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nbaman99
08-17-2010, 01:38 AM
Some names are not even open for debate. You just unhook the velvet rope and let them walk down the red carpet. Others are like fine wine that take years to age and develop full body.



With the gold-plated careers of Karl Malone and Scottie Pippen officially enshrined and with Gus Johnson and Dennis Johnson finally recognized as members of the Class of 2010, it is the perfect time to consider how many future Hall of Famers we might be watching when the 2010-11 season tips off in October?

Stone-Cold Locks
Kobe Bryant -- There is no debate here, no discussion. He is the pre-eminent winner, the fiercest competitor in the game today. If you need numbers, just take the biggest ones -- five championships, two Finals MVP awards, eight All-NBA first team selections. He is the closest thing that exists to a 21st century Michael Jordan.

Shaquille O'Neal -- Most Dominant Ever? Certainly the most physically imposing center ever to play the game. Another no-brainer who was almost unstoppable in his prime when he combined brute strength with great moves and footwork. Four championships, three Finals MVPs, 15-time All-Star. From Superman to Shaq Fu to Diesel to the Big Aristotle to the Big Cactus to the Big Shamroq, nobody has ever combined as much on-court talent with off-court personality.

Tim Duncan -- The Big Fundamental entered the league in 1997 and almost instantly transformed the Spurs from bridesmaids into four-time champs. Nothing flashy, never noisy. Just a commitment to doing all of the little (and big) things that make a difference. Two-time MVP, three-time Finals MVP and arguably the greatest power forward of all time.

Dwyane Wade -- Even before he hit the free-agent jackpot and got his buddies LeBron James and Chris Bosh to relocate to Miami, he carried the Heat (and Shaq) to the 2006 championship, winning the Finals MVP in the process. Won scoring title in 2009 and now might just be getting warmed up.

Kevin Garnett -- Tall, long, quick, fierce, relentless. He didn't need the 2004 MVP award, 2008 Defensive Player of the Year award and an '08 championship at Boston to stamp his Hall of Fame passport, but it didn't hurt. All those years when the Timberwolves were going nowhere, he was an All-Star, All-Everything, MVP and Hall of Fame trash talker.

LeBron James -- You can hold "The Decision" against him. Despite his ungraceful exit, he gave the Cavs the best stretch of NBA success in their history, a Finals berth, winning consecutive MVP awards and leading Cleveland to the best regular-season record in the league in 2009 and 2010. His stats last season -- 29.7 points, 7.3 rebounds, 8.6 assists and 50.3 percent from the field -- were the best since Oscar Robertson. The next stop in Miami could only make him bigger.

Dirk Nowitzki -- Don't say he does not belong because he doesn't have a ring. He's done everything else, including carrying the Mavericks to the Finals in 2006 and a string of 10 consecutive 50-win seasons that is still alive. Best shooting big man in the game, he is the Big D in Big D.

Jason Kidd -- Mr. Versatility is third on the all-time regular season list for triple-doubles and second in the playoffs. In short, there was nothing he couldn't do in his prime, including taking the Nets to the Finals (twice).

Steve Nash -- Whoever expected the South African-born Canadian citizen out of Santa Clara University to do all of this? Back-to-back MVPs, four trips to the Western Conference finals, seven All-Star Games, three All-NBA first team picks. Just watch him handle the ball and run an offense and there are no questions.

Allen Iverson -- Pound for pound, maybe the toughest little dude ever to lace up a pair of sneakers. The tattoos, cornrows and drama around coaches and practice often overshadowed the splendid talent and competitor. Rookie of the Year, MVP, four-time scoring champ, 11-time All-Star and he almost-singlehandedly dragged the Sixers to the Finals in 2001.

At The Door
Manu Ginobili -- Surely, Hall voters wouldn't hold the fact that he was often the Spurs' second- or third-leading scorer against him. The Argentinian tornado has been the spice and the difference-maker in the Spurs' lineup through three championships, not to mention the worldwide success of Team Argentina.

Paul Pierce -- The Truth could have gotten frustrated and bailed out on the Celtics long before Garnett and Ray Allen rode into town. But he kept the faith and was the lead horse and Finals MVP in 2008.

Chauncey Billups -- He had to fight through four previous NBA stops before Mr. Big Shot found his place in the middle of the Pistons' magic in 2004 and was Finals MVP. Made seven straight conference finals trips with Detroit and Denver.

Ray Allen -- Second on the all-time list for 3-pointers made and closing in on Reggie Miller. At 35, he's still got the most fundamental shooting stroke in the game today.

Tony Parker -- It's a three-legged stool in San Antonio that falls over short of three championships without the flying Frenchman at the point. He gets bonus points for taking all that grief from Pop and getting stronger.

Work To Do
Dwight Howard -- Last season he became the first player in history to lead the league in rebounds, blocked shots and field goal percentage for two straight seasons. Needs to improve free throws to become a closer. But well on his way.

Chris Paul -- Without a doubt the best ball-handler in the league. He can go anyplace he wants to on the floor and get the ball to any teammate for an open shot. Only needs time to pad the resume.

Carmelo Anthony -- The high-volume shooter can definitely fill up the basket. But there's still something missing, perhaps learning to become the leader his team needs at both ends of the floor.

Pau Gasol -- More offensive skills than any other big man in the league today. If he stays close to Kobe for another handful of years, he could ride into Springfield on his coattails.

Amar'e Stoudemire -- This is when we find out about STAT now that he's the center of attention as Mr. Max Contract in New York. Were all those numbers the product of Steve Nash or can he do it alone?

Yao Ming -- Post-Steve Francis and post-Tracy McGrady, his health and how far he takes the Rockets in the next few seasons could lift him from international symbol to real ground-breaker.

Deron Williams -- Overshadowed by Steve Nash and Chris Paul in the West, finally made his All-Star debut in 2010 and might be the best all-around point guard in the league.

Brandon Roy -- Rookie of the Year (2007), three All-Star appearances in four seasons. It's already just him and Kobe among shooting guards in the West.

Tracy McGrady -- Seven-time All-Star and two-time scoring champion. But in fact, the only scoring champion in league history to have never won a single playoff series. Is there a soft, bridge-burning wing in the Hall?

Down The Road
Kevin Durant -- The youngest scoring champ in league history, an All-Star and All-NBA first team pick at 21 years old. It's K.D.'s world and we're just living in it.

Rajon Rondo -- He's gone from a questionable chink in the armor of the Big Three to driving force in the green machine and potential strongest link to the next Celtics championship.

Derrick Rose -- He can drive, he can dish, he can finish and he's just getting warmed up in a career that could put up another banner or two at the United Center.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/fran_blinebury/08/15/future.hall.of.famers/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

FeZZy
08-17-2010, 04:03 AM
Thanks for the article great read

SsKSpurs21
08-17-2010, 09:44 AM
manu is definitely in. remember this is the BASKETBALL hall of fame, not the NBA hall of fame. Manu's international resume is head and shoulders above some the "stone-cold locks" that were listed. same applies for Dirk.

cantthinkofanything
08-17-2010, 09:49 AM
It's hard to argue with most of the list. I agree that Manu should be a lock.

Serious question:

At this point, is LeBron really a stone cold lock?
If his career ended today, is he in?

mexpurs21
08-17-2010, 10:32 AM
It's hard to argue with most of the list. I agree that Manu should be a lock.

Serious question:

At this point, is LeBron really a stone cold lock?
If his career ended today, is he in?

I don't think so, since he hasn't been able to lead his team to an NBA championship.

cantthinkofanything
08-17-2010, 10:53 AM
Manu is first ballot. An international player goes in every year first off, on top of that Manu has done some crazy things. All those titles, MVPs overseas, having Pop ask him if he'll ever become a normal human being. Dude is awesome.

Hey Phila,

What's your call on LeBron?
I agree with the previous poster that if his career ended today, he's not a lock. Shouldn't be in that first group. Especially if Manu is not.

E-RockWill
08-17-2010, 10:58 AM
IMO:
Manu is a lock. He has won everywhere he's been.
Lebron, today, is not. If he lives up to half of the basketball expectations of him, reputation alone gets him in.

coyotes_geek
08-17-2010, 11:10 AM
It's hard to argue with most of the list. I agree that Manu should be a lock.

Serious question:

At this point, is LeBron really a stone cold lock?
If his career ended today, is he in?

Every player to win an MVP is in the HOF. Lebron has 2 of them. Yeah, he's a lock. Even if he never wins a title.

8FOR!3
08-17-2010, 11:20 AM
I really don't think Yao will ever be a Hall of Famer tbh.

duhoh
08-17-2010, 11:30 AM
I really don't think Yao will ever be a Hall of Famer tbh.

from his play alone, i would agree. but given what he's done for the international fanbase for the NBA, it becomes a grey area. i mean the guy draws higher ratings than the superbowl. that has to count for something. if he wins only one title, he's a lock.

Galileo
08-17-2010, 02:50 PM
People who belong IN:

Artis Gilmore

Sidney Moncreif

Bernard King

Galileo
08-17-2010, 02:51 PM
I really don't think Yao will ever be a Hall of Famer tbh.

He might get in based on his world impact on the game. In may ways, he is the most popular player in the entire history of the NBA.

He even got Steve Francis to start a few all-star games.

:lmao

Galileo
08-17-2010, 03:54 PM
You're kidding me, none of those guys are in the Hall? Bernard King and Artis should have been first ballot, if not shortly after.

According to the databaseBasketball hall of fame monitor, here's who isn't in, but should be:

http://www.databasebasketball.com/leaders/leadershof.htm

Paul Westphal, Artis Gilmore, Spencer Haywood, Bernard King (on borderline)

current or not yet eligible players who will get in

Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'neal, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Allen Iverson, LeBron James, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Chris Webber, Tracy McGrady

I agree with all these, but Webber might have to wait a long time and McGrady might not ever get in.

According to basketball reference, here is who should be in:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob_career.html

ACTIVE

Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Tony Parker

I have doubts about Vincce Carter. Parker will get in, how fast depends on what more work he does.

RETIRED PLAYERS NOT IN WHO SHOULD BE

Tim Hardaway, Jack Sikma, Bob Dandridge, Jack Coleman, Mitch Richmond, Willie Naulls, Chet Walker, Chris Webber, Mel Hutchins, Jo Jo White, Gary Payton

Naulls won't get in. I'm in favor of Sikma and Dandridge. Coleman no, Ritchmond I doubt it. Hutchins no, White yea, Payton yes, Walker yes.

DespЏrado
08-17-2010, 04:13 PM
Manu and Tim are both locks....It has always been interesting to wonder whether Tony gets in. My guess is that he should based on the Finals MVP award alone. My argument is that anyone who get's a finals MVP deserves a birth in the hall of fame.

Also Bruce deserves a shot at it. Not that he will ever sniff a vote.

hitmanyr2k
08-17-2010, 04:17 PM
I see people put Bernard King on this pedestal and I still don't get it. The guy was the 80's version of T-Mac. He was a good scorer (when healthy), average rebounder, below average playmaker, non-existent on the defensive end and his lack of a playoff resume hurts him bad. He had some high scoring regular season games and put up back to back 50 point games but hell, so did Antawn Jamison at one point lol. I don't see what makes him so HOF-worthy.

024
08-17-2010, 04:23 PM
all NBA MVP's are guaranteed in the hall of fame. if lebron's career ended today, he would still be a lock. i think ginobili has a good chance and parker will need several more all star selections and maybe a championship or two as the number one guy.

Galileo
08-17-2010, 04:28 PM
all NBA MVP's are guaranteed in the hall of fame. if lebron's career ended today, he would still be a lock. i think ginobili has a good chance and parker will need several more all star selections and maybe a championship or two as the number one guy.

Bernard King won the Sporting News MVP in one season.

phxspurfan
08-17-2010, 04:49 PM
Parker doesn't belong on the shoo-in HOF list yet.

Agloco
08-17-2010, 05:25 PM
It's hard to argue with most of the list. I agree that Manu should be a lock.

Serious question:

At this point, is LeBron really a stone cold lock?
If his career ended today, is he in?

I like the list, but I had the same question about Wade. I think they should be under the "Work to Do" list.

cantthinkofanything
08-17-2010, 05:30 PM
I like the list, but I had the same question about Wade. I think they should be under the "Work to Do" list.

I guess I've been convinced that LeBron is a shoo in with the MVP award. So I think that means Wade is also. I can't imagine LeBron going with and MVP but Wade not going in with a comparable body of work and a champoinship. Not that I agree with it.

I wonder with the advent of internet and cable TV if we are going to see a larger proportion of players get elected in the hall of fame.

Agloco
08-17-2010, 05:35 PM
My argument is that anyone who get's a finals MVP deserves a birth in the hall of fame.

Should JoJo White, Cedric Maxwell and Dennis Johnson be in as well?

I could see a case for Pierce, but Chauncey is a hard sell though.

Galileo
08-17-2010, 05:37 PM
Should JoJo White, Cedric Maxwell and Dennis Johnson be in as well?

I could see a case for Pierce, but Chauncey is a hard sell though.

Dennis was long overdue to get in.

SenorSpur
08-17-2010, 08:10 PM
I agree with others who proclaim Manu as a HOF lock. There is absolutely no doubt about it. He's won championships at every pro level he's ever played and has been the best player all those international squads. Of course, being the 2nd banana, and the most clutch performer on 3 NBA championship teams, didn't hurt either. During the 2005 Finals series versus the Pistons, Manu was THE best player in Games 1-4. That epic upset of the vaunted USA Dream Team 2 by his Argentine team, in the 2004 Olympics, should really seal his selection.

Parker is most definitely HOF-worthy. He probably needs more international success. However, if he doesn't do anything else, being the PG on 3 of the Spurs NBA championship teams, should be enough.

Shout out to my man Artis Gilmore, who has been passed over for years. Still, the NBA's all-time leader in FG percentage. A dominant force in his college days at Jacksonville, his ABA days at Kentucky and throughout his NBA career. It's a travesty that he's not in.

manu the best
08-17-2010, 10:50 PM
.. MANU, timmy, bowen and pop should enter the HOF together ..

SouthTexasRancher
08-18-2010, 12:40 AM
Manu is a definite lock...!!! :king

howbouthemspurs
08-18-2010, 09:33 AM
Of course Ginobili will get in! Especially when then Spurs win another title next year! Timmy is already in no matter what. I think Tony has to have at least 4 more awesome seasons to get in!