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Parker2112
08-17-2010, 06:34 PM
The Purpose Behind Engineered Economic Collapse (http://www.infowars.com/the-purpose-behind-engineered-economic-collapse/)

Giordano Bruno
Neithercorp Press
August 17, 2010


“From now on, depressions will be scientifically created.” — Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913
Everyone loves money. Even people like myself who abhor the abuse of money and commerce, who understand the fraudulent nature of the system we live in, still work hard and save so that we might attain a sense of stability within that system. Many people see money as a focal point to their existence. But is it really money that they are after, or is it something else entirely? In truth, money represents ‘security’ in the minds of the masses. Money affords us the ability to survive, and the more of it we have, the safer we all feel. Because we subconsciously associate the extension of our very life with the variable health of the economic structure in which we live, we tend to become unwitting devotees to its continued existence, even if it is corrupt and condemned to failure. We gullibly deny the system or the currency that supports it is doomed to the contrary of all evidence because, even though it has beaten us bloody, we have never known anything else.

In light of this entrenched way of perceiving things, especially in the U.S., it is difficult enough to convince some people that the economy is in fact not providing the security they desire, but is actually destroying their future completely. To explain to them that this is deliberate, that the economy is designed to self-destruct, that is another prospect altogether.

Many people hit a proverbial wall on this issue because they simply cannot fathom that certain groups of men (globalists and central bankers) view money and economy in completely different terms than they do. The average American lives within a tiny box when it comes to the mechanics and motivations of finance. They think that their monetary desires and drives are exactly the same as a globalist’s. But, what they don’t realize is that the box they think in was BUILT by globalists. This is why the actions of big banks and the decisions of our mostly corporate establishment run government seem so insane in the face of common sense. We try to rationalize their behavior as “idiocy”, but the reality is that their goals are highly deliberate and so far outside what we have been taught to expect that some of us lack a point of reference. If you cannot see the endgame, you will not understand the steps taken to reach it until it is too late.

In the past we have covered numerous instances in which global bankers have admitted to fraud on a massive scale, fraud which is now crushing our already fragile economy. We have covered the private Federal Reserve and how it knowingly facilitated the creation of the housing bubble, as well as how it is now inflating a Treasury bubble which is soon to implode. We have covered Goldman Sachs and its efforts to promote and sell toxic derivatives all over the world while at the same time betting against those derivatives on the open market. We have covered the manipulation of gold and silver markets by companies like JP Morgan, which have recently been exposed by whistleblowers and GATA investigations. And, most importantly, we have executed in-depth analysis on the growing weakness of the U.S. dollar in preparation for severe currency devaluation. These revelations raise questions, which is natural, but they also illicit misconceptions and reckless knee-jerk reactions, especially when broaching the fact that the illegal strategies of international banks are part of a greater agenda.

Below, we will examine some of the most common narrow minded responses to the issue of engineered economic collapse, as well as why people think the way they do when the “semi-sacred” subject of money is involved…

1. The economy is too complex to be controlled by just a handful of people…
This response often comes from people who make presumptions on economics, rather than actually educating themselves on how the system works. From the outside looking in, the world of finance appears chaotic; a mixture of mathematical and legal standards swirling in a void of mass psychology. Many Americans are either frightened off by the seemingly complicated field of study, or they find it rather boring and not worth their time. This, however, does not stop them from assuming that they know how money works.

The problem is that just because a person participates in his economy daily, it does not mean he has any understanding of how it operates. Many watch television on a daily basis, but few have any idea how the picture actually gets onto the screen, or how to fix a television once it is broken. Sadly, our egocentric culture has led a substantial portion of the public to imagine that they are experts on EVERYTHING, and thus, true researchers in the fields of economics and globalism get reactions like the one above constantly.

At bottom, once all the quasi-technical biz-babble used by mainstream talking heads is removed from the equation, economics is rather simple. Supply and Demand will always be at the center of any and every economy, regardless of the political atmosphere it exists in. These two fundamental factors can be manipulated to a point, by the creation of artificial supply, or the conjuring of false demand. This is achieved in many ways by global bankers, but primarily through domination of the issuance of currency, the ability to change interest rates at will, as well as the ability to inject or remove incredible sums of money from any market.

A perfect example is the suppression of silver prices by JP Morgan:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whistleblower-exposes-jp-morgans-silver-manipulation-scheme (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whistleblower-exposes-jp-morgans-silver-manipulation-scheme)

Gold and silver represent competing currencies to the fiat dollars created by the Federal Reserve, and suppressing the value of these commodities helps to ensure that the public will never see them as a viable alternative to paper assets. JP Morgan, who along with other international banks has the ability to throw around massive quantities of capital wherever they please, suppresses the value of physical silver by issuing paper securities for silver that doesn’t actually exist (creating an artificially high supply), and naked short selling silver markets to drive them lower (creating the false impression of low demand).

Another good example of economic manipulation is the private Federal Reserve’s strategy during the 90’s under Alan Greenspan to artificially lower interest rates, allowing banks to issue credit at historical levels for over a decade. Linked below is an article from Ron Paul’s ‘Texas Straight Talk’ dated March, 2007, before the housing market even began its full swan-dive. In it, he discusses the Federal Reserve’s direct role in the creation of the housing bubble:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst031907.htm (http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst031907.htm)

Men like Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Gerald Celente, Jim Rogers, and many others were able to predict long before hand that the Federal Reserve’s actions were creating an explosive mortgage and credit bubble, yet, we are supposed to believe that the Federal Reserve had “no idea” that their actions would result in a debt implosion?

Catherine Austen Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Commissioner of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development under the first Bush Administration stated conversely that the mortgage bubble was absolutely not an accident, and that she had witnessed outright and deliberate fraud on the part of the U.S. government and the Federal Reserve Bank in creating the bubble. The fact that disturbed her most, however, was her discovery that only a small handful of international banks were responsible for the perpetuation of toxic mortgage debt, not just in America, but around the world:
http://solari.com/blog/?p=2058 (http://solari.com/blog/?p=2058)

Goldman Sachs (one of the primary globalist banks involved in the igniting of the debt crisis) was caught red-handed selling toxic derivatives to investors and governments all over the planet while at the same time betting against those derivatives on the market. Goldman even bet against mortgage securities the bank itself created!

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-26/goldman-sachs-bet-against-its-own-deals-senate-s-levin-says.html
This is sort of similar to a car maker selling vehicles without brake lines, then placing bets that their clients will crash and burn. Essentially, it is blatant and sociopathic fraud! Goldman’s actions directly contributed to credit collapses in numerous countries, including Greece, and here in the U.S.

The idea that global banks can turn the economy on and off like a light switch may be a stretch, but the vast majority of evidence shows that they do have the ability to shift the direction of markets to a point, as well as the ability to spur the growth of bubbles that eventually lead to recessions, depressions, and beyond. In fact, if one examines the U.S. economy from the inception of the Federal Reserve in 1913, they would find that the past century has been nothing but a series of engineered equity bubbles designed to slowly hobble, but not completely cripple, our financial system and our currency, at least, until recently. Like a steam locomotive on a collision course with a bottomless canyon, globalist banks can slow or speed up the pace of our descent, but the final destination never changes.

Now that we have established that market collapses can be created by a small handful of bankers and done knowingly, lets move on to the next most common sheeple-like talking point.

2. Yes, international banks triggered the meltdown, but the “greed of Capitalism” is truly to blame (i.e. Its all the Republican Party’s fault)…
First off, if you’re parroting the fiscal debate points of two dimensional socialist gatekeepers like Michael Moore, then you’re already hopelessly lost in the mind warping hedge maze of the false left/right paradigm. You should stay as far away as possible from adult conversions on economics, especially if you plan on associating the “greed” of capitalism and corporatism with the Republican Party alone.

News Flash! Barack Obama received far more in corporate campaign donations (including donations from BP and Exxon) than McCain did. Both Bush Jr. and Obama increased government spending to record levels meaning Neo-Conservatives are in no way “conservative” (as a true Republican is supposed to be). Obama has consistently surrounded himself with banksters and corporate lobbyists, including various hobgoblins from the bowels of Goldman Sachs. BOTH major parties are owned and operated by global banks. This is a cold hard undeniable truth of our political system. There is no way around it. Learn it, accept it as reality, and stop trying to blame one side or the other for problems that both sides created! If you cannot do this, your view of our cultural state of affairs will always be horribly skewed and your insights on our social problems will be utterly worthless.

While wannabe socialists desperately clamor to point fingers at the free market ideology as the cause of all our ills, the fact is that none of us have ever lived in a truly free market system. Since the inception of the Federal Reserve in 1913, all markets and even our own currency have become more and more vulnerable to manipulation by the banking elite. We have lived our entire lives in a rigged market, not a free market. To blame the very concept of Capitalism for our current dire circumstances is not only naïve, it is dangerous. Globalists would like nothing better than to promote the illusion that “too much freedom” led us to this disaster, and that severe controls must be put into place to ensure that it “never happens again”.

3. Global banks would never engineer the collapse of the U.S. economy or the Dollar. It makes them too much money…
This often heard song and dance ties in with the number two comment above. Again, the assumption is that the globalists only do what they do out of an “uncontrollable greed for money”. This perpetuates a couple fallacies. First, it encourages the false belief that the end concern for the Elite is the accumulation of riches. Central bankers have the ability to PRINT all the money they want from thin air! Remember, the Federal Reserve has never been subjected to a full audit, meaning they could easily create billions if not trillions without any oversight whatsoever. Greed for money, to them, is surely an absurd notion. What they do want, more than anything else, is social power. They want control over every living human being without question. All other concerns are secondary.

The next fallacy underlying the above argument is the conjecture that the U.S. economy is somehow indispensable to global banks. This is simply not so. Where we see the economy as an extension of our culture and ourselves, the Elites see financial systems as mere tools in the pursuit of a greater goal: World Government. Imagine you are building a house. Once your saw has fulfilled its intended role of cutting the wood, do you cling to it, or do you throw it aside and pick up a hammer? This is how globalists look at financial systems. They are perfectly willing to cast off the U.S. economy like a snake shedding skin if it brings them closer to attaining their ultimate aim.

The same goes for the Dollar. The Greenback may be the premier world reserve currency now, but that can and likely will change very quickly over the next couple years. The Dollar is a device that has outlived its usefulness as far as global bankers are concerned. The IMF has on several occasions made it clear that they eventually intend for the SDR (Special Drawing Rights) to replace the Dollar as the world reserve currency, and they have openly admitted that it will one day be established as a global currency. IMF press releases make this development sound far off and away, but SDR accumulations by countries around the world have risen dramatically in the past year. This along with other factors we will cover (namely China’s preparations to dump their U.S. T-bond holdings) show that IMF actions indicate they are preparing for a collapse of the Dollar now!

4. China would never dump U.S. Treasuries because it would hurt them as much as it hurts us…
The theory that China is somehow fused to the U.S. in a kind of symbiotic seesaw relationship that can never be broken is so ingrained among mainstream American financial analysts it simply will not die, regardless of how much contradictory evidence you show them. It really is like a mental disease which causes MSM pundits to go into involuntary Tourettic convulsions every time you mention the words “Treasury bond dump”. America and China are not conjoined twins, and one can survive without the other. We have covered the China issue over and over again, and I will not rehash all that evidence here. To lay it out simply: China has re-engineered its economy towards consumption and importation rather than relying on exports. The IMF has talked about this on many occasions with apparent excitement:

http://www.imf.org/external/np/tr/2010/tr072910c.htm

China has also finalized the ASEAN trading bloc which has combined export markets at least equal to that of the U.S. Meaning, China already has another place to send its exports besides America.

Most importantly, China must increase their currency’s value if their new consumer based system is to survive. Allowing the Yuan to rise sharply in value will revitalize the buying power of the Chinese populace making greater consumption possible. Indeed, China MUST dump their Treasury holdings and pump up the Yuan if they are to hold their economy together.

And, the Federal Reserve has given China every reason to turn its back on Treasuries through never ending liquidity injections. This is not to say that a U.S. collapse will not affect them, it would negatively affect the entire world. However, China has positioned itself to survive, and perhaps even thrive with their economic expansions into Africa, and their new financial agreements with Germany.

Finally, the Chinese have been very forthcoming over the past week about plans to drop Treasuries. China has dumped over 7.7% of their U.S. T-Bond holdings since January, including the biggest T-bond dump on record this month. They have openly admitted to a plan to diversify away from the Dollar:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-17/china-cuts-long-term-treasury-holdings-by-most-ever-as-u-s-yields-decline.html
(http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-17/china-cuts-long-term-treasury-holdings-by-most-ever-as-u-s-yields-decline.html)

I’m always fascinated by those economists who vehemently deny China will ever turn away from the U.S. Dollar while they are doing so right in plain view. Are MSM analysts simply crazy? I don’t know, but it would explain a lot…

5. Sure, bankers took advantage, but it’s really the American people’s fault for getting suckered…
Yes, a sizable portion of the American public can be gut wrenchingly stupid. It hurts my head and my feelings to see people act so idiotic, it really does. The problem with this argument though is that when it is taken too far it becomes an attempt to divert blame away from the criminals and place it on the victims. If you knowingly leave your front door unlocked in a bad neighborhood and you find your home ransacked the next day, then you are partly responsible. But, we cannot forget that the neighborhood is “bad” in the first place because of the criminals, not the people who don’t lock their doors.

Just because global banks can sucker the public doesn’t mean they should, or that they cannot be judged for it. The crime ultimately rests on those men who made the conscious effort to destroy this country, and the blame rests with them as well. I see the attempt to parlay the economic collapse into the lap of the American people very often lately, especially from bankers who now claim that it’s the American public’s fault entirely. Why? Because they will not spend more, they will not take on more debt, they will not take on more risk, and they will not believe hard enough in the recovery that never was. Imagine a serial rapist behind a podium admonishing women for carrying pepper spray. It’s eerily similar…

6. Ok, maybe the banks are causing a collapse, but to say the government is helping them is just crazy conspiracy theory…
Why is it that the Federal Reserve has never been fully audited? Why is it that when Ron Paul tried to pass HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Bill, it was muddled in committees and then eventually derailed? Why is it that banks like Goldman Sachs have been caught, yes caught, setting the stage for an economic implosion in this country, yet no government indictments have been formed to criminally prosecute them? Why are these men still roaming free like locusts to continue pillaging at will? Are we supposed to feel lucky that we get table scraps like Bernie Madoff behind bars while the Federal Reserve commits Ponzi fraud on a scale that dwarfs his?

Our government, both major parties, is owned lock stock and barrel. This is why there are no satisfactory answers for the questions posed above. Elements of the U.S. Government including almost every president since 1912 have not only turned a blind eye to Globalist activities, they have offered their full support to the bankers.

Nixon removed the Dollar from the gold standard in 1971 giving the Fed free reign to print as much fiat as they wished without limitations. In 1980 the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act was passed placing all banks essentially under the rules of the Federal Reserve. The Glass-Steagall Act which kept investment banks and depository banks separate was repealed under a Republican majority in the Senate, and then finalized by Democratic President Bill Clinton in 1999. 30 years ago, banks that held your home mortgage were for the most part required to keep that mortgage until it was finally paid. But, a series of government decisions spanning that period and influenced by global banks allowed for the “securitization” of mortgages, leading to the creation of “derivatives”, which were then used by corporate mobsters like Goldman Sachs to destroy our financial system. Last, but certainly not least, both the Bush and Obama Administrations pressured Congress into passing highly unpopular bailout legislation which basically rewarded the same banks that created the credit crisis with trillions in taxpayer dollars (yes, the bailouts are now actually in the trillions, not billions). This led to the coining of the term “too big to fail” (or “too big to jail”). Our Government has been nothing but complicit in the banker takeover of this country. To debate otherwise is to invite embarrassment.

I haven’t even scratched the surface of government involvement in the collapse of our economy. Cases like the Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980’s led to serious prosecutions and jail time for more than 1100 criminal bankers, but this only caused the government to respond by changing investigation rules to make it even more difficult to catch the high level fraudsters in the act! Linked below is an interview between Max Keiser and bank regulator Prof. William K Black who outlines our government’s complicity in the breakdown of the country it is mandated to protect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bf5Frx1lZk

Elites destroy cultures to make way for new philosophies; their philosophies. Its not so much “conspiracy theory” as it is a widely admitted methodology. Corporate globalists believe in global government on their terms and they barely try to hide it. If someone thinks this sounds “fantastical” then they haven’t been paying the slightest attention. When one understands how Elites view economy, and realizes their primary motivations, the fact that they purposely triggered a collapse is perfectly logical. Nothing besides all out war inspires more fear and desperation in a society than a financial upheaval. Such elements on a mass scale allow changes in our collective psychology that were never possible before. Most people tend to falter under such an overwhelming threat and turn towards any authority (or fake authority) to save them from harm. Some people scoff at this idea, but it is likely they have never actually been in the wake of a real national catastrophe before. Men, especially those who know little of themselves, can change quickly in the face of calamity. The Elites recognize this, engineer tragedy, then waltz into the aftermath to merrily lord over the rubble.

Will their plan work? I think not, but I’m an optimist (no, really). The pursuit of total control and total power seems rather infantile to me, be it on an impressively psychotic level. Although, if we are made to forget who the real enemy is, then I think they do have a chance at success. That is how they have remained successful to this point. Only now does the average man have such immense knowledge at his fingertips, the knowledge to bring down a line despots and tyrants that have reigned for centuries. If only the average man was not so easily deterred by WMD’s (Weapons of Mass Distraction). The Elites will likely ignite some wars, tempt us into in-fighting, and fabricate enemies like Al Qaeda out of the ether. As the slogan goes, “Order Out Of Chaos”. Whatever happens, our eyes must remain fixed on the root of the problem; the bankers, and nothing else.

Globalists are not invincible, they are not untouchable, they are not even all that brilliant. They are human, and they have made many mistakes. The engineering of an economic meltdown really changes nothing. Hired thugs, useful idiots, corrupt officials, even hyperinflation, all tiny obstacles when considering the world we could have if the Elites were finally made to face the reckoning they deserve. Americans once took on the greatest empire on Earth. We once took a feared king to task. Are a bunch of frothing corporate bankers really so daunting? All that is needed is a principled movement with the will to see justice done, and I believe we have that already.

ChumpDumper
08-17-2010, 06:40 PM
So, what is their plan again?

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 06:49 PM
So, what is their plan again?

unravel our economy then come in and take charge of whats left with a worldwide regime...the new world order.

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 06:50 PM
Chump you sink this ship and Ill buy you a six pack of your choice.

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 06:55 PM
This bullshit again?

ChumpDumper
08-17-2010, 06:59 PM
unravel our economy then come in and take charge of whats left with a worldwide regime...the new world order.Giordano Bruno (his real name?) says they already control the economy, so what more do they want?

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:02 PM
Giordano Bruno (his real name?) says they already control the economy, so what more do they want?

more than just financial control...a complete takeover. make our govt subservient to a global governing body.

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:04 PM
And yet, "they" already control the planet.

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:05 PM
Not to mention that not even the most inbred ignorant "Repug" on this forum cares (or knows) about David Rockefeller.

EmptyMan
08-17-2010, 07:07 PM
Great article.

There is a shit load of dots on the board that cannot be denied.

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:10 PM
Nixon removed the Dollar from the gold standard in 1971 giving the Fed free reign to print as much fiat as they wished without limitations.

Way overblown. More symbolic than anything else.

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:12 PM
Here's the problem. We have met the enemy and he (or she, for you commies) is us. Naturally it makes for great theater (and bank, for Mr. Jones) to make the enemy to be out to be some nefarious "global elite" out to kill us all. The sooner you figure this out, the sooner you cease to waste your life believing this shit. And if you don't, we know where you live.

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:14 PM
Great article.

There is a shit load of dots on the board that cannot be denied.

thats why I posted it....I cant trust it at face value, but as you say, theres a lot of dots that withstand scrutiny.

I want chump and winehole to chew there way through this theory. or anyone for that matter. not just a "this is b/s" more like a "this is bullshit because.." type of thing

six pack to the first one I declare "winner"

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:16 PM
Here's the problem. We have met the enemy and he (or she, for you commies) is us. Naturally it makes for great theater (and bank, for Mr. Jones) to make the enemy to be out to be some nefarious "global elite" out to kill us all. The sooner you figure this out, the sooner you cease to waste your life believing this shit. And if you don't, we know where you live.

has our voice in govt not been sacked?

we know the US people dont run shit...

we know someone has bought our govt...why would it not be the ultra wealthy at the helm?

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:17 PM
I used to wonder how Alex Jones drew an audience.

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:18 PM
has our voice in govt not been sacked?

we know the US people dont run shit...

we know someone has bought our govt...why would it not be the ultra wealthy at the helm?

And of course the "ultra wealthy" have one mind. And every member of the federal government has sold out to the same 'group,' as it were.

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:20 PM
I used to wonder how Alex Jones drew an audience.

he takes a lot of truths and stitches them to form a completely new picture.

by weaving in the truth, he makes his stories float. at least at first blush. then he banks coin.

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:21 PM
The pursuit of total control and total power seems rather infantile to me, be it on an impressively psychotic level.

The global elite are so intelligent and sophisticated as to amass large fortunes but are so stupid so as to allow Galileo or whoever blogging from their mother's basement to figure out their diabolical schemes. You stupid motherfucker.

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:22 PM
And of course the "ultra wealthy" have one mind. .

why wouldnt they?..they are a block of folks/entities with the same needs and concerns.

just like the autoworkers union or something...

and its a pretty exclusive club

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:23 PM
The global elite are so intelligent and sophisticated as to amass large fortunes but are so stupid so as to allow Galileo or whoever blogging from their mother's basement to figure out their diabolical schemes. You stupid motherfucker.

the thinking goes that they dont give a fuck, because the public is too stupid to recognize/stop their actions

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:25 PM
they operate in the light of day...no need to hide from inferior masses who have no means, no clue, and no voice anyway

Nbadan
08-17-2010, 07:36 PM
...there is a lot of peanut butter in that sandwich and no jelly...this one's not gonna stick..the writer should have focused on one conspiracy at a time...

Nbadan
08-17-2010, 07:38 PM
he takes a lot of truths and stitches them to form a completely new picture.

by weaving in the truth, he makes his stories float. at least at first blush. then he banks coin.

Many people believe that Jone's role is to spread disinformation...

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:38 PM
...there is a lot of peanut butter in that sandwich and no jelly...this one's not gonna stick..the writer should have focused on one conspiracy at a time...

its actually debunking the debunkers of the ongoing alex jones narrative...so your only getting the rebuttals really, or at l;east the rebuttal as to why its feasible that this conspiracy is possible

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:42 PM
Many people believe that Jone's role is to spread disinformation...

Of course, the Gifted & Talented retards believe so.

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:44 PM
Many people believe that Jone's role is to spread disinformation...

where do you get that from? hadnt heard that...that would mean that there is a doubly nefarious conspiracy going on beneath everything...more powerful than you could ever imagine?

ElNono
08-17-2010, 07:45 PM
Here's the problem. We have met the enemy and he (or she, for you commies) is us. Naturally it makes for great theater (and bank, for Mr. Jones) to make the enemy to be out to be some nefarious "global elite" out to kill us all. The sooner you figure this out, the sooner you cease to waste your life believing this shit. And if you don't, we know where you live.

As long as I have my cheap beer and big screen TV...

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 07:45 PM
lol. google alex jones cia agent or some such.

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 07:46 PM
be patient with me...I was only exposed to this stuff a couple of months back, and while some of it is straight trash, there is a visible thread here...I just wanted to hear some credible skepticism

Nbadan
08-17-2010, 07:55 PM
..the best way to debunk a conspiracy is to take the most extreme view, like Jones does with everything...such as, a missile hit the Pentagon and the Towers on 911....have it proven obviously wrong and all of the sudden ALL conspiracy theories about 911 get debunked....that's the way Jones rolls....maybe it's just a marketing niche for people who are susceptible to conspiracy theories....

DarrinS
08-17-2010, 08:10 PM
Good God. Can't we make a separate playroom for this dildo, Nbadan, and Gallileo?

Nbadan
08-17-2010, 08:18 PM
Good God. Can't we make a separate playroom for this dildo, Nbadan, and Gallileo?

...says the resident

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/beckconnect4-1-20091029.jpg

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 08:24 PM
Good God. Can't we make a separate playroom for this dildo, Nbadan, and Gallileo?

:jack

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 08:25 PM
Good God. Can't we make a separate playroom for this dildo, Nbadan, and Gallileo?

this thread is for conspiracy discussion. consider one big playroom. cee your way the fuck out.

SnakeBoy
08-17-2010, 08:34 PM
I used to wonder how Alex Jones drew an audience.

You need to wake up and start taking the things Parker posts seriously. Don't be a traitorous sheeple.

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 08:35 PM
You need to wake up and start taking the things Parker posts seriously. Don't be a traitorous sheeple.

Snake...you are always good for a smile, sir :toast

Marcus Bryant
08-17-2010, 09:22 PM
You need to wake up and start taking the things Parker posts seriously. Don't be a traitorous sheeple.

I'll take my chances.

CosmicCowboy
08-17-2010, 09:58 PM
We own you Parker...

BwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CosmicCowboy
08-17-2010, 10:00 PM
Good God. Can't we make a separate playroom for this dildo, Nbadan, and Gallileo?

Where will we put Croutons? in the playroom closet?

Parker2112
08-17-2010, 10:27 PM
We own you Parker...

BwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont endorse this...I am probing the ST community to get some quality debunking.

That requires intelligence.

In other words, nothing to see here, CC....

Winehole23
08-18-2010, 03:53 AM
I used to wonder how Alex Jones drew an audience.Has a mass appeal. Even if you don't believe Alex Jones, you'd better believe the tyranny response team (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/tyretehatshc.html) spirit paraphernalia. It's real, dude.

Winehole23
08-18-2010, 04:29 AM
I dont endorse this...I am probing the ST community to get some quality debunking.If you could do it yourself, you would already be satisfied.

Winehole23
08-18-2010, 04:49 AM
BTW, you shouldn't expect posters to take too keen an interest in whatever weak bs you happen to be "testing" on us at any given moment.

RandomGuy
08-18-2010, 07:32 AM
unravel our economy then come in and take charge of whats left with a worldwide regime...the new world order.

NWO? I didn't know you were into the Book of Revelations...

RandomGuy
08-18-2010, 07:43 AM
thats why I posted it....I cant trust it at face value, but as you say, theres a lot of dots that withstand scrutiny.

I want chump and winehole to chew there way through this theory. or anyone for that matter. not just a "this is b/s" more like a "this is bullshit because.." type of thing

six pack to the first one I declare "winner"

Fair enough.

As long as it is something decent. Sam Adams Boston lager.

This stuff is classic conspiracy theory "throw it on the wall to see what sticks".

It uses all the tools within the conspiracy theory bag:

1. A few actual facts.
--creates an aura of credibility, so you aren't looking as closely at the illogical underpinnings

2. Condescending "if you are in on this, you are smarter than everyone else".
--"sheeple" "Ron Paul says..." is simply the authors way of establishing that he is part of the "in" subculture that "gets it". If you aren't then you are clearly not cool.

3. Insinuation of motivation.
--classic ad hominem logical fallacy. it is fun to claim motivation without proof.

4. Insinuation of action
--more logical fail, assertions of actions without proof.

I will get to all of this in due time, but the warning signs are all there for people to put their skeptics hat on.

Blake
08-18-2010, 08:16 AM
Elites destroy cultures to make way for new philosophies; their philosophies. Its not so much “conspiracy theory” as it is a widely admitted methodology. Corporate globalists believe in global government on their terms and they barely try to hide it. If someone thinks this sounds “fantastical” then they haven’t been paying the slightest attention. When one understands how Elites view economy, and realizes their primary motivations, the fact that they purposely triggered a collapse is perfectly logical. Nothing besides all out war inspires more fear and desperation in a society than a financial upheaval. Such elements on a mass scale allow changes in our collective psychology that were never possible before. Most people tend to falter under such an overwhelming threat and turn towards any authority (or fake authority) to save them from harm. Some people scoff at this idea, but it is likely they have never actually been in the wake of a real national catastrophe before. Men, especially those who know little of themselves, can change quickly in the face of calamity. The Elites recognize this, engineer tragedy, then waltz into the aftermath to merrily lord over the rubble.

Who exactly are these elites?

While skimming through this, I was almost surprised not to see the word Illuminati.

EmptyMan
08-18-2010, 08:20 AM
You all won't be laughing when the underground reptilian society takes over the surface.

In fact, after reading many of y'alls posts...that's just what reptilians would say :wow You Reptilian Illuminati brahs?

boutons_deux
08-18-2010, 08:42 AM
"Patriot" Paranoia: A Look at the Top Ten Conspiracy Theories

Conspiracy theorizing has flourished as a virtual art form in all nations and across all political persuasions. But the American radical right has to be considered a strong contender for the title of modern conspiracy champion.

there is no arguing that these theories have seen a revival on the extreme right in recent years. Over the last two decades, a far-right conspiracy culture of self-proclaimed "Patriots" has emerged in which the United States government itself is viewed as a mortal threat to everything from constitutional democracy to the survival of the human race.

Since Obama's election, the constituent theories within the overarching narrative of the New World Order have increasingly made inroads into the mainstream national discourse.

http://www.truth-out.org/patriot-paranoia-a-look-top-ten-conspiracy-theories62368?print

============

Crazy tri-cornered-hat fuckers, every last one of them. And often with a financial interest in paranoid fear-mongering.

The Business Of The American Right Is Bat-Shit-Crazy Paranoid Business (and paid for by VRWC)

"Christian" paranoid business is scare-mongering about End Times and everybody Going To Hell unless you agree to be scammed for $Bs.

RandomGuy
08-18-2010, 08:52 AM
Good God. Can't we make a separate playroom for this dildo, Nbadan, and Gallileo?

Translation:
[My conspiracy theories are so much more better than this guys' material.]

:rolleyes

TeyshaBlue
08-18-2010, 09:18 AM
Translation:
[My conspiracy theories are so much more better than this guys' material.]

:rolleyes
This is the droid you're looking for. :lol

http://www.timecube.com/

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 11:51 AM
"Patriot" Paranoia: A Look at the Top Ten Conspiracy Theories

Conspiracy theorizing has flourished as a virtual art form in all nations and across all political persuasions. But the American radical right has to be considered a strong contender for the title of modern conspiracy champion.

there is no arguing that these theories have seen a revival on the extreme right in recent years. Over the last two decades, a far-right conspiracy culture of self-proclaimed "Patriots" has emerged in which the United States government itself is viewed as a mortal threat to everything from constitutional democracy to the survival of the human race.

Since Obama's election, the constituent theories within the overarching narrative of the New World Order have increasingly made inroads into the mainstream national discourse.

http://www.truth-out.org/patriot-paranoia-a-look-top-ten-conspiracy-theories62368?print

============

Crazy tri-cornered-hat fuckers, every last one of them. And often with a financial interest in paranoid fear-mongering.

The Business Of The American Right Is Bat-Shit-Crazy Paranoid Business (and paid for by VRWC)

"Christian" paranoid business is scare-mongering about End Times and everybody Going To Hell unless you agree to be scammed for $Bs.

try and a miss.

it goes well beyond us borders

Up--Uz752O0

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 12:14 PM
Who exactly are these elites?

While skimming through this, I was almost surprised not to see the word Illuminati.

the elites are those that: 1) are pushing a globalist agenda, and 2) have means to make it happen.

think beyond personal wealth...think power to control media and set both corporate and govt policy.

Blake
08-18-2010, 01:00 PM
the elites are those that: 1) are pushing a globalist agenda, and 2) have means to make it happen.

think beyond personal wealth...think power to control media and set both corporate and govt policy.

I'm not a big fan of the strawman.

do you actually have names of people/entities or are you going to tell me to keep thinking about it?

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 01:36 PM
I'm not a big fan of the strawman.

do you actually have names of people/entities or are you going to tell me to keep thinking about it?

Bilderberg for a start....and the question arises...why is this group not discussed in mainstream media? if officials at the highest level of our govt are attending, in any capacity, why are the public not informed?

start at 3:24

PmhiGy2VPmc

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 01:39 PM
OK this dude sums it all up.

7nD7dbkkBIA

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 01:41 PM
this dude might debunk the whole thing hmself, if given the chance.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 02:12 PM
it seems to me that if a person wanted to debunk this philosophy, he would have to follow the chain back to its roots. these theorists are interpreting every world event through the theories they have concocted...thus any story or event they address necessarily has an element of truth, and an element of their respective conspiratorial interpretation.

in order to debunk the theories, you would have to trace this stuff back to its origins, to prove the illegitimate beginnnings/sources/motives.

not sure if i have time for this sort of thing...surely someone out there has already done this...

but it looks like tecate for me :toast

Galileo
08-18-2010, 02:17 PM
as John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus of Nazareth, Giordano Bruno paved the way for Galileo Galilei....

LnGrrrR
08-18-2010, 02:20 PM
There's no underhanded scheme, just a combination of greed and power. That's really all it takes.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 02:29 PM
There's no underhanded scheme, just a combination of greed and power. That's really all it takes.

if you watch the aaron russo video above, the ultimate scheme is to get everyone chipped.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 02:38 PM
so to get back to the issue, the elite want to destroy the american economy (current financial crisis/constant war) and the freedoms and self governance we enjoy in order to take control of our economy/country through some global body (NWO), and once they are in they can force us to get chipped (satans plan).

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 02:46 PM
this premise would rally a lot of groups...christians, anti-globalists/anti-WTO, conspiracy theorists, americans against the war, americans against obamas socialism, etc.

this explains why the theory isnt limited to american far right

sounds like a good way to sell some books/dvds to a huge audience.

LnGrrrR
08-18-2010, 02:55 PM
if you watch the aaron russo video above, the ultimate scheme is to get everyone chipped.

Or it could just be a bunch of greedy bankers who want more and more freedom, lobby Congress, get those laws, then proceed to try to make more money through stupid schemes until they bankrupt the nation.

If they were really good, there wouldn't have been a nationwide "crisis" because all their deals would've been under the radar.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 03:01 PM
Or it could just be a bunch of greedy bankers who want more and more freedom, lobby Congress, get those laws, then proceed to try to make more money through stupid schemes until they bankrupt the nation.

If they were really good, there wouldn't have been a nationwide "crisis" because all their deals would've been under the radar.

the response would be that the crisis, sufficient to create mass sheeple panic, must always precede the massive power grab.

LnGrrrR
08-18-2010, 03:12 PM
the response would be that the crisis, sufficient to create mass sheeple panic, must always precede the massive power grab.

Why? After all, they would need some amount of power to get into position to CREATE the crisis, wouldn't they?

boutons_deux
08-18-2010, 03:17 PM
"must always precede the massive power grab."

bullshit.

the power grab (aka money grab) started with St Ronnie getting the conservative shitball rolling, cutting taxes for the wealthy (eg, himself), raising taxes on the non-wealthy, and sanctioning from the Office of the President the war on unions and employees.

That continued for 30 years, and continues now. Where was sheeple panic for those 30years?

There's no way to grab back that power, and the power-holder NEVER relinquish the power. America is fucked and unfuckable.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 03:24 PM
Why? After all, they would need some amount of power to get into position to CREATE the crisis, wouldn't they?

the answer would be that they already have power in govt, at the highest levels, that they have purchased, and that this influence is being used to influence policy,

policy to constantly expand the powers of federal gov to usurp power until POW...the crisis gives them opportunity to implement the tools that can only be wielded during such an event...tools that have already been put on the books (patriot act, Homeland Sec expansion) but arent covered by the media. martial law follows to restore order, and we never make it back to freedom.

the crisis will allow the executive branch an appearance of legal propriety, as it consolidates power to restore order...and severs the american people's power to control their own govt.

scary stuff. then again reptile bloodlines are scary too.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 03:26 PM
"must always precede the massive power grab."

bullshit.

the power grab (aka money grab) started with St Ronnie getting the conservative shitball rolling, cutting taxes for the wealthy (eg, himself), raising taxes on the non-wealthy, and sanctioning from the Office of the President the war on unions and employees.

That continued for 30 years, and continues now. Where was sheeple panic for those 30years?

There's no way to grab back that power, and the power-holder NEVER relinquish the power. America is fucked and unfuckable.

but the panic at that time stemmed from the big red machine. so, yes there was a crisis even then. then it was russia, now it is terrorists,

Blake
08-18-2010, 03:28 PM
Bilderberg for a start....

and the question arises...why is this group not discussed in mainstream media? if officials at the highest level of our govt are attending, in any capacity, why are the public not informed?

start at 3:24

PmhiGy2VPmc

I'm not big on sitting through conspiracy youtubes either. Just get to the point in simple sentences please.

how do you know that officials at the highest level are attending?

seems to me this is nothing more that a social club for the rich and powerful, with attendees that have come and gone over the years.

if they were founded in 1954, they've done a crappy job at achieving a new world order in the last 50+ years.

LnGrrrR
08-18-2010, 03:28 PM
the answer would be that they already have power in govt, at the highest levels, that they have purchased, and that this influence is being used to influence policy,

Let's look at this statement. They already have power in government, so they use that power in government to influence policy, to give themself more power.

That's not really a big surprise. Pretty much every company that has lobbysists does that. That doesn't mean every company is trying to "take over", just that they want more lax rules for them.


policy to constantly expand the powers of federal gov to usurp power until POW...the crisis gives them opportunity to implement the tools that can only be wielded during such an event...tools that have already been put on the books (patriot act, Homeland Sec expansion) but arent covered by the media. martial law follows to restore order, and we never make it back to freedom.

Tell me how bankers benefit from the Patriot Act? Martial law, if implemented, could only ever be on a temporary basis. We have too many guns in the hands of homeowners for martial law to truly work, and that's assuming every lawmen/military person obeyed their orders unflinchingly, which is highly unlikely.


the crisis will allow the executive branch an appearance of legal propriety, as it consolidates power to restore order...and severs the american people's power to control their own govt.

Americans' ability to control government is tenuous at best. But that's a separate issue from an evil council of boogeymen nefariously plotting world takeover.

Blake
08-18-2010, 03:30 PM
OK this dude sums it all up.

7nD7dbkkBIA

cliffnotes please

LnGrrrR
08-18-2010, 03:32 PM
but the panic at that time stemmed from the big red machine. so, yes there was a crisis even then. then it was russia, now it is terrorists,

So there's alot of idiots who are scared easily. That doesn't mean someone's pulling their strings. Some people are just dumb.

Blake
08-18-2010, 03:36 PM
but it looks like tecate for me :toast

:lol

how are you going to know when you've lost?

Blake
08-18-2010, 03:38 PM
So there's alot of idiots who are scared easily. That doesn't mean someone's pulling their strings. Some people are just dumb.

prove someone's not pulling their strings.

LnGrrrR
08-18-2010, 03:47 PM
prove someone's not pulling their strings.

:lmao :toast

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 04:20 PM
I'm not big on sitting through conspiracy youtubes either. Just get to the point in simple sentences please.

how do you know that officials at the highest level are attending?

seems to me this is nothing more that a social club for the rich and powerful, with attendees that have come and gone over the years.

if they were founded in 1954, they've done a crappy job at achieving a new world order in the last 50+ years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants#United_States


List of Bilderberg participants
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[edit (http://spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_Bilderberg_participants&action=edit&section=3)] United States
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Bilderberg_Attendees.png/280px-Bilderberg_Attendees.png (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/File:Bilderberg_Attendees.png) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/File:Bilderberg_Attendees.png)
Map of countries by the number of politicians (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Politician), which have attended one or more conferences organized by the Bilderberg Group



George W. Ball (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/George_Wildman_Ball) (1954, 1993),[13] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-12) Under Secretary of State 1961-1968, Ambassador to U.N. 1968
Sandy Berger (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Sandy_Berger) (1999),[14] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-13) National Security Advisor (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)), 1997–2001
Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton),[15] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-autogenerated3-14) 67th United States Secretary of State
Timothy Geithner (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Timothy_Geithner),[16] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-autogenerated2-15) Treasury Secretary (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_the_Treasury)
Lee H. Hamilton (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Lee_H._Hamilton) (1997),[1] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-prweb97-0) former US Congressman (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives)
Christian Herter (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Christian_Herter),[17] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-16) (1961, 1963, 1964, 1966), 53rd United States Secretary of State
Charles Douglas Jackson (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Charles_Douglas_Jackson) (1957, 1958, 1960),[18] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-17) Special Assistant to the President
Joseph E. Johnson (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Joseph_E._Johnson)[19] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-hatch-18) (1954), President Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Carnegie_Endowment_for_International_Peace)
Henry Kissinger (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Henry_Kissinger)[20] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-maxwell04-19) (1957, 1964, 1966, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977, 2008),[21] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-TWP1978-20) 56th United States Secretary of State
Colin Powell (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Colin_Powell) (1997),[1] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-prweb97-0) 65th United States Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice),[15] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-autogenerated3-14) 66th United States Secretary of State
Lawrence Summers (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Lawrence_Summers),[16] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-autogenerated2-15) Director of the National Economic Council (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/National_Economic_Council)
Paul Volcker (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Paul_Volcker),[16] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-autogenerated2-15) Chair of the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board and Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1979–1987
[edit (http://spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_Bilderberg_participants&action=edit&section=4)] Presidents


Bill Clinton (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Bill_Clinton) (1991),[22] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-BBCSep05-21)[23] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Brown1991-22) President 1993-2001
Gerald Ford (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Gerald_Ford) (1964, 1966),[4] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-autogenerated1976-3)[24] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-23) President 1974-1977
[edit (http://spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_Bilderberg_participants&action=edit&section=5)] Senators


Tom Daschle (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Tom_Daschle),[15] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-autogenerated3-14) Senator from South Dakota (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/South_Dakota) 1987-2005
John Edwards (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/John_Edwards) (2004),[25] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-24)[26] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-25) Senator from North Carolina (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/North_Carolina) 1999-2005
Chuck Hagel (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Chuck_Hagel) (1999, 2000),[27] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Hill2005-26) Senator from Nebraska 1997-2009
Sam Nunn (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Sam_Nunn) (1996, 1997),[1] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-prweb97-0) Senator from Georgia 1972-1997
[edit (http://spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_Bilderberg_participants&action=edit&section=6)] Governors


Rick Perry (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Rick_Perry) (2007),[28] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-27) Governor of Texas (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Governor_of_Texas) 2000-current
Mark Sanford (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Mark_Sanford) (2008),[29] (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Sanford2008-28) Governor of South Carolina (http://spurstalk.com/wiki/Governor_of_South_Carolina)

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 04:30 PM
Tell me how bankers benefit from the Patriot Act? Martial law, if implemented, could only ever be on a temporary basis. We have too many guns in the hands of homeowners for martial law to truly work, and that's assuming every lawmen/military person obeyed their orders unflinchingly, which is highly unlikely.



the consolidation of power in one place (fed gov) makes it ripe for the taking. the less consolidated power is, the more impossible a takeover would be. its like a fruit tree gathering sugars in its fruit, which eventually ripen to be picked and eaten. the patriot act just allows the gov more power until it has what it needs to take over at a crisis, then martial law would be taken and never relenquished...or returned but under new new terms...

the second amendment is critical here no doubt.

but if you think about where warfare is headed, if drones were even turned on our people, we no longer need that many loyal military/police... it wouldnt take any more than a few hundred gamers in Utah...similar to what is being implemented now, but on a bigger scale...to keep the masses at bay, controlling a few thousand drones.

Blake
08-18-2010, 04:35 PM
if officials at the highest level of our govt are attending, in any capacity, why are the public not informed?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants#United_States

so the public really was/is informed.

lol you drinking your six pack already.

Blake
08-18-2010, 04:37 PM
the consolidation of power in one place (fed gov) makes it ripe for the taking. the less consolidated power is, the more impossible a takeover would be. its like a fruit tree gathering sugars in its fruit, which eventually ripen to be picked and eaten. the patriot act just allows the gov more power until it has what it needs to take over at a crisis, then martial law would be taken and never relenquished...or returned but under new new terms...

the second amendment is critical here no doubt.

but if you think about where warfare is headed, if drones were even turned on our people, we no longer need that many loyal military/police... it wouldnt take any more than a few hundred gamers in Utah...similar to what is being implemented now, but on a bigger scale...to keep the masses at bay, controlling a few thousand drones.

how soon do you see the world being ruled by one new world order government?

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 04:54 PM
how soon do you see the world being ruled by one new world order government?

I dont see it.

that said, if our economy indeed collapses, its a new ballgame.

But I like the secondary effects here from Alex Jones' marketing....

the fear speak is causing listeners to reconsider what freedom is, how it can be lost, and how we might keep it (if we indeed still have it).

This message is in part what is driving the tea party movement. and the rambling message explains the rambling focus in the party. the party includes truthers, birthers, radical right neo-nazi anti semites, etc...driven by conspiracy theory believers in many forms...

along with a more centrist group that just wants to take back the govt from corrupt politicians.

so Alex has a big audience to pander to...

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 05:21 PM
evidently more people read infowars than you might think...

Gt6GjrVfxxk

Blake
08-18-2010, 06:39 PM
So, what is their plan again?


unravel our economy then come in and take charge of whats left with a worldwide regime...the new world order.


how soon do you see the world being ruled by one new world order government?


I dont see it.

I'm willing to share the six pack.

RandomGuy
08-18-2010, 07:06 PM
if you watch the aaron russo video above, the ultimate scheme is to get everyone chipped.

More scaremongering from evangelical christians.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 07:16 PM
so it would seem.

Blake
08-18-2010, 07:54 PM
so it would seem.

aw.

tell you what.....since you mostly self-debunked, you deserve some of your beer. we'll all share.

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 08:34 PM
aw.

tell you what.....since you mostly self-debunked, you deserve some of your beer. we'll all share.

two six packs is the only right answer here.

LnGrrrR
08-18-2010, 09:35 PM
but if you think about where warfare is headed, if drones were even turned on our people, we no longer need that many loyal military/police... it wouldnt take any more than a few hundred gamers in Utah...similar to what is being implemented now, but on a bigger scale...to keep the masses at bay, controlling a few thousand drones.

Who do you think controls the drones? You know they're not automated, right?

Tell me, where are these gamers so dedicated to the NWO to run these drones? Oh, and the maintenance people to maintain them. And the comm guys to make sure they're getting the signal. Etc etc.

What you're envisioning only exists in some dystopian future. Right now, the technology to do what you're thinking about doesn't exist. Even if it DID exist, you don't think some smart citizens could take down a drone and reverse engineer it?

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Who do you think controls the drones? You know they're not automated, right?

Tell me, where are these gamers so dedicated to the NWO to run these drones? Oh, and the maintenance people to maintain them. And the comm guys to make sure they're getting the signal. Etc etc.

What you're envisioning only exists in some dystopian future. Right now, the technology to do what you're thinking about doesn't exist. Even if it DID exist, you don't think some smart citizens could take down a drone and reverse engineer it?

man, everyone knows gamers will do satan's bidding to get to work with the latest tech. :lol

Parker2112
08-18-2010, 11:53 PM
besides they have other options...:downspin:

ktbMbQJ-YR0

RandomGuy
08-19-2010, 08:03 AM
My own theory about conspiracy theorists is that they are, inherently, control freaks.

The idea that the world is a random ball of chaos, and that people, even powerful ones, can only exert a limited amount of control to events, scares such people.

It is therefore more "comforting" on some level to think that SOMEONE, even an evil someone or someones, is in control.

I would love to test this hypothesis at some point, by measuring conspiracy theorists' tolerance for ambiguity (how comfortable they are with feelings of being out of control).

LnGrrrR
08-19-2010, 01:31 PM
man, everyone knows gamers will do satan's bidding to get to work with the latest tech. :lol

Now we've transitioned from 1984 to Ender's Game. :lol

LnGrrrR
08-19-2010, 01:33 PM
My own theory about conspiracy theorists is that they are, inherently, control freaks.

The idea that the world is a random ball of chaos, and that people, even powerful ones, can only exert a limited amount of control to events, scares such people.

It is therefore more "comforting" on some level to think that SOMEONE, even an evil someone or someones, is in control.

I would love to test this hypothesis at some point, by measuring conspiracy theorists' tolerance for ambiguity (how comfortable they are with feelings of being out of control).

I'll play (completely unqualified) armchair psychologist. Speaking of control issues playing a role, I'd also argue that having someone to "blame" inherently makes a problem "fixable" if you can just get that person (s) out of control.