Lebron James on the cover of GQ September 2010..

[HarlemHeat37]

A preview:


• James on how a kid could from Akron, located only thirty minutes from Cleveland, could grow up rooting for Chicago and Jordan: "It's not far, but it is far. And Clevelanders, because they were the bigger-city kids when we were growing up, looked down on us.… So we didn't actually like Cleveland. We hated Cleveland growing up. There's a lot of people in Cleveland we still hate to this day."

• James on Cavs owner Dan Gilbert: "I don't think he ever cared about LeBron. My mother always told me: 'You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You'll get a good sense of their character.' Me and my family have seen the character of that man." He went on to say that Gilbert's post-Decision screed "made me feel more comfortable that I made the right decision."

• James on Charles Barkley, who's been hyper-critical of James's decision to share the limelight—and the scoring burden—with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami: "Charles was probably trying to be funny. It wasn't funny to me."

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/08/lebron-james-gq-september-2010-cover.jpg

Look for it in stores now, it could end up being a collector's item IMO..

[Koolaid_Man]

true dat...Collector's item in the National Museum For Eccentric Homo's...

[sefant77]

Yeah Lebron, keep on shooting urself in the foot

[Purch]

"Charles was probably trying to be funny. It wasn't funny to me."


Sounds like he's gonna cry or something.

[PGDynasty24]

Lebron is one ugly-looking dude;no homo.

[xtremesteven33]

lol at rich black athletes dressing like white guys...

[redzero]

lol at rich black athletes dressing like white guys...

How should they dress?

[Koolaid_Man]

A preview:



http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/08/lebron-james-gq-september-2010-cover.jpg

Look for it in stores now, it could end up being a collector's item IMO..

I heard this song was dedicated from Wade to Lebron...Wade is the guy rapping while Lebron is the woman singing the hook:

Real Shit
T_Xro3Cc_xk mPEwLlIeS-U

[Giuseppe]

Looks like Delonte West's piece of ass dressed him.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

• James on Charles Barkley, who's been hyper-critical of James's decision to share the limelight—and the scoring burden—with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami: "Charles was probably trying to be funny. It wasn't funny to me."

Cliff Notes:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3151/3074315863_8a78a77bcb_o.jpg

[BRHornet45]

sons I figured they would have him swinging from a tree holding a sexy, blonde white woman in his arms .... oh wait.

[BRHornet45]

I'm willing to bet they didn't tell him the inspiration of that last cover. It fit him well though.

son I'm willing to bet that Lebron can't even read

[Venti Quattro]

That vest and pants are butt-ugly. Stick to the coat and tie please!

[DJ Mbenga]

DJ Mbenga doesnt approve of lebrons third person

[LkrFan]

Shouldn't this fraud be working on his midrange game? Or a consistent jumper? How about his post game? It's a damn shame to be 6'8" and 270lbs with no post game. (Kobe has all of the above and then some BTW - and he has had it for years :toast). Instead of working on his game, he is posing for pictures and doing interviews about shit no one gives a crap about. How is any of that shit going to get him win the 7 championships he promised during the cHeat's pep rally? :lol

[Ace]

Shouldn't this fraud be working on his midrange game? Or a consistent jumper? How about his post game? It's a damn shame to be 6'8" and 270lbs with no post game. (Kobe has all of the above and then some BTW - and he has had it for years :toast). Instead of working on his game, he is posing for pictures and doing interviews about shit no one gives a crap about. How is any of that shit going to get him win the 7 championships he promised during the cHeat's pep rally? :lol

Kobe has had a post game for years? Poor Mav fan so much butthurt....

[HarlemHeat37]

Lebron is one ugly-looking dude;no homo.

Lebron is pretty handsome, TBH..


lol at rich black athletes dressing like white guys...

Huh?..did you want him to wear rags and sagging jeans?..


That vest and pants are butt-ugly. Stick to the coat and tie please!

I disagree..Lebron has been voted one of the best dressed men on the planet, he knows style..choosing to go with such a variety of different looks shows confidence IMO..


Shouldn't this fraud be working on his midrange game? Or a consistent jumper? How about his post game? It's a damn shame to be 6'8" and 270lbs with no post game. (Kobe has all of the above and then some BTW - and he has had it for years :toast). Instead of working on his game, he is posing for pictures and doing interviews about shit no one gives a crap about. How is any of that shit going to get him win the 7 championships he promised during the cHeat's pep rally? :lol

I know you aren't the smartest guy around, but I've already shown you that Lebron has a good post-up game, I provided you facts that prove that he has a good post-up game..you argued back with nothing, literally nothing..he's also a better 3-point shooter than Kobe, so I don't know why you would go there..

:lol @ you wanting athletes to focus on their work 24/7..you're just like Dan Gilbert, TBH..

[cobbler]

I know you aren't the smartest guy around, but I've already shown you that Lebron has a good post-up game, I provided you facts that prove that he has a good post-up game..you argued back with nothing, literally nothing..he's also a better 3-point shooter than Kobe, so I don't know why you would go there..



It is well know and stated around the league from coaches to players to scouts to analysts and any fan that actually watches the games that Lebron, for the atheletic abilities he was god given, has not developed or worked on a solid post game. He's a one trick poney. Face up and overpower the opponent.

And you can call out people all you want for their intelligence but last time I looked.... A 14 year career 3pt avg of .340 is better than a 7 year career avg of .329.

I imagine... that's why he would go there moron. :lol

[PublicOption]

VIe23C1NvU4

[SomeCallMeTim]

How should they dress?

http://cdn.concreteloop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kobe2.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

It is well know and stated around the league from coaches to players to scouts to analysts and any fan that actually watches the games that Lebron, for the atheletic abilities he was god given, has not developed or worked on a solid post game. He's a one trick poney. Face up and overpower the opponent.

And you can call out people all you want for their intelligence but last time I looked.... A 14 year career 3pt avg of .340 is better than a 7 year career avg of .329.

I imagine... that's why he would go there moron. :lol

Um, I have the same scouting videos and stats that the NBA guys use, and I've already posted Lebron's post-up numbers here..he shot 53% in post-up situations this season, one of the highest marks in the NBA..aesthetics doesn't equal effectiveness..you literally can't argue with these numbers, I don't know what you could possibly come up with to argue here:lol..especially since your arguments are always very poor, and they're always done by using unprovable and unquantifiable points..

Lebron in 2010: 33% from 3s on 387 attempts..
Kobe in 2010: 32.9% from 3s on 301 attempts..

Lebron is a better 3-point shooter, fact..

[Chieflion]

LMAO Laker fan criticizing what LeBron wears when Kobe posed in that white piece of trash garment making him look gay.

[Cleveland Steamer]

f--- that poser.

[TinTin]

Um, I have the same scouting videos and stats that the NBA guys use, and I've already posted Lebron's post-up numbers here..he shot 53% in post-up situations this season, one of the highest marks in the NBA..aesthetics doesn't equal effectiveness..you literally can't argue with these numbers, I don't know what you could possibly come up with to argue here:lol..especially since your arguments are always very poor, and they're always done by using unprovable and unquantifiable points..

Lebron in 2010: 33% from 3s on 387 attempts..
Kobe in 2010: 32.9% from 3s on 301 attempts..

Lebron is a better 3-point shooter, fact..

No knock on lebron but isn't kobe edging out lebron if someone had to take a clutch 3 pointer. That still doesn't change the fact that kobe went through a lot of chucking this year

When did the story come out of kobe developing a post game?

[LkrFan]

Lebron is pretty handsome - I've seen him naked too (sorry no pics - just trust me :wow).

^WTF? I figured it out: LeHype -->:married:<--HarlemHo :rollin

I know you aren't the smartest guy around, but I've already shown you that Lebron has a good post-up game, I provided you facts that prove that he has a good post-up game..you argued back with nothing, literally nothing..he's also a better 3-point shooter than Kobe, so I don't know why you would go there..

:lol @ you wanting athletes to focus on their work 24/7..you're just like Dan Gilbert, TBH..

Kobe works on his craft more than anybody in the league. His workouts are legendary. He's had HOFers like the Dream praising his work ethic. Don't go there - you don't know WTH you are talking about. Kobe's work ethic should never ever be questioned.

[cobbler]

Um, I have the same scouting videos and stats that the NBA guys use, and I've already posted Lebron's post-up numbers here..he shot 53% in post-up situations this season, one of the highest marks in the NBA..aesthetics doesn't equal effectiveness..you literally can't argue with these numbers, I don't know what you could possibly come up with to argue here:lol..especially since your arguments are always very poor, and they're always done by using unprovable and unquantifiable points..

Lebron in 2010: 33% from 3s on 387 attempts..
Kobe in 2010: 32.9% from 3s on 301 attempts..

Lebron is a better 3-point shooter, fact..

One year? So you are saying one years stat trumps carrer stats. You are making yourself look like the fool we all know you to be. :lmao

I showed you the provable and quantifiable career numbers for 3 pt % and Kobe is the better 3pt shooter. FACT.

Shooting 53% in post up situations. if that is even a real number in no way states he has a good post up game. Like I said, when he is isolated in the post he simply faces up and overpowers the opponent due to his size and atheletic abilities. Not to mention the refs turning a blind eye to his constant traveling in the lane. He is after all the crab dribbler. Imagine if he developed post moves like MJ, Kobe, Mchale, Akeem etc. He would be unstoppable. Just because he can score from the post area in no way shape or form implies that he has a good post game and as usual the majority of fans and knowledgable basketball people disagree with YOU. Go figure...

[HarlemHeat37]

When have I ever questioned Kobe's work ethic?..

[HarlemHeat37]

One year? So you are saying one years stat trumps carrer stats. You are making yourself look like the fool we all know you to be. :lmao

I'm using the shooting %s from this past season, for obvious reasons..those are the latest shooting %s we've seen from Kobe and Lebron..


I showed you the provable and quantifiable career numbers for 3 pt % and Kobe is the better 3pt shooter. FACT.

Ok..I'll show you Shaq's career numbers vs. Pau Gasol's career numbers, and you tell me which player is currently better at certain things..


Shooting 53% in post up situations. if that is even a real number in no way states he has a good post up game. Like I said, when he is isolated in the post he simply faces up and overpowers the opponent due to his size and atheletic abilities. Not to mention the refs turning a blind eye to his constant traveling in the lane. He is after all the crab dribbler. Imagine if he developed post moves like MJ, Kobe, Mchale, Akeem etc. He would be unstoppable. Just because he can score from the post area in no way shape or form implies that he has a good post game and as usual the majority of fans and knowledgable basketball people disagree with YOU. Go figure

:lol I don't understand this argument..isn't effectiveness all that matters?..what else could possibly matter?..why does aesthetics have to come in to play here?..

If a guy shoots 53% from the post, one of the highest marks for a perimeter player in the entire NBA, he's obviously doing something right..I don't see how it's arguable in any way, it's a fucking fact:lol..there's literally nothing anybody can say to dispute this..

I don't give a fuck if a guy has amazing footwork and counter move after counter move in the post..all I care about is how effective he is, obviously, which is the only thing anybody should care about..Lebron has shown that he's very effective in the post, fact..

[scanry]

lol at rich black athletes dressing like white guys...


Should they dress like slaves then? :rolleyes

[DeadlyDynasty]

Should they dress like slaves then? :rolleyes

Yes, b/c LBJ is apparently a multi-million dollar slave according to some people:rolleyes

[HarlemHeat37]

Lebron was treated like a slave by Dan Gilbert..

[cobbler]

I'm using the shooting %s from this past season, for obvious reasons..those are the latest shooting %s we've seen from Kobe and Lebron..

And it in no way determines who is the better 3 point shooter. That you can even try to justify this pathetic attempt to skew facts is even below you normal moronic takes.




Ok..I'll show you Shaq's career numbers vs. Pau Gasol's career numbers, and you tell me which player is currently better at certain things..

You didnt say Lebron was the best 3 pt shooter this year. You said flat out he is the best 3 point shooter between the two. But let's use your logic and say the same thing then and make the blanket statement....

Pau is the greater player between him and Shaq.

You twist everything and think you actaully have made some point or something when all you do is again you look the fool. I imagaine its how you justify Lebrons 0-for life.




:lol I don't understand this argument..isn't effectiveness all that matters?..what else could possibly matter?..why does aesthetics have to come in to play here?..

I never said he wasn't effective. Show me where I did. I said, Imagine if he really worked and created a post game with more than one move. I even stated he would be unstoppable. Not a lot different than Shaq. Never felt he had to improve and develop due to his freakish physical attributes.

The point is... he could be so much better and his post game is very limited.


If a guy shoots 53% from the post, one of the highest marks for a perimeter player in the entire NBA, he's obviously doing something right..I don't see how it's arguable in any way, it's a fucking fact:lol..there's literally nothing anybody can say to dispute this..

Who disputed it? Why are you so defensive? He has a limited post game and if he worked on it he woould be that much better. He doesn't. Just accept it and move on.



I don't give a fuck if a guy has amazing footwork and counter move after counter move in the post..all I care about is how effective he is, obviously, which is the only thing anybody should care about..Lebron has shown that he's very effective in the post, fact..

So... you dont think he would be MORE effective if he had better moves? It's been discussed ad naseum that he has never developed an "overall" post game. Come on Ho... even you can't be this stupid. Then again....

And I dont give a fuck if a guy shoots 10% or 60%. I care about titles and that's something Lebron SUCKS at. And maybe if he spent the time developing his game instead of pre game spoofs and dancing routines he would have shot 55% and actually advanced in the playoffs.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Lebron was treated like a slave by Dan Gilbert..

I love you

[Basketballgirl25]

Look for it in stores now, it could end up being a collector's item IMO..

a collectors item?:lol

Well that's one collectors item I won't be getting. I'll stick to not reading about players and stick to reading about the more important stuff like cd's, bands, concerts and all that great stuff, which has more down to earth people and people who will give you the time of day.:toast

[JamStone]

Kobe shot 34.3% from three point range for 2009-10.

LeBron shot 34.1% from three point range for 2009-10.

[21_Blessings]

Kobe shot 34.3% from three point range for 2009-10 with multiple fractured fingers on his shooting hand

[JamStone]

You don't have to qualify anything.

Last season, Kobe was still a better three point shooter than LeBron. It's fact.

[TheMACHINE]

Lebron was treated like a slave by Dan Gilbert..

was he the most pretty handsome slave ever?

[Basketballgirl25]

Lebron was treated like a slave by Dan Gilbert..

So Lebron was treated like a slave? Well if he was tell me where to sign up I want the kind of money he makes:toast

[Killakobe81]

Lebron is pretty handsome, TBH..



Huh?..did you want him to wear rags and sagging jeans?..



I disagree..Lebron has been voted one of the best dressed men on the planet, he knows style..choosing to go with such a variety of different looks shows confidence IMO..



I know you aren't the smartest guy around, but I've already shown you that Lebron has a good post-up game, I provided you facts that prove that he has a good post-up game..you argued back with nothing, literally nothing..he's also a better 3-point shooter than Kobe, so I don't know why you would go there..

:lol @ you wanting athletes to focus on their work 24/7..you're just like Dan Gilbert, TBH..

SERIOUSLY did you just post that? I am not saying you CAN'T post or say that another man is handsome and be "straight" but after posting all this "mancrush" love about Lebron's game and to post that he is handsome?

I think that Lebron should be worried that he is eminem and you are "stan".
For real though tone it down some. We know you a Lebron fan, but have some dignity ...

[Killakobe81]

Um, I have the same scouting videos and stats that the NBA guys use, and I've already posted Lebron's post-up numbers here..he shot 53% in post-up situations this season, one of the highest marks in the NBA..aesthetics doesn't equal effectiveness..you literally can't argue with these numbers, I don't know what you could possibly come up with to argue here:lol..especially since your arguments are always very poor, and they're always done by using unprovable and unquantifiable points..

Lebron in 2010: 33% from 3s on 387 attempts..
Kobe in 2010: 32.9% from 3s on 301 attempts..

Lebron is a better 3-point shooter, fact..

LOL better 3 point shooter and Post-game? LMAO watch the game dont just bury your head in stats ...
Now if you said he finishes at the rim better (drives, posts and dunks included) than i would agree 100%

[Venti Quattro]

was he the most pretty handsome slave ever?

Pretty sure he's also the best-dressed slave.

[cobbler]

Pretty sure he's also the best-dressed slave.

It's very difficult to see the shackles under the 3,000 dollar suits! :toast

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe shot 34.3% from three point range for 2009-10.

LeBron shot 34.1% from three point range for 2009-10.

I don't like using playoff sample sizes, because the overall playoffs is a quarter of the regular season, assuming you make it all the way to the Finals..I don't mind if you use it in the argument though, it doesn't really change anything..

The fact that there's a 0.2 different in Kobe and Lebron's outside shooting, yet Kobe is praised for his outside shooting and Lebron is criticized for his, speaks volumes on the false perception..they're about the same as outside shooters, so I don't know why people keep criticizing Lebron for his shooting and praising Kobe..


So Lebron was treated like a slave? Well if he was tell me where to sign up I want the kind of money he makes:toast

Money has little to do with it..Lebron has dignity, it's not all about money..come on bballgirl, stop being so shallow..


SERIOUSLY did you just post that? I am not saying you CAN'T post or say that another man is handsome and be "straight" but after posting all this "mancrush" love about Lebron's game and to post that he is handsome?

I think that Lebron should be worried that he is eminem and you are "stan".
For real though tone it down some. We know you a Lebron fan, but have some dignity ...

I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality that I can say that another man is handsome..


LOL better 3 point shooter and Post-game? LMAO watch the game dont just bury your head in stats ...
Now if you said he finishes at the rim better (drives, posts and dunks included) than i would agree 100%

I feel like Lebron is a slightly better 3-point shooter, but either way, they're about the same..as for post-up game, I never said Lebron had a better post-up game than Kobe, I said I feel like Kobe's is slightly better, which is proven..

Huh?..my stats come directly from watching the games..they're based on every situation in which a player is involved in, and in this case, we're talking about post-up plays..

[Killakobe81]

I don't like using playoff sample sizes, because the overall playoffs is a quarter of the regular season, assuming you make it all the way to the Finals..I don't mind if you use it in the argument though, it doesn't really change anything..

The fact that there's a 0.2 different in Kobe and Lebron's outside shooting, yet Kobe is praised for his outside shooting and Lebron is criticized for his, speaks volumes on the false perception..they're about the same as outside shooters, so I don't know why people keep criticizing Lebron for his shooting and praising Kobe..



Money has little to do with it..Lebron has dignity, it's not all about money..come on bballgirl, stop being so shallow..



I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality that I can say that another man is handsome..



I feel like Lebron is a slightly better 3-point shooter, but either way, they're about the same..as for post-up game, I never said Lebron had a better post-up game than Kobe, I said I feel like Kobe's is slightly better, which is proven..

Huh?..my stats come directly from watching the games..they're based on every situation in which a player is involved in, and in this case, we're talking about post-up plays..

I could care less if your sexuality is a sweet as alize or project kool-aid... All i'm saying is that you have become way to infatuated with Lebron, when you are saying that he is "quite handsome". I can respect arguing the bball part, but why would you care if some haters call Lebron ugly? Like i posted in another thread ...when you are not hating you are a good poster and i know you like to troll, but the Lebron love Kobe hate thing is starting to get a bit creepy especially the love you shower lebbron with daily on here

[DJ Mbenga]

harlem's schtick is getting boring

[HarlemHeat37]

My comment about Lebron being handsome was in response to a poster calling him ugly..why is it acceptable for somebody to call a man ugly, but not acceptable to call him handsome?..

[Killakobe81]

My comment about Lebron being handsome was in response to a poster calling him ugly..why is it acceptable for somebody to call a man ugly, but not acceptable to call him handsome?..

LOL Im not picking sides here, just askiing why do you care so much?
Before, i used to defend the Kobe is a rapist stuff ...Now? ICCL ... Kobe is a ball player and is not dating my sister.
Personally i think Lebron is ugly ...but he can get way more women than me because of money, success and his physique ...so who cares, he probably turns down woman finer than the best looking chick i have ever been with ..
So what does it matter if he is ugly or not? that money looks pretty damn sexy to lot's women ...and he has a body builders physique ...

[JamStone]

I don't like using playoff sample sizes, because the overall playoffs is a quarter of the regular season, assuming you make it all the way to the Finals..I don't mind if you use it in the argument though, it doesn't really change anything..

The fact that there's a 0.2 different in Kobe and Lebron's outside shooting, yet Kobe is praised for his outside shooting and Lebron is criticized for his, speaks volumes on the false perception..they're about the same as outside shooters, so I don't know why people keep criticizing Lebron for his shooting and praising Kobe..

It's not "just" the playoff sample sizes. It's the playoffs + regular season. Makes for a pretty big sample size. There's no reason not to consider the playoffs three point shooting, not by themselves, but along with the regular season three point shooting. The playoffs are part of the season, and most would agree that playoff stats are more genuine because it's better competition and teams are playing harder and better defensively.

If you add the three point shooting of both the regular season and the playoffs, Kobe was a better three point shooter last year than LeBron. Of course, unless you approach it the way LeBron approaches winning, and you simply want to pretend the playoffs don't count.


At any rate, it's disappointing to see you use a "stats only" argument as non-refutable proof. As with most things when analyzing and evaluating basketball, you cannot simply rely on stats. They often help, but they don't always tell the entire story. Take for example Arron Afflalo's three point shooting last season. He shot 43.4% from three point range with a healthy 249 attempts. I'm sorry but Arron Afflalo is not a better three point shooter than guys like Steve Nash, JJ Redick, Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki, and Anthony Parker. His stats were better last year. But you also have to factor in that Afflalo almost always only shot a three point attempt when his feet were set, spotting up in the corner and from a pass. He rarely, I'd be surprised if ever, created the three point shot off the dribble in an isolation. I doubt he ever took a bad three point attempt as far as being defended unless the shot clock was winding down. His great three point shooting percentage last season does not mean he's a better three point shooter than Steve Nash. It's poor Hollinger statistical analysis and evaluation to only look at the stats to come to that conclusion without understanding that other variables factor in.

Kobe is a better three point shooter than LeBron, despite what last season's numbers say, whether they were close or not.

[cobbler]

It's not "just" the playoff sample sizes. It's the playoffs + regular season. Makes for a pretty big sample size. There's no reason not to consider the playoffs three point shooting, not by themselves, but along with the regular season three point shooting. The playoffs are part of the season, and most would agree that playoff stats are more genuine because it's better competition and teams are playing harder and better defensively.

If you add the three point shooting of both the regular season and the playoffs, Kobe was a better three point shooter last year than LeBron. Of course, unless you approach it the way LeBron approaches winning, and you simply want to pretend the playoffs don't count.


At any rate, it's disappointing to see you use a "stats only" argument as non-refutable proof. As with most things when analyzing and evaluating basketball, you cannot simply rely on stats. They often help, but they don't always tell the entire story. Take for example Arron Afflalo's three point shooting last season. He shot 43.4% from three point range with a healthy 249 attempts. I'm sorry but Arron Afflalo is not a better three point shooter than guys like Steve Nash, JJ Redick, Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki, and Anthony Parker. His stats were better last year. But you also have to factor in that Afflalo almost always only shot a three point attempt when his feet were set, spotting up in the corner and from a pass. He rarely, I'd be surprised if ever, created the three point shot off the dribble in an isolation. I doubt he ever took a bad three point attempt as far as being defended unless the shot clock was winding down. His great three point shooting percentage last season does not mean he's a better three point shooter than Steve Nash. It's poor Hollinger statistical analysis and evaluation to only look at the stats to come to that conclusion without understanding that other variables factor in.

Kobe is a better three point shooter than LeBron, despite what last season's numbers say, whether they were close or not.

Jam with the goods again! And there is no argument Hoboy can use to refute the post. And to top it all. Jam's gold medal trumps the silver! :lol

[LkrFan]

The fact that there's a 0.2 different in Kobe and Lebron's outside shooting, yet Kobe is praised for his outside shooting and Lebron is criticized for his, speaks volumes on the false perception..they're about the same as outside shooters, so I don't know why people keep criticizing Lebron for his shooting and praising Kobe..

Player A makes 35/100 3ptrs for a respectable 35%
Player B makes 350/1000 3ptrs for the same average

A mild exaggeration on my part, but it illustrates that Player A appears to be as accurate as Player B even though he doesn't take as many 3ptrs.

Conclusion: Player B takes markedly more 3ptrs than Player A to get the same average. Wouldn't you conclude that Player B really is the better shooter because of the much larger sample size?

In academics I would be more impressed with someone scoring a 90 when he or she had a 100 question examination than someone else who scored a 90 because he or she missed 1 out of 10 on a different exam.

In other words, don't let your hate for Kobe cloud your judgment. I would like to see LeHype's averages if he took the same amount of 3s as Kobe, took the same amount of "bail out" shots as Kobe, or the same end of the quarter 45' 3 pointers as Kobe. If that happens and the averages are close then you are right. Until then, STFU about LeHype being on Kobe's level as a shooter. Kobe is the better shooter of the two. Period. Even LeHype would admit it.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

No need to bash HH37 here, everyone else is doing a fine job owing him.

Old site, just for fun: http://ihatelebronjames.com/oldwebsite/index.html

[Chieflion]

Player A makes 35/100 3ptrs for a respectable 35%
Player B makes 350/1000 3ptrs for the same average

A mild exaggeration on my part, but it illustrates that Player A appears to be as accurate as Player B even though he doesn't take as many 3ptrs.

Conclusion: Player B takes markedly more 3ptrs than Player A to get the same average. Wouldn't you conclude that Player B really is the better shooter because of the much larger sample size?

In academics I would be more impressed with someone scoring a 90 when he or she had a 100 question examination than someone else who scored a 90 because he or she missed 1 out of 10 on a different exam.

In other words, don't let your hate for Kobe cloud your judgment. I would like to see LeHype's averages if he took the same amount of 3s as Kobe, took the same amount of "bail out" shots as Kobe, or the same end of the quarter 45' 3 pointers as Kobe. If that happens and the averages are close then you are right. Until then, STFU about LeHype being on Kobe's level as a shooter. Kobe is the better shooter of the two. Period. Even LeHype would admit it.

Last season, LeBron James took and made more 3s than Kobe Bryant. LeBron James took 5.1 three point shots per game while Kobe Bryant took 4.1 three point shots.

Your long post actually makes an argument for LeBron James being a better 3 point shooter than Kobe Bryant last season because their percentage is roughly the same.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's not "just" the playoff sample sizes. It's the playoffs + regular season. Makes for a pretty big sample size. There's no reason not to consider the playoffs three point shooting, not by themselves, but along with the regular season three point shooting. The playoffs are part of the season, and most would agree that playoff stats are more genuine because it's better competition and teams are playing harder and better defensively.

Ok, we'll include playoff stats..


At any rate, it's disappointing to see you use a "stats only" argument as non-refutable proof. As with most things when analyzing and evaluating basketball, you cannot simply rely on stats. They often help, but they don't always tell the entire story. Take for example Arron Afflalo's three point shooting last season. He shot 43.4% from three point range with a healthy 249 attempts. I'm sorry but Arron Afflalo is not a better three point shooter than guys like Steve Nash, JJ Redick, Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki, and Anthony Parker. His stats were better last year. But you also have to factor in that Afflalo almost always only shot a three point attempt when his feet were set, spotting up in the corner and from a pass. He rarely, I'd be surprised if ever, created the three point shot off the dribble in an isolation. I doubt he ever took a bad three point attempt as far as being defended unless the shot clock was winding down. His great three point shooting percentage last season does not mean he's a better three point shooter than Steve Nash. It's poor Hollinger statistical analysis and evaluation to only look at the stats to come to that conclusion without understanding that other variables factor in.

Kobe is a better three point shooter than LeBron, despite what last season's numbers say, whether they were close or not.

Except, using the logic you just displayed, Lebron would be the better 3-point shooter than Kobe..the only thing you have going for you here is Kobe's 0.2% advantage, which is obviously strictly relying on stats, which you just dismissed..

The difference for the entire year was 0.2 in Kobe's favor..however, you're using the logic that the difficulty of the shot should be factored in, which would give Lebron the advantage..

Kobe Bryant took 256 spot-up jump shots last season, meaning mostly open shots..a 129 of those shots were 3-pointers, where he shot 40%, by far his highest mark for any kind of scenario..

Lebron James only received a 162 spot-up jump shots, almost a 100 less than Kobe, obviously due to the responsibility he had in the offense..Lebron took 89 of them and shot 35% off of these spot-up 3s..

Isolation 3s, which obviously come off the dribble and are generally much more difficult shots, as you mentioned, give Lebron a significant advantage..

Kobe took a 118 isolation 3-pointers this season, making 32% of them, clearly showing Kobe's deteriorating skills in regards to creating his own offense..Lebron took a 158 of them, 40 more, and made 36% of them..according to your logic, which is fair, this clearly should be factored into the argument, giving Lebron the clear advantage..

Kobe took 47 pick and roll 3-pointers and made 36% of them..Lebron took 88 of them and made 36% of them..another advantage for Lebron in a scenario where he has to create his own shot, they shot the same %, despite Lebron taking 40 more shots..

Literally Kobe's only 3-point advantage over Lebron comes in the form of spot-up shooting..so you attempted to use that as a counter-argument, yet you just helped Lebron's case, TBH..these stats include the playoffs, BTW..

So there was a 0.2 difference in Kobe and Lebron's 3-point shooting this season, yet Lebron received 40 less spot-up 3s, and obviously had much more responsibility in the offense..he clearly took more difficult 3s, as he had to take 81 more 3-point attempts than Kobe, where he had to create his own 3-point shot..

So overall, off the dribble/creating own offense:

Kobe shot 33% from 3s
Lebron shot 36% from 3s

This is despite the fact that Lebron took around 80 more shots in these situations..if he took around the same as Kobe, his % advantage obviously would have been much greater..

As Chieflion said, they shot basically the same %, despite Lebron taking more 3-point attempts..also, as I just proved, Lebron had to create off the dribble A LOT more than Kobe did, which like you said, should be factored in..

Of course, you can counter by saying that this doesn't necessarily prove that he's always taking more difficult shots than Kobe, which is partly true, but it's much more proof than you can possibly provide for this argument, TBH..


As for your Afflalo example, the numbers back this up too, so you're correct about using it..he only created 5 3-point shots for himself all season long, so obviously it should be factored in, unlike Nash and others, guys that took tons of 3-point shots off the dribble..unfortunately for you, your argument hurts your case here in the case of Lebron vs. Kobe..

For example, Steve Nash shot 43% from 3s in scenarios where he had to create off the dribble, these numbers are a pretty accurate gauge for comparisons..


Last season, LeBron James took and made more 3s than Kobe Bryant. LeBron James took 5.1 three point shots per game while Kobe Bryant took 4.1 three point shots.

Your long post actually makes an argument for LeBron James being a better 3 point shooter than Kobe Bryant last season because their percentage is roughly the same.

:lol I've honestly never seen anybody argue so poorly, he's so bad..go easy on him Chief..

[LkrFan]

Last season, LeBron James took and made more 3s than Kobe Bryant. LeBron James took 5.1 three point shots per game while Kobe Bryant took 4.1 three point shots.

Your long post actually makes an argument for LeBron James being a better 3 point shooter than Kobe Bryant last season because their percentage is roughly the same.
Kobe holds the NBA record for 3ptrs in a game: 12. That's more than Bird, Reggie Miller, Chuck Person, Ray Allen, MJ, etc. Kobe played this year with multiple broken fingers on his shooting hand. He should have sat out with surgery. Instead, he changed his shooting form - during the season - then went on to win another ring.

Don't let that stat shit fool you. Kobe is a better shooter than LeHype. Stop kidding yourself.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jam with the goods again! And there is no argument Hoboy can use to refute the post. And to top it all. Jam's gold medal trumps the silver! :lol


Maybe you can do the honors of letting HarlemHo know the difference between NBA fantasy basketball debating and NBA live action debating.

:lol do you guys ever NOT piggyback when it comes to actual basketball arguments?..

I've never seen a fanbase piggy back on a fan of a different team like ST Laker fans do with Jamstone..he pretty much has to carry the entire Laker fanbase with his arguments..

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe holds the NBA record for 3ptrs in a game: 12. That's more than Bird, Reggie Miller, Chuck Person, Ray Allen, MJ, etc.

So does Donyell Marshall..

[LkrFan]

So does Donyell Marshall..
Whatever - LeHype won't ever get it.

[Chieflion]

So does Donyell Marshall..

:lol

What is the website you used to get all those situational stats from?

[JamStone]

Ok, we'll include playoff stats..



Except, using the logic you just displayed, Lebron would be the better 3-point shooter than Kobe..the only thing you have going for you here is Kobe's 0.2% advantage, which is obviously strictly relying on stats, which you just dismissed..

The difference for the entire year was 0.2 in Kobe's favor..however, you're using the logic that the difficulty of the shot should be factored in, which would give Lebron the advantage..

Kobe Bryant took 256 spot-up jump shots last season, meaning mostly open shots..a 129 of those shots were 3-pointers, where he shot 40%, by far his highest mark for any kind of scenario..

Lebron James only received a 162 spot-up jump shots, almost a 100 less than Kobe, obviously due to the responsibility he had in the offense..Lebron took 89 of them and shot 35% off of these spot-up 3s..

Isolation 3s, which obviously come off the dribble and are generally much more difficult shots, as you mentioned, give Lebron a significant advantage..

Kobe took a 118 isolation 3-pointers this season, making 32% of them, clearly showing Kobe's deteriorating skills in regards to creating his own offense..Lebron took a 158 of them, 40 more, and made 36% of them..according to your logic, which is fair, this clearly should be factored into the argument, giving Lebron the clear advantage..

Kobe took 47 pick and roll 3-pointers and made 36% of them..Lebron took 88 of them and made 36% of them..another advantage for Lebron in a scenario where he has to create his own shot, they shot the same %, despite Lebron taking 40 more shots..

Literally Kobe's only 3-point advantage over Lebron comes in the form of spot-up shooting..so you attempted to use that as a counter-argument, yet you just helped Lebron's case, TBH..these stats include the playoffs, BTW..

So there was a 0.2 difference in Kobe and Lebron's 3-point shooting this season, yet Lebron received 40 less spot-up 3s, and obviously had much more responsibility in the offense..he clearly took more difficult 3s, as he had to take 81 more 3-point attempts than Kobe, where he had to create his own 3-point shot..

So overall, off the dribble/creating own offense:

Kobe shot 33% from 3s
Lebron shot 36% from 3s

This is despite the fact that Lebron took around 80 more shots in these situations..if he took around the same as Kobe, his % advantage obviously would have been much greater..

As Chieflion said, they shot basically the same %, despite Lebron taking more 3-point attempts..also, as I just proved, Lebron had to create off the dribble A LOT more than Kobe did, which like you said, should be factored in..

Of course, you can counter by saying that this doesn't necessarily prove that he's always taking more difficult shots than Kobe, which is partly true, but it's much more proof than you can possibly provide for this argument, TBH..


As for your Afflalo example, the numbers back this up too, so you're correct about using it..he only created 5 3-point shots for himself all season long, so obviously it should be factored in, unlike Nash and others, guys that took tons of 3-point shots off the dribble..unfortunately for you, your argument hurts your case here in the case of Lebron vs. Kobe..

For example, Steve Nash shot 43% from 3s in scenarios where he had to create off the dribble, these numbers are a pretty accurate gauge for comparisons..

Good post. Lol I thought mogrovejo stopped posting.

Much more compelling argument than simply posting the regular season three point percentages of one season and claiming it as "fact."

I'll assume all of those selected situational stats from last year are accurate. Do they include playoff situational stats too? At any rate, if they're all accurate, I have no problem acquiescing that LeBron was a better three point shooter than Kobe last season.

My post was more geared towards you simply using one regular season where the difference was negligible to support your argument, and then you want to dwell on how little of a difference there is when you add the playoff stats into the equation. So when the really small difference was in favor of LeBron, you simply concluded it as "fact" but when the small difference was in favor of Kobe, you criticized it for being only a small difference.

Regardless, it was really good statistical info. LeBron was a better three point shooter than Kobe last season. I'd still take Kobe's jumper of LeBron's. And as chieflion asked, would like to know where you got your mogro three point stats.

[cobbler]

Just watch the games, son. You don't need a website to tell you what players are good and what players aren''t.

HO does. He wouldn't know what a basketball game is if he didn't have a stat sheet to dwell on. He's like that guy at the end of the bench. Never gets to play and when he does immediatly runs to the scorers table to get his stats. We all have played with them. Then they bitch and complain all the time cause they just cant understand why the coach doesn't play them more. They just never seem to realize they don't have what it takes because there is soooo much more to a game than stats. They fade away like all other losers. That is if they ever made the team. The guys that never make the teams (Ho) sit in their armchairs and scour stat sheets and pretend they know what it truly takes to be a basketball player. Those who know the game don't need stats to determine who the better players are.

[TheMACHINE]

mogrove must have gave harlemho his password to the NBA advanced stats site.