San Antonio smoking ban strengthened

[Blake]

08/20/2010

Associated Press


Public health concerns were cited as the San Antonio City Council approved a plan to expand a ban on smoking in many public places.

The updated smoke-free ordinance takes effect in a year, on Aug. 19, 2011.

Council members approved the new ordinance Thursday.

It eliminates exemptions that have allowed lighting up in bars, pool and bingo halls, comedy clubs and restaurants with enclosed smoking areas. Smoking also will be banned at the San Antonio Zoo and within 20 feet of outdoor public transit stations.

A compromise ordinance allows for a one-year phase-in period.

The River Walk tourist area is exempt from the smoking ban, along with Main Plaza, Alamo Plaza, retail tobacco stores and private clubs.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9HN6E481.html


better late than never.

[Joe Camel]

better late than never.

Oh hell no.

[Dr. Gonzo]

The 3rd fattest city in the nation should focus on getting the people of the city to eat healthier instead of worrying about smoke in bars.

[Fat boy]

The 3rd fattest city in the nation should focus on getting the people of the city to eat healthier instead of worrying about smoke in bars.


:flipoff wuss

[spursncowboys]

Yeah because it's the govt.'s duty to get the population in shape and parent them. This is fucking stupid. Let the companies decide if they want to have smoking or not. They are the ones who will make or lose business. Places like Maggies shouldn't have to go to business because of a few community college socialists with law degrees. It is absolutely ridiculous how the Northside only has three districts but account for 2/3's of the population.

[Blake]

The 3rd fattest city in the nation should focus on getting the people of the city to eat healthier instead of worrying about smoke in bars.

Most of us don't really care what other people do to themselves. They just need to keep it to themselves.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Going into a bar and coming out stinking like smoke is part of going to a bar. A smokeless bar is for pussies and anyone bitching about smoke in a bar is a bigger pussy.

[ididnotnothat]

Yeah because it's the govt.'s duty to get the population in shape and parent them. This is fucking stupid. Let the companies decide if they want to have smoking or not. They are the ones who will make or lose business. Places like Maggies shouldn't have to go to business because of a few community college socialists with law degrees. It is absolutely ridiculous how the Northside only has three districts but account for 2/3's of the population.

Good food, drink and a good time and service will trump a smoking ban every time. Maggie's just couldn't rise to that level.

[Blake]

Yeah because it's the govt.'s duty to get the population in shape and parent them. This is fucking stupid. Let the companies decide if they want to have smoking or not. They are the ones who will make or lose business. Places like Maggies shouldn't have to go to business because of a few community college socialists with law degrees. It is absolutely ridiculous how the Northside only has three districts but account for 2/3's of the population.

Actually, the city as a whole has lost business because we were behind schedule on the smoking ban.

[ididnotnothat]

Going into a bar and coming out stinking like smoke is part of going to a bar. A smokeless bar is for pussies and anyone bitching about smoke in a bar is a bigger pussy.

I'm much rather come out without a woman than smelling like smoke.

[Latarian Milton]

I wonder when there would be some sex ban somewhere. that would surely be a paradise for us celibates tbh.

[Blake]

Going into a bar and coming out stinking like smoke is part of going to a bar.

Not any more.


A smokeless bar is for pussies and anyone bitching about smoke in a bar is a bigger pussy.

I look at smokers and think how stupid they are for trying not to be a pussy.

[spursncowboys]

Actually, the city as a whole has lost business because we were behind schedule on the smoking ban.
wtf that doesn't even make sense. What example do you have that that ever happened?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Why not just ban drinking also? People get drunk and get into fights and drive. It effects other people just like smoking.

[silverblk mystix]

as usual, San Antonio...years....or decades BEHIND the rest of the country...

in a few years you will look back and see that this was a good thing and wonder why it wasn't done earlier...

you will be able to go to a club, still have a great time, step outside--or go to your car to have a smoke...and then continue your night...

you will get home and NOT stink up your closet with smelly nasty clothes...


get with the times

[spursncowboys]

Good food, drink and a good time and service will trump a smoking ban every time. Maggie's just couldn't rise to that level.
Because it had nothing to do with their bar being in the middle and they would have to completely rebuild to make it accessible. If people do not want smoke then they shouldn't go to restaurants that have smoking. Companies would have changed it if they wanted their business. Don't get me wrong, I don't think someone should have to smell cig if they dont want to, ie stadiums, sidewalks, parks, etc. However restaurants are different because people have the choice to go somewhere else. Anyways I don't live in SA anymore so it's not a problem for me, but I remember when they first did it and how stupid I thought it was then. I knew it was just the beginning.

[spursncowboys]

as usual, San Antonio...years....or decades BEHIND the rest of the country...

in a few years you will look back and see that this was a good thing and wonder why it wasn't done earlier...

you will be able to go to a club, still have a great time, step outside--or go to your car to have a smoke...and then continue your night...

you will get home and NOT stink up your closet with smelly nasty clothes...


get with the timesThe enlightened progressive everyone.

[thispego]

Wish they would do this is lubbock. take your disgusting habit outside away from people who care about their health and air quality.

[Blake]

wtf that doesn't even make sense. What example do you have that that ever happened?

wtf why am I not surprised you don't understand?

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/PowerPointAug19Agenda.pdf.pdf

page 6

[Blake]

Why not just ban drinking also? People get drunk and get into fights and drive. It effects other people just like smoking.

Drinking directly effects just one person. Fighting and bad driving are indirect effects that can happen with or without alcohol.

Secondhand smoke is a direct effect to the bystander.

[Blake]

Because it had nothing to do with their bar being in the middle and they would have to completely rebuild to make it accessible.

what does the bar being in the middle of the restaurant have to do with smoking? that makes no sense.


If people do not want smoke then they shouldn't go to restaurants that have smoking. Companies would have changed it if they wanted their business. Don't get me wrong, I don't think someone should have to smell cig if they dont want to, ie stadiums, sidewalks, parks, etc. However restaurants are different because people have the choice to go somewhere else.

So you are against smoke in outdoor areas but for smoke in indoor areas?

:lmao

[Nathan Explosion]

as usual, San Antonio...years....or decades BEHIND the rest of the country...

in a few years you will look back and see that this was a good thing and wonder why it wasn't done earlier...

you will be able to go to a club, still have a great time, step outside--or go to your car to have a smoke...and then continue your night...

you will get home and NOT stink up your closet with smelly nasty clothes...


get with the times

If you go to a bar, you should expect smoke. I'm not a smoker, but I really think it's dumb that people go to bars and then complain about smoking. Smokers could go outside and smoke, or the non-smokers can go outside and drink.

If you want to ban smoking in restaurants then fine, but leave the smoking ban out of the bars.

[BlackSwordsMan]

good woman who smoke are gross

[Bartender]

If you go to a bar, you should expect smoke. I'm not a smoker, but I really think it's dumb that people go to bars and then complain about smoking. Smokers could go outside and smoke, or the non-smokers can go outside and drink.

If you want to ban smoking in restaurants then fine, but leave the smoking ban out of the bars.

I can't stand a woman who smokes. I make just as much in tips at smokeless bars as I do at others and there are always more women in smokeless bars.

[MannyIsGod]

Actually, the city as a whole has lost business because we were behind schedule on the smoking ban.

Proof?

[Blake]

If you go to a bar, you should expect smoke. I'm not a smoker, but I really think it's dumb that people go to bars and then complain about smoking. Smokers could go outside and smoke, or the non-smokers can go outside and drink.

If you want to ban smoking in restaurants then fine, but leave the smoking ban out of the bars.

I'm sure there were people that used to say "it's dumb that people go to work and then complain about smoking."

[Höfner]

Going into a bar and coming out stinking like smoke is part of going to a bar. A smokeless bar is for pussies and anyone bitching about smoke in a bar is a bigger pussy.

This man gets it!!

[Blake]

Proof?

Post #19. The city has lost 'potential' business.

[Cane]

Hopefully the hookah cafes will survive :hat

[spursncowboys]

Post #19. The city has lost 'potential' business.

He posted a SAWS study that stated they had lost 30 conferences because they ranked low on the smoke ban city list. I can't find where they got that from but I didn't spend alot of time looking.

[Nathan Explosion]

I'm sure there were people that used to say "it's dumb that people go to work and then complain about smoking."

If you don't like smoke, don't work in a bar. Is that so hard? There are some jobs I'd rather not do, so I didn't apply for them when I was looking.

It's stupid for people to say, "Why do the employees have to suffer?" If they didn't want to deal with it, then they probably should be applying for these jobs in the first place.

[Bender]

coming soon to your own yard, and inside your home...

[Nathan Explosion]

Again, I'm not a smoker, and tend to lean to the left politically, but this is just stupid. People make decisions and then complain that other people need to fix it.

I don't mind smoking, but I'd rather not work in an environment that permits smoking in an enclosed area because of my kids. So what do I do to avoid the situation? I DON'T WORK IN A PLACE THAT ALLOWS SMOKING INDOORS.

The link provided stated that only about 10% of restaurants and bars are allowed smoking indoors. Are you telling me that the employees who complain of such places can't find a job in the other 90% of businesses in the same field? Please.

As for the 30 organizations that won't come to San Antonio, how about providing a list. Are the organizations large or small? How many members belong to these orgs? How often do they hold conventions? What is the economic impact of a convention being held by these orgs?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[leemajors]

Going into a bar and coming out stinking like smoke is part of going to a bar. A smokeless bar is for pussies and anyone bitching about smoke in a bar is a bigger pussy.

Going into a bar and coming out drunk is part of going to a bar, the smoke was incidental and not really a part of going to a bar now. Do you even go to them anymore?

[Trainwreck2100]

i know what thread i'll be bumping in a year, hint not this one

[RoddyBukkake]

Smoking has been banned in Dallas for like 2 years now. Every bar and club I go to everyone just stands outside talking to their friends who smoke all night breathing in 2nd hand smoke anyways.

[dirk4mvp]

Where's Buddy Holly when you need him to make an appearance? :wakeup

[Blake]

He posted a SAWS study that stated they had lost 30 conferences because they ranked low on the smoke ban city list. I can't find where they got that from but I didn't spend alot of time looking.

I posted a San Antonio Water System study?

You didn't spend a lot of time reading.

Par for the course.

[Shelly]

If people do not want smoke then they shouldn't go to restaurants that have smoking.

I haven't been in any restaurant in YEARS that allows smoking anymore. They don't even aski if you want to sit in smoking or non smoking.

[spursncowboys]

shelly: isn't that because the ban? I honestly think that most places would have chose to ban smoking. i just have a problem with the city counsel make these blanket rules on grown adults. if it's because of the smoke, then they could have made it where there were proper ventilation systems or air purifying machines.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The conventions that won't come are likely groups like the AMA, groups in the life/bio sciences field, etc.

You don't need a list to figure that out.

It still irritates me that "health and safety" is always trotted out and you never hear a peep from OSHA about this. Either that's their job or there is no need to have them around any more.

[MannyIsGod]

Post #19. The city has lost 'potential' business.

Thats hardly proof. Thats the agenda of a city council which names no company.

Also, it gives no mention to business affected by the adverse situation so it doesn't address a net loss or gain of business.

[MannyIsGod]

Personally I hate these laws. I love being able to go to a bar and not come home smelling like smoke here in Santa Fe but I would change the law if I could. Its a pure case of the majority not wanting to allow a disgusting habit to intrude on their enjoyment.

On the surface people are like exactly and think thats a good thing but you should not be able to change a private business practices simply because you don't want to smell like smoke.

Everyone has a choice on whether or not to visit these businesses that allow smoking. Exercise that choice instead of passing these laws that simply affect a business owners rights. You're not forced to visit places that allow smoking. Shelly is a great example of that in this thread. She doesn't like the smoking, she doesn't visit those places. Problem solved.

[Shelly]

shelly: isn't that because the ban? I honestly think that most places would have chose to ban smoking. i just have a problem with the city counsel make these blanket rules on grown adults. if it's because of the smoke, then they could have made it where there were proper ventilation systems or air purifying machines.

Has there been a smoking ban in restaurants here all this time?


It eliminates exemptions that have allowed lighting up in bars, pool and bingo halls, comedy clubs and restaurants with enclosed smoking areas.

The above sounds like there wasn't a ban, but I don't know. I haven't been in any restaurant that had a smoking section

[Fabbs]

coming soon to your own yard, and inside your home...
Who and what?
Tobacco company product addicts forcing their second hand shit upon private residences? Already done in many apartment and condo places with patios in close proximity....

Tobacco addicts should be forced into some enclosed area.
Not allowed to infring upon the rights of others to untainted air.

[Fabbs]

Everyone has a choice on whether or not to visit these businesses that allow smoking. Exercise that choice instead of passing these laws that simply affect a business owners rights. You're not forced to visit places that allow smoking. Shelly is a great example of that in this thread. She doesn't like the smoking, she doesn't visit those places. Problem solved.
Great, how about when they are located right next to a non smoking place thus their second hand shit drifts over?

Also public entry places, ie courts. Tobacco company suck ups are (were?) allowed to stand in the entry ways and force their addiction on others.

[Goran Dragic]

I find it hilarious people still smoke.

[MannyIsGod]

Great, how about when they are located right next to a non smoking place thus their second hand shit drifts over?

Also public entry places, ie courts. Tobacco company suck ups are (were?) allowed to stand in the entry ways and force their addiction on others.

Fabbs what if your neighbor says that you stink and doesn't want your smell to drift over?

[ChuckD]

shelly: isn't that because the ban? I honestly think that most places would have chose to ban smoking. i just have a problem with the city counsel make these blanket rules on grown adults. if it's because of the smoke, then they could have made it where there were proper ventilation systems or air purifying machines.

Except that they didn't, even with proof that it was unhealthy. You just have a problem with authority, that's all.

[Blake]

Thats hardly proof. Thats the agenda of a city council which names no company.

huh.....so you think they are lying?

I would like to see the list of 30 myself, but when people in these types of positions put numbers like that out to the public, I usually give them the benefit of the doubt.


....But it is on the radar for the American Heart Association, the American Medical Association and about two dozen other national groups that won't consider cities that aren't smoke-free as convention sites. The AHA alone draws an estimated 30,000 people to its conventions.....

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/columnists/veronica_flores_paniagua/market_forces_alone_wont_make_city_smoke-free_94800354.html

[ChuckD]

Personally I hate these laws. I love being able to go to a bar and not come home smelling like smoke here in Santa Fe but I would change the law if I could. Its a pure case of the majority not wanting to allow a disgusting habit to intrude on their enjoyment.

On the surface people are like exactly and think thats a good thing but you should not be able to change a private business practices simply because you don't want to smell like smoke.

Everyone has a choice on whether or not to visit these businesses that allow smoking. Exercise that choice instead of passing these laws that simply affect a business owners rights. You're not forced to visit places that allow smoking. Shelly is a great example of that in this thread. She doesn't like the smoking, she doesn't visit those places. Problem solved.

Private business practices are changed all the time when they are unsound or unhealthy.

These guys could have just gone to some establishment that served "their kind", couldn't they?
http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/6-legacy/images/sit-in.jpg

[JudynTX]

Oh well. I'll think of it as us saving money by not going out as much. :tu

[Blake]

I haven't been in any restaurant in YEARS that allows smoking anymore. They don't even aski if you want to sit in smoking or non smoking.

Buffalo Wild Wings has an enclosed smoking section around the bar area.

What's great about the one on DeZavala is that the restroom is next to it and the smoke hits you in the face as you walk to it.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Michigan passed a similar law that went into effect this past May. And as a smoker I hate it. I'm not too bothered by not being able to smoke at restaurants, but I haven't been to any type of bar since the passing of the law. Same with alot of others. I keep hearing stories on local radio about bar owners losing patrons and money. Establishments that used to have a healthy amount of business are now facing the prospect of soon having to close.

I think it's absurd that the owner of an establishment can't decide for himself if he wants his bar to allow smoking.

With the economy as bad as it is (especially here in Michigan) you'd think the states/cities wouldn't push through policies that end up hurting more people.

And if the end game is to eventually get people to quit smoking, are the non smokers going to embrace the tax increases? I don't think people realize how much $$ comes into states from the taxes on a pack of cigarettes.

[MannyIsGod]

Blake I tend to be very very very distrustful of San Antonio's city council. I just hate the vast majority of shit they do.

A convention generally does bring business to a city but my point is that if we're arguing the smoking ban will bring conventions in order to add business we also have to factor in how much business it also costs before you can argue its a net gain.

I think the fact they spared the Riverwalk blows a huge hole in all of their arguments.

[MannyIsGod]

Private business practices are changed all the time when they are unsound or unhealthy.

These guys could have just gone to some establishment that served "their kind", couldn't they?
http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/6-legacy/images/sit-in.jpg

Sure. The difference being the constitution doesn't seem to mention anything about smoking.

[Blake]

Personally I hate these laws. I love being able to go to a bar and not come home smelling like smoke here in Santa Fe but I would change the law if I could. Its a pure case of the majority not wanting to allow a disgusting habit to intrude on their enjoyment.

On the surface people are like exactly and think thats a good thing but you should not be able to change a private business practices simply because you don't want to smell like smoke.

Everyone has a choice on whether or not to visit these businesses that allow smoking. Exercise that choice instead of passing these laws that simply affect a business owners rights. You're not forced to visit places that allow smoking. Shelly is a great example of that in this thread. She doesn't like the smoking, she doesn't visit those places. Problem solved.

The surgeon general has determined that there is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke.
If this is true, it's not much different than slapping someone in the face and telling them if they don't like it to go to a non-slapping bar.

You are also assuming that there will be other places to visit that won't allow smoking.

[Blake]

Blake I tend to be very very very distrustful of San Antonio's city council. I just hate the vast majority of shit they do.

What would be the alterior motive behind City Council voting in favor of the smoking ban? I might be distrustful if they constanly vote unanimously on the great majority of important issues.

I would more leary of why Chan from Dist 9 and Clamp from Dist 10, whose constituents are all northsiders, voted against it.


A convention generally does bring business to a city but my point is that if we're arguing the smoking ban will bring conventions in order to add business we also have to factor in how much business it also costs before you can argue its a net gain.

I've read my share of economic impact studies regarding smoking bans in cities across the state and country and I have found no impact myself.

Let me know if you want me to share my findings.


I think the fact they spared the Riverwalk blows a huge hole in all of their arguments.

I agree, and I agree with what Chan said in that if it really is a health risk, then don't compromise, make it a complete city wide ban on smoking.........(even though she voted against it)..

Castro's rebuttal is that this is necessary compromise in order to take that next step forward. For now, I'm ok with that over nothing, but the Riverwalk thing makes no sense to me.

[ChuckD]

Sure. The difference being the constitution doesn't seem to mention anything about smoking.

No, it doesn't, does it? :)

[romad_20]

good woman who smoke are gross

No way! If she smokes, she pokes. This is a well known fact. :lol

I dont' smoke cigarettes anymore but I always felt like smoking was part of the bar experience. I'm sad to see it gone, although in Austin there are still some places that you can go that has separate enclosed smoking sections.

[Blake]

Michigan passed a similar law that went into effect this past May. And as a smoker I hate it. I'm not too bothered by not being able to smoke at restaurants, but I haven't been to any type of bar since the passing of the law. Same with alot of others. I keep hearing stories on local radio about bar owners losing patrons and money. Establishments that used to have a healthy amount of business are now facing the prospect of soon having to close.

I think it's absurd that the owner of an establishment can't decide for himself if he wants his bar to allow smoking.

With the economy as bad as it is (especially here in Michigan) you'd think the states/cities wouldn't push through policies that end up hurting more people.

And if the end game is to eventually get people to quit smoking, are the non smokers going to embrace the tax increases? I don't think people realize how much $$ comes into states from the taxes on a pack of cigarettes.

The Michigan economy is bad for a lot of different reasons.

You'd have to really press hard to prove that establishments are closing specifically due to the smoking ban.

[polandprzem]

Fuck economy


They should ban smoking everywhere.

Wherever I go there is smoke frickin shit

[DarkReign]

If non-smoking was so cool, youd think you would have seen non-smoking bars, right?

amiright?

Oh, that never happened. Because until it was enforced thorugh law, a non-smoking bar would sit empty except for a few metrosexuals.

Pussies. All of you. Enjoy your utopia, your government wont be able to afford your pussy-ass lifestyle much longer anyway.

[DarkReign]

The Michigan economy is bad for a lot of different reasons.

You'd have to really press hard to prove that establishments are closing specifically due to the smoking ban.

No, you wouldnt.

I used to go to a bar every weekend. I havent been to a bar in months. I spent, on average, $100 a night. Thats $400 dollars a month...at one bar. They dont have that anymore and I realized hanging out with metrosexual faggots wasnt cool anyway.

Piss on government telling private property what they can and cant do.

Im out, enjoy arguing with a hater.

[marini martini]

They better have this song on the juke box, the day I step foot in to a non smoking bar::toast

Ef3cLW7XLvs

[Cane]

No, you wouldnt.

I used to go to a bar every weekend. I havent been to a bar in months. I spent, on average, $100 a night. Thats $400 dollars a month...at one bar. They dont have that anymore and I realized hanging out with metrosexual faggots wasnt cool anyway.

Piss on government telling private property what they can and cant do.

Im out, enjoy arguing with a hater.

Doesn't affect private clubs according to the OP or some of the most visited areas in San Antonio.

[marini martini]

Doesn't affect private clubs according to the OP or some of the most visited areas in San Antonio.

PTL for Beer Joints & Cigar Bars!!!:hat

[polandprzem]

If non-smoking was so cool, youd think you would have seen non-smoking bars, right?

amiright?

Oh, that never happened. Because until it was enforced thorugh law, a non-smoking bar would sit empty except for a few metrosexuals.

Pussies. All of you. Enjoy your utopia, your government wont be able to afford your pussy-ass lifestyle much longer anyway.

:lmao

smoking is being tough :lol

[Cane]

Smoking is actually being retarded but thats the beauty of this country, if you want to be chemically addicted to corporations ---- have a blast :)

[thispego]

:lmao :lmao people who smoke cigarettes are so addicted that they won't even go to their favorite bars anymore cause they can't satiate their addiction inside? :lol These new no-smoking laws are doing you a favor, people!

It's like a mother telling her child not to do something because it is dangerous or bad for them and the child throwing a hissy-fit over it :lol

[leemajors]

shelly: isn't that because the ban? I honestly think that most places would have chose to ban smoking. i just have a problem with the city counsel make these blanket rules on grown adults. if it's because of the smoke, then they could have made it where there were proper ventilation systems or air purifying machines.

I know in Austin you can do this, but the room has to be closed off with a ventilation and purification system. Trudy's North Star is like this, but it's pretty damn expensive to do.

[leemajors]

If non-smoking was so cool, youd think you would have seen non-smoking bars, right?

amiright?

Oh, that never happened. Because until it was enforced thorugh law, a non-smoking bar would sit empty except for a few metrosexuals.

Pussies. All of you. Enjoy your utopia, your government wont be able to afford your pussy-ass lifestyle much longer anyway.

Do you smoke in your house?

[Ignignokt]

Private business practices are changed all the time when they are unsound or unhealthy.

These guys could have just gone to some establishment that served "their kind", couldn't they?
http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/6-legacy/images/sit-in.jpg

Instead, they marched peacefully to achieve the physical coercion of Govt to force these buisinesses into submission into placating them.

Racism is morally wrong, but this was not the proper way to do it.

If someone wants to not serve me because i'm mexican, then fuck it. I'm boycotting them and asking like minded individuals to do the same.

One of the great measures of the civil rights era was to boycott. I think this was a noble concept and was a just one.

The Civil Rights Era rested their success on Govt coercion and abandoned their mission to change the hearts of americans and establishing a colorblind society. That's why they still exists. They coerced the public by force and are now fighting a different beasts.

Meanwhile they aligned themselves with other interests groups whose sole purpose was to make a whole political class dependent upon them.

Sure they got the right to eat at Wendy's and Denny's, yippee. But in those sections of america with past segregation, there's just as much animosity. They created a whole new burden to deal with.

Now their society is dealing with unwed and fatherless family units for which their allegiences created and fostered the environment for that to exist.

[Ignignokt]

marching peacefully to apply force is an oxymoron.

[Ignignokt]

I don't see a difference between Jerry Falwell and the statist anti smoking pushers here.

Both of them want to alter your lifestyle through the state.

[Fabbs]

Fabbs what if your neighbor says that you stink and doesn't want your smell to drift over?
She'd obviously be coming onto me. Again.

[Fabbs]

:lmao

smoking is being tough :lol
and manly.
http://www.cigarro.med.br/propaganda_aviso_fumar_causa_impotencia.jpg

[Shelly]

Buffalo Wild Wings has an enclosed smoking section around the bar area.

What's great about the one on DeZavala is that the restroom is next to it and the smoke hits you in the face as you walk to it.

Smoke AND bathroom stench--what a combo! :lol

[El Chorizo]

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1007/flash-forward-to-2010-cigarette-woman-dentist-2010-ad-demotivational-poster-1280537017.jpg

[El Chorizo]

If non-smoking was so cool, youd think you would have seen non-smoking bars, right?

amiright?

Oh, that never happened. Because until it was enforced thorugh law, a non-smoking bar would sit empty except for a few metrosexuals.

Pussies. All of you. Enjoy your utopia, your government wont be able to afford your pussy-ass lifestyle much longer anyway.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1004/chillin-out-cigarettes-and-coff-coff-coughy-demotivational-poster-1272340408.jpg

[spursncowboys]

Smoking is actually being retarded but thats the beauty of this country, if you want to be chemically addicted to corporations ---- have a blast :)
I agree but bet you have a corporate logo viable on your shoes.

[ploto]

I have honestly only been in a bar or a club maybe 10 times in my entire life because I can not stand the smoke. I'll go to a restaurant that has a bar area instead, so it will nice to have the option.

It is funny how quickly you get used to no smoke. I am never around anyone who smokes; my workplace is smoke free on the entire property. So, now it bothers me even worse.

[Blake]

No, you wouldnt.

I used to go to a bar every weekend. I havent been to a bar in months. I spent, on average, $100 a night. Thats $400 dollars a month...at one bar. They dont have that anymore and I realized hanging out with metrosexual faggots wasnt cool anyway.


So the place filled up with metrosexual faggots after you stopped going.....

thanks for confirming how hard pressed you would be to prove that smoking bans have directly caused bars to close down.

[Blake]

If someone wants to not serve me because i'm mexican, then fuck it. I'm boycotting them and asking like minded individuals to do the same.

If someone wants to kick you out of school because you're mexican, then fuck it. Boycott the school.


Sure they got the right to eat at Wendy's and Denny's, yippee. But in those sections of america with past segregation, there's just as much animosity. They created a whole new burden to deal with.

Now their society is dealing with unwed and fatherless family units for which their allegiences created and fostered the environment for that to exist.

All because they aligned themselves with other interest groups just to be able to eat at Dennys?

What a bunch of bull shit. :lol

[Blake]

I agree but bet you have a corporate logo viable on your shoes.

so you think he's chemically addicted to a shoe corporation?

[Ignignokt]

If someone wants to kick you out of school because you're mexican, then fuck it. Boycott the school.



All because they aligned themselves with other interest groups just to be able to eat at Dennys?

What a bunch of bull shit. :lol

If it's private, who cares.

Other wise if it's public, then that's bullshit. They couldn't do that if my parents were paying property taxes. They would get sued.

I don't think we should have public schooling anyway.

[phyzik]

I'm a smoker and I support the ban. I used to hate it when I went to Austin to party.... but then I realized I didnt smoke as much when I had to step outside in the cold/heat to fuel my habit.

Until its in effect though I will still smoke inside.

Once its in effect, hopefully it puts even more pressure on me to quit.

$7 for a pack just doesnt seem to be enough to make me quit yet, even though it fucking should! :lol

I think for me, the money just isnt that big of a deal.... take away the ability to smoke at all, and that might do something for me.

[PuttPutt]

The ban is not a big deal. We have a very strong ban on it here in WA state. You cannot be within 25ft of the doorways of the establishments. It's kind of nice not stinking of smoke. People were having fits about the ban at first & well they got over it. If you want to smoke, go outside. Most places set up nice little areas for the smokers. But our ban is not just limited to bars. It is all public buildings.

[phyzik]

The ban is not a big deal. We have a very strong ban on it here in WA state. You cannot be within 25ft of the doorways of the establishments. It's kind of nice not stinking of smoke. People were having fits about the ban at first & well they got over it. If you want to smoke, go outside. Most places set up nice little areas for the smokers. But our ban is not just limited to bars. It is all public buildings.

Yeah, like I said, I dont mind the ban at all.... Hell, I go outside to smoke in my own house because I dont like the smell when I wake up in the morning.

Im a smoker but I just cant bring myself to have a cigarette until later in the day, most of the time I dont have a cigarette until I've had a beer and thats usually around 5 or 6 pm. I think smoking in the morning is just gross, I feel like shit if I do it.

[txallstar]

ask yourself this do you smoke inside the house - especially if you have a family or better yet do you want your kids to smoke or would you smoke in their bedroom while reading to them or hanging out; if they asked you to quit would you call your family a bunch of pussies.... wow just saying

yeah every one who doesn't smoke is a pussy or pussy metrosexual.. what a dumb shit

you can say if we don't the smoke don't go to the bar, well if you don't like the ban don't go to the bar stay your bitch ass at home and cry in your pillow... most of us who don't smoke hate it and complain but still went to the bar or club any way and so will the smokers you may hate it but you need a place to drink and hang out so you will go any way...

second hand smoke does affect others, ive seen what it does and had family members who got emphysema from 2nd hand smoke.

[Ignignokt]

I think he said whoever whines about smoking at a bar is a pussy or metrosexual.

Can't argue with that.

[phyzik]

ask yourself this do you smoke inside the house - especially if you have a family or better yet do you want your kids to smoke or would you smoke in their bedroom while reading to them or hanging out; if they asked you to quit would you call your family a bunch of pussies.... wow just saying

yeah every one who doesn't smoke is a pussy or pussy metrosexual.. what a dumb shit

you can say if we don't the smoke don't go to the bar, well if you don't like the ban don't go to the bar stay your bitch ass at home and cry in your pillow... most of us who don't smoke hate it and complain but still went to the bar or club any way and so will the smokers you may hate it but you need a place to drink and hang out so you will go any way...

second hand smoke does affect others, ive seen what it does and had family members who got emphysema from 2nd hand smoke.

Read my previous post.

I support the ban, I know alot of smokers who also support the ban. We are not all assholes blowing smoke in your face for the fun of it.

I know who you are responding to, and it was not me, but dont throw all of us smokers in that pile. I try to be as considerate as I can when smoking, but you have to look at the other side of it.

I've had COUNTLESS times where I'm standing outside minding my own business, around the corner of the building away from any entrance and had self rightious assholes come up to me and tell me "thats bad for your health!"

Like Im some fucking idiot who doesnt realize its bad for me...

You know what my response is?

"So is not minding your own fucking business!"

Hell, Here's a GREAT story.... back when there where smoking area's for resturants me and a buddy sat WAY back in the corner of the smoking section of a resturant so we wouldnt bother anyone. There where a SHIT load of tables open in the non-smoking section but these 2 bitches wanted a window seat with thier baby in a stroller. They got seated right next to us.... IN THE SMOKING SECTION.... and had the fucking NERVE to ask me to put my cigarette out.

THATS what pisses me off about this ban.... The self-rightious assholes are going to be coming out of the woodworks now.

Get off your high horse.

[Höfner]

hold on hold on.. a large piece of this country's economy was primarily founded upo tobacoo exports. smoking has dabngerous effects on others, sure, but in a bar? its always, always, always been allowed, since the beginning of colonizatiion in america. we are outlawing one of americans' original pastimes - drinking and smoking.

[phyzik]

hold on hold on.. a large piece of this country's economy was primarily founded upo tobacoo exports. smoking has dabngerous effects on others, sure, but in a bar? its always, always, always been allowed, since the beginning of colonizatiion in america. we are outlawing one of americans' original pastimes - drinking and smoking.

Times change.....

Hopefully Time will effect the preception of Marijuana as well. :hat

[Höfner]

Times change.....

Hopefully Time will effect the preception of Marijuana as well. :hat

If We lived in a more perfect world, tabacoo and alcohol would be illegal and marijuana would be the dominant drug, not alcohol.

[phyzik]

Not to derail the subject, and this is not targeted to anyone in particular, but law enforcement needs to start HEAVILY enforcing the law of impeding traffic. GET YOUR ASS OUT OF THE MOTHERFUCKING LEFT LANES IF YOUR GOING TO DRIVE 5MPH SLOWER THAN THE FUCKING SPEED LIMIT YOU COCK SUCKING ASSHOLES!!!

THIS would be a WORTHY expense of our tax dollars.... start ticketing THESE assholes.

I cant count the times I've driven down Fredricksburg, and any number of other streets that have a posted 40-45mph speed limit, and Im driving 30-35mph because of the dick fungus eaters that are in front of me... :bang

[Höfner]

^^ welcome to america. i honestly honk my horn loudly for long operiods of time at peopple driving <65MPH in the fastlane. or i pass them up then slow down and force them to get out of the left lane.

[phyzik]

^^ welcome to america. i honestly honk my horn loudly for long operiods of time at peopple driving <65MPH in the fastlane. or i pass them up then slow down and force them to get out of the left lane.

Sometimes I wish I had one of these mounted on my car.... DAMN those motherfuckers!!!!!

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/deg/campfire/images/1976CougarXR7Tank.jpg

I know its photoshopped.... but I can dream, right? And yes, I know that some SUV's have them.... but I want one or two on MY car!!! :lol

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/3172000-3172999/3172090_1_full.jpg

2 mini-guns on my whip would look sweet!!! :hat

Thats not a picture of my actual car, I do own a G8 GT though.

[JoeChalupa]

My neighbor is always standing outside her own home smoking. Banning smoking is always going to piss somebody off. I've got no problem with it. The wife and I went to Houlihan's last weekend for some drinks and I believe there is no smoking and it was packed.

[txallstar]

Read my previous post.

I support the ban, I know alot of smokers who also support the ban. We are not all assholes blowing smoke in your face for the fun of it.

I know who you are responding to, and it was not me, but dont throw all of us smokers in that pile. I try to be as considerate as I can when smoking, but you have to look at the other side of it.

I've had COUNTLESS times where I'm standing outside minding my own business, around the corner of the building away from any entrance and had self rightious assholes come up to me and tell me "thats bad for your health!"

Like Im some fucking idiot who doesnt realize its bad for me...

You know what my response is?

"So is not minding your own fucking business!"

Hell, Here's a GREAT story.... back when there where smoking area's for resturants me and a buddy sat WAY back in the corner of the smoking section of a resturant so we wouldnt bother anyone. There where a SHIT load of tables open in the non-smoking section but these 2 bitches wanted a window seat with thier baby in a stroller. They got seated right next to us.... IN THE SMOKING SECTION.... and had the fucking NERVE to ask me to put my cigarette out.

THATS what pisses me off about this ban.... The self-rightious assholes are going to be coming out of the woodworks now.

Get off your high horse.

I'm not on some high horse, I don't care if you smoke and I'm not going go up to you and you it's bad for your health, the point was that it does affect non-smokers in the long run - i'm going with the flipside of the comment; calling the complainers of smoking pussies when complaining about the ban and the complainers is that same shit and just pose the question if your family or kids complained to you or asked you to quit - would you call them pussies
(you in the general sense; not you specificly)

banning it for the sole reason to say it's a nasty habit is not a valid point - you can ban a shit load of stuff for that reason


and i bet money that most smokers and possibly bar owners will say i don't want my kids to smoke or i don't smoke inside the house... and you can ask them why and it will be for the same reasons (or along those lines) of why smoking bans are passsed

[SpursWoman]

Not to derail the subject, and this is not targeted to anyone in particular, but law enforcement needs to start HEAVILY enforcing the law of impeding traffic. GET YOUR ASS OUT OF THE MOTHERFUCKING LEFT LANES IF YOUR GOING TO DRIVE 5MPH SLOWER THAN THE FUCKING SPEED LIMIT YOU COCK SUCKING ASSHOLES!!!

This is Wurzbach Parkway in the mornings. Y'all will read about me in the paper one day, I promise you. :makemyday

[SpursWoman]

Since I quit smoking I'm still very sensitive around smoke and it makes me violently nauseous, it's not even a matter of whether or not I want to smell like that, it's a matter of having to vomit.

I really don't give a shit about the bars and clubs anymore because I really don't care to go there. But I did love to go to Retama Park, and there is no where to escape it ... inside or out. So, I have to avoid going there, too. :(

[Spurminator]

If there's so much demand for non-smoking bars I don't understand why more bars didn't ban smoking on their own.

In practice it hasn't been that big of a deal in Dallas. But in principle it's wrong. It's less of an imposition on bar/restaurant customers than it is on owners, who should be able to open a place of business that allows smoking if they choose to, at least while smoking is still legal.

[Blake]

hold on hold on.. a large piece of this country's economy was primarily founded upo tobacoo exports. smoking has dabngerous effects on others, sure, but in a bar? its always, always, always been allowed, since the beginning of colonizatiion in america. we are outlawing one of americans' original pastimes - drinking and smoking.

it was always, always, always allowed in bowling alleys, restaurants and the work place. I don't hear anyone complaining about not being able to smoke at work any more.

And nobody is outlawing drinking and smoking.

[Blake]

If there's so much demand for non-smoking bars I don't understand why more bars didn't ban smoking on their own.

In practice it hasn't been that big of a deal in Dallas. But in principle it's wrong. It's less of an imposition on bar/restaurant customers than it is on owners, who should be able to open a place of business that allows smoking if they choose to, at least while smoking is still legal.

how harmful do you think 2nd hand smoke is?

[Blake]

I really don't give a shit about the bars and clubs anymore because I really don't care to go there. But I did love to go to Retama Park, and there is no where to escape it ... inside or out. So, I have to avoid going there, too. :(

If there's such a demand for non-smoking racetracks then you need to build your own.

[mrsmaalox]

I've never been a smoker, but it doesn't bother me. I've never been any public place where I couldn't avoid smoke by taking a step or 2 in another direction. I remember when you could be sat in a restaurant next to a chain smoker, and I can't recall that being an issue with me.
But what drives me absolutely CRAZY is how my kids have been indoctrinated by the schools against it. If they, God forbid, catch a whiff of a cigarette from 20 feet away, I am subjected to all sorts of drama and bitching about "that disgusting habit", "inconsiderate people", "oh my God, I'm dying!", etc. If smoking bans can end that for me, then :tu

[Bender]

2nd hand cig smoke is not as bad as walking down a city sidewalk and breathing in the exhaust of hundreds of vehicles driving by.

[Fabbs]

HOOKING YOUTH A 1969 report from Philip Morris explains their hook for youth: “Smoking for the beginner is a symbolic act…I am no longer my mother’s child, I’m tough, I am an adventurer…As the force from the psychological symbolism subsides, the pharmacological effect takes over to sustain the habit.”
http://www.maricopa.gov/Public_Health/Community/images/mary_reily.jpg

[DesignatedT]

Banning smoking in bars is retarded. Should be up to the bar owner whether or not he allows smoking or not. People who don't smoke can find places to go that don't allow it and vice versa. Of course restaurants are different. Banning smoking in all places that serve food makes sense to me.

[Blake]

2nd hand cig smoke is not as bad as walking down a city sidewalk and breathing in the exhaust of hundreds of vehicles driving by.

Getting rid of both would be a good thing.

[Blake]

Banning smoking in bars is retarded. Should be up to the bar owner whether or not he allows smoking or not. People who don't smoke can find places to go that don't allow it and vice versa. Of course restaurants are different. Banning smoking in all places that serve food makes sense to me.

Banning smoking in a place that serves food makes sense to you.

Banning smoking in a place that serves drinks is retarded to you.


:tu


If that's your argument, why can't people just go find a restaurant that doesn't allow smoking?

[tlongII]

Smoking in bars has been banned for a couple of years here now. Best law ever. Bars are far more enjoyable.

[Spurminator]

how harmful do you think 2nd hand smoke is?

If second hand smoke is harmful enough to do real damage to non-smokers in the amount of time it takes to enter a bar or restaurant, discover that it allows smoking, and leave... then smoking should be banned altogether.

[Blake]

If second hand smoke is harmful enough to do real damage to non-smokers in the amount of time it takes to enter a bar or restaurant, discover that it allows smoking, and leave... then smoking should be banned altogether.

it only took you until page 5 to get it. :tu

[Spurminator]

Should I interpret from your smug condescension that you feel smoking should be banned completely?

[EricB]

I don't smoke, don't like it. I love however the occasional cigar. Its not about smoking convenience and where to go for me. Its the fact that government overreaches its boundaries and involves and pushes itself into the lives of people where it shouldn't be. Govt has no place in forcing business into something that will effect their business.
For you fools that think "Well its just for business itll stop there" Yeah because GOVT has NO precedence what so ever of then saying well, we banned it here it now needs to be banned here. Are you now OK with people in their own homes not being allowed to smoke? People on a street? Cause thats where its going. If you don't think it is your just as foolish as thinking "well, the govt just wants to ban it here and no where else" Never. When govt is allowed a little it takes a whole crap load more.

[polandprzem]

When I will get to San Antonio and you will smoke your occasional cigar and poof in my face I will smash you completely

[Blake]

Should I interpret from your smug condescension that you feel smoking should be banned completely?

Specifically, if what the surgeon general says is true, then second hand smoke in public places should be banned completely.

I really thought I made my point clear and easy to interpret by now. I guess not.

[Blake]

Govt has no place in forcing business into something that will effect their business.

So you don't like that government forces restaurants to meet certain health guidelines?


Are you now OK with people in their own homes not being allowed to smoke?

No. People can and should be able to do whatever they want with legal and legally obtained substances in their own homes.

What instance can you think of that government tells us of what we can't do in our own homes?


People on a street?

If it's a publicly maintained street, yes.


Cause thats where its going. If you don't think it is your just as foolish as thinking "well, the govt just wants to ban it here and no where else" Never. When govt is allowed a little it takes a whole crap load more.

Give an example of how our govt was allowed a little but took a whole crap load more.

[Ignignokt]

When I will get to San Antonio and you will smoke your occasional cigar and poof in my face I will smash you completely

Don't ever come to this country you fascist euro fuck.

[Ignignokt]

No. People can and should be able to do whatever they want with legal and legally obtained substances in their own homes.

What instance can you think of that government tells us of what we can't do in our own homes?

.

What's the difference?

Your private property and your home are both yours. The govt should never force it's will on your property.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

What's the difference?

Your private property and your home are both yours. The govt should never force it's will on your property.

Especially when you want to build a place of worship.

[polandprzem]

Don't ever come to this country you fascist euro fuck.

Wow, I never fought I would scare somebody with my post

[TheSullyMonster]

I don't hear anyone complaining about not being able to smoke at work any more.


My Grandma retired the day she could no longer smoke at her desk.:lol

[koriwhat]

it's about time.

[Blake]

What's the difference?

Your private property and your home are both yours.

The context of my response was in regards to concerns that someone would not be allowed to intake whatever they want to in their own home. The government has no business telling you what you can or can't ingest, imo.

If a restaurant owner wants to light up a cigar in his establishment after he closes up for the night, if it doesn't affect patrons the next day, then no problem.

The issue is that when the doors are open to the general public, there is a responsibility that comes with that to maintain the general safety and well being of the people that walk in the door.


The govt should never force it's will on your property.

Next time you get sick at a restaurant, don't call the health dept. Just boycott it.

[phyzik]

If I ever get enough capital together, Im going to open a humadore that servers beer. Smokes all around with your choice of liqour!!!!

[Blake]

If I ever get enough capital together, Im going to open a humadore that servers beer. Smokes all around with your choice of liqour!!!!

Just like the Cigar Club off of Stone Oak Pkwy.

They even have live jazz most nights. Cool place.

[koriwhat]

Just like the Cigar Club off of Stone Oak Pkwy.

They even have live jazz most nights. Cool place.

not anymore... that room in there is now a wine tasting room i believe and the place has a different name.

[Blake]

not anymore... that room in there is now a wine tasting room i believe and the place has a different name.

aw, I hadn't heard.....that's a shame.

[Bender]

not anymore... that room in there is now a wine tasting room i believe and the place has a different name. it's called The Gatsby. I went there last month expecting the Cigar Bar...

I stayed there anyway, and I tried to order a mixed drink ... but they said they didn't have the stuff to make mixed drinks with. I ended up just having a couple of beers.