Spurs Not Finished Making Moves

[chrisrod2008]

Spurs Not Finished Making Moves
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Posted: 8/28/2010 2:06:00 AM
Source: Jeff McDonald of the San Antonio Express-News (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2010/08/richards-ferry.html)


Though all has been quiet on the roster front for the Spurs lately, the front office isn't finished making moves. The team has only 11 fully guaranteed contracts on the payroll right now, and still has a need for a backup small forward behind Richard Jefferson. There is precedent for treading slowly: Last season, the Spurs didn't make their final offseason move -- signing Keith Bogans -- until a week before.

[ChuckD]

Hmmmm. McDonald says they're not done.

They're done, then. :lol

[rayray2k8]

they'll probably fill the roster up with scrubs.

[Texas_Ranger]

Parker for Melo. :D

[benefactor]

Hmmmm. McDonald says they're not done.

They're done, then. :lol
:tu

[edgar]

Parker for Melo. :D

I'd do it in an instance!! Id rather have Melo for a year and still have such a huge trade value than frenchie over there.

[SenorSpur]

Hmmmm. McDonald says they're not done.

They're done, then. :lol


Man, that's cold - but funny.

:lol

[Bruno]

There isn't a single SF on the market who is an above average defender. Spurs could go after a shooter like Jarvis Hayes or Bobby Simmons but I don't think it will help significantly Spurs team.

[G-Dawgg]

Probably looking to make a trade, that's why they haven't used up alll their cap space. So that they have a bit of flexibility to make some type of transaction work and still not exceed the salary cap. -Just a guess.

....somebody start another trade Parker thread

[Texas_Ranger]

Who besides Parker could we really trade??? I don't think they wan't to trade Hill and Blair, and others've got no trade value.

[TD 21]

There isn't a single SF on the market who is an above average defender. Spurs could go after a shooter like Jarvis Hayes or Bobby Simmons but I don't think it will help significantly Spurs team.

Obviously there's nobody left on the market who will significantly help the Spurs, but that's besides the point.

They need another competent SF for depth purposes.

I've been saying it for weeks and I continue to believe it, that Hayes will sign with the Spurs closer to training camp. The hold up is he's supposedly waiting for an offer above the veteran's minimum. With a month until camps open, I don't know why he's still waiting at this point. If if hasn't come by now, it's not coming. Once he inevitably comes to grips with that reality, a la Bogans a year ago, I think he'll be a Spur.

Mediocre as he is, at least with Hayes, in addition to Splitter and Anderson, the Spurs will have become a much bigger team this off season.

[ChuckD]

Obviously there's nobody left on the market who will significantly help the Spurs, but that's besides the point.

They need another competent SF for depth purposes.

I've been saying it for weeks and I continue to believe it, that Hayes will sign with the Spurs closer to training camp. The hold up is he's supposedly waiting for an offer above the veteran's minimum. With a month until camps open, I don't know why he's still waiting at this point. If if hasn't come by now, it's not coming. Once he inevitably comes to grips with that reality, a la Bogans a year ago, I think he'll be a Spur.

Mediocre as he is, at least with Hayes, in addition to Splitter and Anderson, the Spurs will have become a much bigger team this off season.

It doesn't cost Hayes anything to wait. The minimum offers will still be there, and maybe he gets a better offer after someone is injured working out.

[TD 21]

It doesn't cost Hayes anything to wait. The minimum offers will still be there, and maybe he gets a better offer after someone is injured working out.

It could. The Spurs could move on. I don't think they will, but you never know.

If it's strictly or mostly three-point shooting they're after, maybe they turn to Simmons (who's a better three-point shooter), if they already haven't.

[DesignatedT]

hayes or simmons would be a solid pick-up. Those guys might have something left in the tank.

[JustinJDW]

Tony Parker and Antonio McDyess for Chauncey Billups and Birdman. :D

[dbestpro]

Tony Parker and Antonio McDyess for Chauncey Billups and Birdman. :D

Now, you're just flicking snot against the wall.

[BronxCowboy]

Now, you're just flicking snot against the wall.

[BronxCowboy]

Hayes and Simmons are bad ideas too, TBH. There isn't a significant talent out there in the Spurs price range. The Spurs would be better off giving minutes to new guys and hoping they pay off. I think Anderson will do just fine as the backup SF.

[Dex]

So are they gonna move the vending machines to the player's gym, or the ellipticals over by the TVs?

[ChuckD]

It could. The Spurs could move on. I don't think they will, but you never know.

If it's strictly or mostly three-point shooting they're after, maybe they turn to Simmons (who's a better three-point shooter), if they already haven't.

Not likely. When you're putting together the end of your bench on a budget, you tend to "leave your bait in the water" a while. The Spurs are rarely, if ever, in as much of a hurry as their fans are.

Even if they were to move on, I'm sure Hayes has other teams offering him the minimum. He's not making any less than that. It's in his interest to wait right up until training camp. He might get a better offer, and no one can make him a lower one.

[ohmwrecker]

Hayes would be a good pick up. He has never been very consistent, but on a good team he might become a solid bench gunner. Kind of like what Bogans and Mason were supposed to be . . . Best case, he is a veteran option bench player to fall back on if Anderson or Neal crumble under pressure. Worst case, he wears a suit.

[will_spurs]

Hayes would be a good pick up. He has never been very consistent, but on a good team he might become a solid bench gunner. Kind of like what Bogans and Mason were supposed to be . . . Best case, he is a veteran option bench player to fall back on if Anderson or Neal crumble under pressure. Worst case, he wears a suit.

The issue with Pop being that if he gets his hands on a veteran, instead of playing him in case Anderson or Neal dno't pan out, he'll use him as a starter and will stick with him until at least April even if the guy sucks. Just in time for the "shorter playoff rotation", shorter because the vet sucks and the young ones never saw any PT.

That's why I hope the Spurs don't sign anybody. I'd rather see the Spurs lose while playing prospects, than lose while playing useless vets (e.g. Mr no-offense no-defense no-nothing Bogans).

[Seventyniner]

Worst case, he wears a suit.

And if he does, that's probably more than $5 million less in Holt's pockets (~$1M salary, ~$1M tax, ~$3+M in lost redistributions).

[benefactor]

I think Anderson will do just fine as the backup SF.
Having a SG with no NBA experience play backup SF is not what I would consider a good idea.

[admiralsnackbar]

The issue with Pop being that if he gets his hands on a veteran, instead of playing him in case Anderson or Neal dno't pan out, he'll use him as a starter and will stick with him until at least April even if the guy sucks. Just in time for the "shorter playoff rotation", shorter because the vet sucks and the young ones never saw any PT.

That's why I hope the Spurs don't sign anybody. I'd rather see the Spurs lose while playing prospects, than lose while playing useless vets (e.g. Mr no-offense no-defense no-nothing Bogans).

I think he'll play whoever looks like they belong out there. Neal didn't get signed to a 3-year to warm the bench, and Anderson is going to be given the chance to earn his minutes the same way Hill and Blair have.

No longer is this a team of champions with the option to develop players for future championship runs. It's now or nothing, and if players don't play, we can reasonably assume that it's because they are impediments.

[will_spurs]

I think he'll play whoever looks like they belong out there.

Like Finley, the ghost of Mason Jr, and Bogans in consecutive years... while leaving prospects to rot. I really, really hope the Spurs don't sign a vet before the start of the season.

[admiralsnackbar]

If prospects didn't belong out there, then yeah, I guess we agree.

[TD 21]

Not likely. When you're putting together the end of your bench on a budget, you tend to "leave your bait in the water" a while. The Spurs are rarely, if ever, in as much of a hurry as their fans are.

Even if they were to move on, I'm sure Hayes has other teams offering him the minimum. He's not making any less than that. It's in his interest to wait right up until training camp. He might get a better offer, and no one can make him a lower one.

I'm aware, that's why I said "I don't think they will, but you never know". Personally, I'm not in a hurry, I just feel what Hayes is doing has run it's course.

I know he probably does, but I doubt there's a more appealing situation for Hayes than this. The only quality team's that I can think of that could use him would be the Celtics (supposedly want Hughes though), Nuggets and maybe the Bulls. But the one that would give him the best opportunity to be in the rotation and compete for a championship simultaneously is probably the Spurs.


The issue with Pop being that if he gets his hands on a veteran, instead of playing him in case Anderson or Neal dno't pan out, he'll use him as a starter and will stick with him until at least April even if the guy sucks. Just in time for the "shorter playoff rotation", shorter because the vet sucks and the young ones never saw any PT.

That's why I hope the Spurs don't sign anybody. I'd rather see the Spurs lose while playing prospects, than lose while playing useless vets (e.g. Mr no-offense no-defense no-nothing Bogans).

Despite this potential problem, I'd still rather have the depth and insurance than not. If Jefferson were injured for any length of time, the Spurs would have a gaping hole at SF. Even if he isn't, they'd be asking Anderson and Ginobili to guard SF's far more than they should have to. It's just not ideal.

Neal would probably be impacted by a Hayes signing the most. Either way, Anderson is probably going to be in the rotation, though when it comes time to whittle down to a playoff rotation, he could potentially be impacted then.

[Blackjack]

Is it the belief of most that the Spurs are championship material?

The Spurs aren't done trying to make moves, remains to be seen if there's anything worthwhile to acquire (via free-agency or trade).

Honestly, I was just checking to see how my avatar looked.

[will_spurs]

If prospects didn't belong out there, then yeah, I guess we agree.

Even I belong more to the NBA than Bogans, so you're trying to make a ridiculous point.

[admiralsnackbar]

Even I belong more to the NBA than Bogans, so you're trying to make a ridiculous point.

Or you're making a point belligerently without any basis for doing so.

There are better things to do than get in a fight over opinions on a Saturday. :toast

[Mel_13]

Neal didn't get signed to a 3-year to warm the bench

Neal signed a three-year minimum contract with no guaranteed money beyond the first year. The only thing his contract guarantees him for 2010-11 is that he will be paid 525K for his services, which is just as likely to be practice player as it is to be rotation player.

[TD 21]

Is it the belief of most that the Spurs are championship material?

The Spurs aren't done trying to make moves, remains to be seen if there's anything worthwhile to acquire (via free-agency or trade).

Honestly, I was just checking to see how my avatar looked.

Probably not, at least not the so called experts. But I was speaking specifically about the quality team's I could see being interested in Hayes. Out of the Spurs, Nuggets and Bulls, I think the Spurs offer the best chance to contend for a championship.

If the Celtics lose out to the Bobcats in the Hughes sweepstakes (if there's such thing as a Hughes sweepstakes), then maybe they turn their attention towards Hayes. In that case, you could say they offer a better opportunity to contend than the Spurs, but they also play a tighter rotation, which only increases the chances of Hayes playing less minutes.

Presuming both of those things matter to him (and presuming he'll get the veteran's minimum anywhere he goes), I see the Spurs as the best fit.

[admiralsnackbar]

Neal signed a three-year minimum contract with no guaranteed money beyond the first year. The only thing his contract guarantees him for 2010-11 is that he will be paid 525K for his services, which is just as likely to be practice player as it is to be rotation player.

Touchè -- I wasn't aware.

[benefactor]

Is it the belief of most that the Spurs are championship material?

If it is, then most are delusional.

[admiralsnackbar]

I'm on record as saying we won't get a LOB, but I don't think this team is of such poor quality that they deserve to field a squad that rolls over, either.

[DynastySpurs210]

Were good to go

[MaNu4Tres]

Is it the belief of most that the Spurs are championship material?

The Spurs aren't done trying to make moves, remains to be seen if there's anything worthwhile to acquire (via free-agency or trade).

Honestly, I was just checking to see how my avatar looked.

Nice avatar!!

Find me one...

:smokin

[ohmwrecker]

If it is, then most are delusional.

I think anyone who believes they know absolutely what is going to happen this season is delusional. Whether that belief is a championship or the lottery, it is just a belief. There is a lot of basketball to be played and anything can happen.

I still believe that, all factors considered, the Spurs are one in a handful of teams that are built to win a championship. It would require an awful lot of good fortune to happen, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility.

[anti_troll]

If it is, then most are delusional.

:rolleyes
see you in '11-'12 then

[mountainballer]

whatever is left in free agency, it doesn't make any difference.
the only move that could make a (still small) difference is a trade and I think the chance is smaller than 1% that this happens at this point.
well, maybe the Melo thing and a firesale in Denver will cause some more movement around the league. (plus some noise from players like Crawford)
Spurs could act with a package around Dice (Anderson as a teaser) plus the non guaranteed contracts. this might bring back an impact player. but again, very unlikely.

[8FOR!3]

I kind of wish we would sign Bostjan Nachbar.

[Bito Corleone]

^^ I wouldn't mind that either.

[benefactor]

:rolleyes
see you in '11-'12 then
I watch my team regardless of the outcome. That doesn't stop me from giving my honest opinion.

[DrSteffo]

Having a SG with no NBA experience play backup SF is not what I would consider a good idea.

This. I don't like the idea that we are bound to play small ball for a significant amount of time each game. I didn't like it last season either.

[Blackjack]

If it is, then most are delusional.

Which leads me to believe the Spurs aren't done, at least not trying.

Of the options left in free-agency, only Boki seems to offer a nice potential return. But it's not like he's the missing piece. I actually wouldn't mind them going with the likes of Anderson and Gee rather than sign a random vet. Give me potential upside over known mediocrity and not-good-enough.


Nice avatar!!

Find me one...

:smokin

I'll see what I can do. I'm extremely talented. :smokin

[duhoh]

Exactly, I'll watch as many 76ers games as I can. I'll go to as many home Spurs games as possible and regardless of match ups I will enjoy every game. Understand this, I am a basketball fan first, a 76ers fan second and a Spurs fan third. Being a basketball fan means that I don't dislike any team, I might pull for the Spurs or 76ers to win a certain match up, but in no way would I want a team to do poorly like some Spurs fans feel about the Mavs or Lakers.

It goes on and on. I love the game and my opinions might sound crazy, but whatever I say in one statement can be expressed and explained in several pages of deep thought. Unless of course I am being sarcastic. I personally will not read extremely long posts, so why should I expect any of you to spend your time reading my long posts (this, btw, does not count as a long post. Long posts go on to where you can't see the next 3 posts after yours)?

Anyhow, I have rambled on too much. Good night.

:toast

my order is spurs, rox, then the lakeshow. i think it's hilarious to see people get so upset or pass up an opportunity for an actual discussion just based on team affiliation. i suppose seeing a few idiots from a particular fanbase might give a negative bias, but in the end, we're all here to talk.

i hope SA isn't done making changes. i'd estimate about 2 pieces away from having a legitimate shot at getting the 5th.

[The Btown Spur]

Anyone we add will most likely be a roster filler, but there is a chance we can find someone that hasnt been signed yet for cheaper now than if we had tried to sign them earlier. But still doubtful we sign aanyone that has much of an impact imo

[mountainballer]

Spurs should try to deal with the Wolves. aside the fact that not much of what Kahn does makes sense. (which gives us an even better chance for a good deal)
however, Wolves now have 4 natural SF (Brewer, Johnson, Webster, Hayward), plus Beasley, who should as well see minutes at SF. (because it would be a shame not to use his versatility for creating match up problems at SF).
sure, they will play Brewer and Webster at SG (which isn't a good idea, because neither can create).
you can't blame Kahn for aquiring Beasley, this was actually a great deal (for just 2 2nd rounders), but now he would even more need to balance the roster.

[texaskid]

Rodney Carney？ Jarvis Hayes？Bobby Simmons？

[timtonymanu]

I'd rather give time to Gee-Anderson than to sign a vet. Pop will overplay him again even if he sucks. (See Bogans and Finley).

This team isnt gonna win a title next year unless everyone is 100% and is giving 110%. We don't know if that's gonna happen. So what's the point of getting a vet who's just gonna take time away from the development of our young guns?

[Blackjack]

Spurs should try to deal with the Wolves. aside the fact that not much of what Kahn does makes sense. (which gives us an even better chance for a good deal)
however, Wolves now have 4 natural SF (Brewer, Johnson, Webster, Hayward), plus Beasley, who should as well see minutes at SF. (because it would be a shame not to use his versatility for creating match up problems at SF).
sure, they will play Brewer and Webster at SG (which isn't a good idea, because neither can create).
you can't blame Kahn for aquiring Beasley, this was actually a great deal (for just 2 2nd rounders), but now he would even more need to balance the roster.

That's about the best I can hope for from the Spurs at this point. Webster would be a great fit with the Spurs, good enough to move RJ to the bench -- Brewer might as well.

If the Spurs could get either one of those players I'd be ecstatic. But I just don't know how the hell they could make a deal work for the Wolves. The only real 2 they have is Ellington, so maybe a package around Anderson works for them?

It's Kahn. Who the hell knows . . .

[Dex]

If our big, final move is going to be to pick up another Keith Bogans, then they can keep it.

[Bruno]

Anderson + Jerrells + Gee for Corey Brewer could be and interesting trade for both teams even if I don't see at all Spurs trading Anderson that soon.

Brewer would be a great fit for Spurs. Even if he would put Spurs over the tax, he could be worth the money.
Wolves get a SG, a position where they lacked of depth/quality, locked under a cheap contract for 4 years. Jerrells and Gee are fillers to match salaries but Wolves can get them a look in training camp before deciding to keep or waive them.

[Blackjack]

Anderson + Jerrells + Gee for Corey Brewer could be and interesting trade for both teams even if I don't see at all Spurs trading Anderson that soon.

Brewer would be a great fit for Spurs. Even if he would put Spurs over the tax, he could be worth the money.
Wolves get a SG, a position where they lacked of depth/quality, locked under a cheap contract for 4 years. Jerrells and Gee are fillers to match salaries but Wolves can get them a look in training camp before deciding to keep or waive them.

Pretty sure the Spurs would strongly consider doing do that, given what they saved this year and Brewer would be seen as a piece for the future as well.

If Tim plays after this season, I don't see him getting re-signed to the type of contract that's become accustomed, and it's still up in the air whether Tony returns. Pretty sure they'll be able to stay under the tax much easier than they have in recent years moving forward, so Brewer's $4,966,356 QO next year wouldn't seem to preclude them from making the move.

But I agree. I don't believe they're looking to move Anderson -- and I don't see much else they'd have to offer Minnesota for Webster or Brewer.

[SCdac]

I'm just glad we re-added Ferry to our team's head honchos. He was great before he left, and did a fair amount of wheeling and dealing in Cleveland (most of which was pretty decent in my opinion), so hopefully the saying of "having two heads is better than one" helps us net a really good player through trades. A long small forward is something we've needed desperately, somebody who can slide from the 3 to the 4 and visa versa.

[Bruno]

But I agree. I don't believe they're looking to move Anderson -- and I don't see much else they'd have to offer Minnesota for Webster or Brewer.

I know you're obsessed with Webster but I wouldn't get the logic for Minny to trade the 16th pick for Webster and then trade Webster a couple of months later for the 20th pick (James Anderson).

If Wolves moves a SF, Brewer should the one traded (providing Kahn uses some kind of logic).

[Solid D]

If Wolves moves a SF, Brewer should the one traded (providing Kahn uses some kind of logic).

When Corey Brewer was drafted, he was the player I felt would become the next great perimeter defender. That hasn't really happened, but there is potential there. He would need to focus on it and I'm not sure how much he is willing to commit to defense. He is very adept at steals but there is so much more to defending than that.

[Zocalo]

I wouldn't mind if the Spurs brought in Joe Alexander for a workout... He has talent and youth and if we sign him for the Min how much can it hurt us compared to Gee and Jerrells? Gee and Jerrells aren't going to be difference makers, at least Alexander has the physical ability to at least suit up instead of being inactive most games.

[mountainballer]

I was also thinking Brewer. Webster they obviously liked when they traded Gomes and the #16 pick for him. (might turn out a pretty good deal for them)
I'm sure they are interested in Anderson. Ellington doesn't even look like NBA material and even if he improves in his 2nd season, a player who goes to the line about once a month will always be limited in any role.
btw. I really like Lazar Hayward, very smart and likeable guy and quite tough as well. (yes, undersized, but with a freakish 7'1'' wingspan). this doesn't mean I see Hayward as a target. just mention it.
(with the Wolves he will spend most time in the D-league, because they don't have any minutes available).
Anderson for Brewer would definitely be something Spurs need to consider, as Brewer brings some NBA experience and would bring much needed size and defense for the perimeter.

[DPG21920]

I would cry tears of joy if the Spurs got Brewer. He continues to work on his 3PT shot, has great athleticism and can be a very good defender.

He also fits the Spurs mold of a "character" person.

[pad300]

Anderson + Jerrells + Gee for Corey Brewer could be and interesting trade for both teams even if I don't see at all Spurs trading Anderson that soon.

Brewer would be a great fit for Spurs. Even if he would put Spurs over the tax, he could be worth the money.
Wolves get a SG, a position where they lacked of depth/quality, locked under a cheap contract for 4 years. Jerrells and Gee are fillers to match salaries but Wolves can get them a look in training camp before deciding to keep or waive them.

I'm pretty sure that SAS would want a pick or something on top. Corey is currently not guaranteed to hang on (in the NBA) beyond his rookie contract. At that point, a fresh new 1st round prospect (Anderson) and cap space (Jerrels and Gee) would be overpaying.

[Solid D]

I'm pretty sure that SAS would want a pick or something on top. Corey is currently not guaranteed to hang on (in the NBA) beyond his rookie contract. At that point, a fresh new 1st round prospect (Anderson) and cap space (Jerrels and Gee) would be overpaying.

Yeah, I like Brewer but not enough to give up James Anderson for him.

[Nathan89]

Two options:

1. The spurs sign another garbage player.

2. We resign tony and trade hill.

[Bruno]

I'm pretty sure that SAS would want a pick or something on top. Corey is currently not guaranteed to hang on (in the NBA) beyond his rookie contract. At that point, a fresh new 1st round prospect (Anderson) and cap space (Jerrels and Gee) would be overpaying.

Brewer put 13ppg in 30 mpg, is young and has tools to be a great defender. Even if he played for one of the worst team in the league, it's a big exaggeration to say that he could be out of the NBA if he hadn't a guaranteed contract

IMO, asking for an additional first round pick would be too much. Maybe Spurs could get Bjelica whose they were said to be high on.

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs could get their hands on Brewer, they would finally, and I mean finally have a true, young & athletic 3 prospect.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would be cool with Brewer, and I would definitely make that trade..he only shot 35% from 3s as a spot-up shooter, so he would still need to work on that, but it's better than Jefferson shoots from there..

As others have said, he has the tools to be a great defender, even though he struggles as a team defender right now..he was ranked as one of the better 1 on 1 defenders in the NBA last year, so it would obviously be an asset, and I'm sure his team D would improve by playing in a strict system like this, instead of Minnesota's..

[Blackjack]

I know you're obsessed with Webster but I wouldn't get the logic for Minny to trade the 16th pick for Webster and then trade Webster a couple of months later for the 20th pick (James Anderson).

If Wolves moves a SF, Brewer should the one traded (providing Kahn uses some kind of logic).

Webster's simply one of the best players out there to fulfill the needs of a small forward in the Spurs' system. He brings both the 2-way ability and physical tools.

Having said that, I'm fully aware that the Spurs don't really have the pieces to get him from Minnesota in a direct trade. It's not an obsession as much as knowing what the Spurs need and how well he'd fit.

But if the Spurs could get Brewer? :wow

Like I said before, I'd be ecstatic with either acquisition. Brewer's one of the other guys I've been "obsessed" with and a player I believe to be one of the 4-6 best options the Spurs could possibly bring in -- just from the ability to fill the need/role at the small forward position, not taking into account who's realistic or attainable.

[spursballer21]

IMO, asking for an additional first round pick would be too much. Maybe Spurs could get Bjelica whose they were said to be high on.

They can't get Bjelica he just signed a contract with Caja Laboral this summer which has NBA opt out till 2012.

[kookie]

Spurs will not trade Parker he is way too valuable AND Pop won't split up the TD, MJ, Parker trio!:depressed

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd be down for Brewer, but not for Anderson just yet.

Let's see what the kid has by February then assess the matter.

[Bruno]

They can't get Bjelica he just signed a contract with Caja Laboral this summer which has NBA opt out till 2012.

When I said getting Bjelica, it's obviously getting the draft rights to him (Minny has drafted him with the 35th pick).

[GSH]

What the Spurs really need is to pull a rabbit out of the hat and find the next Stephen Jackson or Kelenna Azubuike (I know 'Buike is a G, but it's the same idea.) Those guys were basically cast-offs, before they made the most of an opportunity. You know there are others who fell through the cracks and ended their careers without ever finding the right situation.

The Spurs have a reputation for being shrewd in scouting and evaluating talent. Well if they ever needed it, the time is now.

Rather than picking up a marginal vet, I would kind of like to see them give a young, hungry guy a serious chance to step up. You can't be surprised if you never take a chance, and put that reputation on the line.

If nobody steps up and excels, look for a mid-season trade and push hard to give Tim one more ring.

[spursballer21]

When I said getting Bjelica, it's obviously getting the draft rights to him (Minny has drafted him with the 35th pick).


Allright well elaborate next time. I though you meant getting him for this year. But yeah he's a great prospect 6'10 plays like a guard reminds of Nowitzki or Gallanari.

[Dunc n Dave]

Who besides Parker could we really trade??? I don't think they wan't to trade Hill and Blair, and others've got no trade value.

I'd give up Blair AND Hill (and an expiring like Dyess) if we can get Melo in return. Yes, it depletes the youth on the team, but it loads us up for one last run with Tim. If Parker is involved in the trade, you package Blair with him and a guy like Dyess to make the numbers work.

I like our chances with Parker, Manu, Melo, Duncan, Splitter
or even
Hill, Manu, Melo, Duncan, Splitter is an upgrade over the current roster

[Cane]

I'd imagine the Nuggets would want Splitter in a Melo deal but I don't see that happening for either team.

I do agree that the Spurs probably aren't done making moves since there's still a lot of time in the offseason and the backup SF spot consists of a rookie from college, rookie from the d-league, and SG's.

[ceperez]

I'd give up Blair AND Hill (and an expiring like Dyess) if we can get Melo in return. Yes, it depletes the youth on the team, but it loads us up for one last run with Tim. If Parker is involved in the trade, you package Blair with him and a guy like Dyess to make the numbers work.

I like our chances with Parker, Manu, Melo, Duncan, Splitter
or even
Hill, Manu, Melo, Duncan, Splitter is an upgrade over the current roster

Agree, a Melo trade for rookies and a vet. would be a good.

[8FOR!3]

Cough Nachbar Cough.

And yes, I'd be willing to part with DeJuan Blair, Tony Parker, and Antonio McDyess to get Carmelo Anthony in return, but I still don't know if they'd go for that. It'd take a future 1st for sure. That would be sick though, I just don't see it happening.

George Hill
Manu Ginobili | James Anderson | Gary Neal
Carmelo Anthony | Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Tiago Splitter | Matt Bonner

I don't know, that's still tough. You've got your front three just about set, although you need a backup PG, but what would worry me is the big man depth. Duncan and Splitter are great and all, but Bonner'd be the only guy coming off the bench. If we could get Melo it would have made a lot more sense to go after Shaq.

[admiralsnackbar]

Cough Nachbar Cough.

And yes, I'd be willing to part with DeJuan Blair, Tony Parker, and Antonio McDyess to get Carmelo Anthony in return, but I still don't know if they'd go for that. It'd take a future 1st for sure. That would be sick though, I just don't see it happening.

George Hill
Manu Ginobili | James Anderson | Gary Neal
Carmelo Anthony | Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Tiago Splitter | Matt Bonner

I don't know, that's still tough. You've got your front three just about set, although you need a backup PG, but what would worry me is the big man depth. Duncan and Splitter are great and all, but Bonner'd be the only guy coming off the bench. If we could get Melo it would have made a lot more sense to go after Shaq.

Damn... I might do that for Durant, but Carmello? Hells no.

[Nathan89]

Cough Nachbar Cough.

And yes, I'd be willing to part with DeJuan Blair, Tony Parker, and Antonio McDyess to get Carmelo Anthony in return, but I still don't know if they'd go for that. It'd take a future 1st for sure. That would be sick though, I just don't see it happening.

George Hill
Manu Ginobili | James Anderson | Gary Neal
Carmelo Anthony | Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Tiago Splitter | Matt Bonner

I don't know, that's still tough. You've got your front three just about set, although you need a backup PG, but what would worry me is the big man depth. Duncan and Splitter are great and all, but Bonner'd be the only guy coming off the bench. If we could get Melo it would have made a lot more sense to go after Shaq.

my-keyb0ard-is-damaged

duhncashn-enj0wy-48mihnpergame

[Nathan89]

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:madrun:madrun:madrun

[Leonard Curse]

Exactly, I'll watch as many 76ers games as I can. I'll go to as many home Spurs games as possible and regardless of match ups I will enjoy every game. Understand this, I am a basketball fan first, a 76ers fan second and a Spurs fan third. Being a basketball fan means that I don't dislike any team, I might pull for the Spurs or 76ers to win a certain match up, but in no way would I want a team to do poorly like some Spurs fans feel about the Mavs or Lakers.

It goes on and on. I love the game and my opinions might sound crazy, but whatever I say in one statement can be expressed and explained in several pages of deep thought. Unless of course I am being sarcastic. I personally will not read extremely long posts, so why should I expect any of you to spend your time reading my long posts (this, btw, does not count as a long post. Long posts go on to where you can't see the next 3 posts after yours)?

Anyhow, I have rambled on too much. Good night.


i actually read everyones post even if theyre long and stupid you never know what you may pick up instead of reading certain things that pass your filter. that wasnt a long post that was a healthy one hahaha

[8FOR!3]

my-keyb0ard-is-damaged

duhncashn-enj0wy-48mihnpergame

:lol I didn't mean that as a finalized roster lol, obviously if we made those moves we'd have to sign a couple of bigs to fit in the rotation as well as a back up point guard, I was just pointing out what we'd have with our team as it is right now.

[Leonard Curse]

yall are giving way too much for melo!! this is a guy who gives up when his team is down this is a guy demanding trades to newyork!

first hell never and i mean never come to san antonio, second the only young superstar that would fit here is durant/wade other than that it wouldnt fit with our style and culture here, oh and of course my fav point guard D.Rose, but theyre never leaving their teams so i say brewer too but hasnt that guy been injured 2/3rd of his career ??

i mean thats alot of faith n some very brittle ankles i agree though he is amazing but if you look at his legs theyre more brittle than ian's lol

[howbouthemspurs]

they are done till midseason

[Dunc n Dave]

yall are giving way too much for melo!! this is a guy who gives up when his team is down this is a guy demanding trades to newyork!

first hell never and i mean never come to san antonio, second the only young superstar that would fit here is durant/wade other than that it wouldnt fit with our style and culture here, oh and of course my fav point guard D.Rose, but theyre never leaving their teams so i say brewer too but hasnt that guy been injured 2/3rd of his career ??

i mean thats alot of faith n some very brittle ankles i agree though he is amazing but if you look at his legs theyre more brittle than ian's lol

Everytime I've watched Melo play, he plays with maximum effort and isn't afraid to play in the post (excellent small ball option with Tim at Center) and be aggressive. Yeah, he's hot-headed, but the failure of his team is due more to guys like JR Smith and Kenyon Martin melting down in the clutch. Anthony wants to win andw ould be surrounded by guys he can trust in the clutch with Duncan and Manu (and Parker if he isn't included in a hypothetical trade package).

As for him not coming to SA, he wouldn't have a choice if traded. Obviously the Spurs would want him re-signed to an extension before the trade goes down, but I think they could sell him on a 2-3 year extension so he can play with Manu and Tim and them move on if he doesn't like the direction the team is going post-Duncan.

As of right now, I'm all for sacrificing the future (Blair and Hill) for one last title run for Tim. Blair and Hill are not gonna the next STARS (good players, but not STARS) that lead us to a championship after Tim retires, but Carmelo MIGHT BE.

[Leonard Curse]

Everytime I've watched Melo play, he plays with maximum effort and isn't afraid to play in the post (excellent small ball option with Tim at Center) and be aggressive. Yeah, he's hot-headed, but the failure of his team is due more to guys like JR Smith and Kenyon Martin melting down in the clutch. Anthony wants to win andw ould be surrounded by guys he can trust in the clutch with Duncan and Manu (and Parker if he isn't included in a hypothetical trade package).

As for him not coming to SA, he wouldn't have a choice if traded. Obviously the Spurs would want him re-signed to an extension before the trade goes down, but I think they could sell him on a 2-3 year extension so he can play with Manu and Tim and them move on if he doesn't like the direction the team is going post-Duncan.

As of right now, I'm all for sacrificing the future (Blair and Hill) for one last title run for Tim. Blair and Hill are not gonna the next STARS (good players, but not STARS) that lead us to a championship after Tim retires, but Carmelo MIGHT BE.


good point on the future of our stars, however i give blair 2yrs and hill another year to determine whether or not they can become something special. thats why i say we at least have to see what anderson can bring you never know we got ourselves a high draft pick. i think melo is great dnt get me wrong hes an amazing player but i see him as soft esp n the defensive end, i think if our players knew their roles they would play alot better but last year pop had everyone all over the place it was ridiculous, so w/parker back and healthy and rj having a better understanding of his role i think just that alone can make us very solid, not to mention the addition of TIago its going to be huge for us

[rapliketp]

Kirk Penney's having a good campaign in Turkey. Haven't the Spurs brought him in for workouts in the last few years?

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Tony Parker and Antonio McDyess for Chauncey Billups and Birdman. :D

Yeah that wouldn't be a stupid trade for the Spurs or anything.

[IknowU]

Trade McDyess and someone for Anderson Varejao

I wrecken sideshow flopper would fit perfectly in the spurs system?:hat