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balli
09-01-2010, 11:59 AM
David Brooks: Our problem is mental flabbiness
The New York Times

In 1811, the popular novelist Fanny Burney learned she had breast cancer and underwent a mastectomy without anesthesia. She lay down on an old mattress, and a piece of thin linen was placed over her face, allowing her to make out the movements of the surgeons above her.

“I felt the instrument — describing a curve — cutting against the grain, if I may so say, while the flesh resisted in a manner so forcible as to oppose & tire the hand of the operator who was forced to change from the right to the left,” she wrote later.

“I began a scream that lasted intermittingly during the whole time of the incision — & I almost marvel that it rings not in my ears still.” The surgeon removed most of the breast but then had to go in a few more times to complete the work: “I then felt the Knife rackling against the breast bone — scraping it! This performed while I yet remained in utterly speechless torture.”

The operation was ghastly, but Burney’s real heroism came later. She could have simply put the horror behind her, but instead she resolved to write down everything that had happened. This proved horrifically painful. “Not for days, not for weeks, but for months I could not speak of this terrible business without nearly again going through it!” Six months after the operation she finally began to write her account.

It took her three months to put down a few thousand words. She suffered headaches as she picked up her pen and began remembering. “I dare not revise, nor read, the recollection is still so painful,” she confessed. But she did complete it. She seems to have regarded the exercise as a sort of mental boot camp — an arduous but necessary ordeal if she hoped to be a person of character and courage.

Burney’s struggle reminds one that character is not only moral, it is also mental. Heroism exists not only on the battlefield or in public but also inside the head, in the ability to face unpleasant thoughts.

She lived at a time when people were more conscious of the fallen nature of men and women. People were held to be inherently sinful, and to be a decent person one had to struggle against one’s weakness. In the mental sphere, this meant conquering mental laziness with arduous and sometimes numbingly boring lessons. It meant conquering frivolity by sitting through earnest sermons and speeches. It meant conquering self-approval by staring straight at what was painful.

This emphasis on mental character lasted for a time, but it has abated. There’s less talk of sin and frailty these days. Capitalism has also undermined this ethos. In the media competition for eyeballs, everyone is rewarded for producing enjoyable and affirming content. Output is measured by ratings and page views, so much of the media, and even the academy, is more geared toward pleasuring consumers, not putting them on some arduous character-building regime.

In this atmosphere, we’re all less conscious of our severe mental shortcomings and less inclined to be skeptical of our own opinions. Occasionally you surf around the Web and find someone who takes mental limitations seriously. For example, Charlie Munger of Berkshire Hathaway once gave a speech called “The Psychology of Human Misjudgment.” He and others list natural weaknesses: We have confirmation bias; we pick out evidence that supports our views. We are cognitive misers; we try to think as little as possible. We are herd thinkers and conform our perceptions to fit in with the group.

But, in general, the American culture places less emphasis on the need to struggle against one’s own mental feebleness. Today’s culture is better in most ways, but in this way it is worse.

The ensuing mental flabbiness is most evident in politics. Many conservatives declare that President Barack Obama is a Muslim because it feels so good to say so. Many liberals would never ask themselves why they were so wrong about the surge in Iraq while George Bush was so right. The question is too uncomfortable.

There’s a seller’s market in ideologies that gives people a chance to feel victimized. There’s a rigidity to political debate. Issues like tax cuts and the size of government, which should be shaped by circumstances (often it’s good to cut taxes; sometimes it’s necessary to raise them), are now treated as inflexible tests of tribal purity.

Very few in public life habitually step back and think about the weakness in their own thinking and what they should do to compensate. A few people I interview do this regularly (in fact, Larry Summers is one). But it is rare. The rigors of combat discourage it.

Of the problems that afflict America, this is the underlying one.

DarrinS
09-01-2010, 12:23 PM
Didn't this guy once write an entire article about Obama's pants?

balli
09-01-2010, 12:25 PM
You are the exact type of idiot David Brooks is talking about and I had you specifically in mind when I posted it. A snivelling, easily manipulated, selfish jackass, willing to grovel at the feet of whatever feels best. Fuck people like you Darrin.

DarrinS
09-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Brookes describing his first meeting with Obama in 2005:

"Usually when I talk to senators, while they may know a policy area better than me, they generally don’t know political philosophy better than me. I got the sense he knew both better than me. [...] I remember distinctly an image of--we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant, and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.”

:lmao


He and Chris Matthews both have a man crush on The One.

Supergirl
09-01-2010, 12:49 PM
good article

balli
09-01-2010, 12:49 PM
You are a braying jackass, Darrin.

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 12:53 PM
Go cut your man tits off Balli.

balli
09-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Go cut your man tits off Balli.

Shouldn't you be jacking off to your daddy's money right now?

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 01:10 PM
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao @ daddys money

Typical loser to think that's where money comes from.

balli
09-01-2010, 01:12 PM
Yup. Daddy's money. Daddy's ranch where you pretend to be a cowboy. Probably Daddy's company too. No?

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 01:12 PM
Yup. Daddy's money. Daddy's ranch where you pretend to be a cowboy. Probably Daddy's company too. No?

No and No

balli
09-01-2010, 01:12 PM
Yes.

Spurminator
09-01-2010, 01:37 PM
He and Chris Matthews both have a man crush on The One.


But, in general, the American culture places less emphasis on the need to struggle against one’s own mental feebleness.

boutons_deux
09-01-2010, 01:49 PM
He's calling other people flabby? how's this for flabbiness:

Nation Building Works

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/opinion/31brooks.html?ref=davidbrooks&pagewanted=print

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His huge failure is that he's comparing Iraq now to where it was after US destroyed it, rather than where Iraq would be now if the US had not destroyed it.

Saddam still in power is much preferable to USA's invasion.

CavsSuperFan
09-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I went on vacation the same time as President Obama...We both had to get away from it all and not do anything of significance...

George Gervin's Afro
09-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Darrins = mental feebleness

Spurminator
09-01-2010, 01:59 PM
Looks like this article pisses off the mentally flabby on both sides.

Success.

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 02:09 PM
Yes.

:lmao

http://www.ahya.org/amm/artimg/jealousy.jpg

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 02:11 PM
David Brooks is terminally guilty of mental flabbiness. The OP consists of little more than the emotional appeal of Ms. Burney plus Brooks's grave nod to the toughness of our ancestors.

balli
09-01-2010, 02:13 PM
Other than nailing DarrinS to a T... the Huxley reader in me was tickled by Brooks floating the notion that capitalism is undermining our cognitive willpower. Purposefully. I enjoy the idea that we're all being made fat and lazy and complacent by our pleasures and antipathy.

(Except of course for the true nutjobs on the far-right [Palinites], who might otherwise be stupid sheep bounded by ease, but participate so fully in Orwellian double-think that it's impossible to really know what drives their non-thinking other than fear and hatred.)

balli
09-01-2010, 02:15 PM
:lmao

http://www.ahya.org/amm/artimg/jealousy.jpg

Oh no. I'm a nepotist in the extreme. The difference being I don't worship it and selfishly/routinely cry for more.

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Oh no. I'm a nepotist in the extreme. The difference being I don't worship it and selfishly/routinely cry for more.

WTF?

I don't think nepotist is the word you thought you were using...

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 02:20 PM
... the Huxley reader in me was tickled by Brooks floating the notion that capitalism is undermining our cognitive willpower. Purposefully. I enjoy the idea that we're all being made fat and lazy and complacent. Mischievous delight in the misfortune of others. You got it. :tu

balli
09-01-2010, 02:21 PM
WTF?

I don't think nepotist is the word you thought you were using...

Nepotism is favoritism granted to relatives or friends, with no regard to merit.[1] The word nepotism is from the Latin word nepos (meaning "nephew" or "grandchild").

Beneficiary of a nepotist, then. Whatever.

DarrinS
09-01-2010, 02:22 PM
http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/barack-obama-shirtless_448x629.jpg



<gulp>OMG! What a specimen! I bet he has a nicely creased pants!

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/04/02/opinion/ts-brooks-190.jpg





Uhhh....uhhh...AAAAHHHHHHH!
Speaking of pants. I just ruined mine.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/31161/thumbs/s-MATTHEWS-ON-LENO-large.jpg

balli
09-01-2010, 02:24 PM
This column, Darrin, has nothing to do with Obama. And everything to do, with you.

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 02:29 PM
@DarrinS:

Your resort to gay-baiting was not so much spontaneous as clearly foreshadowed.

(We heard you the first time (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4606593&postcount=4).)

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 02:34 PM
Nepotism is favoritism granted to relatives or friends, with no regard to merit.[1] The word nepotism is from the Latin word nepos (meaning "nephew" or "grandchild").

Beneficiary of a nepotist, then. Whatever.

I know exactly what nepotism is. Which was totally out of context with your next sentence...


Oh no. I'm a nepotist in the extreme. The difference being I don't worship it and selfishly/routinely cry for more.

The only logical conclusion was that you meant to use hedonist and are now trying to scratch and cover.

balli
09-01-2010, 02:36 PM
I know exactly what nepotism is.
I know you do. Mr. self reliance.

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 02:38 PM
whats your point? Were you a test tube baby?

balli
09-01-2010, 02:41 PM
You gripe and gripe and gripe about the Nazi like injustice of a 3.6% hike in capital gains tax, et al. And are not so much conservative fiscally, as you are selfish. On the regular.

So when you call me a bitch, I like to point out what a hypocrite, product of entitlement you are. That's my point.

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 02:42 PM
You gripe and gripe and gripe about the Nazi like injustice of a 3.6% hike in capital gains tax, et al. And are not so much conservative fiscally, as you are selfish. On the regular.

So when you call me a bitch, I like to point out what a hypocrite you are. That's my point.

tch tch tch

Jealousy is an ugly thing.

balli
09-01-2010, 02:44 PM
Like I said, I know who I am. And am grateful. I don't think the same holds true for you though.

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 02:51 PM
I know I'm grateful I'm not you. You just come off as an angry hateful little bitch.

vy65
09-01-2010, 02:54 PM
Damn good article. Although, I don't agree with the subtle religion = self evaluation and self betterment innuendo made.

And do fucksticks like Darrin realize how big of a retarded shithead he looks like?

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 02:54 PM
Can you two go private with this? The topical connection is non-existent at this point as are handles for third-parties. JMO.

DarrinS
09-01-2010, 02:55 PM
Damn good article. Although, I don't agree with the subtle religion = self evaluation and self betterment innuendo made.

And do fucksticks like Darrin realize how big of a retarded shithead he looks like?


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! :cry


LOL @ "fucksticks" and calling someone retarded in the same sentence.

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 02:55 PM
(Sorry, vy65. Welcome.)

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 02:56 PM
New flame war. Goody.

vy65
09-01-2010, 02:59 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! :cry


LOL @ "fucksticks" and calling someone retarded in the same sentence.

Do you have anything substantive to add to the subject of this conversation?

balli
09-01-2010, 03:03 PM
Can you two go private with this? The topical connection is non-existent at this point as are handles for third-parties. JMO.

meh, like I said twice, I know who I am. I think we summed one another up pretty nicely.

CavsSuperFan
09-01-2010, 03:03 PM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TV3medoczZi9oM:http://eu.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/confused-full.jpg

When I read a Bali post I immediately think of a person who is happy & centered…I can’t understand why Cosmic can’t see that?

balli
09-01-2010, 03:04 PM
^ Ouch. Bad time for that post huh?

LnGrrrR
09-01-2010, 03:07 PM
Eh, Brooks never has hindsight.

CosmicCowboy
09-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Balli clearly doesn't understand subtle humor.

TeyshaBlue
09-01-2010, 03:18 PM
David Brooks is terminally guilty of mental flabbiness. The OP consists of little more than the emotional appeal of Ms. Burney plus Brooks's grave nod to the toughness of our ancestors.

There is an odd synchronicity to the appearance of this thread relative to bouton's asinine muslim/christian/repug shell game tho.

That the perception of Obama currying Muslim favor persists and in some circles, increases, lends some credence to Brook's observations....as do the cries of the synchophants of the left ala' boutons, and this week, Huffpo.

TeyshaBlue
09-01-2010, 03:20 PM
Also Winehole's avatar = oddly disturbing.

DarrinS
09-01-2010, 03:27 PM
Fuck David Books.


There's my contribution.

TeyshaBlue
09-01-2010, 03:30 PM
Fuck David Books.


There's my contribution.

That's some hard thinkin'. Congrats, Cletus.:lol

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 03:42 PM
Mighty Boosh reference.

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 03:51 PM
9OSQOz3W0u4

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 03:54 PM
There is an odd synchronicity to the appearance of this thread relative to bouton's asinine muslim/christian/repug shell game tho.

That the perception of Obama currying Muslim favor persists and in some circles, increases, lends some credence to Brook's observations....as do the cries of the synchophants of the left ala' boutons, and this week, Huffpo.We're coming to the height of the political silly season. The noise to signal ratio was not favorable to begin with.

TeyshaBlue
09-01-2010, 04:02 PM
9OSQOz3W0u4

Ahhh...never could get into the Boosh. My bad.:lol

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 04:03 PM
Fortunately it's not required.

cheguevara
09-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Yup. Daddy's money. Daddy's ranch where you pretend to be a cowboy. Probably Daddy's company too. No?

what?

:lol if true

balli
09-01-2010, 04:19 PM
I actually have no idea :lol. I'm more than skeptical of upward mobility though. My own circumstances included.

cheguevara
09-01-2010, 04:23 PM
well I have seen some of his posts.

I picture him sitting in a porch in his rach, cowboy hat, laptop in front of him, and clutching a 6 shooter waiting for illegals to pass by his property.

DarrinS
09-01-2010, 04:54 PM
I actually have no idea :lol. I'm more than skeptical of upward mobility though. My own circumstances included.

It probably difficult to move up when you spend most of your day smoking weed and playing X-box.

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 10:37 PM
Fuck David Books.


There's my contribution.
He spat.

After embellishing your own vulgarity failed you tried to break it off short, proudly profane to the last.

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 10:38 PM
You crack me up, D. :lol

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 10:40 PM
Also Winehole's avatar = oddly disturbing.
Say, are you a size 14?

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 11:21 PM
It probably difficult to move up when you spend most of your day smoking weed and playing X-box.You say that like it's a bad thing.

Winehole23
09-01-2010, 11:22 PM
(Profane)

ChumpDumper
09-01-2010, 11:23 PM
It probably difficult to move up when you spend most of your day smoking weed and playing X-box.As opposed to spending most of your day at work posting on a message board and playing fantasy football.

DarrinS
09-02-2010, 07:34 AM
You crack me up, D. :lol


Hey, I'm here to entertain YOU, WH. :toast

TeyshaBlue
09-02-2010, 09:10 AM
Also Winehole's avatar = oddly disturbing.



Say, are you a size 14?

:lol:lol:lol