against houston while shooting a high percentage.. he did lose both series but it was because both the teams he was playing against were better. There is no doubt manu has had the better carreer as of now.. but with all three players healthy today I would take roy then manu and then jj... but there were some games last year that I though manu was comming back to his old self.

I know, I'm just saying that that's not a big enough sample size to so firmly affirm that Roy > whoever in the playoffs.

[DAF86]

Read original post. Injuries don't factor into it. And it's not like Ginobili is an iron-man.

Manu's "injury proness" is way overblown, dude has had one serious injury in 15 years as a pro.

And about the consistency issue, this is my thought:


Also, the consistency argument is unfair. It's a lot easier to be "consistent" and put good stats game after game when you're the number one option and know that no matter how you're playing you'll still get your 20 shots and 35/40 minutes.

[hater]

Right now, right now if playoffs started:

I take Manu with all his championship experience

Roy might be better but this is the playoffs and experience/clutchness counts triple

JJ is a distant 3rd

[ohmwrecker]

Ginobili
Roy
Johnson

[Cry Havoc]

Manu, when healthy and motivated, is arguably a top 3 guard in the league. He puts up numbers that rival anyone else at the 2 position, and usually does it with better efficiency.

However, it's obvious that Manu is also fairly streaky and has a habit of taking a lot of 3s if he's feeling it. While many times this is a feast, it can also be a famine.

I'd have to say Manu for the playoffs though, simply because he's better with intangibles than either Roy or JJ at this point in their careers. Manu just makes things happen on a court, and they usually work out extremely well for the team.

[picc84]

Roy is more consistent but Manu definitely has the most intangibles of the 3.

[elemento]

Manu
Roy
JJ

in that order

[Jt.ONE]

fully healthy : manu / roy / johnson

fuck joe johnson and all the the money he's "making" off of atlanta =[