Tiago v Team USA

[SequSpur]

to play in the summer bullshit games but it's not for parker, manu, and timmay?

Aren't the Spurs paying Splitter?

Dude isn't very good...you all are jacked up high for no reason...typical Popsniffer fans...

[Solid D]

yeah, plus it's another guy from south of the border coming across and causing a burden on the US taxpayers.

[Leonard Curse]

yeah, plus it's another guy from south of the border coming across and causing a burden on the US taxpayers.


yeah but hes white so its okay its not from what direction its the shade of skin!! canada has a rent a cop working their border lines but mexico has navy seals and rangers make sense yet?

[DesignatedT]

Dude isn't very good...you all are jacked up high for no reason...typical Popsniffer fans...

guy is going to make 3 mil a year.... I don't understand why everyone keeps saying this. Nobody is making him out to be the next Tim Duncan hence he didn't get more money.

[Leonard Curse]

@SEQU even though your toying with us ill answer its cause pop hasnt conditioned his brain yet, see hes thinking the spurs are so nice and lovely until he starts watching video then pop starts the conditioning process and slowly gets them not to do that anymore! or maybe its because hes younger haha

[Rito3d30]

When Splitter playing those pick n roll
I can already see Manu smiling:toast

[rayray2k8]

U mad little man?

[TJastal]

He's young and healthy now, is why. Give him 3 years in the PopnBonner system and he'll be ground to dust with all sorts of knee & ankle issues and needing all his summers off just to be able to limp into training camp

[DynastySpurs210]

Hungry? Grab a Snickers!

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[gospursgojas]

guy is going to make 3 mil a year.... I don't understand why everyone keeps saying this. Nobody is making him out to be the next Tim Duncan hence he didn't get more money.

By nobody, do you mean everybody on this forum???

I wasn't too impressed with Tiago's offense today, but his D was good. Working with a world class coaching staff/players should do him good.

[Russo21]

Not a bad game from our boy Splitter today against some pretty stiff competition in team USA. I was at work so unfortunately didn't get to watch it, if anyone saw it how did he look? His stat line seems pretty good against NBA Ballers but productivity goes beyond the stat line....

30 minutes
13 points on 50%
10 rebounds
3 assists
2 steals
1 block

Production like that would mark the best stats by a Spurs centre since the Admiral set sail by far! Great stuff by Tiago. If he could produce like that for us the Twin Towers will be back in action. Anyone have any specific notes about Tiago from this game? Passing, post D, pick n roll D? Yes i did notice a few to many turnovers... Can't wait to see him in silver and black:flag:

[Halberto]

He will have no trouble scoring or defending, but don't expect him to pull down anything more than 8 boards a game.

[20beastie45]

I agree with 100%. Unfortunately not everyone thinks so. It seemed like he found an opening slipping the pick and roll. I can't wait to see Parker and Ginobili getting the ball through those tight spaces. the brazilian back court didn't see it. Splitter and Duncan are going to be starting together at the end of the season IMO.

I think he can close out the NBA three and recover if they drive by. He just needs to stay out of foul trouble...I have a felling it will get worse at the NBA level.

[Dex]

Overall, I was pretty impressed with what I saw. My 2 cents on Tiago's performance:

Has a very sound post-game. Good footwork and back-to-the-basket dribble, and is able to go over either shoulder. Seemed to have a nice bag of tricks and was able to use pumps, fakes, and footwork to get to the basket on a few occasions.

That being said, definitely more of a finesse post player. There were a number of times when he went up soft and got rejected, or threw up floaters which looked awkward for a big man. His only dunks came on the end of pick and rolls (which Brazil was using constantly), but as I've noted before, he had good motion in the offense and was constantly looking to set picks and cut to the basket.

Defensively, he had some nice moments in the post. Gets his hands up and seems to hold his position well. He was foul prone through the game, but most of his fouls came on trying to stop penetration by the guards. Seemed to have a good nose for rebounds, but wasn't crashing the offensive glass very hard (though this is probably strategy to defend the US fast break).

Also, seemed to be a very heady player. Twice he was able to point out a foul before the official was able to blow the whistle (Odom stepping on the line and Durant's offensive interference) and virtually prompted the call. Showed decent passing out of the post as well. He seemed to have good success going against Odom and Chandler, but for some reason Brazil went away from him toward the end of the game, even though Odom was winded.

[jiggy_55]

Tony parker on twitter:

tp9network:
tough game for the us team!!!brazil played great!! thiago splitter looks very good good news for the SPURS!!

http://twitter.com/tp9network/status/22579506451

Good or bad news for us :p? He didn't say he "looks very good for us"! hahaha i'm probably over-analyzing this one

[stéphane]

Tony parker on twitter:

tp9network:
tough game for the us team!!!brazil played great!! thiago splitter looks very good good news for the SPURS!!

http://twitter.com/tp9network/status/22579506451

Good or bad news for us :p? He didn't say he "looks very good for us"! hahaha i'm probably over-analyzing this one

He's becoming a real american. Can't get his teammate name right. :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

Why is it you're four feet tall and start so many threads?

[2Cleva]

Splitter looked good. Not the type of player I was suspecting considering how he was hyped but a solid role player. He's not Scola, but he'll help the Spurs.

Offense - can score in the post but takes too long for him. That dribble, dribble, dribble approach (announcer called it accurately as a 'Charles Barkley') doesn't work in the NBA. And again, that was on a lighter opponent in LO (who he did abuse). Didn't do much against Chandler. He moved very well off the pick/roll.

He'll do the dirty work on O but he's not a scorer. Didn't show a jump shot either.

Defense - Solid post defense (although Team USA doesn't have any good post players) but he'll be attacked and pick up a lot of fouls next year. Good help defender but not NBA-elite size so he's not going to block a lot of shots. Not going to get a lot of steals like Nene either.

My guess on next year - an Udonis Haslem-like impact. 25 min, 9 pts, 7-8 boards, .5 blocks per game.

Impact - it helps SA in that they have another big defender so its not just Duncan. He's not great but solid, and that may keep Duncan's legs fresher. But he's far from a savior or championship piece. Just not the offensive threat. But considering the price paid, he wasn't expected to be.

[temujin]

Splitter embarassed both Odom and Chandler.
Chandler committed 3 fouls on him in 5' and was removed.

Most importantly, Splitter can dribble, passed very well and helped in the early pressure defense the americans were trying initially: after a couple of quick passes resulting in easy layups, K ordered to sit back on defense.

Splitter had 2 quick fouls and a third inexistent, early in the 3rd.
The PnR with Marcelihno was a beauty all game long.

He is a very intelligent basketball player.

He is 5 kilos and a mid-range jumper from 15 and 10.

[CubanMustGo]

Why is it you're three feet tall and start so many threads?

fify

[temujin]

He's young and healthy now, is why. Give him 3 years in the PopnBonner system and he'll be ground to dust with all sorts of knee & ankle issues and needing all his summers off just to be able to limp into training camp

Ah, so you are going from "Splitter is an Euro douche" to "give him 3 years and he will be done".

:lol

[SpursTillTheEnd]

yall do know that splitter plays almost all game every game right ? dude gets like 2 minutes rest a game he looked tired as hell but he still was ballin on odom and chandler and them ...

[The_Worlds_finest]

Bring on the season!

[Chieflion]

What I liked from Splitter from seeing him play was not the scoring. It was the pick and roll defense and passing the basketball. International bigs who have made the NBA and were extremely successful were players who could pass the ball.

Guys like Vlade Divacs, Arvydas Sabonis, Pau Gasol are all good passers from the post. Not saying Splitter is as good as a passer as them, but he will be fairly successful in his own right.

[The_Worlds_finest]

yall do know that splitter plays almost all game every game right ? dude gets like 2 minutes rest a game he looked tired as hell but he still was ballin on odom and chandler and them ...

He kept them in that game, period.

[mystargtr34]

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[SpursTillTheEnd]

hey bitch dont be merging my threads goddammit

[mystargtr34]

Are those last three pics not showing up for other ppl aswell?

[hater]

they didn't even pass him the ball and he got 13 and 10.

vs. team USA.

I'll take it.

[Russ]

He's not Scola, but he'll help the Spurs.

So if Splitter is better than Odom (according to the ESPN crew who called the game, or just check the box score), and Scola is better than Splitter (according to you), then is Udonis Haslem also better than Odom (since you said Splitter = Haslem)? :wow:wow:wow

[hater]

So if Splitter is better than Odom (according to the ESPN crew who called the game, or just check the box score), and Scola is better than Splitter (according to you), then is Udonis Haslem also better than Odom (since you said Splitter = Haslem)? :wow:wow:wow

in international game.

Manu is better than Kobe in international game.

how it translates to NBA is a mistery

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Interesting enough, the highlights I saw Splitter looked like straight up garbage on D. He stood around, got pushed around, and looked terrible. That will NOT work in the NBA. He is going to have to play a lot lot better or Pop will be all over him all year. I am discouraged after seeing the clips of him playing.

[hater]

Interesting enough, the highlights I saw Splitter looked like straight up garbage on D. He stood around, got pushed around, and looked terrible. That will NOT work in the NBA. He is going to have to play a lot lot better or Pop will be all over him all year. I am discouraged after seeing the clips of him playing.

r u kiddin. you mean the highlights that show team USA's buckets? that is a terrible way to judge the guy. :bang

watch the game.

[2Cleva]

So if Splitter is better than Odom (according to the ESPN crew who called the game, or just check the box score), and Scola is better than Splitter (according to you), then is Udonis Haslem also better than Odom (since you said Splitter = Haslem)?

As mentioned already, international game isn't the NBA.

Second - box score analyst is foolish. Splitter played well and LO had another spaceball game. No surprise there. Odom always has issues with post players more physical than him. Fortunately, he rarely will be guarding Splitter if the teams meet. But Odom can't guard Millsap or even Baby Davis in the post.

Haslem in terms of impact. Quality glue big man. But he's not a franchise player in the NBA. I wonder if he even is a starter for SA.

[8FOR!3]

Fact is, he's going to have Tony, Timmy, and Ginobili to work with. Splitter's best teammate against the US was Barbosa and some white dude I've never heard of. He will be huge for our success this year.

[Russ]

As mentioned already, international game isn't the NBA.

Which is why Scola isn't nearly as good as you (and many Spurs fans) think he is.

[EduRiker]

Fact is, he's going to have Tony, Timmy, and Ginobili to work with. Splitter's best teammate against the US was Barbosa and some white dude I've never heard of. He will be huge for our success this year.

This white dude was Tiago´s teamate in Spain. Thats why the pick and roll was working so well yesterday. His name is Marcelo Huertas FYI.

[Solid D]

Which is why Scola isn't nearly as good as you (and many Spurs fans) think he is.

It goes without saying that FIBA rules and court dimensions are different. Scola is an outstanding offensive player, in any league or venue.

[Manufan909]

Splitter looked good. Not the type of player I was suspecting considering how he was hyped but a solid role player. He's not Scola, but he'll help the Spurs.

Offense - can score in the post but takes too long for him. That dribble, dribble, dribble approach (announcer called it accurately as a 'Charles Barkley') doesn't work in the NBA. And again, that was on a lighter opponent in LO (who he did abuse). Didn't do much against Chandler. He moved very well off the pick/roll.

He'll do the dirty work on O but he's not a scorer. Didn't show a jump shot either.

Defense - Solid post defense (although Team USA doesn't have any good post players) but he'll be attacked and pick up a lot of fouls next year. Good help defender but not NBA-elite size so he's not going to block a lot of shots. Not going to get a lot of steals like Nene either.

My guess on next year - an Udonis Haslem-like impact. 25 min, 9 pts, 7-8 boards, .5 blocks per game.

Impact - it helps SA in that they have another big defender so its not just Duncan. He's not great but solid, and that may keep Duncan's legs fresher. But he's far from a savior or championship piece. Just not the offensive threat. But considering the price paid, he wasn't expected to be.

I don't think it was you who said it in the other thread, but who do you think is a better post defender? LO or Pau?

And I believe you'd have a better impression of him if he'd been the focal point of Brazil's offense. Stupid Leandro fucking hogging the ball.

[ohmwrecker]

This white dude was Tiago´s teamate in Spain. Thats why the pick and roll was working so well yesterday. His name is Marcelo Huertas FYI.

I haven't seen a whole lot of this guy, but I was impressed enough to think the Spurs should take a look at bringing him over next year. Especially if TP splits.

[2Cleva]

I don't think it was you who said it in the other thread, but who do you think is a better post defender? LO or Pau?

And I believe you'd have a better impression of him if he'd been the focal point of Brazil's offense. Stupid Leandro fucking hogging the ball.

I don't think he has the game to be the focal point of an NBA offense. Passing on the perimeter is one thing, out the post for a setup is another.

He did have trouble dealing with the length of Team USA but that likely was due to unfamilarity - he'll probably adjust.

As for LO vs Pau - the edge goes to Pau. Stronger and able to keep position, always uses his length, doesn't make the bonehead fouls and gambles LO does.

I believed LO needed a break this summer as much as Pau and Kobe. He's not going to have it next season if he's counted on for a major role. He was getting killed by 3 of the 4 backup PFs he faced in the playoffs.

As a Laker fan I'm hoping Bynum is at least as healthy as last reg season (missing 15 games is par for course for bigs) and I'm excited about Caracter's potential.

The less LO is counted on, the better he is.

[in2deep]

I haven't seen a whole lot of this guy, but I was impressed enough to think the Spurs should take a look at bringing him over next year. Especially if TP splits.

:lmao marcelinho???

dude would suck in the NBA. too slow and nonathletic

[in2deep]

I don't think he has the game to be the focal point of an NBA offense. Passing on the perimeter is one thing, out the post for a setup is another.

He did have trouble dealing with the length of Team USA but that likely was due to unfamilarity - he'll probably adjust.

As for LO vs Pau - the edge goes to Pau. Stronger and able to keep position, always uses his length, doesn't make the bonehead fouls and gambles LO does.

I believed LO needed a break this summer as much as Pau and Kobe. He's not going to have it next season if he's counted on for a major role. He was getting killed by 3 of the 4 backup PFs he faced in the playoffs.

As a Laker fan I'm hoping Bynum is at least as healthy as last reg season (missing 15 games is par for course for bigs) and I'm excited about Caracter's potential.

The less LO is counted on, the better he is.

he will successfully fill the role of a much better Fabricio Oberto. Noone else in the Spurs org is expecting anything more

[ohmwrecker]

:lmao marcelinho???

dude would suck in the NBA. too slow and nonathletic

He isn't that slow. I thought he was actually pretty quick, a good passer and he's got terrific handles. There are a lot of PGs in the NBA who aren't fast. Most of them actually. There are only a handful of PGs in the NBA with jets.

[in2deep]

He isn't that slow. I thought he was actually pretty quick, a good passer and he's got terrific handles. There are a lot of PGs in the NBA who aren't fast. Most of them actually. There are only a handful of PGs in the NBA with jets.

beleive me my friend. Lots of much better international PGs were complete scrubs in NBA.

for example: Jasikevisious, Pepe Sanchez, etc

[ohmwrecker]

beleive me my friend. Lots of much better international PGs were complete scrubs in NBA.

for example: Jasikevisious, Pepe Sanchez, etc

Oh, I know . . . I'm just saying that if Beno Udrih is an NBA PG, then this dude has a shot.

[tp2021]

Oh, I know . . . I'm just saying that if Beno Udrih is an NBA PG, then this dude has a shot.

That's debatable

[Obstructed_View]

Oh, I know . . . I'm just saying that if Beno Udrih is an NBA PG, then this dude has a shot.

Beno Udrih has something most of those guys don't: a shitload of natural talent. Very few guys are that lazy and manage to stay in the NBA as long as he has.

[EduRiker]

I really like Marcelinho Huertas. He's a terrific passer, reads the game very well and no, he's not slow by any means.

But he would suffer guarding athletic point guards and he needs to work on his outside shot.

All in all, he cant be worse than half backups PGs in the league.

[ohmwrecker]

I really like Marcelinho Huertas. He's a terrific passer, reads the game very well and no, he's not slow by any means.

But he would suffer guarding athletic point guards and he needs to work on his outside shot.

All in all, he cant be worse than half backups PGs in the league.


That is a more realistic assessment. He isn't strong enough to defend the pick and roll adequately. He needs to bulk up a little. Defense and perimeter shooting are definitely his weaknesses. He is plenty quick.

[temujin]

:lmao marcelinho???

dude would suck in the NBA. too slow and nonathletic

Ask Billups.

[Russ]

It goes without saying that FIBA rules and court dimensions are different. Scola is an outstanding offensive player, in any league or venue.

Correct. But the reason that some great international players are less effective in the NBA is that defense is played completely differently in the two formats. Much more focus and athletic ability is required over here.

That is why Scola has not (and likely will not) be an effective piece in a championship level NBA team.

Pop's crocodile tears aside, I don't think the Spurs were all that sold on Scola as an NBA player when they basically gave him away.

[JustinJDW]

Tiago Splitter + Manu Ginobili = Unstoppable Pick-N-Rolls = Unstoppable Bench.

[Nathan89]

Splitter looked good. Not the type of player I was suspecting considering how he was hyped but a solid role player. He's not Scola, but he'll help the Spurs.

Offense - can score in the post but takes too long for him. That dribble, dribble, dribble approach (announcer called it accurately as a 'Charles Barkley') doesn't work in the NBA. And again, that was on a lighter opponent in LO (who he did abuse). Didn't do much against Chandler. He moved very well off the pick/roll.

He'll do the dirty work on O but he's not a scorer. Didn't show a jump shot either.

Defense - Solid post defense (although Team USA doesn't have any good post players) but he'll be attacked and pick up a lot of fouls next year. Good help defender but not NBA-elite size so he's not going to block a lot of shots. Not going to get a lot of steals like Nene either.

My guess on next year - an Udonis Haslem-like impact. 25 min, 9 pts, 7-8 boards, .5 blocks per game.

Impact - it helps SA in that they have another big defender so its not just Duncan. He's not great but solid, and that may keep Duncan's legs fresher. But he's far from a savior or championship piece. Just not the offensive threat. But considering the price paid, he wasn't expected to be.

This is a legitimate post by 2cleva. Haslem stats is great prediction for splitter.

[Solid D]

Correct. But the reason that some great international players are less effective in the NBA is that defense is played completely differently in the two formats. Much more focus and athletic ability is required over here.

That is why Scola has not (and likely will not) be an effective piece in a championship level NBA team.

Pop's crocodile tears aside, I don't think the Spurs were all that sold on Scola as an NBA player when they basically gave him away.

I agree that the Spurs were probably not sold on Scola, at least for their needs. I also believe that they now realize they made a mistake. That's why I think you and I will probably continue to disagree with each other on your assertion that Luis will not be an effective piece in a championship level NBA team. The only thing standing in the way of Luis being an effective piece in a championship level team is the current franchise with which he just re-upped.

[ezau]

As mentioned already, international game isn't the NBA.

Second - box score analyst is foolish. Splitter played well and LO had another spaceball game. No surprise there. Odom always has issues with post players more physical than him. Fortunately, he rarely will be guarding Splitter if the teams meet. But Odom can't guard Millsap or even Baby Davis in the post.

Haslem in terms of impact. Quality glue big man. But he's not a franchise player in the NBA. I wonder if he even is a starter for SA.

Haslem comparison is spot on. I'm already happy if Splitter contributes around 9 and 8 a game.

[EricB]

a 7 footer who can bring 9 and 8 in his rookie year?

Uh yeah thats not a bad thing last I checked.