Ray Allen

[Rummpd]

2nd Team NBA

2nd Best Guard in this playoff series

1st Team NBA whiner team

Go figure.

[xcoriate]

2nd Best Guard in this playoff series


Drugs are bad

[Rummpd]

I stand on my opinion that in this series, Manu has outplayed Allen and will continue to do so.

[Brodels]

Don't forget that Allen is going against the man who's finished in the top three for defensive player of the year for the last couple of seasons. Manu has been great, but Seattle's perimeter defenders won't be winning any defensive awards anytime soon.

What's more, Allen faces Tim Duncan and another capable big man when he gets in the paint. Ginobili faces a practically immobile Danny Fortson, a capable Nick Collison, and Reggie Evans, a player who clearly is a borderline NBA player.

Manu has been magnificent, but since Lewis went down, the Spurs have geared their defense towards stopping them. Seattle isn't as good of a defensive team, and they have to still gear their defensive plans towards stopping Duncan first and foremost.

This series isn't going to reveal who is better. If Allen doesn't score tonight, he still likely to get a max contract and be a franchise player.

[dcole50]

i'd also argue that manu outplayed ray in this series. i wouldn't have said the same until after game 5. that was just incredible.

[Rick Von Braun]

Conference Semifinals

Player MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Manu 30.0 31-53 .585 10-17 .588 38-49 .776 1.60 3.40 5.00 3.6 1.00 .20 3.00 3.40 22.0
Allen 36.2 36-83 .434 9-31 .290 23-29 .793 1.40 2.60 4.00 3.0 .80 .20 3.00 2.40 20.8

Manu, with 6 minutes less per game has a higher FG% (.585 vs .434, 5 less field goals made with 30 less fgs taken), a much higher 3P% (.588 vs .290, 1 more trey with 14 less 3P taken), worse FT% (.776 vs .793, with 15 more FTM and 20 more FTA), more offensive rebounds (1.6 vs 1.4), more defensive rebounds (3.4 vs 2.6), more rebounds total (5 vs 4), more assists (3.6 vs 3.0), more steals (1 vs 0.8), same blocks (1 each), same TOs (3.0 each), more fouls (3.4 vs 2.4) and more points per game (22.0 vs 20.8).

You be the judge.

[xcoriate]

Thats me not researching :lol

Thanks Rick for making an ass out of me, Allen has had some great games this series though and he carried them to there wins.

Still a punk as bitch though

[nkdlunch]

2nd Team NBA

2nd Best Guard in this playoff series

1st Team NBA whiner team

Go figure.

1st Biggest Crybaby in the League

[MI21]

Conference Semifinals

Player MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Manu 30.0 31-53 .585 10-17 .588 38-49 .776 1.60 3.40 5.00 3.6 1.00 .20 3.00 3.40 22.0
Allen 36.2 36-83 .434 9-31 .290 23-29 .793 1.40 2.60 4.00 3.0 .80 .20 3.00 2.40 20.8

Manu, with 6 minutes less per game has a higher FG% (.585 vs .434, 5 less field goals made with 30 less fgs taken), a much higher 3P% (.588 vs .290, 1 more trey with 14 less 3P taken), worse FT% (.776 vs .793, with 15 more FTM and 20 more FTA), more offensive rebounds (1.6 vs 1.4), more defensive rebounds (3.4 vs 2.6), more rebounds total (5 vs 4), more assists (3.6 vs 3.0), more steals (1 vs 0.8), same blocks (1 each), same TOs (3.0 each), more fouls (3.4 vs 2.4) and more points per game (22.0 vs 20.8).

You be the judge.

Can't front on those numbers Rick Von Ginobili.

Sure Ray Allen is San Antonio's #1 priority defensively, but Manu isn't exactly sneaking up under Seattle's radar, they have plans to stop him to, it's just they don't work.

So far this series, you would have to say Manu has outplayed Ray.

[TMTTRIO]

This is why I love Manu. He doesn't get in people's faces when he gets flagrantly fouled (although I think somebody needs to stand up for him and stop letting them hurt him) but he gets right back up and makes them pay by his play. I love seeing him in the next possession when he goes and scores on them. He doesn't cry about the refs or the players, he just goes out and plays.

[Nikos]

Don't forget that Allen is going against the man who's finished in the top three for defensive player of the year for the last couple of seasons. Manu has been great, but Seattle's perimeter defenders won't be winning any defensive awards anytime soon.

What's more, Allen faces Tim Duncan and another capable big man when he gets in the paint. Ginobili faces a practically immobile Danny Fortson, a capable Nick Collison, and Reggie Evans, a player who clearly is a borderline NBA player.

What is weird is that Parker and Duncan aren't playing to par in terms of scoring. Sure TD had a great game 4, but he didn't exactly set anyone up for open shots. It was always wrestle with Fortson/Evans/Collison for 3-4 seconds, receive a simple lob, hold the ball for a few seconds, then score or get fouled. No one else got involved. No spacing.

I am noticing a lot of those role players like Evans and Collison are scoring off offensive rebounds rather easily at times. Evans has even scored on Duncan 2-3 times in 1 on 1 situations. Where Evans would muscle him and score. I have seen about 15 Seattle games this season and I can't rememver Evans doing that to guys who were shorter, weaker, less skilled than Duncan.

It's like the Spurs aren't playing physical enough. Offense or defense. Duncan has not been himself for most of this series IMO. With Seattle being 25th in the league in defense, I expect Parker and Duncan to play THEIR games.

Why do the Spurs have trouble scoring like usual against this Seattle defense on the road?

[boutons]

Nikos, please don't criticize the Spurs in a W. It's a W, you must STFU. :)

The Spurs were not playing championship TEAM ball in Game5, except for Manu. Very low AST/FG %age, etc, etc.

After 2 horrible give-away losses @SEA, and getting back to their comfy SBC, I figured they'd romp and stomp on both ends. All they got was a W.

I expect we may hear more about Tim's ankle after the playoffs. That's the only way I can fgure Tim playing with such mediocrity and lack of energy.

[Nikos]

I am just saying it doesn't make sense. Manu has been able to attack their weak defense. But why can't most others Spurs capitilize on it? Is Duncan not as healthy as he needs to be? Is Parker just in another funk? Or is Seattle actually playing good D vs Spurs (although they don't seem to against anyone else)?

[kskonn]

I still don't think Duncan is as healthy as he usually is, especially factoring in the amount of basketball he has played over the last two years. Parker needs Duncan to consistently play well because of his size. Ginobli does not, he is athletical and bigger therefore able to create his own shots on offense. Duncan has been playing pretty well, but if he starts getting more people involved then I think you will see parker get to the basket more.