Buying an LCD TV.....

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'm thinkin of getting a Samsung 8000 series.

Has anyone here bought and had trouble with a Samsung TVs? I read awesome things in regards to the quality of the image, etc.

But A LOT of negative comments in terms of the power supply breaking within 1-2 years, capacitors blowing out, and horrible customer service. Apparently there are a shitload of consumer complaints about their TV's breaking down. How the hell is this possible yet they're considered undisputed number 1?

Does anyone have any comments or suggestions to enlighten me? I'd like to go Samsung but no way if the TV will only last 2 years.

[scott]

I've got 2 at home and 9 at the brewery. Never have had a problem with any of them. Recommend.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Awesome. Tenks brah.

[Sense]

You can't go wrong with Samsung

[eyeh8u]

samsung is number 1 in lcds for a reason, good quality good design

[METALMiKE]

Samsung :tu :tu

[Wild Cobra]

LCD or LED?

Isn't the new 8000 series now an LED TV?

Anyway, LED is probably the best you can get if you are energy conscience and wand a real nice picture.

I'd go with the Samsung. When I bought mine, it looked better than the others it was side by side. Get a Samsung BluRay player too. The "anynet" connection netween components seems nice. I don't know what other brands do though.

[ElNono]

Does Samsung offer a 120Hz LED TV yet? I keep looking at Walmart, and they have hands down the nicest picture, but they're all 60Hz...

[resistanze]

Does Samsung offer a 120Hz LED TV yet? I keep looking at Walmart, and they have hands down the nicest picture, but they're all 60Hz...

Pretty sure Samsung even offers 240 Hz LED-LCDs.

EDIT: The 8 and 9 series both offer 240 Hz : http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/tv-video/tv/led/index.idx?pagetype=subtype_p2

[ElNono]

Pretty sure Samsung even offers 240 Hz LED-LCDs.

I guess I gotta shop somewhere else then... :lol

[resistanze]

I guess I gotta shop somewhere else then... :lol

Haha, yeah Wal-Mart might be behind. I really have a hard time stepping into the place. I went there out of curiosity a month ago, and was just overwhelmed.

Frozen chicken, jujubes, care tires, sweatpants and plasma TVs all in the same place? I'm not even in love with their prices.

[Wild Cobra]

Does Samsung offer a 120Hz LED TV yet? I keep looking at Walmart, and they have hands down the nicest picture, but they're all 60Hz...
http://www.samsung.com/us/p2images/consumer/TV_LED_series_all.jpg (http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/tv-video/televisions/led-tv/index.idx?pagetype=subtype)

[Xevious]

Couldn't tell you the model #s off the top of my head, but I have a 50" Samsung DLP that I bought in 2007 and a 40" LCD from 2009 and both have given no problems. :tu

[BlairForceDejuan]

I've heard of the power supply problem on avgforums.com but have not had that problem myself on mine. It's only 3 months old though.

Don't spend the extra money to get the internet widgets. Just hook up the tv to your laptop and you are good to go. I LOVE my samsung lcd. I got a hell of a deal on my tv off amazon. Free shipping, no taxes, cheapest price on internet/brick and mortar.

Samsung needs to lay off the touch of color fluff though. That was the deciding factor in going one model down (clear toc) instead of the higher priced tv (tacky red toc).

[Cry Havoc]

240hz is overkill at this point for the difference in price.

[TDMVPDPOY]

240hz is overkill at this point for the difference in price.

240mhz is awesome if ur playin fps games...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

240hz is overkill at this point for the difference in price.

I've heard that, but don't know what to believe. Will sports and fast action movies at a 120hz still avoid that annoying ass pixellation-frame rate lag that other TV's have?

[resistanze]

Yeah as CH said, 240 Hz is overkill. Really, the biggest noticeable difference you'll see is say, comparing the smoothness of scrolling horizontal text (is which 120 Hz is sufficient). In real world use of the TV, that amounts to little.

The jump from 60 Hz to 120 Hz was good enough. You almost certainly won't notice any difference watching sports/fast action movies between 120 Hz and 240 Hz. It's definitely not worth paying a premium for.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Yeah as CH said, 240 Hz is overkill. Really, the biggest noticeable difference you'll see is say, comparing the smoothness of scrolling horizontal text (is which 120 Hz is sufficient). In real world use of the TV, that amounts to little.

The jump from 60 Hz to 120 Hz was good enough. You almost certainly won't notice any difference watching sports/fast action movies between 120 Hz and 240 Hz. It's definitely not worth paying a premium for.

like i said its good if ur playin fps games, modern warfare etc would benefit from ur fast refresh rate mhz, then again if u got a shit mouse :(

[PM5K]

My kids have a Samsung 19 in their room, and my in-laws have a 32. No problems with either. I have repaired the bad caps in a 40 inch Samsung LCD before. I was looking for the pics but couldn't find them.

So yeah the caps thing was pretty common, but probably isn't with their newer models. As far as just LCD panels go, Samsung makes some of the best, as for the rest it can obviously vary, but for the most part it seems their rep is pretty good right now.

[TDMVPDPOY]

So yeah the caps thing was pretty common, but probably isn't with their newer models. As far as just LCD panels go, Samsung makes some of the best, as for the rest it can obviously vary, but for the most part it seems their rep is pretty good right now.

it depends man, warranty and shit they are good...

but for screens, there is other competitors like the panasonic viera v20 :D or the pioneer kuros plasma :D

most of them buy each others patents and incorporate them into there top models anyway

[Wild Cobra]

240hz is overkill at this point for the difference in price.
Part of the "overkill" is the 3D capability. I'll bet the difference between most "3D" capable TV's to their regular counterpart is a firmware switch...

[Wild Cobra]

240mhz is awesome if ur playin fps games...
LOL...

You talking data rate, or frames per second?

Never seen a monitor or TV that does 240 mhz frames. HZ, yes. MHZ... No!

[MannyIsGod]

LOL...

You talking data rate, or frames per second?

Never seen a monitor or TV that does 240 mhz frames. HZ, yes. MHZ... No!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100311130906/denaruto3/de/images/1/1b/Godzilla-facepalm-godzilla-facepalm.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100311130906/denaruto3/de/images/1/1b/Godzilla-facepalm-godzilla-facepalm.jpg
OK smartypants...

Show me a 240MHZ TV.

[ElNono]

lol MHz... that's 240.000.000 fps...

[Wild Cobra]

lol MHz... that's 240.000.000 fps...
And Manny [who thinks he] is God, thinks he got over me on that...

[ElNono]

Part of the "overkill" is the 3D capability. I'll bet the difference between most "3D" capable TV's to their regular counterpart is a firmware switch...

The electronics are different. The TV tells the shutter glasses the image it should block so you get a stereoscopic image. That's why the refresh rate needs to be at least 240Hz (it's really 120Hz for progressive scan images and 60Hz for interlaced while in 3D mode).

If you're making a cheap(er) TV, you don't need the entire circuitry that talks to the glasses or the extra 240Hz juice.

[ElNono]

Actually, you can buy 120Hz 3D sets, but you'll notice a small flicker if the source image is interlaced, such as some of the broadcast 1080i signals.

[B-Hath]

I bought a Samsung DLP several years ago, and it worked like a champ. Now I have a Samsung LCD and it's been great.

[Wild Cobra]

Actually, you can buy 120Hz 3D sets, but you'll notice a small flicker if the source image is interlaced, such as some of the broadcast 1080i signals.
I prefer the technology where the polarization is built into the screen. No shutter glasses required. Just the same polarized elcheapo glasses you watch 3D theater movies in.

[Wild Cobra]

The electronics are different. The TV tells the shutter glasses the image it should block so you get a stereoscopic image.
You're right. I had a brain cramp and forgot about that. Still, I'll bet they use the same circuit boards between the similar models, and have different firmware installed.

[ElNono]

I prefer the technology where the polarization is built into the screen. No shutter glasses required. Just the same polarized elcheapo glasses you watch 3D theater movies in.

You're thinking Anaglyphic 3D, which use the red-cyan (or cheaper red-green, red-blue, red-orange) glasses. The problem with those is that you lose color resolution and brightness. It also works very poorly or none at all with colorblind people.

Shutter glasses started to be used on IMAX theaters back in the 90's. They were eventually discontinued because LCDs were kind of expensive at the time and the required communication between the projector and the glasses was costly. That said, you can still find some older theaters that still use them. The tech moved onto RealD later on, using much cheaper polarized glasses but requiring a fairly expensive silver screen. That's being mostly replaced with Dolby 3D, which is based on similar tech as the Anaglyphic 3D (some call it super-anaglyphic), but it actually splits all 3 RGB channels in two and the lenses have dichroic filters to filter left and right based on the channel. Those are not your elcheapo glasses however, and as you can see you do lose half of the color resolution (which is fine, because it's barely discernible).

Shutter glasses have become fairly cheap to make, since they're basically a transparent low-res LCD layer on each eye that simply turn black blocking the eye's vision when told to do so. The biggest caveat with them is that you need some kind of signal coming from the box to tell the glasses what side to close each time. On a theater, this was problematic, but at home it's much easier. Either a wired system or a cheap infrared system should work fine.

[ElNono]

You're right. I had a brain cramp and forgot about that. Still, I'll bet they use the same circuit boards between the similar models, and have different firmware installed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the boards are the same but the non 3D sets doesn't include the communication circuitry and a pin-compatible lower-end ASIC (since you don't really need to process 240Hz images).

[Drachen]

Couldn't tell you the model #s off the top of my head, but I have a 50" Samsung DLP that I bought in 2007 and a 40" LCD from 2009 and both have given no problems. :tu

You and I probably have the same DLP. I have a Samsung DLP (50'') that I bought in 2007! LOL.

I have had to change the bulb (about a month ago), but it was only 100 bucks and took only 5 mins. Other than that, the thing works fine.

Just bought an insignia Plasma, but it is just a rebranded samsung.

[Cry Havoc]

Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I don't care. I just hope it lasts so regular 2D sets are way cheaper than that stupid fad.

Thank you, idiots :toast

I'm praying for 4D

[resistanze]

Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?

You don't like wearing Star Trek glasses at home to watch the home cooking network in 3D?

[Sense]

Wild....

FPS also = First Person Shooter

[ElNono]

Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?

Can't die quick enough. I heard some directors actually boycotting the tech, since they say filming with those cameras is a hassle.

[TDMVPDPOY]

LOL...

You talking data rate, or frames per second?

Never seen a monitor or TV that does 240 mhz frames. HZ, yes. MHZ... No!

FPS as in first person shooter games man

[Cry Havoc]

FPS as in first person shooter games man

:lmao

[leemajors]

:lmao

that was a good one

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The unintentional comedy in this forum is much appreciated.

And outside of major problems reported, buy the TV that looks best to your eyes in your price range.

Rainbow effect, screen door effect, poor viewing angle, blotchy screens and the like aren't/weren't even seen by most until they read of someone else having the problem and then go looking for it.

[Cry Havoc]

The unintentional comedy in this forum is much appreciated.

And outside of major problems reported, buy the TV that looks best to your eyes in your price range.

Ohhhh, double rainbow! effect, screen door effect, poor viewing angle, blotchy screens and the like aren't/weren't even seen by most until they read of someone else having the problem and then go looking for it.

ftfy

[Wild Cobra]

You're thinking Anaglyphic 3D, which use the red-cyan (or cheaper red-green, red-blue, red-orange) glasses.
No...

Flat out wrong. That's old school. I'm talking the new state of the art.

They do it two different ways. PLANAR makes a two screed set that uses polarized glass. Some other makers have the physical polarization etched in the flat panel. there are physically two color groups next to each other, with polarities 90 degrees apart.

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[Wild Cobra]

Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?
Not a fad.

Here to stay.

[Wild Cobra]

Can't die quick enough. I heard some directors actually boycotting the tech, since they say filming with those cameras is a hassle.
I used to have a camera that took stereo pictures. Had the cutters and blank reels to make View master 3D images.

That was back in the late 70's/early 80's. Already discontinued when I had it.

[Cry Havoc]

Not a fad.

Here to stay.

:wow :wow :wow


:lmao :lmao :lmao

Dude, you are utterly clueless.

[Wild Cobra]

:wow :wow :wow


:lmao :lmao :lmao

Dude, you are utterly clueless.
If you say so. I'm so clueless, I'll take your word for it.

OK with you?

[ElNono]

No...

Flat out wrong. That's old school. I'm talking the new state of the art.

They do it two different ways. PLANAR makes a two screed set that uses polarized glass. Some other makers have the physical polarization etched in the flat panel. there are physically two color groups next to each other, with polarities 90 degrees apart.

SD2620W 26" Widescreen Stereo/3D Monitor (http://www.planar3d.com/3d-products/sd2620w/):


http://www.planar3d.com/3d-products/sd2620w/images/SD2620W-351.jpg

JVC GD-463D10U PROFESSIONAL 46-INCH 3D DISPLAY MONITOR (http://www.usedvideogear.com/catalog/adita-gd463d10u-professional-46inch-display-monitor-p-5433.html?currency=USD):


http://www.usedvideogear.com/catalog/images/GD-463D10_3001.jpg

In other words, the realD technology I was talking about in my post. The problem with polarization tech is that you lose brightness and in some cases (like the Hyundai XPol that the JVC monitor you mention uses) you lose half the vertical resolution.

Notice also that both displays are actually professional monitors, not consumer TVs.

Right now, the Dolby3D is probably the better tech out there. It's just too expensive outside of a theater though. Circular polarization has a chance to replace shutter glasses for consumer TV if they find a way to produce the polarized filter screens for cheap. At least cheaper than making shutter glasses.

[Wild Cobra]

In other words, the realD technology I was talking about in my post. The problem with polarization tech is that you lose brightness and in some cases (like the Hyundai XPol that the JVC monitor you mention uses) you lose half the vertical resolution.
Still, it's not the shutter glasses, or colored glasses.

Notice also that both displays are actually professional monitors, not consumer TVs.
True. I bought a professional series desktop. Why not monitor as well?

Right now, the Dolby3D is probably the better tech out there. It's just too expensive outside of a theater though. Circular polarization has a chance to replace shutter glasses for consumer TV if they find a way to produce the polarized fikter screens for cheap. At least cheaper than making shutter glasses.
I see possible reverting back to polarity at 90 degrees apart with LED screens, at like a +/- 45 degree. I think the dolby 3d will be a failure as some people will perceive the two different color pallets differently. Just my opinion though.

Let's not forget the parallax type monitors that don't require any glasses.

[TDMVPDPOY]

3d bs is just a gimmick

u can always ask them to give u the non 3d screen....

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Anyone have a guess on how long this stupid 3D fad lasts?

Three years, tops.

1) I cannot simply imagine people of any demographic consistently using those stupid glasses, and straining their eyes to watch 3d movies

2) The movies that are actually 3d worthy are VERY VERY VERY VERY few and far between.
I can imagine myself smoking a joint with a few friends and wanting to watch avatar in 3d on my TV. But what other fucking movie would you want to do that for? Anyone with a smidgen of brain that WANTS to pay for a 3d TV is basically buying the TV to watch Avatar, Beowulf, Coraline, and maybe one or two children's CGI movies. That's IT! The movies that are being chastized 3d fucking blow in 3d and we all know it.

3) The consumer is not paying that much money for shit these days, if they have a choice to save several hundred dollars without getting 3d they will do it.