Anyone have Duncan's combined Finals stats?

[midnightpulp]

A google search yielded nada. If any of you have them, it would be much appreciated.

[FromWayDowntown]

Based on basketball-reference, I have them to be:

GP: 22
MP: 926 (42.1 mpg)
FG: 188/398 (.472)
3PT: 0/4
FT: 123/176 (.699)
REB: 86-231-317 (14.4 rpg)
AST: 74 (3.4 apg)
STL: 19 (0.9 spg)
BLK: 67 (3.0 bpg)
TO: 68 (3.1 to/gm)
PTS: 499 (22.7 ppg)

[midnightpulp]

Based on basketball-reference, I have them to be:

GP: 22
MP: 926 (42.1 mpg)
FG: 188/398 (.472)
3PT: 0/4
FT: 123/176 (.699)
REB: 86-231-317 (14.4 rpg)
AST: 74 (3.4 apg)
STL: 19 (0.9 spg)
BLK: 67 (3.0 bpg)
TO: 68 (3.1 to/gm)
PTS: 499 (22.7 ppg)

Thanks a ton.

Did you add them up yourself, or does BBRef have a built in way to calculate Finals stats?

[eisfeld]

14.4 rpg and 3.0 bpg is quite impressive. Thx :tu

[FromWayDowntown]

Thanks a ton.

Did you add them up yourself, or does BBRef have a built in way to calculate Finals stats?

If BBRef has that tool, I'm not aware of it. I just copied and pasted numbers into a spreadsheet and did a few calculations.


14.4 rpg and 3.0 bpg is quite impressive. Thx :tu

The rebounding numbers are helped a lot by his efforts in 2003 and 2005, and particularly 2003, when Timmy averaged 17 rebounds per game over the 6 games of the Finals. In retrospect (though it was equally true in the moment, I think) his 14+ rebounds per game in 2005 against that Pistons front line is a fitting testament to his greatness on the glass.

[DeadlyDynasty]

0% 3PT? what an f'n bum...
:p:

[Galileo]

Based on basketball-reference, I have them to be:

GP: 22
MP: 926 (42.1 mpg)
FG: 188/398 (.472)
3PT: 0/4
FT: 123/176 (.699)
REB: 86-231-317 (14.4 rpg)
AST: 74 (3.4 apg)
STL: 19 (0.9 spg)
BLK: 67 (3.0 bpg)
TO: 68 (3.1 to/gm)
PTS: 499 (22.7 ppg)

These stats, combined with a win/loss record of 16-6, makes Duncan possibly the greatest of all time. That's a better finals percentage than Russell or Jordan.

[AlleyOopNazi]

percentage is the key word in that statement

[Galileo]

percentage is the key word in that statement

Duncan's Finals W/L projects to a 60-22 regular season.

Jordan's projects to a 56-26 regular season.

[FromWayDowntown]

Jordan shot better percentages (over a much greater number of shots) in Finals games than Timmy has:

MJ: .481 (438-911); .368 (42-114); .806 (258-320)
TD: .472 (188-398); .000 (0-4); .699 (123-176)

As a more efficient shooter than Duncan, Jordan was a much more proficient Finals scorer than TD:

MJ: 1176 points in 35 games (33.6 ppg)
TD: 499 points in 22 games (22.7 ppg)

Jordan clearly loses out to Timmy in rebounding and blocks, but is well ahead in assists and steals and actually turned it over less in his games than Duncan did in his games:

MJ: 209 asst (5.97 apg); 62 stl (1.77 spg); 99 to (2.83 to/gm)
TD: 74 asst (3.36 apg); 19 stl (0.86 spg); 68 to (3.09 to/gm)

As for the winning percentage issue, I think there's a really good argument that Duncan's teams never really did face the quality of Finals competition that Jordan's teams did, and that may account for the fact that Jordan's teams needed a handful of extra games to win their titles than the Spurs did.

In winning 4 titles, the Spurs beat:

1999 NYK (27-23)
2003 NJN (49-33)
2005 DET (54-28)
2007 CLE (50-32)

In winning 6 titles, the Bulls beat:

1998 UTH (62-20)
1997 UTH (64-18)
1996 SEA (64-18)
1993 PNX (62-20)
1992 PRT (57-25)
1991 LAL (58-24)

Thus, in winning their 4 titles, the Spurs never beat a team in the Finals that had won 55 games (or the equivalent) over the preceding regular season; in winning their 6 titles, the Bulls never faced a team that won fewer than 57 games in the preceding regular season. If you extrapolate the 99 Knicks winning percentage over an 82 game season, the Spurs Finals wins include 2 titles over teams that didn't even win 50 games and a third against a team that only won 50. As Finalists' records go, the 2005 Pistons' 54 wins is still relatively pedestrian.

I think there's a pretty substantial difference in the quality of the teams the Spurs beat in 1999, 2003, 2005, and 2007 and the quality of the teams the Bulls beat. (I'd add an objective-sounding caveat to the use of regular season records -- the NBA expansion of the late 80's watered down the league briefly and the succeeding expansion in 1995 had a similar effect on the top end records. But I don't think it's particularly arguable that the difference expansion had in those seasons suffices to explain an average win disparity of greater than 10 among the Bulls' Finals opponents and the Spurs').

Jordan's teams won Finals games at a slightly lower rate than Duncan's teams did. But Jordan's teams never faced a team that won 50 games or less and Duncan's teams never faced a team that won 60 games or more.

[m33p0]

didn't he made 1 3pt against the pistons? Oo

[ChuckD]

Jordan shot better percentages (over a much greater number of shots) in Finals games than Timmy has:

MJ: .481 (438-911); .368 (42-114); .806 (258-320)
TD: .472 (188-398); .000 (0-4); .699 (123-176)

As a more efficient shooter than Duncan, Jordan was a much more proficient Finals scorer than TD:

MJ: 1176 points in 35 games (33.6 ppg)
TD: 499 points in 22 games (22.7 ppg)

Jordan clearly loses out to Timmy in rebounding and blocks, but is well ahead in assists and steals and actually turned it over less in his games than Duncan did in his games:

MJ: 209 asst (5.97 apg); 62 stl (1.77 spg); 99 to (2.83 to/gm)
TD: 74 asst (3.36 apg); 19 stl (0.86 spg); 68 to (3.09 to/gm)

As for the winning percentage issue, I think there's a really good argument that Duncan's teams never really did face the quality of Finals competition that Jordan's teams did, and that may account for the fact that Jordan's teams needed a handful of extra games to win their titles than the Spurs did.

In winning 4 titles, the Spurs beat:

1999 NYK (27-23)
2003 NJN (49-33)
2005 DET (54-28)
2007 CLE (50-32)

In winning 6 titles, the Bulls beat:

1998 UTH (62-20)
1997 UTH (64-18)
1996 SEA (64-18)
1993 PNX (62-20)
1992 PRT (57-25)
1991 LAL (58-24)

Thus, in winning their 4 titles, the Spurs never beat a team in the Finals that had won 55 games (or the equivalent) over the preceding regular season; in winning their 6 titles, the Bulls never faced a team that won fewer than 57 games in the preceding regular season. If you extrapolate the 99 Knicks winning percentage over an 82 game season, the Spurs Finals wins include 2 titles over teams that didn't even win 50 games and a third against a team that only won 50. As Finalists' records go, the 2005 Pistons' 54 wins is still relatively pedestrian.

I think there's a pretty substantial difference in the quality of the teams the Spurs beat in 1999, 2003, 2005, and 2007 and the quality of the teams the Bulls beat. (I'd add an objective-sounding caveat to the use of regular season records -- the NBA expansion of the late 80's watered down the league briefly and the succeeding expansion in 1995 had a similar effect on the top end records. But I don't think it's particularly arguable that the difference expansion had in those seasons suffices to explain an average win disparity of greater than 10 among the Bulls' Finals opponents and the Spurs').

Jordan's teams won Finals games at a slightly lower rate than Duncan's teams did. But Jordan's teams never faced a team that won 50 games or less and Duncan's teams never faced a team that won 60 games or more.

To be fair to Tim, the East has fucking sucked for most of his career. He just did what he was supposed to in demolishing competition that he should have. I'm not sure that if you took the team with the best record in the East every year Tim won that they would have even averaged 57 wins, which was the lowest win total that Jordan faced.

[mystargtr34]

Jordan shot better percentages (over a much greater number of shots) in Finals games than Timmy has:

MJ: .481 (438-911); .368 (42-114); .806 (258-320)
TD: .472 (188-398); .000 (0-4); .699 (123-176)

As a more efficient shooter than Duncan, Jordan was a much more proficient Finals scorer than TD:

MJ: 1176 points in 35 games (33.6 ppg)
TD: 499 points in 22 games (22.7 ppg)

Jordan clearly loses out to Timmy in rebounding and blocks, but is well ahead in assists and steals and actually turned it over less in his games than Duncan did in his games:

MJ: 209 asst (5.97 apg); 62 stl (1.77 spg); 99 to (2.83 to/gm)
TD: 74 asst (3.36 apg); 19 stl (0.86 spg); 68 to (3.09 to/gm)

As for the winning percentage issue, I think there's a really good argument that Duncan's teams never really did face the quality of Finals competition that Jordan's teams did, and that may account for the fact that Jordan's teams needed a handful of extra games to win their titles than the Spurs did.

In winning 4 titles, the Spurs beat:

1999 NYK (27-23)
2003 NJN (49-33)
2005 DET (54-28)
2007 CLE (50-32)

In winning 6 titles, the Bulls beat:

1998 UTH (62-20)
1997 UTH (64-18)
1996 SEA (64-18)
1993 PNX (62-20)
1992 PRT (57-25)
1991 LAL (58-24)

Thus, in winning their 4 titles, the Spurs never beat a team in the Finals that had won 55 games (or the equivalent) over the preceding regular season; in winning their 6 titles, the Bulls never faced a team that won fewer than 57 games in the preceding regular season. If you extrapolate the 99 Knicks winning percentage over an 82 game season, the Spurs Finals wins include 2 titles over teams that didn't even win 50 games and a third against a team that only won 50. As Finalists' records go, the 2005 Pistons' 54 wins is still relatively pedestrian.

I think there's a pretty substantial difference in the quality of the teams the Spurs beat in 1999, 2003, 2005, and 2007 and the quality of the teams the Bulls beat. (I'd add an objective-sounding caveat to the use of regular season records -- the NBA expansion of the late 80's watered down the league briefly and the succeeding expansion in 1995 had a similar effect on the top end records. But I don't think it's particularly arguable that the difference expansion had in those seasons suffices to explain an average win disparity of greater than 10 among the Bulls' Finals opponents and the Spurs').

Jordan's teams won Finals games at a slightly lower rate than Duncan's teams did. But Jordan's teams never faced a team that won 50 games or less and Duncan's teams never faced a team that won 60 games or more.

Really good break down.. in most cases the real Finals were the Western Conference Finals... especially in 1999 (even though the Spurs swept through).. 2003 and 2007. It would be good to see Duncan's numbers against the WCF opponent in each of those years. Then again.. there isnt the pressure to perform and the entire world watching like there is during the Finals