Halo Reach is out

[IronMexican]

I said it would leak before September, and I was right. Hopefully this thing sells.

[4>0rings]

When are you going to steal it?

[IronMexican]

Downloading now. Wont bother playing it, cause Halo isn't my thing.

[CubanSucks]

jRfJQMSR4ww

Fucking awesome. I got goosebumps at the end

[resistanze]

Downloading now. Wont bother playing it, cause Halo isn't my thing.

:lol

[resistanze]

IM what's your cap now for your ISP?

[IronMexican]

Cap's? lol. We don't have those yet.

[resistanze]

Cap's? lol. We don't have those yet.

Asshole.

[IronMexican]

Well, at least not with TWC.

[resistanze]

Yeah, I don't even download shit at home because of caps. But I landed a part-time gig as a computer lab assistant at my college...so you know what's gonna go down.

[IronMexican]

Have fun then. All of this cap stuff just sounds scary to me. I usually download about 7-8 gigs a day minimum. I'd probably hit any cap under 50 rather easy.

[IronMexican]

Premium MU really did run out just as the first link downloaded. Sucks.

[Slydragon]

I said it would leak before September, and I was right. Hopefully this thing sells.

Hopefully it sells? It's Halo it will sell like crazy.


Downloading now. Wont bother playing it, cause Halo isn't my thing.

Then why bother DLing it?

[Venti Quattro]

Then why bother DLing it?

He will sell it like crazy.

[2pac > Kobe]

shits been leaked for weeks get with the times

[IronMexican]

shits been leaked for weeks get with the times

On jtag.

[Xevious]

I wouldn't even be bothered to download that. Those games are so fucking overrated... and I'm an Xbox guy.

[CubanSucks]

i wouldn't even be bothered to download that. Those games are so fucking overrated... And i'm an xbox guy.

stfu & gtfo

[Jacob1983]

Won't you get banned from XBOX Live if you play it before the release date?

[DJ Mbenga]

Won't you get banned from XBOX Live if you play it before the release date?

if you do matchmaking sure. do private matches and campaign and you should be fine.

[koriwhat]

halo sucks

[4>0rings]

if you do matchmaking sure. do private matches and campaign and you should be fine.
Yeah, that's real fun... :p:

[resistanze]

You can get flagged for a banning by simply inserting the disc in your console.

[Trainwreck2100]

You can get flagged for a banning by simply inserting the disc in your console.

that's why you don't connect to xbox live

[resistanze]

that's why you don't connect to xbox live

You can be flagged the next time you sign on even if you played the game offline.

[IronMexican]

What resistanze said. Microsoft has stuff built in to check what you've been playing and hwwhwwhwhwatnot. Less likely to be caught, though.

[midnightpulp]

Have fun then. All of this cap stuff just sounds scary to me. I usually download about 7-8 gigs a day minimum. I'd probably hit any cap under 50 rather easy.

Does your Beaner ass ever legitimately buy a game?

Get out there and mow some lawns, pick some peaches, or sell some oranges so you can make enough money in order to legally purchase a game and contribute to the wealth of the industry.

[Death In June]

My tag is scalp soup if anyone wants to coop some campaign or play some team slayer.

[Muser]

I wouldn't even be bothered to download that. Those games are so fucking overrated... and I'm an Xbox guy.

Yup

[Dex]

Yeah, I don't even download shit at home because of caps. But I landed a part-time gig as a computer lab assistant at my college...so you know what's gonna go down.

Downloading pirated content during company time using an educational institutions bandwidth?

Bright idea. :td

[koriwhat]

Does your Beaner ass ever legitimately buy a game?

Get out there and mow some lawns, pick some peaches, or sell some oranges so you can make enough money in order to legally purchase a game and contribute to the wealth of the industry.

how's that stock in combat boots and flannel working out for you?

[Venti Quattro]

f2Q6RSK6UDw

[AnthonyM]

f2Q6RSK6UDw

lol what a waste of money...

Whatever happened to just buying a game itself?

[koriwhat]

lol what a waste of money...

Whatever happened to just buying a game itself?

people like junk, plus the shit that comes with the game.

[resistanze]

Downloading pirated content during company time using an educational institutions bandwidth?

Bright idea. :td

Thanks!

[CubanSucks]

f2Q6RSK6UDw

What a waist of money. Exactly why I just bought the game, which is amazing BTW. LOL at anyone coming in a thread about a video game that they don't even like.

[Venti Quattro]

the figurine is awesome, but yeah I wouldn't spend that much for a game.

[Whisky Dog]

That figurine is awesome, just display it in a prominent place as a reminder to women to never have sex with you.

[Dex]

Thanks!

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[MavDynasty]

Son how is this game? Halo 3 was meh but anything is better than that shitstorm called Modern Warfare 2

[austN Spur]

Ive been gaming Reach all day today and it's awesome. firefight is fun to play also.

On my campaign im on nightfall but im stuck and could use some help. jae sPurfect if you want to play some campaign

whew i got past that part....heroic is a little tough by yourself

[METALMiKE]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2jc9e0i.gif

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/5/128756922497668079.jpg

[ElNono]

You can be flagged the next time you sign on even if you played the game offline.

I bought mine in 2006, and never connected it to Live. When 'the next time you sign on' is never, it's not really a problem.

[austN Spur]

I park the warthog to jump on the gunner and the chick ai drives off the cliff to my death, not once but twice. wtf

[IronMexican]

I bought mine in 2006, and never connected it to Live. When 'the next time you sign on' is never, it's not really a problem.

How do you download updates?

[CubanSucks]

Anyone else play on Forge World yet? Fucking amazing. 5 different spaces big enough for their own maps and that's not including the air space in between the spots that you can fly in

[4>0rings]

I park the warthog to jump on the gunner and the chick ai drives off the cliff to my death, not once but twice. wtfYup, driver AI on the warthog BLOWS. I finally said fuck it when it was doing a 800 point turn and drove it myself.

[ElNono]

How do you download updates?

System Updates? They come in newer games and they just update the console.

As far as DLCs, the actually interesting ones are eventually available on disc (Fallout 3 GOTY, Badlands). Plus, by the time a DLC or game update is out I'm probably done playing through the game and don't want to touch it for another year (the only exception was Fallout 3).

I really don't have the time to play online. I have a bit of buyer's remorse from buying Starcraft II because I haven't touched it since I finished the campaign mode (although, I like to support the games I liked, so I still think it was basically a good purchase).

[mardigan]

The campaign on solo legendary was one of the hardest games to get through that I have ever played. It took me forever with how patient you have to be. Started some online stuff toady and the new maps seem pretty kick ass. If anyone wants to play some online my gametag is mardigan1110.

[4>0rings]

Campaign is cool, multiplayer is eh. The multiplayer maps were made by a retarded IW employee. I never sell games but I'am thinking about it for this one. Firefight has matchmaking but the new firefight has an end to each mission, wtf? The classic firefight that goes till you die doesn't have matchmaking, wtf? They said campaign co-op with matchmaking but then held it out saying they didn't want people to go straight to the end so no matchmaking until later... wtf? I paid for the damn game, I'll do what I want. You want to play Team Slayer? Cool, just hope that everyone agrees votes that way in the lobby.. WTF!!!??

[Nathan Explosion]

You want to play Team Slayer? Cool, just hope that everyone agrees votes that way in the lobby.. WTF!!!??

I like that option. I hated it in Halo 3 when there was a map I had been playing all night, so it gets voted only to be replaced by an even shittier map.

This way we can vote for a map we want, and if it doesn't happen, you can always vote for another set of maps and games.

It's a nice twist.

[4>0rings]

I like that option. I hated it in Halo 3 when there was a map I had been playing all night, so it gets voted only to be replaced by an even shittier map.

This way we can vote for a map we want, and if it doesn't happen, you can always vote for another set of maps and games.

It's a nice twist.
No the maps not the problem, it's the diffrent modes. For instance you pick team slayer but then you will have 3 different choices. Say SWAT, SKULLS, whatever... maybe classic slayer but no one votes that. So instead of playing just team slayer you have to play team slayer with an objective other than killing the other team.

[Nathan Explosion]

No the maps not the problem, it's the diffrent modes. For instance you pick team slayer but then you will have 3 different choices. Say SWAT, SKULLS, whatever... maybe classic slayer but no one votes that. So instead of playing just team slayer you have to play team slayer with an objective other than killing the other team.

I can see that. It should be more like Halo 3 in that you can pick the mode, then go to the vote system for the map, or variations within the game mode. the ODST disc had different slayer modes like Fiesta Slayer and such. I can see that happening. Classic Slayer, Fiesta Slayer and so on and so forth.

[mingus]

i really like this game as far as MP is concerend. i haven't tried SP. i can't compare this game to Halo 2,3, and ODST because i never played those enough to judge them, esp. MP.

the only issue i have with the game is the voting system. numerous times it's happened to me where infection or safe haven (basically the same mode) gets voted 3 or 4 times in a row. i don't think they should have as an option a mode that you played prior. and then you can't back out once it's voted. that's bullshit. i paid 60$ for the game, i should be able to back out whenever the fuck i want.

oh, and another problem i have is that some of the MP levels kind of suck. don't get me wrong, there are great ones, but some of them are stinkers. some of them just seem redundant, esp. the ones that are created with the forge architecture. hopefully the DLC makes up for that.

other than that, i really like the game.

[MavDynasty]

So is this game worth it? I know a local privately owned gamestore that will give me 28$ for Red Dead and like 30 for Madden10/2k10 combined. I'm thinking about trading in to get Reach. I heard its awesome but some of you guys are saying the MP is bad.

[Creepn]

Are the gun controls like HaloCE/ODST or is it like Halo 3?

[DJ Mbenga]

i really like this game as far as MP is concerend. i haven't tried SP. i can't compare this game to Halo 2,3, and ODST because i never played those enough to judge them, esp. MP.

the only issue i have with the game is the voting system. numerous times it's happened to me where infection or safe haven (basically the same mode) gets voted 3 or 4 times in a row. i don't think they should have as an option a mode that you played prior. and then you can't back out once it's voted. that's bullshit. i paid 60$ for the game, i should be able to back out whenever the fuck i want.

oh, and another problem i have is that some of the MP levels kind of suck. don't get me wrong, there are great ones, but some of them are stinkers. some of them just seem redundant, esp. the ones that are created with the forge architecture. hopefully the DLC makes up for that.

other than that, i really like the game.

just sign out of live and that will do all the work. you will be back in matchmaking. sign back in and good to go

[DJ Mbenga]

So is this game worth it? I know a local privately owned gamestore that will give me 28$ for Red Dead and like 30 for Madden10/2k10 combined. I'm thinking about trading in to get Reach. I heard its awesome but some of you guys are saying the MP is bad.

amazon will give you 30 for RDR today by itslef.

i dont recomend the game. i dont like multiplayer. they really gimped the melee. its basically fire recklessly and hope the dmr gets a kill. everyone always votes the boring games like swat and camp heavy game like snipers. the campaign is nothing special but with 4 people its still fun.

[mingus]

So is this game worth it? I know a local privately owned gamestore that will give me 28$ for Red Dead and like 30 for Madden10/2k10 combined. I'm thinking about trading in to get Reach. I heard its awesome but some of you guys are saying the MP is bad.

i don't know what you like in games, but i recommend it. i think it's a blast. i never really played the other halo multiplayers, but from all that
s been said, there's more to this one. you can chose between classes jetpack, camo, hologram, shield, run in this one unlike the others, so you can play the game in a variety of ways.

menga mentioned the melee changed. i wouldn't know since i didn't play MP for the others, but i like the melee. it takes two hits to the front to kill someone. i personally don't see a problem with that... that's just me... afterall, this is a shooting game though and your guy has a bunch of armor on so one hit melee's (that's what i heard changed) would wouldn't make sense imo (although to the back of the head is one hit). i find nothing wrong with having to shoot a guy a bunch of times to kill him. reminds me of Goldeneye where emphasis was put on accuracy and how many shots you can get off.

like i said, mediocre level design on some levels and voting system is all that bring down this game imo. i rate it a 9.5/10

[Nathan Explosion]

The only real difference is the melee button and the grenade switch button have changed. The right bumper activates your special power depending on the class you choose.

I'd say get it. If you like Halo multiplayer, you should like this one. I have a friend who hasn't tried it and is used to playing Hardcore on MW2. If you like MW2, you may not like Halo because of how hard it can be to kill someone compared to the few hits it takes to kill someone on Hardcore mode on MW2.

[Heath Ledger]

I love the new melee system there's nothing like sneaking behind someone and impaling them with the energy sword or knife, all you do is hold down the melee button to do this. (right bumper) It took me a while to figure this out.

One thing that turns me off in multiplayer is game seems to break down a lot, and have to find a new host, sometimes it tries and the game just goes back to the lobby. Seems to happen quite a bit more than I remember for Halo 3.

[CubanSucks]

Firefight is so much fun. Me and 3 friends played in one room with two tv's and I haven't had so much fun with a video game in awhile. The campaign was GREAT. I was really skeptical about it going in considering you knew what the ending was gonna be like. But then they let you literally fight to the death after the end credits. Such a great little twist and very badass. And the way each of the Noble members went down reminded me of some great epic war movie like i.e. Saving Private Ryan. The story was probably the most compelling out of any of the previous.

[DJ Mbenga]

just got a warning i might get banned from matchmaking cause of quiting. fuck this game im selling it to amazon. ill go back to bad company 2. cant wait for the Vietnam add on.

[LnGrrrR]

It's sad that I don't have the time to play many multiplayer games anymore. All my time now is focused on RE5 (thanks for sending it to me Dad!) and then Dead Rising 2.

[CubanSucks]

just got a warning i might get banned from matchmaking cause of quiting. fuck this game im selling it to amazon. ill go back to bad company 2. cant wait for the Vietnam add on.

...ok?

[ynh]

just got a warning i might get banned from matchmaking cause of quiting. fuck this game im selling it to amazon. ill go back to bad company 2. cant wait for the Vietnam add on.


The ban is for 15mins.. no reason to freak out.

[4>0rings]

just got a warning i might get banned from matchmaking cause of quiting. fuck this game im selling it to amazon. ill go back to bad company 2. cant wait for the Vietnam add on.Stop being a fag and quiting.

[Nathan Explosion]

just got a warning i might get banned from matchmaking cause of quiting. fuck this game im selling it to amazon. ill go back to bad company 2. cant wait for the Vietnam add on.

Why would you keep quitting games. Is it too hard for you?

[CubanSucks]

I just got warned I might be getting kicked off a basketball team cause I'm always walking off the court in the middle of our games. Fuck them! I should be able to do what I want!

[PM5K]

I just got warned I might be kicked out of the bedroom because I always get up when I'm finished, even if she isn't. Fuck her! I should be able to do what I want!

[DJ Mbenga]

Why would you keep quitting games. Is it too hard for you?

i dont want to play snipers when everyone camps for 20 minutes. id rather get another mode. invasion seems to be the only safe lobby for me i never get tired of that one

[Nathan Explosion]

i dont want to play snipers when everyone camps for 20 minutes. id rather get another mode. invasion seems to be the only safe lobby for me i never get tired of that one

Go make a sandwich or something then. I've gotten into games with campers before so I get up, go make a sandwich, make kool-aid or go to the bathroom during those.

Last night a friend of mine went on a smoke break in the middle of the game. Wouldn't have mattered if he played the entire match. We got our asses handed to us.

[MavDynasty]

Halo 3 was pretty nice and anything is better than MW2 at this point. That game was a shit fest.

Thanks guys, I'll be looking to buy this soon.

[ynh]

My only complaints as far as the community goes is that they seem to not want to play anything other than Invasion and safe haven... I did have to quit yesterday because it was getting stupid playing that game over and over and over again.

Another is Oddball.. love that game but it seems as though maybe 2 other people in the game will actually be playing it to get the skull.. the others are just mindlessly trying to get kills. Hell on one of the levels I played there was a guy just sitting on the ledge camping and taking pot shots at everyone. Not that I can complain because it's easy to win those games because of this.

[slick'81]

i fucking love halo reach cant stop playing firefight,team slayer and invasion

[balli]

anything is better than MW2 at this point. That game was a shit fest.



This. I'm not the biggest fan of Halo's gameplay, but at least when I die or lose in Reach I know it isn't a result of the game being intractably broken.

[Venti Quattro]

FQO-vEIu-lA

a-fucking-mazing

[CubanSucks]

FQO-vEIu-lA

a-fucking-mazing

I'm ok with saying the multiplayer is the best yet because EVERY new game is gonna be better than the last cause they build off of it. But if you say that Halo CE wasn't by far the best FOR ITS TIME, then you probably didn't play it when it came out. Me and my friends could play campaign literally every day and not get sick of it. I don't know what it was about the campaign for the first but it never got old

[CubanSucks]

This. I'm not the biggest fan of Halo's gameplay, but at least when I die or lose in Reach I know it isn't a result of the game being intractably broken.

ok you gotta explain what you mean so I can have some ammunition against some of my MW2 friends

[balli]

ok you gotta explain what you mean so I can have some ammunition against some of my MW2 friends

However much time it would take is more than I've got, but in it's conception and implementation, the game is broken on both levels. There are poorly designed aspects of the game that can be exploited to the point that they could be called cheating were it not that the developer wanted the game to be the way it is. And there are some outright, unfixed glitches that when used, are cheating. The details take more time to spell out than I currently have available, but a peek at the Infinity Ward forum archives will give you all the ammo you need.

[phyzik]

I will admit from the get-go I honestly think the Halo franchise is over-rated.... Even before I played the game... Its great for a console but nothing new to a PC gamer..... I guarantee, if this was cross-platform, no one on Xbox live would stand a chance against a good PC gamer.

having said that, the story is pretty interesting for Single player.


And I will give them props for co-op in the story line.

Other than that.... Its just like the other Halo games... Knockoffs of the origional FPS games on PC.

pc OWN'S in the FPS business... Sorry console fags.

[MavDynasty]

Um, no one on XBL or PSN would stand a chance against PC players if any game was a cross platform game. Much easier to control a mouse than an analog stick and this is coming from someone who has played both

[CubanSucks]

Um, no one on XBL or PSN would stand a chance against PC players if any game was a cross platform game. Much easier to control a mouse than an analog stick and this is coming from someone who has played both

:tu :lmao I can't tell if he's serious or not. The ONLY thing better for PC is MORPG.

[monosylab1k]

tbh I haven't enjoyed a Halo game since Halo 2, so basically everything Halo related that's come out since then has been greeted by me the same way a new Saw sequel is.

So is this one actually different or is it the exact same fucking game as the last 5?

[monosylab1k]

and tbqh the FPS genre peaked with Goldeneye.

[z0sa]

Standard fare Halo game. Nothing surprising or out of the ordinary, seems more like an expansion by PC gaming standards. Not impressed.

As for PC vs console, it would be utmost rape. Console gamers need a new, innovative input device (probably looking much like a keyboard+mouse) exclusively for FPS if they ever want to actually compete with PC gamers.

[resistanze]

Why do people still give a shit about PC vs. console for FPS?

[z0sa]

and tbqh the FPS genre peaked with Goldeneye.

A typical console gamer's statement, one who is completely ignorant to the fact much, much better FPS existed on PC at the time (Quake I/II, for starters). FPS has always been much better on PC, and will continue to be until something better than an analog stick+modding capabilities are implemented.

I'd personally go with CS being the height of FPS as we know it. Had the largest gaming populace, a plethora of leagues, well supported, and of course, innovative, balanced, and fun. Interestingly enough, there's even a console port.

What's even funnier is RTS on a console vs PC (not online, the concept itself). Dunno why any developers even tries that anymore. I will never get how someone can bear mustering only 30-40 solid APM at most and scrolling around with an inaccurate stick trying to micro.

[Roddy Beaubois]

and tbqh the FPS genre peaked with Goldeneye.

Is this still part of your hipster shtick?

[CubanSucks]

:lmao PC gamers never cease to make me laugh. Such obsessive little nerds so worried about everyone's perception of gaming

[Roddy Beaubois]

A typical console gamer's statement, one who is completely ignorant to the fact much, much better FPS existed on PC at the time (Quake I/II, for starters). FPS has always been much better on PC, and will continue to be until something better than an analog stick+modding capabilities are implemented.

I'd personally go with CS being the height of FPS as we know it. Had the largest gaming populace, a plethora of leagues, well supported, and of course, innovative, balanced, and fun. Interestingly enough, there's even a console port.

What's even funnier is RTS on a console vs PC (not online, the concept itself). Dunno why any developers even tries that anymore. I will never get how someone can bear mustering only 30-40 solid APM at most and scrolling around with an inaccurate stick trying to micro.
:lmao PC gaming elitist

[CubanSucks]

:lmao PC gaming elitist

They truly are the Radiohead fans of gaming. And I like both Radiohead and PC games, but not like them

[z0sa]

The ONLY thing better for PC is MORPG.

Such obsessive little nerds so worried about everyone's perception of gaming

Who can avoid pointing out so potent a self-pwn. Not only did you imply FPS and RTS are clearly better on consoles, you immediately display an alarming amount of hypocrisy. :lol Golden

[balli]

Obviously, pc players enjoy the advantage of hardcore customization and community effort that can pick apart the software. Plus, as mentioned, there are plenty of awesome pc FPC games that the console community has never seen, or supported (think of TF2 on 360). In terms of customization, community and game variety, PC wins hands down. I don't play on PC, but I know my place in the argument.

The controller debate is moot to me. PC players play against people with keyboards and mouses. Console players compete against people with the same controllers. The issue isn't talent; it's input method. Neither community's talent suffers for it's own control mechanism. What's the PC argument? That our methodology is so much easier to kill with? Okay.

Assuming the absurd hypothetical of cross-platform compatibility.

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao PC gamers never cease to make me laugh. Such obsessive little nerds so worried about everyone's perception of gaming

Most PC gamers are also console gamers. They just realize which is better, having played both of them extensively.

There is no contest. It is PC, hands down, every time, with the exception of sports and fighting games.

You really think the controller is that accurate? Try playing an RTS with it. See how it fares.

It's not about obsession, it's about simply realizing what's right in front of you.

PC: More customization, more gameplay options, 10x better graphics, better controls, better online play. Oh, and you can game on the road with a laptop. You know, 'cause even laptops are more powerful than the 360/Ps3 these days. Want to play Modern Warfare, Mass Effect 2, or Fallout 3 in your University Union? On lunch break at work? On a plane or train? Have fun lugging that 42" TV with you, not to mention finding an outlet. :lol

Console: Uh... it's slightly cheaper (games are more expensive), and they have some exclusive ports that the PC doesn't? That's seriously the only advantage you're working with here. Name another, please.

[Sense]

Pc> you... Realize nigga

[CubanSucks]

Who can avoid pointing out so potent a self-pwn. Not only did you imply FPS and RTS are clearly better on consoles, you immediately display an alarming amount of hypocrisy. :lol Golden

Except that I'm not the one who bought the whole PC argument into this thread. Completely irrelevant to bring that up.


A typical console gamer's statement, one who is completely ignorant to the fact much, much better FPS existed on PC at the time (Quake I/II, for starters). FPS has always been much better on PC, and will continue to be until something better than an analog stick+modding capabilities are implemented.

I'd personally go with CS being the height of FPS as we know it. Had the largest gaming populace, a plethora of leagues, well supported, and of course, innovative, balanced, and fun. Interestingly enough, there's even a console port.

What's even funnier is RTS on a console vs PC (not online, the concept itself). Dunno why any developers even tries that anymore. I will never get how someone can bear mustering only 30-40 solid APM at most and scrolling around with an inaccurate stick trying to micro.

Standard fare Halo game. Nothing surprising or out of the ordinary, seems more like an expansion by PC gaming standards. Not impressed.

As for PC vs console, it would be utmost rape. Console gamers need a new, innovative input device (probably looking much like a keyboard+mouse) exclusively for FPS if they ever want to actually compete with PC gamers.


Yeah, that's what I call obsessive. Especially considering the post you were responding to wasn't exactly begging for an argument. And as far as that first sentence, I don't think I've ever read anything so smug

[MannyIsGod]

Except that I'm not the one who bought the whole PC argument into this thread. Completely irrelevant to bring that up.


No - you're just the one who got severely butthurt over it. Congrats.

[z0sa]

Except that I'm not the one who bought the whole PC argument into this thread.

I didn't make any attempt to argue it with you, did I?




Yeah, that's what I call obsessive.

So being a gamer is obsessive.

You're obsessive.


Especially considering the post you were responding to wasn't exactly begging for an argument.
Why do you feel the necessity to defend mono?


And as far as that first sentence, I don't think I've ever read anything so smug

:lol have you played Goldeneye in ten years? You may find it's not as awesome as you remember. But I think "ONLY this or that is true", like what you said, is much more smug. JMO.

[Cry Havoc]

Except that I'm not the one who bought the whole PC argument into this thread. Completely irrelevant to bring that up.

Yeah, that's what I call obsessive. Especially considering the post you were responding to wasn't exactly begging for an argument. And as far as that first sentence, I don't think I've ever read anything so smug

It doesn't matter who's obsessive and who isn't. You said that FPS and RTS games were better on console. You're wrong, and this isn't something that is even debatable. PC offers far superior control for almost every genre.


:lol have you played Goldeneye in ten years? You may find it's not as awesome as you remember. But I think "ONLY this or that is true", like what you said, is much more smug. JMO.

Goldeneye was a phenomenal game.

However, it gets buried alive by Counterstrike, which is superior in every single aspect, except "pick up and play" due to the fact that it's much more difficult than Goldeneye. The only advantage it offers is nostalgia.

[ynh]

Why do people still give a shit about PC vs. console for FPS?

My question is why do people feel the need to come into a thread about a console FPS and feel they need to tell us for the 100th time how much better a FPS is on a PC? They seem to not understand that people aren't coming in here to read about how they feel a PC FPS is better than a Console FPS..

Yes we have heard this over and over... anyone that has played a PC FPS would agree..

But you are in a thread about a CONSOLE ONLY FPS.. so fuck off.

[phyzik]

I seem to recall, maybe falsely, when the origional Halo was being developed by Bungie for the PC and Mac only. It was supposed to be a PC/Mac title only back then until Microsoft aquired them... Then I'm pretty sure, for a brief period, it was talked about going cross-platform... But that was nixxed because of the inherant imbalance PC gamers would enjoy so Microsoft forced them to port it to XBOX only. Again, I may be wrong as that was YEARS ago.

I think I remember watching a tech demo for Halo, before Microsoft aquired them, showing off the vehicles.... That was the only innovation I can remember over FPS games at the time on PC. The vehicles, being able to all mount up on one, and the physics they had for them, was awesome at the time.

There have been tests shown with FPS games, even with the most elite console FPS players playing against mediocre FPS gamers, that PC wins hands down in FPS gaming, thus you will probably never see a cross-platform unless Consoles come out with a comparable controller such as a mouse and keyboard.

Having said that, as both a PC gamer and an owner of a PS3, 2 Xbox360's (my brother bought one while on military duty over seas, and I bought one as well) and just about every console before them dating back to the Atari, I think Halo gets WAY too overhyped as an FPS... Its a good game, but nothing I havnt seen before on a PC.

I dont hate Halo.... I hate its fanbois who think its the greatest thing since a womans pussy.... and its not.... even on a console. But its treated as such.

[phyzik]

OK, I was a bit off... but I was right that it was origionally developed for PC and Mac... it was origionally designed as a 3rd person game. Here was the trailer I saw back in 1999.

The online multiplayer was dropped mainly because Xbox Live wasnt going to be finished in time.... Still, I could swear I read somewhere that that was not entirely the case.

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[mingus]

eh i personally prefer playing FPS on console. i like the feel of the control in my hand more (wgaf about accuracy when you're playing with people who are using the same shit as you and have no advantage) and i can play on a 50 inch tv. and you can play multiplayer with friends at your house using one x-box. imo that is why FP gaming on console is superior.

the graphics are better on PC, but at least for me, it's not that big of a difference. i know that if Halo came out on PC it would look better than on xbox, but i think the graphics are great on the the 360 already so i couldn't care less.

[Cry Havoc]

eh i personally prefer playing FPS on console. i like the feel of the control in my hand more (wgaf about accuracy when you're playing with people who are using the same shit as you and have no advantage)

That's akin to saying, "Who cares if we're playing football in 3 feet of sand? The other team has to play in it too, so there's no advantage."

It's not about having an advantage. It's about having a system that gives you the best controls. You know, controls? Arguably the most important thing to a great game?



and i can play on a 50 inch tv.

:lol Why do console fans continually bring this up like it's a legitimate advantage? Do you really need to see a photo of my desktop hooked up with an HDMI cable to my 42" Plasma? PCs have been able to do this as long as the Ps3 and 360 have been around.


and you can play multiplayer with friends at your house using one x-box. imo that is why FP gaming on console is superior.

Split screen sucks. And what's preventing you from taking a computer with you? I can take a laptop over to a friends and we can game together with no problems at all.


the graphics are better on PC, but at least for me, it's not that big of a difference. i know that if Halo came out on PC it would look better than on xbox, but i think the graphics are great on the the 360 already so i couldn't care less.

It's huge. You just haven't stopped to notice how vast the difference is.

[mingus]

That's akin to saying, "Who cares if we're playing football in 3 feet of sand? The other team has to play in it too, so there's no advantage."

It's not about having an advantage. It's about having a system that gives you the best controls. You know, controls? Arguably the most important thing to a great game?




:lol Why do console fans continually bring this up like it's a legitimate advantage? Do you really need to see a photo of my desktop hooked up with an HDMI cable to my 42" Plasma? PCs have been able to do this as long as the Ps3 and 360 have been around.

It's all a matter of opinion, man. I like the way the control feels in my hand and I don't care about it being less accurate than a mouse and keyboard.

As for the graphics. I know it's significant. it's just not significant TO ME bec. graphics of the games I play already look beautiful and any better graphics wouldn't matter. surround sound, 50 inch tv's, and the fact that most of the people I know don't game on pc or laptops, makes XBOX a superior medium in my view.


Split screen sucks. And what's preventing you from taking a computer with you? I can take a laptop over to a friends and we can game together with no problems at all.



It's huge. You just haven't stopped to notice how vast the difference is.

[mingus]

fuck tried responding to that on my iPhone. Fucked that up.

[phyzik]

fuck tried responding to that on my iPhone. Fucked that up.

As expected from a console gamer.....









:lmao just messing with you.

[ynh]

Good for you.. now shut the fuck up this isn't a PC versus Console thread.

[ynh]

If you want to play Halo Reach you need a 360.. Thus I don't give a shit if the controls for FPSers are better on the PC.. it is better on console for this game cause it isn't on the fucking PC.. Now shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here.

[Cry Havoc]

If you want to play Halo Reach you need a 360.. Thus I don't give a shit if the controls for FPSers are better on the PC.. it is better on console for this game cause it isn't on the fucking PC.. Now shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here.

It's not a PC vs console thread, but if console fanboys are going to spout inaccurate information, I'm going to correct them.

[balli]

It's not about having an advantage. It's about having a system that gives you the best controls.
As an elitist asshole in many pursuits, I understand what you're saying. But if that's the case, and I give you credit for acknowledging such, the pro-PC argument need not routinely lower itself to the implied notion that:

"our control system is so much more responsive and given cross-platform compatibility, we'd rule."

Those statements are both true, but unfortunately both a given and one is an impossiblity and neither really impact the experience of communities which use dual stick controls. And I resent the passive implication that better controls somehow require more talent to command.

For example and in regard to the control mechanism, cod4 wasn't a great game because you could aim slightly quicker and more precisely with a mouse and keyboard. And it wasn't a great game because you could pull off headshots near as fast with a 360 controller, it was a great game because of what it allowed the player to do against a level playing field.

Which again is why I find the controller debate utterly moot. Great, the PC controls are more precise. In terms of the over-arching debate about which system is better, I guess it's a piece of ammo that speaks to the quality of input. But one thing it damn sure doesn't speak to, is strategic talent.

[ynh]

... might as well add to the topic.

As far as the controller debate

People do know that you can go on to ebay and the net right now and by a mouse FPS controller for the 360 and ps3 if you want to right?

It's not first party.. but the reviews on them are pretty good. The only issue being that it takes quite a bit of time to map the keys.

[Cry Havoc]

As an elitist asshole in many pursuits, I understand what you're saying. But if that's the case, and I give you credit for acknowledging such, the pro-PC argument need not routinely lower itself to the implied notion that:

"our control system is so much more responsive and given cross-platform compatibility, we'd rule."

Meh, if you'll notice, I never discuss this issue unless someone provokes me into it. It really doesn't matter to me. I don't care how good/bad console players are, because my opposition is my PC counterparts. Console gamers are not my worry, they are not the ones I have to frag when I log on at night.


Those statements are both true, but unfortunately both a given and one is an impossiblity and neither really impact the experience of communities which use dual stick controls. And I resent the passive implication that better controls somehow require more talent to command.

There are absolutely some great FPS players on console, absolutely. I would not say that there are fewer talented players on console, but I do think that a PC allows one's talents to increase to a higher ceiling relative to the console gamer.

It's like playing a musical instrument. Would restricting a piano to just 44 keys mean that Bach or Prokofiev is any less talented? Absolutely not. Could they still make beautiful music with those 44 keys? Undoubtedly. But would they ever be able to achieve what they were with a full piano? I doubt it.

A mouse frees you. There's no restriction with it other than what your settings are for the game. It is a perfect imitation of a human movement, so that it allows for the development of so much more finite, precise control at the highest levels of competitive play. Below that, ech, it's debatable.


For example and in regard to the control mechanism, cod4 wasn't a great game because you could aim slightly quicker and more precisely with a mouse and keyboard. And it wasn't a great game because you could pull off headshots near as fast with a 360 controller, it was a great game because of what it allowed the player to do against a level playing field.

There's no debating that you can have a blast with a controller and an FPS. I would never attempt to say otherwise. I just think that some, or many (not all) people who proclaim how great it is have never really sat down and attempted to learn the precision a mouse can offer.


Which again is why I find the controller debate utterly moot. Great, the PC controls are more precise. In terms of the over-arching debate about which system is better, I guess it's a piece of ammo that speaks to the quality of input. But one thing it damn sure doesn't speak to, is strategic talent.

Agreed. Strategy is in the mind of the gamer, not the controller he's using. However, again, if a keyboard+mouse allows me to place a flashbang within inches of where it needs to be, and a controller would have restricted that placement, then there stands an argument that can be made that it still allows for a more open combat dynamic.

[mingus]

Meh, if you'll notice, I never discuss this issue unless someone provokes me into it. It really doesn't matter to me. I don't care how good/bad console players are, because my opposition is my PC counterparts. Console gamers are not my worry, they are not the ones I have to frag when I log on at night.



There are absolutely some great FPS players on console, absolutely. I would not say that there are fewer talented players on console, but I do think that a PC allows one's talents to increase to a higher ceiling relative to the console gamer.

It's like playing a musical instrument. Would restricting a piano to just 44 keys mean that Bach or Prokofiev is any less talented? Absolutely not. Could they still make beautiful music with those 44 keys? Undoubtedly. But would they ever be able to achieve what they were with a full piano? I doubt it.

A mouse frees you. There's no restriction with it other than what your settings are for the game. It is a perfect imitation of a human movement, so that it allows for the development of so much more finite, precise control at the highest levels of competitive play. Below that, ech, it's debatable.



There's no debating that you can have a blast with a controller and an FPS. I would never attempt to say otherwise. I just think that some, or many (not all) people who proclaim how great it is have never really sat down and attempted to learn the precision a mouse can offer.



Agreed. Strategy is in the mind of the gamer, not the controller he's using. However, again, if a keyboard+mouse allows me to place a flashbang within inches of where it needs to be, and a controller would have restricted that placement, then there stands an argument that can be made that it still allows for a more open combat dynamic.

i've played my share of PC FPS, and i knew someone in high school that used to play all the time and i used to hang out with him a lot. we played Operation Flashpoint, SWAT 3, Counterstrike, Soldier of Furtune, Far Cry, Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear and more. being able to throw a flash bang a 1/10 of an inch to the right or left or whatever is great, but it's not really that important. same with being able to aim a 1/10 of an inch higher, or move more akin to humans. an added key to the right or left on the piano, though: very important. changes everything. you're comparing to things that just aren't comparable. i just think you're making all this accuracy shit out to be more than it is imo. it doesn't improve the gameplay imo. it makes it more complex, but it doesn't imporve it.

either way, i'm done with this. we'll agree to disagree. you'll probably come back with something... it's all a matter of opinion.

[Cry Havoc]

same with being able to aim a 1/10 of an inch higher, or move more akin to humans.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

If you don't know the value of a 10th of an inch when it matters, you've never played FPS at a truly high level. I've gotten headshots from across an entire map when I could only see 1/10th of an inch of a guy's head. I see z0sa lurking this thread, and I'm betting money that he'll absolutely agree with me on this. I can't begin to count the number of times I've got a kill by shooting at 1 or 2 PIXELS of the other person and managing to get a headshot, or take the last of their life off. It happens... maybe once or twice per day. I've killed guys that I didn't think I had a chance to even damage before, because it gave me that 100th of an inch, not even a 10th.

I mean no disrespect, but would you ever tell a quarterback, a hockey player, or hell, a sharpshooter that a 10th of an inch doesn't matter? Often times that's all that does separate good from great. And especially in a game like CoD4, a 10th of an inch could be the difference between getting an airstrike/helicopter and going on a 20-0 run, and getting shot in the face because you're still trying to line up an earlier shot and people are watching where your tracer fire is coming from.

[z0sa]

It doesn't make a difference to the casual gamer, I agree. Yet to one who has weighed the differences and advantages, the idea of relinquishing the m+kb for a controller, at any point, is ridiculous. Once you have tasted it, you realize the controller interface is much inferior, just never feels nearly good enough in many aspects, to be general.

Which is the primary distinction between PC gaming and console gaming, methinks. League play, earning higher placement in said leagues, working with other gamers consistently for a win, etc are seemingly non existent in console gaming on any wide spread scale. Yet in a game like CS, there were literally tens of thousands of teams competing, many just for the fun of it - working together. There was a point when some serious CS players could name almost any CAL-i (highest league level) team and some of their best players (3D - Rambo, one of my all time favs, and HeatoN of SK/NiP are two of the most famous), a truly qualified sport of sorts. Can one watch a match as it occurs between two league teams on a console? Does any type of simplified way of participating in leagues even exist, like in the PC world? And why would a casual console gamer want to, since the vast majority has proven they have no want or need for such high competition?

The difference is not just in the sticks. It's in the high standard the PC community demands compared to their console counter parts. It truly is an elitist positioning, I agree, but is it the PC gamer's fault, for demanding the best and more? Or the console gamer's complacency as long as the playing field is even?

[Cry Havoc]

The difference is not just in the sticks. It's in the high standard the PC community demands compared to their console counter parts. It truly is an elitist positioning, I agree, but is it the PC gamer's fault, for demanding the best and more? Or the console gamer's complacency as long as the playing field is even?

I think that probably has to do with the nature of PC gaming vs. console. Console gamers want to sit in front of their TV and frag some random people, and have never even thought about how great it would be to have a dedicated server to play with the same group of people on. They have their friends list, and matchmaking system, and that's the be-all end-all of multiplayer gaming.

PC gaming has evolved a community that's as much focused on dialogue and discussion about the strategy of the games and the grouping together of people than the game itself. You find a server you like, become familiar with people on it, and actually start to get to know them outside of the game. That makes the gameplay so much more rewarding, IMO. Not only due to the fact that when I used to play on my server, there were several elite players, and if I had a good day against them, it meant I was competing at CAL level play, but also because of the way the PC is not just a gaming tool, but a way of communicating to a network that's much larger than you are.

I STILL talk to people that I met on my original Counterstrike server 9 years ago. How many people can an average console person say they've met on Xbox live without knowing prior and still talk to, years later?

[mingus]

i dont consider myself a casual gamer. then again, it's not my life, and i don't play it competitvely. i play maybe five hours for a whole week with school going on and everything else.

so console gaming is just better for me (and for most people as far as i know). that's what i've said all along though. that for me it's superior. the disagreement i had with you, Cry, is when you said there's no question that PC FP is better. is it more in depth? yeah. is it prettier? yeah. those things don't equate to the PC being better, though, because the definition of better goes beyond that.

[z0sa]

i dont consider myself a casual gamer. then again, it's not my life, and i don't play it competitvely. i play maybe five hours for a whole week with school going on and everything else.

so console gaming is just better for me (and for most people as far as i know).

A fairly telling set of statements. Some questions: why do you include the anecdotal evidence bolded? Do you assert that might=right? And if you consider yourself more than a casual gamer, why? The evidence you have listed points to just that, imo. Most games are competitively natured when online - do you simply not play online?

I don't mean to sound snide, I'm just curious. It doesn't seem like you've addressed any of the points we made through objective means.

[Cry Havoc]

so console gaming is just better for me (and for most people as far as i know). that's what i've said all along though. that for me it's superior. the disagreement i had with you, Cry, is when you said there's no question that PC FP is better. is it more in depth? yeah. is it prettier?

As I've said before, PC FPS is better simply because it has better controls and a better community. Now, since controls are usually one of, if not the most important factor in determining most games, how much of a factor is it in FPS, where split-second reactions are crucial? And why are you asserting that a game with admittedly less control is superior as a game?


yeah. those things don't equate to the PC being better, though, because the definition of better goes beyond that.

Can you name one thing that a console FPS does that's better than a PC FPS?

[Nathan Explosion]

Split screen sucks. And what's preventing you from taking a computer with you? I can take a laptop over to a friends and we can game together with no problems at all.

There's one problem with that. You're actually assuming that laptops for gaming are easily affordable and accessible for everyone.

Fact is, they're not. I love having my whole screen, but there's nothing better than getting some friends together, getting drunk and just playing some games. Sure, elitists are more worried about their scores than they are about the fun, but then again, the stereotypical PC gamer isn't known to have lots of friends. :)

Consoles are social friendly. And for someone like myself, and millions of others, that aspect can't be topped by anything a PC can offer.

[ynh]

Hmmm.. Once again if the main point people are going to throw out to say that the PC is better than a console is because of the mouse and key board you do realize that I can go buy a hookup that will allow me to use that on my console if I wish?

[ynh]

:downspin:

[Cry Havoc]

Hmmm.. Once again if the main point people are going to through out to say that the PC is better than a console is because of the mouse and key board you do realize that I can go buy a hookup that will allow me to use that on my console if I wish?

At which point you're admitting that PC has enjoyed superior control all these years, and also basically making the Ps3/360 a small, underpowered PC.

In which case the PC is still the best due to the community/fan support for it.


There's one problem with that. You're actually assuming that laptops for gaming are easily affordable and accessible for everyone.

Is this the same thread with people talking about the advantages of their 50" LED TV? Cause last I checked, I don't buy the excuse that you can drop upwards of 3 grand on a TV and sound system but you can't afford a $650 laptop.


Fact is, they're not.

Neither are the latest gen consoles. Does that mean a Super Nintendo is superior to the 360, because it's more affordable?


I love having my whole screen, but there's nothing better than getting some friends together, getting drunk and just playing some games.

You mean like LAN parties? Again, we haven't even opened the discussion about the party aspect of console vs. PC. Consoles do indeed win that battle, no argument here, but how often do you have friends over vs. gaming by yourself?


Sure, elitists are more worried about their scores than they are about the fun,

Or getting better and enjoying the accomplishment of pushing a game to the limit. Or having fun because you're learning a more powerful, eloquent control mechanic.


but then again, the stereotypical PC gamer isn't known to have lots of friends. :)

And the stereotypical Halo/Madden gamer is a beer guzzling fratboy. We can play that game. Way to argue the points instead of resorting to insults -- oh wait, that's right, you've never been able to do that. Just keep arguing in favor of hype and ad hominem attacks instead of substance. It's pretty obvious that you're still a little sore over the iPhone vs. Evo threads. :toast :lol


Consoles are social friendly. And for someone like myself, and millions of others, that aspect can't be topped by anything a PC can offer.

What are you talking about? When is the last time you logged onto facebook or a chat client through your console? A PC is THE pinnacle communication tool in the history of our species, and you're saying it bows to a console in the ability to be social and interact with other people? :lol That's.... man.... I just have no words for how inaccurate that is.

By the way, what tool are you using to communicate to me with right now? Is it your Xbox? No? Why not? I thought it was social friendly?

If you don't mind me, I'll just get back to talking to my friends on steam who are all playing a different game right now and debating how good Civ 5 is, if Zerg are underpowered, and if we want to get together this weekend to grab a couple beers. You know, because I can post a message on these forums, chat to friends, and game at the same time on a PC. :tu

[ynh]

At which point you're admitting that PC has enjoyed superior control all these years, and also basically making the Ps3/360 a small, underpowered PC.



Actually no I'm not.. I'm saying if I actually perfered that control setup I can go and get it.. I'm saying that saying that PC is better because of a mouse and keyboard is pretty void because it's not something that can solely be used on a PC.. It's basically the same arguement as when someone said that they can play on a 50 inch tv because of being on a console and the pc guy came back saying so can I..

That's my point exactly.. something that I can use on my console isn't a good reason for you to claim the PC is better because you can use it and it's more common.

[ynh]

IMO the only thing you have is better graphics... IMO consoles are better because I don't have to sit there and check the side of the box to see if I can run the game and have to buy a new video card to do so.

[ynh]

Besides the fact that everyone I personally know plays live

[Cry Havoc]

Actually no I'm not.. I'm saying if I actually perfered that control setup I can go and get it.. I'm saying that saying that PC is better because of a mouse and keyboard is pretty void because it's not something that can solely be used on a PC.. It's basically the same arguement as when someone said that they can play on a 50 inch tv because of being on a console and the pc guy came back saying so can I..

I'm pretty skeptical of how well a M&K will run on a console, as the games are designed to run natively on a joystick.


That's my point exactly.. something that I can use on my console isn't a good reason for you to claim the PC is better because you can use it and it's more common.

And I've yet to meet a single person who does this.


IMO the only thing you have is better graphics... IMO consoles are better because I don't have to sit there and check the side of the box to see if I can run the game and have to buy a new video card to do so.

I can build a PC for $350 that will run any game around today. Sorry -- the cost advantage is an old argument and not applicable anymore. Once again, PCs win due to the number of options they give you. You can spend a little and get a fully functioning computer that also games, or you can spend more and get a system that will destroy either the Ps3 or 360.

[Cry Havoc]

Besides the fact that everyone I personally know plays live

I have 32 friends online on Steam right now. I don't understand what point you're attempting to make besides, "Well people I know play 360 so that makes it better."

[ynh]

Why is the point hard to get.. I very rarely ever have met anyone that plays on a PC.. everyone I know plays 360.. thus I would obvoiusly perfer the 360 to a PC and have little to no interest in playing on the PC..

[Cry Havoc]

Why is the point hard to get.. I very rarely ever have met anyone that plays on a PC.. everyone I know plays 360.. thus I would obvoiusly perfer the 360 to a PC and have little to no interest in playing on the PC..

:lol Do you walk around asking people if they game on PC? How would you expect to meet PC gamers if you own a 360 and only game with other people who have a 360?

The question is, "Which system offers the best gameplay experience?" Having a lot of friends that play 360 does not mean it's a superior system.

[ynh]

I'm pretty skeptical of how well a M&K will run on a console, as the games are designed to run natively on a joystick.



And I've yet to meet a single person who does this.



I can build a PC for $350 that will run any game around today. Sorry -- the cost advantage is an old argument and not applicable anymore. Once again, PCs win due to the number of options they give you. You can spend a little and get a fully functioning computer that also games, or you can spend more and get a system that will destroy either the Ps3 or 360.

It actually runs pretty smoth.. the only issue is that you have to map the keys right.

And yeah you have .. as I said the mouse isn't really just a pc thing.. it is to those that don't know how to use the internet to find other options of control on a console I guess.

Didn't know about the prices.. and if I were to have to build the thing I have zero interest.

[ynh]

How would I expect to meet other PC owners if I'm not on a PC? Shit I don't know.. the way I meet other people in life maybe? Do I have to be a cook to meet people that know how to cook?

[ynh]

The question is as you said which offers the better gaming experience.. playing with those people that I know (and I met these people in real life not on xbox live.. so it just happened that they use live and not stream) is a better gaming experience to me.. thus I don't perfer a PC.

As I said you got graphics ... otherwise I fail to see what is better.

[ynh]

Actually I'll edit that.. I am jealous of the user created content that the PC allows for a game.. that is probably the biggest thing that I would be jealous over.

[Cry Havoc]

Actually I'll edit that.. I am jealous of the user created content that the PC allows for a game.. that is probably the biggest thing that I would be jealous over.

Dedicated servers

Much larger variety of games to play

Huge advantage in portable gaming

Better/more communication options

And perhaps most importantly: Open communities to join. I have only been playing Starcraft II for a few weeks, but I can already safely say that there is NOTHING on console that has the following it does. You can literally immerse yourself 24/7 in Starcraft alone, watching pro matches, watching replays of matches of all skill levels, channels where people are just podcasting information and tournament results, massive, sprawling internet forums for chatting with other players, discussing tactics, etc. Now, of course there are Halo/360 forums, but how do you typically access them? Via a computer, of course.

And the communities aren't nearly as robust. I am a novice at SCII, but I have already been webcast in a King of the Hill match for anyone on the internet to see. It was given play-by-play commentary by some experienced SCII vets who offered me tips to improve my play.

This is, of course, to say nothing about the impact that WoW has had on social gaming.

[mingus]

As I've said before, PC FPS is better simply because it has better controls and a better community. Now, since controls are usually one of, if not the most important factor in determining most games, how much of a factor is it in FPS, where split-second reactions are crucial? And why are you asserting that a game with admittedly less control is superior as a game?



Can you name one thing that a console FPS does that's better than a PC FPS?

i like the feel of the control in my hand a lot better. this isn't even arguable for me. it's the main reason that, TO ME, it's superior. i'm not going to try to convince someone who likes the way something feels that he's wrong, because that's ridiculous.

[Cry Havoc]

i like the feel of the control in my hand a lot better. this isn't even arguable for me. it's the main reason that, TO ME, it's superior. i'm not going to try to convince someone who likes the way something feels that he's wrong, because that's ridiculous.

Which is obviously a completely acceptable rationale for preferring console. However, that is a subjective assessment and does not give any weight to which control dynamic is better. I think a M+K is far more comfortable, because I never have to struggle to get my character to do what I want him to instantly.

[z0sa]

i like the feel of the control in my hand a lot better. this isn't even arguable for me. it's the main reason that, TO ME, it's superior. i'm not going to try to convince someone who likes the way something feels that he's wrong, because that's ridiculous.

Don't you realize the mouse and keyboard invariably feel better once you get used to them? It's not a matter of opinion, for the most part. So I'm not disagreeing with your statement, just saying that due to the way human hand-eye coordination works, and the much broader range of movement allowed, mouse and keyboard always allow much easier control. It's more physics than opinion.

Second, someone asked if I said you are a casual gamer. I don't know, I asked you. No, I don't think all console gamers are casual gamers, but I do think there is a strong correlation between "hardcore" gamers and the PC interface due to its superior technology and controls.

Third, why do console gamers flaunt the "social" aspect of console gaming? Have they never heard of a LAN party, or gaming cafe? The social aspect of PC gaming is less "convenient", I concede; but much more able to carry out its prerogative. Consoles generally are limited to 16 players, so 4 systems on 4 TV's being shared over a network. A typical PC game allows at least double that amount of players, and some far, far more. It has access to generally FREE internet services save the one line being paid for, which can be shared by all. ALL the players locally can play online together without needing to pay any individual fees, provided the host has a good connection and router. And that's discounting the fact there's regular local, social events for PC gamers all over the globe - and the outrageously dedicated, sometimes very large online communities that console gamers typically do not take place in(imo).

[Nathan Explosion]

You mean like LAN parties? Again, we haven't even opened the discussion about the party aspect of console vs. PC. Consoles do indeed win that battle, no argument here, but how often do you have friends over vs. gaming by yourself?

I game at my house by myself most times. However, most of my gaming takes place with my brothers at their house. We often have my 2 brothers, my nephew, a cousin, my mom's boyfriend or my younger brother's best friend over on various occasions. It's so much more fun to just joke with each other and play games in the same room without having multiple consoles or TVs.



Or getting better and enjoying the accomplishment of pushing a game to the limit. Or having fun because you're learning a more powerful, eloquent control mechanic.

That's something someone who LOVES gaming and the tech specs gets into. I don't find any particular joy in that. Fact is, I bet most people don't really care. Just because it's important to you doesn't mean it's important to everyone. Not to mention, if you're not sober, having those intricate controls means shit.




And the stereotypical Halo/Madden gamer is a beer guzzling fratboy. We can play that game. Way to argue the points instead of resorting to insults -- oh wait, that's right, you've never been able to do that. Just keep arguing in favor of hype and ad hominem attacks instead of substance. It's pretty obvious that you're still a little sore over the iPhone vs. Evo threads. :toast :lol

I'm not sore about iPhone vs Evo threads. You're arguing about PCs the same way you argue about the Evo. Just because you like, it has to be the best. Not to mention, I've said numerous times I have an iPhone because I have AT&T.

And like those threads, you're bringing an argument that has no place in this thread into it. You're arguing about PCs when no one really cares because it's a Halo: Reach thread, strictly a 360 game. You would talk about your Evo in an iPhone thread, then claim you weren't starting shit. Again, inferiority complex is showing.

As for the frat boy "dig", thanks for supporting my point. Halo users tend to be people who like social gaming. I like being able to gather friends in the same room and have fun. Talking on mics is okay, but I'm a people person who likes face to face interaction infinitely more.




What are you talking about? When is the last time you logged onto facebook or a chat client through your console? A PC is THE pinnacle communication tool in the history of our species, and you're saying it bows to a console in the ability to be social and interact with other people? :lol That's.... man.... I just have no words for how inaccurate that is.

By the way, what tool are you using to communicate to me with right now? Is it your Xbox? No? Why not? I thought it was social friendly?

I use my iPhone more than I use my computer these days. Major fail.


If you don't mind me, I'll just get back to talking to my friends on steam who are all playing a different game right now and debating how good Civ 5 is, if Zerg are underpowered, and if we want to get together this weekend to grab a couple beers. You know, because I can post a message on these forums, chat to friends, and game at the same time on a PC. :tu

Okay, but I can do all of that too, with the people sitting right next to me, instead of posting messages and talking on mics. Again, having a friend in the room is much more social than over the internet. There's not screen to hide behind.

[Nathan Explosion]

:lol Do you walk around asking people if they game on PC? How would you expect to meet PC gamers if you own a 360 and only game with other people who have a 360?

The question is, "Which system offers the best gameplay experience?" Having a lot of friends that play 360 does not mean it's a superior system.

Actually, yes. When talking MW2, the question being asked was, "What do you game with?" Then we segregated into groups by consoles and PCs. BTW, PCs were almost non existent. I think we had 1 guy who played COD4 on PC and that was it.

And the real question wasn't even a question, but more of a statement. It's at the top and says "Halo Reach is out."

So why is there PC talk in a thread about a 360 title?

[Cry Havoc]

I game at my house by myself most times. However, most of my gaming takes place with my brothers at their house. We often have my 2 brothers, my nephew, a cousin, my mom's boyfriend or my younger brother's best friend over on various occasions. It's so much more fun to just joke with each other and play games in the same room without having multiple consoles or TVs.

Again. That's the definition of casual gaming. You could throw on SNES with Super Bomberman and have a blast. It's not a legitimate argument to make that consoles are superior in this regard, because we're talking about gaming at a high level of play.


That's something someone who LOVES gaming and the tech specs gets into. I don't find any particular joy in that. Fact is, I bet most people don't really care. Just because it's important to you doesn't mean it's important to everyone. Not to mention, if you're not sober, having those intricate controls means shit.

And most people are idiots. Most people are walking around with those white iPod earbuds in their ears still -- does that mean they are the best headphone on the market? Now, obviously the 360 is a very quality system, so I'm not comparing it vs. the iBuds, I'm just making the point that what the general public knows and cares about is an illogical argument to make.

To respond to something else... you don't love gaming? Really? So why are you arguing the point?


I'm not sore about iPhone vs Evo threads. You're arguing about PCs the same way you argue about the Evo. Just because you like, it has to be the best. Not to mention, I've said numerous times I have an iPhone because I have AT&T.

And I'm stating very concrete reasons why I think so. You are welcome to refute them. This is how debate works. You stating that "PC gamers are lonely losers" is a far lower, baseless tactic to attempt to give credence to your viewpoint. Most PC gamers I know are very well socially integrated with a lot of friends, g/fs, etc. The idea that they are fat coke bottle glasses wearing geeks is rather silly, considering about 10 years ago that's exactly how console gamers were perceived. Ah, but society has accepted them, so we're the "cool" kids now if we have a Ps3/360. :lol


And like those threads, you're bringing an argument that has no place in this thread into it. You're arguing about PCs when no one really cares because it's a Halo: Reach thread, strictly a 360 game. You would talk about your Evo in an iPhone thread, then claim you weren't starting shit. Again, inferiority complex is showing.

Nice try. I didn't start this. Phyzik did on page 4, and as usual console fanboys were stating inaccuracies about PC gaming. People felt the need to respond and start the debate. I was just correcting mistakes.


As for the frat boy "dig", thanks for supporting my point. Halo users tend to be people who like social gaming. I like being able to gather friends in the same room and have fun. Talking on mics is okay, but I'm a people person who likes face to face interaction infinitely more.

I've already said that consoles are better for having a few people over to party with. I think a LAN party is even better, though.


I use my iPhone more than I use my computer these days. Major fail.

Ah, so because you use your iPhone more, that discounts the entire computer revolution of the past 20 years and how the digital age has changed the way people communicate. :lol PCs remain the best tool for communication over a variety of formats. I can't even believe you would attempt to argue this point. Consoles don't even have the most popular game -- that's WoW, so the whole, "Well more people prefer console" is kind of silly.


Okay, but I can do all of that too, with the people sitting right next to me, instead of posting messages and talking on mics. Again, having a friend in the room is much more social than over the internet. There's not screen to hide behind.

I guess it doesn't count when I take my laptop over to my friends house to game because we're on separate screens?


Actually, yes. When talking MW2, the question being asked was, "What do you game with?" Then we segregated into groups by consoles and PCs. BTW, PCs were almost non existent. I think we had 1 guy who played COD4 on PC and that was it.

Well when I go into MY group of friends, blah blah blah....

I can't believe people on Spurstalk still think that a single example is enough to base an entire argument on a topic like this. Well, MY friend survived Ebola, so that obviously means it's not a deadly disease! :lol


And the real question wasn't even a question, but more of a statement. It's at the top and says "Halo Reach is out."

Great, which is why I was just casually browsing the thread until I saw someone make statements that aren't true.


So why is there PC talk in a thread about a 360 title?

Why are you responding to the PC talk and then complaining that there is too much of it? You are propagating the very thing you're accusing me for being wrong of. If you don't want to talk about it because it's a Halo thread, by all means that's a legitimate reason. Don't argue with me over several posts and then break out the "Hur hur Halo thread u shuldnt post" BS because you don't have any legitimate reasons other than being able to see your friends when you play, which has already been refuted and trumped, since you can't game in a cafe with a 360.

Basically, I'm bringing real points and advantages, and you can't respond with anything of substance so you're arguing semantics and throwing a fit about PC gamers all being socially inept and the title of the thread. Nice job. :lol It's interesting to note that you accuse PC gamers of having no friends, yet you can't have discourse without resorting to generalized insults against an entire group of people. Though I would say that (likely) just makes you a lousy debater rather than socially inept. :toast

[mingus]

Don't you realize the mouse and keyboard invariably feel better once you get used to them? It's not a matter of opinion, for the most part. So I'm not disagreeing with your statement, just saying that due to the way human hand-eye coordination works, and the much broader range of movement allowed, mouse and keyboard always allow much easier control. It's more physics than opinion.


i've never had a probelm trying to control my guy in FPS to the point where i've said, "damn, i wish i had a mouse" EXCEPT in one game: Fallout 3. clunky controls. otherwise, i get around just fine. and you act like i've never played PC before. i've played a lot. played Rogue Spear for about three years at one point. played Swat 3. Counterstrike. i've had no desire to stick to FPS on PC when i could have. i'm more comfortable with a control.

not to mention the fact that, like i said befoer, i like to just kick back when i'm playing my x-box. i usually sit on a sofa that's 10 or so feet from the t.v. and have a body positioned in a way that would make it hard if not impossible to use a keyboard and mouse.

[ynh]

Anytime I have had an issue I just went to options and upped the sensitivity.

[ynh]

BTW I suck ass at Halo online.. obviously starting with halo reach I am behind 90 percent of the people online and I'm a gigantic noob.

[z0sa]

not to mention the fact that, like i said befoer, i like to just kick back when i'm playing my x-box. i usually sit on a sofa that's 10 or so feet from the t.v. and have a body positioned in a way that would make it hard if not impossible to use a keyboard and mouse.

That's an interesting point. One theoretically could do the same with m+kb, but with much more difficulty.

[balli]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you can use a 360 controller for certain windows branded PC games, no? Or at least some sort of a handheld controller?

[resistanze]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you can use a 360 controller for certain windows branded PC games, no? Or at least some sort of a handheld controller?

Yessir

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/productdetails.aspx?pid=091

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2136-Halo-Reach

:lmao

"Not within spunking distance of classic territory."

Too true.

[balli]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2136-Halo-Reach

:lmao

"Not within spunking distance of classic territory."

Too true.
First. You haven't played it.

Second, Ben Croshaw shits all over everything and given how cynical he normally is, actually gave Reach a decent review.

Third, you shouldn't care one little bit. You don't own a 360. Posting a laughing emoticon and what you consider a bad review does nothing more than expose your own flinty inferiority complex.

You don't wanna play Reach? Cool. You don't wanna own a 360? Cool. You wanna talk a bunch of shit on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? Not cool. Thanks for turning the thread dedicated to one of the biggest 360 gaming releases of the year into a PC vs Console debate and a stupid, immature 'lol' pissing contest.

[BlairForceDejuan]

Using a console controller for a FPS is like putting swimming flippers on your hands to dribble a basketball.

That being said, I switched over to 100% console gaming and am cool with it. Playing FPS is just too handicapped though if you grew up on PCs.

[ynh]

I guess in the same breath sport games are dog shit on the pc compared to console.

[Cry Havoc]

First. You haven't played it.

Second, Ben Croshaw shits all over everything and given how cynical he normally is, actually gave Reach a decent review.

Third, you shouldn't care one little bit. You don't own a 360. Posting a laughing emoticon and what you consider a bad review does nothing more than expose your own flinty inferiority complex.

You don't wanna play Reach? Cool. You don't wanna own a 360? Cool. You wanna talk a bunch of shit on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? Not cool. Thanks for turning the thread dedicated to one of the biggest 360 gaming releases of the year into a PC vs Console debate and a stupid, immature 'lol' pissing contest.

It's not a pissing contest. Why do console-only gamers feel the need to make untrue statements about the capabilities of the PC? I have a Ps3. I love it. But I have never bought an FPS for a console since Goldeneye for a very specific reason.


I guess in the same breath sport games are dog shit on the pc compared to console.

Except for the fact that you can buy controllers for the PC.

[ynh]

And you can buy a mouse for a console...

[balli]

It's not a pissing contest. Why do console-only gamers feel the need to make untrue statements about the capabilities of the PC?
Because they offer emotionally based responses when they're baited into it by pompous elitists who are out to ruin their experience.


But I have never bought an FPS for a console since Goldeneye for a very specific reason.
Great. Never again cite Killzone or MAG as reasons to own PS3.


It's like this. When I'm at Costco buying wild sockeye fillets I feel no need to lean over to the people at the next case who are buying that farmed Atlantic shit, and tell them how inferior they are. Would you? Because that's what you're doing when you talk down to people because they enjoy a more casual experience than you do. It's highly unnecessary. And frankly, none of your business.

[mingus]

why pc sucks ass for me:

i can't sit 10 feet from the screen on my couch, i like the feel of the controller in my hand more, i only know people who play consoles and it's cool to play game with them. it's all subjective. it humors me when someone tells me one is better over the other as if it's a matter of fact when it clearly is not.

[Cry Havoc]

And you can buy a mouse for a console...

In which case, you are essentially playing on a stripped down computer. The main differences between a console and a gaming computer at this point now are graphical capabilities, in which the PC soundly trounces any console for (arguably) a similar cost.


why pc sucks ass for me:

i can't sit 10 feet from the screen on my couch, i like the feel of the controller in my hand more, i only know people who play consoles and it's cool to play game with them. it's all subjective. it humors me when someone tells me one is better over the other as if it's a matter of fact when it clearly is not.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/productdetails.aspx?pid=091

Microsoft XBox 360 Controller for Windows.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131327&cm_re=5770-_-14-131-327-_-Product

Video card with a native HDMI out to connect to any HDTV for gaming.


Because they offer emotionally based responses when they're baited into it by pompous elitists who are out to ruin their experience.

I didn't start the argument in this thread, and I'm certainly not out to ruin anyone's experience. :lol If a couple of people on an internet forum can ruin Halo for you, maybe you shouldn't be here in the first place?


Great. Never again cite Killzone or MAG as reasons to own PS3.

Not a problem, as long as 360 owners stop citing FPS games as reasons to own that system. I list them because if you're debating the merits of a single system with no alternative, the Ps3 has some FPS games that stand up to the 360.


It's like this. When I'm at Costco buying wild sockeye fillets I feel no need to lean over to the people at the next case who are buying that farmed Atlantic shit, and tell them how inferior they are. Would you?

Well, your analogy is kind of a ridiculous stretch, but I'll take you up on it.

If they're relatively similar in price and taste better, I certainly would recommend trying it out to them.

Similarly, if I heard them saying things to other customers about how the brand I'm buying kills dolphins and employs slave labor, and I knew that these facts were not true, I definitely would make an appeal for the brand that I prefer.


Because that's what you're doing when you talk down to people because they enjoy a more casual experience than you do.

Which I've already stated is the case, but that doesn't mean I'm talking down to them. It's called rational discourse. Arguing points and counterpoints with someone does not infer that one side is inferior. Lighten up.


It's highly unnecessary.

You're right. The other discussions on SpursTalk, like this Halo thread, are completely necessary. There's nothing extraneous about a geek section on a sports website at all. :lol


And frankly, none of your business.

They are free to make use of the ignore button if they so please. Alternatively, they can choose not to read or respond to future posts from me.

Out of curiosity, when did you become the internet police? Do you find it interesting that you can tell me I'm talking down to other users and then presume to decide what is and is not my business on an open membership, relatively almost completely unregulated internet forum?

[balli]

Do you find it interesting that you can tell me I'm talking down to other users and then presume to decide what is and is not my business on an open membership, relatively almost completely unregulated internet forum?
I'm not telling you anything. I'm suggesting you not be a dickhole.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm not telling you anything. I'm suggesting you not be a dickhole.

So correcting people's false assumptions or information = being a dickhole. Got it.

And no offense, but you telling someone else not to be an ass is just funny. I like you as a poster and I even find your rage refreshing, but come on, man. :lol

[balli]

So correcting people's false assumptions or information = being a dickhole.
Obviously they're wrong. Why have the debate? Consensus already won for you.

And I don't even know who or which side brought up the PC debate, but fuck, people deserve to be able to talk about the new maps, DMR rifle and Reach in general without a bunch of people who haven't even played the game coming into the thread to tell them ad nauseum how much the shit sucks because it doesn't utilize a mouse.

[leemajors]

I would just say there is definitely a higher ceiling for skill with a PC for FPS games, simply due to the greater amount of precision and control available with those input devices. Obviously some prefer one, and others another. Games have been trending away from catering to the hardcore PC crowd though, simply due to better sales for that platform. Once you do get used to a mouse and kb, it's difficult to go back in an FPS, but inversely, getting used a a mouse and keyboard coming from a game pad can be equally frustrating.

[z0sa]

And no offense, but you telling someone else not to be an ass is just funny.

Indeed. Balli's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

With the kind of tail he supposedly gets, I'm surprised he puts up with us lowly Geek Zoners at all.

[ynh]

In which case, you are essentially playing on a stripped down computer. The main differences between a console and a gaming computer at this point now are graphical capabilities, in which the PC soundly trounces any console for (arguably) a similar cost.

?

You do realize that, untill recently, the nba 2k games that were going to the computer were PS2 ports? As I said.. consoles have the better sport games.

[Cry Havoc]

You do realize that, untill recently, the nba 2k games that were going to the computer were PS2 ports? As I said.. consoles have the better sport games.

It's no doubt that consoles do fighting and sports games better than PC. Hence why I've already stated in this thread: "Consoles are better for sports and fighting games than PCs are."

[ynh]

Sorry.. must of missed that.. only remembered you saying that you can get a controller for the pc after I stated that sport games were better on consoles.