Questions about the Bible...

[Bastian]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[TE]

This is gonna be one huge religious argument/debate.


Fact remains clear though, why would whoever wrote Exodus (can't come to mind in the moment) write to mislead or...wait... I think I've lost myself.


Anyhow, goodluck dude.

[Bastian]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Das Texan]

The concept of the "Loving Father" I believe is a Christian ideal.


The Old Testament are all chocked full of Jewish ideals.

[silverblk mystix]

The Bible is a great book.

A book.

Paper and words written by human beings.

Human beings have feelings,opinions,agendas,beliefs,prejudices,etc

To say that the bible is NOT a great book with some great material would be foolish.

To say that the bible is more than a book or to say that the bible is the actual word of god,etc

Is to begin to lose touch with reality and to keep getting farther from reality when you begin to add illusions and false beliefs on top of each other....

To begin to say that those who don't believe everything that you pile on top of each other and to say that those who don't swallow all these fallacies will actually be punished or burn in a place called hell,etc

is to begin to enter the realm of the insane

take it for what it is worth---none of what I have said is untrue

but still...some will argue and try to sway you towards their insanity

we live in an insane asylum

[Das Texan]

Oh and there are plenty of instances when God is the Merciful Father in the Old Testament. He would just have wrath issues when His people simply ignored him completely.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[TDMVPDPOY]

if god is merciful, then why didnt he teleport the jews out of egypt?

[Das Texan]

Exactly the point. Perhaps the divine inspiration for the Old Testament was not from Our Father, but from the deceiver.


Perhaps but then how to explain God's forgiveness and sparing his wrath if he finds only a small handful of good people? Like when Abraham went asking God if he would spare I forget the town if he just found 50,40,30, et al there that were good.





So the 'god' of the Old Testament was inconsistent. Does not sound like a perfect God to me. More proof that the supposed God of the Old Testament was Lucifer in many cases.

Just that God was still trying to figure out this God thing...:lol

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

Keep doing your mental gymnastics, OP.

[marini martini]

Why doesn't God just wish for this Earth to be perfect?

Because we are all being tested.

Which path do we choose?

It's some sort of sick game by Lucifer, who is the one that challenged God's authority and was thus cast down to Earth.

Lucifer is betting that we will all turn away from God and worship him instead...worship the Earth and all our material desires.

It seems as if Lucifer is winning the bet currently, but will lose it ultimately.


Bingo!:tu

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Richard Cranium]

These are spiritual gymnastics, not mental ones.

God's existence simply cannot be proved.
So why debate a worthless argument...especially for 31 pages. Get a life already.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

Well, nobody is arguing over the existence of love. And altruism has been proven to exist, so that's close enough.

[silverblk mystix]

the only god and the only lucifer are in your mind, in your imagination


god---or whatever one chooses to call this supposed allmighty force


has NOTHING to do with YOUR idea of what a god is


of what god does or does not do

of whom god punished or did not punish


all of these things came from the mind of human beings


human beings who maybe mean well but have NO IDEA what they are talking about


and are presumptuos enough to think that they have figured out who or what god is


NO HUMAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET HAVE EVER SEEN OR TALKED PERSONALLY TO ---WHAT THEY CALL GOD

THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ABOUT GOD IS ONLY A THEORY AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO DEBATE A THEORY


THEN YOU ARE AS BLIND AS A BLIND MAN

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Lettuce pray. How long will this thread go? Miamiheat?

[marini martini]

Testing 1, 2! TESTING!!!!

Check, check, can you hear me now? Check!!!!

[Death In June]

Go prove LOVE exists in a science lab and get back to me.

I assure you it does...and we all know this in our hearts.That is a false comparison. You can explain emotions through associations made and stored in the hippocampus. Love, specifically being modulated by serotonin.
But on a more biblical level, I prefer that idea that lucifer described in the OT is actually the "good" deity. He simply wanted to do better than yahwe, and for that he was punished eternally by a spiteful, jealous child. He was interested in knowledge instead of unquestioned devotion.

[marini martini]

:deadhorse

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

If God was all-loving, couldn't he have just forgiven Lucifer regardless? That's kind of what omni-benevolence implies.

[JoeChalupa]

Live and let live. I believe and I'm stickin' to it. :tu

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Death In June]

Not a false comparison, for God and True Love are ONE.

I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is.

These words hippocampus, and how that is related to the seratonin in our brain. Those might be things that can be recorded, but that is a long way from proving Love exists...yet it does.





Lucifer was cast down for thinking he was better than God and wiser than God. All Lucifer had to do was admit that he was wrong and all would be forgiven. I truly believe that God loves Lucifer and that nothing would make God happier than to have the return of the prodigal son, Lucifer, come back to Him and embrace his Father. However, I believe that Lucifer's pride will not allow this. God is not the jealous one. The evil one is the jealous one. That is why he chose to challenge in the first place.I wont argue the love thing, because the understanding of emotion, how it is produced, and it's reason for existing has scientific merit. The god debate doesn't, at least not yet. But, back to lucifer. I think it's just a matter of perspective. A suggestion, a contradictory viewpoint, may be viewed as a challenge but why would that matter to a secure god? I'm just playing devils advocate here (literally), because my understanding is that the bible was intended as a tool to civilize the jewish people, something orthodox jews will tell you with certainty. It's their book, afterall. The christians merely co-opted and augmented it.

[redzero]

Lucifer is already forgiven if he would just return to his Father.

According to Revelation, that won't happen, because Lucifer is just too stubborn I suppose. I don't know why really.

So Lucifer was cast down before he was forgiven?

[Ignignokt]

Lucifer is already forgiven if he would just return to his Father, Our Father.

According to Revelation, that won't happen, because Lucifer is just too stubborn I suppose. I don't know why really.

You should write the bible yourself.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Pick of Destiny]

Lucifer is already forgiven if he would just return to his Father, Our Father.

According to Revelation, that won't happen, because Lucifer is just too stubborn I suppose. I don't know why really.

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:flipoff

[redzero]

It's like this, the forgiveness is there for Lucifer should he choose it. He does not choose that path. He chooses his own path. Therefore, he has been cast down...and will be cast down for all eternity, because he chooses to turn his back on God. We could all learn from Lucifer of how NOT to do things. Jesus is our True Teacher and he is who we should truly learn from.

Why can't God choose to forgive Lucifer regardless? That would truly make him all loving.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Why can't God choose to forgive Lucifer regardless? That would truly make him all loving.

Thou shall not question or put God to the test. Embrace his love and.......oh, nevermind.

I've learned long ago that debates like this lead to nowhere. Carry on!

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Those with open hearts will see the truth when they read it.

This thread will only lead to nowhere for those that have already closed their hearts to the possibility of Our Father in Heaven, and his limitless love.

Even the most open of hearts will not see or follow.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Who told you that? I suppose that depends on our definition of open.

Well I've known people who are loving, caring and excellent people who are not follower's of Christ. At least that is what they tell me. And I don't think you or anyone can prove what is or what is not an open heart.

[mouse]

According to BigZax only 29 pages to go then he bails from this topic.

[mouse]

Why can't God choose to forgive Lucifer regardless? That would truly make him all loving.


I could forgive Lucifer before i could forgive Slomo and Kori for deleting topics.

[Ignignokt]

It is already written. I am simply using Love as my guide for reading.

That's an eloquent way of masking the fact that you are ignorant.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

You've known people who seemed by outward appearances to be loving, caring, and excellent people.

And I am not here to prove who has an loving heart and who doesn't, we were only speaking of what truly constitutes having one.

And what would you say proves that?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Well Joe, I think we each have our own destiny.

I could say what I feel proves that for me, but I don't feel I have the authority to say what proves that for another.

Exactly, therefore I do not judge others as to whether or not they have an open heart. Even non-believers can be compassionate, loving, caring human beings. Yes, even mouse...but beware of those "deals".

[mouse]

But mouse, I am not arguing, I am discussing. It would be a blessing if this thread went for that long.

How can one argue if they can't discuss a particular subject?

[LnGrrrR]

Hey Zak,

Why does God have such a superiority complex? Why does he need everyone to admit they need him, are weaker than him, etc etc?

I mean, my wife needs my income to eat... I don't force her to acknowledge that fact every day. :lol

[JoeChalupa]

How can one argue if they can't discuss a particular subject?

Learn to debate without arguing. :tu

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

Non-believers in Christ will never be truly loving people.

You know that's offensive to non-believers, right? Just making sure you know.

Also, there's no logical way to prove that statement, anymore than if I inserted a different god into that statement (non-believers in Jahweh, Vishnu, Odin, Allah, Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc etc)


True Christians do not judge. They lead by example. They lead by following.

How can one lead by following? One is either leading, or one is following.

[Blake]

if god is merciful, then why didnt he teleport the jews out of egypt?

because having them walk out and walk through a parted sea being chased down by chariots is much easier

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Blake]

this thread has no chance of stopping before 6 pages....

no chance.

[JoeChalupa]

Non-believers in Christ will never be truly loving people.

I am a true believer in Christ and even I may never reach that pinnacle.

Only God and Christ were perfect.

True Christians do not judge. They lead by example. They lead by following.

They lead by walking the walk. Talk is cheap.

That is where we differ for I do not believe that non-believers cannot be truly loving people because as a Christian...who am I to judge? We all walk the walk cheaply.

[mouse]

Learn to debate without arguing. :tu

de·bate (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.

[LnGrrrR]

He does not want people to admit they are weaker than Him, He has only shown us that our true strength lies within our alliance with Him.

And with all due respect, your wife does not need your income to eat. I'm sure she would find a way. It is a good thing that you don't force her to acknowledge anything though...:lol I find my household is more peaceful when I acknowledge wifey as the boss, as I feel she is wiser than I.

BigZak,

You just stated that he wanted Lucifer to admit he was weaker, did you not?

As far as being True Love... well as the OP pointed out, God wasn't very loving in the OT, unless you consider it really, really tough love.

[mouse]

this thread has no chance of stopping before 6 pages....

no chance.

Maybe Kori and Slomo can lock it, or better yet delete it?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

de·bate (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.

I can debate without having a meltdown.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/clintsquint/thegreatdebaters-poster.jpg

[JoeChalupa]

If one is not a true believer, than they will not carry their cross to their own crucifixion. This is the only way to salvation.

I am not saying that non-believers are incapable of showing love.

Lucifer is capable of showing love.

But he is also very capable of showing hatred, wrath, selfishness.

True Christians consciously rebuke these traits 100% of the time.

Non-believers do not hold themselves to such high standards.

We are ALL sinners and very capable of showing hatred and misunderstanding. Just look at the debate over a mosque.

Ooops, political forum.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[mouse]

I can debate without having a meltdown.


But can you post in a topic w/o tooting your horn?

[redzero]

So Mouse, if man did not evolve, how did homo sapiens come into existence?

[BadOdor]

Tbh only religion is capable of making otherwise normal people commit terrible crimes.

There was this statistic going around(take it with a grain of salt) that christians make over 95% of the U.S jail population, despite being about what,80% of the U.S population?

lol "good" christians.

[BadOdor]

We need angel luv in this shit.

[LnGrrrR]

So Mouse, if man did not evolve, how did homo sapiens come into existence?

They're the offspring of two fossilized boots, of course.

[JoeChalupa]

But can you post in a topic w/o tooting your horn?

Yes, can you do it without blowing yours? I am a humble, simple, boring and mundane man.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Tbh only religion is capable of making otherwise normal people commit terrible crimes.

There was this statistic going around(take it with a grain of salt) that christians make over 95% of the U.S jail population, despite being about what,80% of the U.S population?

lol "good" christians.

There are many reasons why people commit terrible crimes.

[mouse]

So Mouse, if man did not evolve, how did homo sapiens come into existence?

They were placed here.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[BadOdor]

There are many reasons why people commit terrible crimes.

Well, I keep reading how only christians are capable of being truly "loving" people, so it just makes me wonder why the commit crimes as much as the rest of the population.

[mouse]

There are many reasons why people commit terrible crimes.

Word!
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-wisconsin-priest-molest,0,7401484.story

http://www.gazettenet.com/files/images/20100326-002658-pic-65855920.display.jpg

[BadOdor]

Word!
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-wisconsin-priest-molest,0,7401484.story
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-wisconsin-priest-molest,0,7401484.story

This hits close to joe's heart, mouse. Wasn't he the guy bragging about the hundreds of chicks he banged around the world, and then hypocritically agreeing with the vatican with the no condoms policy?:lol:lol:lol

that's about your average catholic in a shell.

[JoeChalupa]

Well, I keep reading how only christians are capable of being truly "loving" people, so it just makes me wonder why the commit crimes as much as the rest of the population.

Because we are all sinners. I for one know that Christians are FAR from being perfect.

[redzero]

They were placed here.

By?

[BadOdor]

Man, I wish I could be a truly "loving" person like bigzak.....

cheat on my wife, treat her like crap to the point when she's crying to strangers over the phone, get my ass fired in a difficult economic time....

If only I could be all that....sucks that I'm a stinking atheist with no morals:(

[mouse]

I used to feel bad for Joe but unless he pulls his head out of the sand I will not hesitate to educate him even if it offends him. Like a true friend would.

[BadOdor]

Because we are all sinners. I for one know that Christians are FAR from being perfect.

Tbh Joe, it sounds to me like bigzak is making a judgment here. Does the bible not say something along the lines of "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

Bah, what do I know. It's not like bigzak even read the bible though. He makes this shit as he goes along.

[mouse]

By?


Humans.

[JoeChalupa]

This hits close to joe's heart, mouse. Wasn't he the guy bragging about the hundreds of chicks he banged around the world, and then hypocritically agreeing with the vatican with the no condoms policy?:lol:lol:lol

that's about your average catholic in a shell.

Yes, for I am a sinner and I don't agree with the no condoms policy of the vatican. I do push abstinence to my daughters but yes, I would want them to use a condom if the need arises. It isn't like any of you follow an exact and perfect line in your ways of living.
And it wasn't hundreds of women, more like double digits.

[redzero]

Humans.

Humans were placed on earth by humans? That's circular logic right there.

[JoeChalupa]

Tbh Joe, it sounds to me like bigzak is making a judgment here. Does the bible not say something along the lines of "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

Bah, what do I know. It's not like bigzak even read the bible though. He makes this shit as he goes along.

Yes, it does but I don't make judgements as to who will receive salvation upon leaving this earth for that is up to God. I for one know that I will have some major explaining to do when the time comes.

[BadOdor]

Yes, for I am a sinner and I don't agree with the no condoms policy of the vatican. I do push abstinence to my daughters but yes, I would want them to use a condom if the need arises. It isn't like any of you follow an exact and perfect line in your ways of living.
And it wasn't hundreds of women, more like double digits.

Joe, I got no problem with you being a hypocrite - there's a little bit in every one of us.

Just don't let me ever see you lecture anyone about values or morality - you have less right than pretty much everyone, being a catholic and all.

[JoeChalupa]

I used to feel bad for Joe but unless he pulls his head out of the sand I will not hesitate to educate him even if it offends him. Like a true friend would.

Educate me? :lmao

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[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[mouse]

It's not like bigzak even read the bible though. He makes this shit as he goes along.

He's not alone.


http://www.lymanbriggs.msu.edu/current/darwin.jpg
http://rustbeltradical.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/darwin-worm.jpg

[JoeChalupa]

Joe, I got no problem with you being a hypocrite - there's a little bit in every one of us.

Just don't let me ever see you lecture anyone about values or morality - you have less right than pretty much everyone, being a catholic and all.

I am not lecturing anyone on morality for I truly admit that I have sinned and continue to sin to this day. I try to live my life as best as I can and yes, I do fail at times and yes, I am a Catholic but far from being a perfect one and I've never said that one has to be Catholic and I've never pushed anyone to join the Catholic faith.
And being a sinning Catholic means that I cannot express an opinion of what is right and wrong? I mean there is a news story out today about a woman suffocating and drowning her own sons today. Am I not allowed to say I think that was wrong because I am a sinner? If that is the case than you nor anyone else in this forum can have an opinion about it.

[redzero]

He's not alone.


http://www.lymanbriggs.msu.edu/current/darwin.jpg
http://rustbeltradical.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/darwin-worm.jpg

Even this ludicrous mockery of the theory of evolution makes more sense than "Humans exist because humans put them here on Earth."

[mouse]

Humans were placed on earth by humans? That's circular logic right there.

Nice to see you come around.

mXKrgiXmNsw

[JoeChalupa]

Don't leave a bad odor in here. Keep posting.

[mouse]

Even this ludicrous mockery of the theory of evolution makes more sense than "Humans exist because humans put them here on Earth."


Just because this type of discussion is a tad bit more than your young undeveloped mind can absorb doesn't mean it's not true

[BlackSwordsMan]

god is real any other questions and you're a heretic
/thread

[redzero]

Nice to see you come around.

mXKrgiXmNsw

Logical conclusion: Aliens put humans on earth (or whatever you're trying to say).
Illogical conclusion: Humans and other species evolved over millions of years.

It's also funny that you find humans being able to travel to the moon to be absurd, yet you think aliens traveled here.

[BadOdor]

That's easy, they are not True Christians.


Did you hear that, Christians??!! you're not "true" christians!

Only the great bigzak can decide who is a true christian and who isn't!

Yeah, he might not have read the bible, and he might even be going against it, but who needs to know what the stinkin bible says when you have BELIF!!!!

[BadOdor]

Now we just need angel luv to come in and declare zak a false christian.....

[mingus]

the God in the OT was written by different people and in a different time (and place) than the NT. the writers were inconsistent.

[JoeChalupa]

It's also funny that you find humans being able to travel to the moon to be absurd, yet you think aliens traveled here.

:lol :lol

[mouse]

funny that you find humans being able to travel to the moon to be absurd, yet you think aliens traveled here.


I don't think going to the moon is absurd I just point out the lies inconsistencies NASA spews to the public. Maybe you should read the Apollo topic from page one before you make your unsupported accusations.

When did I mention Aliens?

And the video is one of many that talks bout life can be lived on other planets and there is even a topic already here in the club about placing humans on another planet, so if that can be done why can't it not have happened to us many years ago, is that to hard for you to comprehend?

[mouse]

Now we just need angel luv to come in and declare zak a false christian.....


When is she due back from Calcutta ?

[BadOdor]

When is she due back from Calcutta ?

I thought she was raptured?

[redzero]

And the video is one of many that talks bout life can be lived on other planets and there is even a topic already here in the club about placing humans on another planet, so if that can be done why can't it not have happened to us many years ago, is that to hard for you to comprehend?

That's pure speculation.

Where did those humans come from? And the humans before them?

Illogical conclusion: Human beings and other species evolved over millions of years on planet earth.

Logical conclusion: Human being are descendants of alien-humans who apparently were capable of conquering space travel but forgot to bring any of their highly advanced technology or proof that they ever existed.

I am astounded by your logical thinking.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[mouse]

You ask a question



That's pure speculation.

Where did those humans come from? And the humans before them?

Then you answer it.


Human beings and other species evolved over millions of years on planet earth.

then you prove to everyone your already educated about this subject.


Logical conclusion: Human being are descendants of alien-humans who apparently were capable of conquering space travel but forgot to bring any of their highly advanced technology or proof that they ever existed.

Then you compliment me.


I am astounded by your logical thinking.

[BadOdor]

So losing a 60k job because a company has a lack of faith does not affect me one bit.


This is truly the mind of a crazy person.

You go nuts on a company paid trip, lose the company laptop, throw away all your money/documents, get sent to a psych ward, and yet it is somehow their fault when they fire your ass?

amazing.

[clambake]

the man that did those things is dead.

I stripped naked on the street in dublin and had a couple officers stop by.

I talked to them, they left, and an ambulance came shortly thereafter.

I spent a week in a mental ward where i met some wonderful people and had one of the most fulfilling times of my life. I then flew home in first class and ate like a king.

This job that i had, that i should have not been fired from, was a good job and i felt i was in a position to help people and was about to do some amazing things for the company. They did not trust anyone who did not hold money in high regard. They let me go and gave me a parting gift.

I am very thankful to god for the opportunity and blessings that he has bestowed upon me as a reward for my faith in him.

I have been able to be at home and help my wife get ready for the arrival of our second child. I have gotten our finances in order and through what i've already done with our credit cards and what i plan to do with our house, will have saved approximately $150,000 dollars in interest.

So losing a 60k job because a company has a lack of faith does not affect me one bit.

but you are right, you do have a bad odor.

zak is comin around.

[JoeChalupa]

I am humbled by this thread. And can't toot my own horn like others.

[mouse]

That's pure speculation.
.

Unlike what you believe in?

http://brotherpeacemaker.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ontheoriginofspecies.jpg

[BadOdor]

Hey, you might have cheated on your wife, treated her like crap, overindulged in alcohol and food, stole from your friend......

But hey, as long as you declare to be a "sinner", say a couple of hail marry's, it's all good in jesus land, right?

I wish it was so easy for me, man. When I screw up shit, I can;t just ask mah bro jesus for complete forgiveness.

But hey, you're the "real" christian jack. You tell them pretend christians!

[mouse]

The man that did those things is dead.

I stripped naked on the street in Dublin .

Youtube link or it didn't happen.

[redzero]

Mouse, which one of those explanations sounds more logical?

Also, how is the theory of evolution pure speculation? Charles Darwin had a reason for believing what he did. You don't have shit. You have no evidence at all, and your claims are idiotic and contradictory.

[JoeChalupa]

Hey, you might have cheated on your wife, treated her like crap, overindulged in alcohol and food, stole from your friend......

But hey, as long as you declare to be a "sinner", say a couple of hail marry's, it's all good in jesus land, right?

I wish it was so easy for me, man. When I screw up shit, I can;t just ask mah bro jesus for complete forgiveness.

But hey, you're the "real" christian jack. You tell them pretend christians!

:lol I hear that all the time. :tu I may be forgiven by the man upstairs but it doesn't mean there still isn't hell to pay down here.

[JoeChalupa]

Youtube link or it didn't happen.

Somethings are better left without proof.

[Last Comic Standing]

I stripped naked on the street in Dublin.

This is not the image I need in my head right now.

[mouse]

Somethings are better left without proof.

Amen brah!

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[BadOdor]

I kinda have to determine what I feel is a True Christian...I think it's a man or woman that follows the two most important commandments and demands a higher level of excellence from themselves each and every day.

So basically, it's your own made up definition?

Well, at least you're honest in that you don't actually read the bible of take anything away from it. You make this shit up as you go.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[mouse]

Mouse, which one of those explanations sounds more logical?

How can I answer that w/o you saying this?


You don't have shit. You have no evidence at all, and your claims are idiotic and contradictory



Also, how is the theory of evolution pure speculation?

I take it you have no idea what a "theory" is?



Charles Darwin had a reason for believing what he did.

And I don't?



You don't have shit. You have no evidence at all, and your claims are idiotic and contradictory.

First off I am not here to educate your ignorant ass, second if your that curious learn to use Google and third I already posted my opinions and my proof in many other topics why should I have to quote myself again to some bored no pussy getting mountain dew induced teen?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[BadOdor]

I never said I was prefect...then or now. However being a true Christian is more than just a proclamation my friend. Like I keep saying, talk is cheap.

And I do not judge people, but it is easy for the casual observer to see who is following Jesus and who is not. That doesn't make me special or anything.

I dunno, calling people false christians sounds like judging to me....

Saying that only christians are capable of "truly" being loving people sounds like judging to me.....

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

And there is nothing made up about following the two most important Commandments as told by Jesus.

There is nothing made up about demanding a higher level of excellence from myself day in and day out so that I can continue to get closer to Jesus each day of my life until the day that I die.

Why don't you demand a higher excellence from yourself to just, you know, improve yourself? Why must it be for Jesus?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

And I do not judge people, but it is easy for the casual observer to see who is following Jesus and who is not. That doesn't make me special or anything.

How is it easy? Maybe they're just deceiving you.

[LnGrrrR]

Because Jesus was and is the perfect role model.

Can you name a greater man in the History of the World?

Gandhi was pretty impressive.

[Ignignokt]

BigZax woke up smothered in gorilla feces and sore buttocks at the Barnum and Bailey, but he thanks the Lord he didn't murder his loved ones.

[redzero]

Because Jesus was and is the perfect role model.

Can you name a greater man in the History of the World?

Norman Borlaug

[Ignignokt]

Gandhi was pretty impressive.

Ghandi was an asshole and his philosophy was lethal.

[LnGrrrR]

It sounds like judging to you because you feel you are guilty.

Now why would you feel guilty if you were a non-believer?

Things to ponder...

No, it sounds like judging because it is. Nice try, though. If I said, "only atheists are capable of rational thought", I'd be making a judgment statement. If you then called me out on it, and I said, "It sounds like judging to you because you feel guilty", that'd be bs too.

[Ignignokt]

I was once slit my arm with a shard of glass and impaled a baby goat, but then the next day I went to church and God loves me

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

Ghandi was an asshole and his philosophy was lethal.

:lol What makes you say that? Anything in particular? I'm just impressed by his ability to make effectual change using non-violent methods. It's much harder to actually pull off, but the non-violent change is much more long-lasting, it seems. (Martin Luther King Jr is another example.)

[redzero]

Ghandi was an asshole and his philosophy was lethal.

And he was racist.

[LnGrrrR]

Have you ever compared a copy to an original?

If you have an original, a Master, if you will, that is perfect, then it is easy to see when the copies are off. And the copy will never be as perfect as the original, but it can come pretty close.

So you've actually seen Jesus then?

[mouse]

Mouse, which one of those explanations sounds more logical?



http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136687&highlight=darwin

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150257&highlight=darwin

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158905&highlight=darwin

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146459&highlight=darwin

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136687&highlight=darwin

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150257&highlight=darwin

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158905&highlight=darwin

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146459&highlight=darwin

I'm sorry, was there a point to this? You like brushing off questions that you can't answer.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

I am pretty ignorant of Ghandi. I have no doubt that you are correct, but the question was to name a greater man.

I know of no other man that has allowed himself to be crucified and prayed for his murderers in the process.

Do great men condone slavery?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

[redzero]

Educate me redzero. I've never heard of him, but would like to hear about him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Last Comic Standing]

Originally Posted by bigzak25
I was once slit my arm with a shard of glass and impaled a baby goat,

Lets try and keep your sexual habits out of this topic thank you.

[MannyIsGod]

To judge is to condemn.

I do no such thing. I only speak the truth as I see it.

And there is no try, only do, or do not. :tu

Um, sure you can play word games all you want but you are definitely judging in this thread.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

Do great men condone slavery?

Now? Nope.

Back then? Sure.

Morals change over time... I don't expect people to hold today's morals to past generations. After all, if two generations from now eating meat becomes immoral, will we all be considered barbarians?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

Now? Nope.

Back then? Sure.

Morals change over time... I don't expect people to hold today's morals to past generations. After all, if two generations from now eating meat becomes immoral, will we all be considered barbarians?

That would be valid if God's morals were not supposed to be unchanging.

Allegedly, the Bible is the word of God. God is all right with slavery, according to the Bible. Therefore, slavery is okay.

[SpursGirl21]

Um, sure you can play word games all you want but you are definitely judging in this thread.


An MIG sighting?

this topic is full of win! :)

[LnGrrrR]

To judge is to condemn.

I do no such thing. I only speak the truth as I see it.

And there is no try, only do, or do not. :tu

Uhm... so when people hold, say, chili cookoffs, are they judging those foods? Or condemning them? :lol

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

That would be valid if God's morals were not supposed to be unchanging.

Allegedly, the Bible is the word of God. God is all right with slavery, according to the Bible. Therefore, slavery is okay.

If you're referring to God, then yeah, that's a different story. I was merely referring to the fact that I still think our Founding Fathers were great men even if they accepted slavery, and I think Gandhi was an impressive figure even though he was probably racist.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

Lucifer wants us to be his slaves. God wants us to be His servants.

What's the difference? After all, God lays down laws that we must obey, correct? Lucifer seems to have less rules.

[JoeChalupa]

Now? Nope.

Back then? Sure.

Morals change over time... I don't expect people to hold today's morals to past generations. After all, if two generations from now eating meat becomes immoral, will we all be considered barbarians?

+1 More and more people are giving up red meat every day and become healthy eaters. I will probably be a barbarian for life though although I do eat much more turkey these days.

[MannyIsGod]

Well Manny, if you don't mind, I'll kindly take your opinion with a grain of salt since you are the expert judge around here. :toast

Sure, but unlike others I don't exactly claim to be above it.

[mouse]

I'm sorry, was there a point to this? You like brushing off questions that you can't answer.

I know reading is not something you enjoy doing but I felt if I could show you some topics about the millions of questions you keep asking it help may bring you up to speed on this subject and lessen the chances of you looking ignorant..................or am i to late?

[LnGrrrR]

They condemn all but one.

Oh give me a break. There is a big difference between condemning and judging. Condemning something automatically implies a negative connotation. To judge something implies no negative connotation.

Let's not twist words here.

[Ghandi]

If you're referring to God, then yeah, that's a different story. I was merely referring to the fact that I still think our Founding Fathers were great men even if they accepted slavery, and I think Gandhi was an impressive figure even though he was probably racist.

:flipoff and go make me a sammich.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Oh give me a break. There is a big difference between condemning and judging. Condemning something automatically implies a negative connotation. To judge something implies no negative connotation.

Let's not twist words here.

I think the margarita pour off is coming up soon and I'll be condemning quite a few if I make it there.

[MannyIsGod]

a slaves work is driven by fear. A servants work is driven by love.

lol



as for your less rules argument, i say false, for i believe it was lucifer that inspired the 613 laws of the torah so that he could find as many guilty as possible. Jesus christ changed all that when he died for all of our sins. We are all free now...we have nothing to be afraid of...we just have to follow the path that jesus has laid out for us.

God and jesus have two rules for us to follow.

Love god with all of our hearts, all of our minds, and all of our soul.

Love our neighbor as ourselves.

Love is very simple.

lol

[JoeChalupa]

Bigzak is on a troll roll!! :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

I think the margarita pour off is coming up soon and I'll be condemning quite a few if I make it there.

Nicely played.

[redzero]

I know reading is not something you enjoy doing but I felt if I could show you some topics about the millions of questions you keep asking it help may bring you up to speed on this subject and lessen the chances of you looking ignorant..................or am i to late?

Again, you like to brush off questions. Answer my question from before and we'll talk.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

Well unfortunately, that is currently your loss Manny.

I will pray for you because I love you.

:rollin

[JoeChalupa]

zmlKjO4juCo

[MannyIsGod]

Well unfortunately, that is currently your loss Manny.

I will pray for you because I love you.

LOL

You didn't even get what I was saying. So good.

Well, I'll go ahead and take your prayers with a grain of salt. Its not like you are Angel Luv. Hers get answered. Yours, not so much.

[redzero]

Lucifer wants us to be his slaves. God wants us to be His servants.

Let's see what the good book has to say about slavery.


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

The OT is used quite a bit for homophobia as well.

[LnGrrrR]

A
God and Jesus have two rules for us to follow.

Love God with all of our hearts, all of our minds, and all of our soul.

Love our neighbor as ourselves.

Love is very simple.

So are you discarding all the specific rules that God puts out in the OT, such as not eating shellfish?

[Ignignokt]

LOL

You didn't even get what I was saying. So good.

Well, I'll go ahead and take your prayers with a grain of salt. Its not like you are Angel Luv. Hers get answered. Yours, not so much.

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Ignignokt]

BigZax is like the sole applicant UTSA has ever rejected.

[redzero]

bigzak, what about the Bible being fine with slavery? I guess God is okay with us being slaves, too.

[JoeChalupa]

So are you discarding all the specific rules that God puts out in the OT, such as not eating shellfish?

I am guilty of being shellfish and I am not proud of it.

[LnGrrrR]

I am not the one twisting the words. I am the one untangling them.

You're not untangling them. Look up the words in the dictionary. Condemn has a negative connotation associated with it. Judge does not. I don't know how much more black and white I can explain this.



Jesus had to goto hell for 3 days before he rose again. I am not sure that we will all follow that path whether we like it or not. When we are standing before Lucifer and he is our judge, only then will people realize the truth, but it will be too late.

If a soul is eternal, couldn't one theoretically repent after seeing the error of their ways? I don't understand why God grants eternal punishment/salvation off what ones does in a temporary lifetime.


But I'm not taking that chance...I'd rather live a happy life, of heaven on earth, while I can, and then face whomever my judge is with no fear.

Funny enough, that's what I am doing as well. I live a happy life, and have no fear of what lays on the other side, since I don't think there is anything there.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

I want Angel Luv and BigZak to have a "true believer faceoff". :)

[redzero]

Is keeping a slave a sin?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

whatever that means

that's the reason you're application was denied.

[clambake]

Is keeping a slave a sin?

he's avoiding your question.

[redzero]

he's avoiding your question.

It certainly feels like it.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

God and Jesus have two rules for us to follow.

Love God with all of our hearts, all of our minds, and all of our soul.

Love our neighbor as ourselves.




I do not disregard them. I only say that they are of less importance than the two Jesus spoke of.

So, in other words, Jesus/God have more than two rules.

Will breaking those other rules other than the big two cause us problems? Or as long as we follow the main two, we can break those other ones sometimes?

[Ignignokt]

Joe Chalupa could have redeemed himself here but instead he decided to be the Keith Bogans of Spurstalk and let the Jacque Vaughn of spurstalk to go off for 25 points in 6 minutes.

[clambake]

It certainly feels like it.

as you can see, god didn't care much for women.

[redzero]

I will say that God is NOT okay with us being slaves...but you must remember, God is much more concerned with our spiritual beings than our physical ones.

That's not what the Bible says.

You sound like a heretic.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

Lucifer freed the Jews from slavery, imo. I will not pretend to have all the answers redzero. All I know is that God has given us free will. I will say that God is NOT okay with us being slaves...but you must remember, God is much more concerned with our spiritual beings than our physical ones.

If God isn't ok with slavery, it would probably make sense for him to say so in the Bible, rather than specifically codifying how slavery was acceptable.

And it seems strange that God would determine the future of our eternal souls based on what we do while in our physical shell, if our physical shells are so trivial.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

That's not what the Bible says.

You sound like a heretic.

Respond to this please, bigzak.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Jekka]

Jesus had to go to hell for 3 days before he rose again. I am not sure that we won't all be following that same path whether we like it or not. When we are standing before Lucifer and he is our judge, only then will people realize the truth, but it will be too late.
Scripture, please?

I do not disregard them. I only say that they are of less importance than the two Jesus spoke of.

I don't eat shellfish because I don't like it.

I no longer eat pork.

The only beef I am eating these days are the kosher hebrew national hotdogs my wife brought from Costco.

I don't even know all the 613 rules. I'll read them one day soon.

But as I said, all our sins are forgiven as long as we follow the path of Jesus Christ.
A god that denies you bacon and not-disgusting beef is not a god that loves you, btw.

[JoeChalupa]

Joe Chalupa could have redeemed himself here but instead he decided to be the Keith Bogans of Spurstalk and let the Jacque Vaughn of spurstalk to go off for 25 points in 6 minutes.

:lmao I was firing off a missile.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

Post the scripture. I feel I can evaluate it for what it's worth and explain.

Same as before. Nothing has changed.


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

[JoeChalupa]

I'm still eating pork and beef, just in smaller portions. No lamb though. I'm also more active in the K of C.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[CuckingFunt]

7-NOZU2iPA8

[CuckingFunt]

I'm still eating pork in beef

A tad overindulgent, don't you think?

[LnGrrrR]

You are not paying attention LnGrrrR. We can determine the future of our eternal souls. We are already forgiven. We just have to walk the path.

But only if do it while we are on Earth, correct? Can we redeem ourselves after our soul goes to Hell?

[redzero]

I know I will sound like a heretic.

Jesus sounded like one too or did we all forget that already?

So, is The Bible the Word of God or not? You clearly don't like some of what's in it.

[JoeChalupa]

7-NOZU2iPA8

The inevitable CF post. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

7-NOZU2iPA8

Love that video.

[JoeChalupa]

A tad overindulgent, don't you think?

man does not live on bread alone.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[CuckingFunt]

If turkey stuffed with chicken stuffed with duck is called a turducken, what do they call pork in beef?

[JoeChalupa]

Ra7_60iwpk8

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

I might agree with your second point though, as I said, I feel it was Lucifer responsible for the 613 of the Torah and those laws denying us bacon, and as we all know, Lucifer does not love us.

Then what is stopping one from saying that Lucifer is responsible for the entire Bible? There's no point in speaking in such a definite manner when all you are doing is picking and choosing what to believe.

Some Christian you are. If you don't accept slavery, you are in direct contradiction to God.

[JoeChalupa]

WPPlGFh6OpQ

[clambake]

there should be a "national buy a foreigner day".

which is strange since we all come from adam and eve.

[redzero]

Sounds like Lucifer to me buddy. He is not called the master of deception for nothing.

Well, there we have it.

The Bible was written by Lucifer.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

http://www.posters.ws/images/855739/jesus_rocks.jpg

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Phenomanul]

But only if do it while we are on Earth, correct? Can we redeem ourselves after our soul goes to Hell?


I'll bite... I would venture to say that you, like the majority here in this thread, don't really care about any of this, consider it all baloney, and simply enter such threads to turn them into mockfests and to continue to justify your own unbelief (amongst everyone's reasons)...

NOW, as for your question... The answer unfortunately is "no"... Redemption after our ephimeral life here on Earth is not possible in the 'afterlife'... because at that point you would no longer be acting out of faith, but out regret...

[redzero]

OT partially or wholly inspired by Lucifer, to clarify.

Based on what? What is stopping me from saying that the entire Bible is inspired by Lucifer?

[JoeChalupa]

Bigzaks has got the spirit today!!

[Ignignokt]

Scripture for what Jekka?

I thought it was clear that once Jesus was crucified he descended into Hell for 3 days before he was resurrected. I do not know the exact scripture for that.

I might agree with your second point though, as I said, I feel it was Lucifer responsible for the 613 of the Torah and those laws denying us bacon, and as we all know, Lucifer does not love us.

Nowhere is that in scripture. That's a word of faith doctrine. You're promoting heresy.

[Jekka]

Scripture for what Jekka?

I thought it was clear that once Jesus was crucified he descended into Hell for 3 days before he was resurrected. I do not know the exact scripture for that.
Nope, that was never clear to me. And Minister Mom agrees via text. You do not know the exact scripture for that because I'm pretty certain that it doesn't exist.

If turkey stuffed with chicken stuffed with duck is called a turducken, what do they call pork in beef?
Bork, specialty of the Swedish Chef. </awful>

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

We have the moderator from the Zoloft forum and the Diabetus forum forming a tag team 1-2 bore punch.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[clambake]

We have the moderator from the Zoloft forum and the Diabetus forum forming a tag team 1-2 bore punch.

you mock!

[redzero]

If the Old Testament was Inspired by God, I feel there would never have been a need for the New Testament.

Then why does the Old Testament exist? You sound ludicrous trying to justify picking and choosing what is inspired by God and what is not.

[CuckingFunt]

Bork, specialty of the Swedish Chef. </awful>

Nice.

All I came up with was cig and/or pow, neither of which even makes sense.

[JoeChalupa]

We have the moderator from the Zoloft forum and the Diabetus forum forming a tag team 1-2 bore punch.

:lmao and yet here you are.

[Ignignokt]

Well then, seems I have reading to do. Thanks for the heads up. :toast

You need to take a class in Logic.

Also your gospel seems to be Marcionite. You might want to read up on them.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast