NEWSFLASH: People in Gulf Getting Sick from Corexit.. Chicken Little's pissing black!

[Parker2112]

EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool — JUST ONE HOUR NORTH OF TAMPA (lab report included)
Posted By oilflorida On August 30, 2010 @ 9:13 am In Damage Reports,Health Risks | 46 Comments (http://spurstalk.com/forums/#comments_controls)


*Exclusive* Credit: FloridaOilSpillLaw.com
“Our heads are still swimming,” stated Barbara Schebler of Homosassa, Florida, who received word last Friday that test results on the water from her family’s swimming pool showed 50.3 ppm of 2-butoxyethanol, a marker for the dispersant Corexit 9527A used to break up and sink BP’s oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
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The problems began for the Scheblers a few weeks after the April 20 blow-out. “Our first clue were rashes we both got early in May. Both my husband and I couldn’t get rid of the rashes and had to get cream from our doctor,” Schebler noted, “I never had a rash in my life.”
Then, on “July [23], my husband Warren mowed the lawn. It was hot so he got in the pool to cool off afterward. That afternoon he had severe diarrhea and very dark urine. This lasted about 2 days,” she revealed.

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Initially, they reasoned this was caused by the heat. The following week Mr. Schebler again mowed the lawn and went in the pool, and again he was sickened with the same severe symptoms.
Suspicious that the pool may be a problem, the family set out to get the water tested. “We have a 15 year old and felt we owed it to him to live in a clean, healthy environment,” said Mrs. Schebler.
The Scheblers found Robert Naman, a Mobile, Alabama chemist who’s performed multiple tests (1 (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/shock-water-sample-exploded-when-chemist-tested-for-oil-most-likely-methane-or-corexit) [3], 2 (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/wkrg-tests-more-gulf-sand-most-oil-yet-at-281-ppm-infant-crawls-in-highly-toxic-puddle-while-family-watches-video) [4], 3 (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/alert-13-3-ppm-of-corexit-found-inland-near-florida-border-chemist-says-tests-show-2-butoxyethanol-from-9527-video-photos) [5]) for WKRG Channel 5, also out of Mobile.
“Warren collected a water sample from the pool filter on August 17th… packed the sample according to Mr. Naman’s instructions, and overnighted it to his Mobile, Ala. lab that same day,” she noted.
The results were delivered by Naman over the phone on August 27 at 11:00 a.m. EDT. A copy of the findings were then e-mailed to the Scheblers. To view the document, click here (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/homosassa_results.gif) [1].
“Naman [said] our pool water sample we sent him contained 50.3 ppm [parts per million] 2-butoxyethanol marker for Corexit,” according to Mrs. Schebler. Tests for arsenic came back at less than .02 ppm.
A July letter (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_RNIt_CegM4J:msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/Sections/aNEWS/2010/07-July%252010/ScientistsConsensusStatement.pdf+2+butoxyethanol+% 22highly+toxic%22&cd=54&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) [6] from four top scientists noted, “Corexit 9527A contains 2-BTE (2-butoxyethanol), a toxic solvent that ruptures red blood cells, causing hemolysis (bleeding) and liver and kidney damage (Johanson and Bowman, 1991, Nalco, 2010).”
The safety data sheet (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:jziZmuO4Am0J:www.deepwaterhorizonresponse. com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf+Corexit+9527&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi--2HmVYD-Iqscpa28BDyVoVpIHeEpAfOvRRfdbxYptCJapFEPumIXLYVlG2 EsuAsbzL8DVNm-lSbq-hu6SKPxRwpQJKmMgaSiV-W23VZU1L22pYLhoWvsCtTq5-pfnGrsM7TD&sig=AHIEtbSMs5F5lyi8um5wXWUOxyTWXX64sw) [7] provided by Nalco, the manufacturer of Corexit 9527A, warns, “Harmful if absorbed through skin. May be harmful if swallowed. May cause liver and kidney effects and/or damage. There may be irritation to the gastro-intestinal tract.”
Mr. Schebler’s “severe diarrhea and very dark urine” appear to indicate gastro-intestinal tract irritation.
BP Press Officer Daren Beaudo released a statement (http://www.dailyfinance.co.uk/2010/08/28/bp-gulf-oil-spill-dispersants/) [8] on August 28 that reads, “Unified Command records indicate that the last date of use of the Corexit 9527 was May 22,” almost three months before the samples were taken from the pool.
Yet, the Schebler’s report is the second time in the last 10 days that the 2-butoxyethanol marker for Corexit 9527A has been discovered near the Gulf. It has also been found near the Florida border in Cotton Bayou, AL, at about 1/4 the level as in Homosassa, FL. A WKRG segment from August 19 (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/alert-13-3-ppm-of-corexit-found-inland-near-florida-border-chemist-says-tests-show-2-butoxyethanol-from-9527-video-photos) [5] featured an inland water sample that tested for 13.3 ppm of the Corexit dispersant.
The question remains, how did this chemical find its way into the Schebler’s pool in such a high concentration?
“At night we would hear very low aircraft, including helicopters. We figured they were just heading to help out in the Gulf,” and Mrs. Schebler added that she was told, “The prevailing winds from the Gulf are easterly — and when they spray, it is airborne — and that we are right in the path of those winds.” It was also noted that, “We had alot of rain here before my husband got sick, and wondered what was going on… We had been having daily downpours in July.”
There is no way to be sure at this point. Though she stated, “Friends a few miles away… are having [a] similar situation. They are now thinking of getting their water tested.”
As for the family’s current physical well being, “We both still have rashes that will not go away if we stop the cream we were given by our doctor. Warren still gets diarrhea on and off – this never happened with this frequency before.”
But the trauma is not only physical. Here are the answers of the Scheblers when asked about the current situation at their home and in their area:

“We spoke to a number of mothers and fathers last evening [August 27]. Most have not even heard of Corexit. … But for the most part, parents with small children were concerned.”
“Some of the neighbors we spoke to were more worried about home values than pollution.”
“We are hoping for someone to come and do more samplings, we were told we shouldn’t eat anything from outside as it probably will all be tainted. It seems that we are the first to check on this, we’re sure all our neighbors on this coast will have the same outcome.”
“We are lost. We would like more testing. We’ve reached out to a few people we thought could tell us where we go from here, but haven’t as of yet received any direction. We are not completely able to grasp what this means.”
“We feel it is a horrible environment to live in and frankly, would like to leave the area. We believe that if this substance is in our pool, it could very well be in the air, especially because of the rashes we continue to apply medication to. We’re not sure if this will enter the groundwater, or even already has. We feel other people need to know that if it’s in our backyard, it is most definitely in other backyards.”
“Where we go from here, we do not know.”

Additional responses shared by the Scheblers:

A friend told us a few months ago that [the nuclear power station located less than 15 miles north is] checking constantly for the underwater plumes, because they could shut down the plant.
Warren cleans the lanai [around the pool] with a power washer, no chemicals at all. We’ve never used or purchased Simple Green [which contains 2-butoxyethanol].
We were stunned to see our beautiful, wine red daylillies turn a yellow-white color and die [around the end of June]. The plant kept producing sickly blooms after that, which would die on the stem. We’ve never seen a red flower turn color. The plants are 3 years old. Extremely odd – we should have taken pictures of that, but didn’t…
One of our dogs had severe diarrhea for a week [in early May]. Neighbors have reported similar findings.
Additional information on dispersant use:

BP Press Officer Daren Beaudo’s August 28 statement (http://www.dailyfinance.co.uk/2010/08/28/bp-gulf-oil-spill-dispersants/) [8] on dispersant use: “The last day of all dispersant use was July 19… Unified Command has not used any dispersants since then.”
Because the Unified Command claims to no longer be using dispersant since as of July 19, does not mean all dispersant use has ended. As BP Mobile Incident Commander Keith Seilhan revealed (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/bp-backpedal-we-are-not-using-dispersants-but-not-certain-about-others-we-have-lots-of-contractors-but-no-one-should-be-using-them) [9] last week, “‘We are not using dispersants and haven’t been for some time’… But when asked whether contractors who operate in state waters could be, he said he could not be certain. ‘We have lots of contractors, but no one should be using them.’”
Why would dispersants still be in use? See yesterday’s article (http://www.pnj.com/article/20100829/NEWS01/8290333/Oil-spill-BP-reverses-admits-there-s-oil-in-local-waters) [10] in the Pensacola News Journal, that reported documents show tons of submerged oil being removed by the bucket full from Pensacola coast — Feds, BP still in public denial (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/coverup-confirmed-documents-show-tons-of-submerged-oil-being-removed-by-the-bucket-full-from-pensacola-coast-feds-bp-still-in-public-denial) [11]
Aug. 28: INLAND: City officials find 66 ppm of COREXIT DISPERSANT near Florida/Alabama border (VIDEO) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/inland-city-officials-find-66-ppm-of-corexit-dispersant-near-floridaalabama-border-video) [12]
Aug. 25: 13.3 ppm of COREXIT found INLAND, near Florida border — Chemist says tests show “toxic solvent” 2-butoxyethanol that “RUPTURES red blood cells” (VIDEO & PHOTOS) (http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/alert-13-3-ppm-of-corexit-found-inland-near-florida-border-chemist-says-tests-show-2-butoxyethanol-from-9527-video-photos) [5]
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Toxicologist discusses dispersants being sprayed on land:


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URLs in this post: [1] Image: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/homosassa_results.gif
[2] View Larger Map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode=&q=homosassa+34446&sll=28.752009,-82.564316&sspn=0.134243,0.891953&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Homosassa,+Citrus,+Florida+34446&t=h&ll=28.632747,-81.573486&spn=1.928496,3.834229&z=7&iwloc=A
[3] 1: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/shock-water-sample-exploded-when-chemist-tested-for-oil-most-likely-methane-or-corexit
[4] 2: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/wkrg-tests-more-gulf-sand-most-oil-yet-at-281-ppm-infant-crawls-in-highly-toxic-puddle-while-family-watches-video
[5] 3: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/alert-13-3-ppm-of-corexit-found-inland-near-florida-border-chemist-says-tests-show-2-butoxyethanol-from-9527-video-photos
[6] July letter: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_RNIt_CegM4J:msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/Sections/aNEWS/2010/07-July%252010/ScientistsConsensusStatement.pdf+2+butoxyethanol+% 22highly+toxic%22&cd=54&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[7] safety data sheet: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:jziZmuO4Am0J:www.deepwaterhorizonresponse. com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf+Corexit+9527&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi--2HmVYD-Iqscpa28BDyVoVpIHeEpAfOvRRfdbxYptCJapFEPumIXLYVlG2 EsuAsbzL8DVNm-lSbq-hu6SKPxRwpQJKmMgaSiV-W23VZU1L22pYLhoWvsCtTq5-pfnGrsM7TD&sig=AHIEtbSMs5F5lyi8um5wXWUOxyTWXX64sw
[8] released a statement: http://www.dailyfinance.co.uk/2010/08/28/bp-gulf-oil-spill-dispersants/
[9] revealed: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/bp-backpedal-we-are-not-using-dispersants-but-not-certain-about-others-we-have-lots-of-contractors-but-no-one-should-be-using-them
[10] article: http://www.pnj.com/article/20100829/NEWS01/8290333/Oil-spill-BP-reverses-admits-there-s-oil-in-local-waters
[11] documents show tons of submerged oil being removed by the bucket full from Pensacola coast — Feds, BP still in public denial: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/coverup-confirmed-documents-show-tons-of-submerged-oil-being-removed-by-the-bucket-full-from-pensacola-coast-feds-bp-still-in-public-denial
[12] INLAND: City officials find 66 ppm of COREXIT DISPERSANT near Florida/Alabama border (VIDEO): http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/inland-city-officials-find-66-ppm-of-corexit-dispersant-near-floridaalabama-border-video

[Parker2112]

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/

Topical current articles for those interested.

[Wild Cobra]

Please explain how sea water is getting into people's swimming pools.

[Wild Cobra]

Just how big is this swimming pool anyway? If it is 1200 cubic feet, it would have almost 1/2 gallon of the chemical in it. If it's a lawn pool like 12 ft diameter, 4 ft tall, it would still have 1/6 gallon. Even a kids pool at 4ft diam x 1 ft deep would need 2.4 fluid ounces.

Just how was this to get in? At this level, I would suspect an enemy purposely put that in their pool if this is true, and not from equipment out of calibration, or contaminated from a previous test.

[DarrinS]

Didn't Wild Cobra just destroy Nbadan on this same topic yesterday?

[Wild Cobra]

Didn't Wild Cobra just destroy Nbadan on this same topic yesterday?
very well I think.

[SnakeBoy]

They're not getting seawater in their pools WC. It's in the article, the dispersant was sprayed and the wind carried the mist to their pool. Since then they have had minor medical problems that fit the MSDS. I wonder who their lawyer will be.

[Parker2112]

Check out the lab report...it was in there. I dont know these folks, and cant explain whats going on down there.

Keep in mind these guys are not the only ones complaining of issues with the swimming pool..

and also keep in mind you are not there WC, and all your conclusions are based on assumptions as a result.

[Parker2112]

Didn't Wild Cobra just destroy Nbadan on this same topic yesterday?

Arent you destroyed here on a daily basis, you little numbskull weasel :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Keep in mind these guys are not the only ones complaining of issues with the swimming pool..


Yeah, I read it in the article. Their friends are all thinking of getting their pools tested. Class Action?

[DarrinS]

Homosassa, Florida

[Wild Cobra]

They're not getting seawater in their pools WC. It's in the article, the dispersant was sprayed and the wind carried the mist to their pool. Since then they have had minor medical problems that fit the MSDS. I wonder who their lawyer will be.
Yes, but a mist to the magnitude I listed to get to 50 ppm?

Just how do you get 2.4 ounces of it in mist form over a 4 ft. diameter swimming pool, or 1/6th gallon over a 12 ft diameter, or 1/2 gallon over a normal sized personal ground swimming pool?

This place is how far inland? Looks like about 10 miles. Wow... I found an article with a goggle map link:

EXCLUSIVE: BP Spill Dispersant Found in Florida Pool. Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool — JUST ONE HOUR NORTH OF TAMPA (lab report included) (http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/5200/EXCLUSIVE-BP-Spill-Dispersant-Found-in-Florida-Pool-Tests-find-sickened-family-has-503-ppm-of-Corexits-2-butoxyethanol-in-swimming-pool-JUST-ONE-HOUR-NORTH-OF-TAMPA-lab-report-included.aspx)

Here is their covered pool from street view (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tampa+florida&sll=45.449423,-122.666109&sspn=0.011892,0.018218&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Tampa,+Hillsborough,+Florida&ll=28.735431,-82.528996&spn=0.001357,0.002277&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.735148,-82.52915&panoid=7JS5_b4PphT9kfIis64oPA&cbp=12,157.3,,0,12.42):

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/contamonatedpool.jpg

Looks like approximately 15 x 10 ft.

[DarrinS]

That is one magic mist. It stayed airborne (how many miles) and landed in that one pool. Sweet.


EDIT> And it's covered? WTF?

[Wild Cobra]

That is one magic mist. It stayed airborne (how many miles) and landed in that one pool. Sweet.
A covered pool at that!

[Parker2112]

misleading discussion here.

The point is not how it got there.

The point is toxicity of the dispersant.

[Wild Cobra]

misleading discussion here.

The point is not how it got there.

The point is toxicity of the dispersant.
How did it get there is enough quantity to register at 50.3 ppm?

The only solution I see is either the measurement was way off, or someone purposely put it in the swimming pool.

[4>0rings]

Homosassa, FloridaYou should probably go live there.

[Parker2112]

How did it get there is enough quantity to register at 50.3 ppm?

The only solution I see is either the measurement was way off, or someone purposely put it in the swimming pool.

So, in the face of first hand accounts, folks on the scene, lab reports and cited info throughout, you, WC, from all the way across the continent, with no first-hand knowledge whatsoever, are disputing this event as having any validity whatsoever.

And it just so happens to conflict with your own preconceived notions of what is going on with the spill.

And with your party affiliation's line as well.

http://libn.com/libizblog/files/2009/06/145052885_61c12c3608.jpg

It all adds up!

[Winehole23]

One rounded sentence suffices for the banner. JMO.

[Winehole23]

@Parker2112:

Who's pissing black again?

[Wild Cobra]

So, in the face of first hand accounts, folks on the scene, lab reports and cited info throughout, you, WC, from all the way across the continent, with no first-hand knowledge whatsoever, are disputing this event as having any validity whatsoever.
Why are you so willing to believe what is obvious bullshit?

Explain how 1/4 to 1/2 gallon of that chemical, which is only 30% to 60% of COREXIT® EC9527A (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9527A_MSDS.539295.pdf), and doesn't exist in COREXIT® EC9500A (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Corexit_EC9500A_MSDS.539287.pdf). It would require between 1/2 gallon to 1-1/2 gallon of the dispersant to do so.

Please explain to me how that is possible, 10 miles inland. If there was that much in the air, there would be serious issues other than just swimming pools.

Tell me. How many other pools tested for close to this level?

And it just so happens to conflict with your own preconceived notions of what is going on with the spill.

And with your party affiliation's line as well.

Are you looking in a mirror?

Question...

Do you ever research your statements, or do you one of those useful idiots that repeat the propaganda of others?

[Blake]

Do you ever research your statements, or do you one of those useful idiots that repeat the propaganda of others?

:lmao

[Parker2112]

WC, how the hell do you expect anyone to trust your scientific and mathematical conclusions here? Why would anyone trust you on these issues? And anyway, you have a clear and admitted conflict of interest here. Please just give it up.

And 2. You want to say that I buy this solely because it supports my views? The thing is, you havent provided any credible criticism to cast doubt of the statements in this article. You have never shown where your rough calculations come from. You have no one double checking your work. Wheres the formula? What nmbers are you using here? Looks more like rough guestimates of a ready-made skeptic.

Sorry, but you arent really the goto guy when it comes to debunking the oil spill's affects...you are a biased source. You will not be trusted outside of remarkable transparency. And the transparency of the logic behind your statements is 0.

[Parker2112]

your continual "how could this happen? this couldnt happen." doesnt fly. Unless you can attack the facts as written, it happened.

Can you discredit the sources? No. The accounts? no.

Can you discredit the analyses? No. The lab? no.

All you can do is cry impossibility. from thousands of miles away.

[Wild Cobra]

your continual "how could this happen? this couldnt happen." doesnt fly. Unless you can attack the facts as written, it happened.

I'm sorry if you don't understand certain things.

53 parts per million means that it isn't part of the remaining 999947 parts. The recipical of 0.000053 is 18,868. If we assume that pool to be 10' x 15' x 4' average depth, it would be 4,488 gallons. That, multiplied by 0.000053 is 0.236 gallons needed for that size pool of the chemical. If only 30% in in it, it would take 0.8 gallons of the dispersant. At 50%, it would take 0.4 gallons.

If you cannot explain how an aerial mist can travel the multiples of miles out at sea from where it was sprayed, to accumulate in that quantity so far away, I'm all ears.


Can you discredit the sources? No. The accounts? no.

I don't know what the facts are except it is impossible for that much to end up in the swimming pool, without being intentionally placed there.


Can you discredit the analyses? No. The lab? no.

No, but I offered the possibility that the equipment was still contaminated from a different sample, and that maybe the calibration was off.

can you prove either theory wrong?


All you can do is cry impossibility. from thousands of miles away.

Maybe hundreds of miles. I don't know how close to Florida dispersants were sprayed. But yes, impossible. If there was that much in the air, the whole city would be having health problems, and populations within the path it was carried.

[Nbadan]

Please explain how sea water is getting into people's swimming pools.

:lol the professor!

[SnakeBoy]

Just how do you get 2.4 ounces of it in mist form over a 4 ft. diameter swimming pool, or 1/6th gallon over a 12 ft diameter, or 1/2 gallon over a normal sized personal ground swimming pool?


I don't know, pour 2.4 ounces in your pool blame it on BP and sue them maybe. Who knows but the story reads like someone trying to setup a lawsuit to me.

[Nbadan]

Nothing to see here, move along..

lYjkFN7X-Xg

[Wild Cobra]

I don't know, pour 2.4 ounces in your pool blame it on BP and sue them maybe. Who knows but the story reads like someone trying to setup a lawsuit to me.
Sometimes people do just that. I wouldn't yet suggest that, but did this guy have enemies that had access to the chemicals?

[Nbadan]

bLvNqlVNMh0

[Wild Cobra]

Nothing to see here, move along..

lYjkFN7X-Xg
Ever see how many boats are in the area? Then... to test a marina for oil... Yes, we know it's there, just from boats!

I'll bet if I took water samples from the Columbia river in the Portland area, some would be that high too.

Just how do you assess how much the oil spill caused without a "before" sample?

Can someone find me some "before samples" please.

[SnakeBoy]

bLvNqlVNMh0

That chick from globalreport at :25 mark cracked me up. Talk about the typical liberal greenie chick stereotype. I thought she was going to start talking about schweaty balls.

[RandomGuy]

Please explain how sea water is getting into people's swimming pools.

Here is your trophy for Not Reading the Whole Article. :lobt:

Congratulations, you're a winner! :tu

(if you had bothered to read the whole thing you might have seen the mention of spraying aircraft in the area)

[DarrinS]

Here is your trophy for Not Reading the Whole Article. :lobt:

Congratulations, you're a winner! :tu

(if you had bothered to read the whole thing you might have seen the mention of spraying aircraft in the area)


How'd it get into a COVERED pool?

Also, if this theory is correct, would hundreds of pools in that area be similarly affected?

I think you're above the kind of paranoia that Nbadan and his ilk put out there.

[RandomGuy]

So, in the face of first hand accounts, folks on the scene, lab reports and cited info throughout, you, WC, from all the way across the continent, with no first-hand knowledge whatsoever, are disputing this event as having any validity whatsoever.

And it just so happens to conflict with your own preconceived notions of what is going on with the spill.

And with your party affiliation's line as well.

http://libn.com/libizblog/files/2009/06/145052885_61c12c3608.jpg

It all adds up!

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=57&pictureid=325

You will find a lot of hard-line libertarians are generally incapable of seeing past their own confirmation bias.

That isn't to say his criticisms are without merit. Even knee-jerk skepticism can be helpful in overcoming one's own confirmation bias, with the occasional salient point.

One thing that occurred to me to wonder about was the formation of a water-spout. Such waterborne tornados are capable of sucking water and fish out of bodies of water such as lakes and coastal regions, and pushing the contents of that water far into the sky, only to fall to the ground many miles away.

There are many accounts of fish and amphibians "falling from the sky" that are generally believed to be the result of this.

If such a dispersant were sprayed on the surface shortly before one of these events, then it would be present in high concentrations in the water sucked into the air.. Given the accounts of frequent rain storms in the area, it would seem to be to be a not-too implausible explanation for this.


http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/rainingfrogs.html

http://www.scienceline.org/2006/09/physics-cosier-rainingfish/

[RandomGuy]

How'd it get into a COVERED pool?

Also, if this theory is correct, would hundreds of pools in that area be similarly affected?

I think you're above the kind of paranoia that Nbadan and his ilk put out there.

It is not paranoid to think that accidents or acts of negligence occasionally happen, Darrin.

I doubt highly that, if an aircraft were indeed responsible for the contamination, it was intentional.

[DarrinS]

It is not paranoid to think that accidents or acts of negligence occasionally happen, Darrin.

I doubt highly that, if an aircraft were indeed responsible for the contamination, it was intentional.


Ok, maybe not paranoid, but just devoid of common sense.

It's very unlikely an airborne toxin struck one man's COVERED pool.

[CosmicCowboy]

10 to 1 odds they are upside down on their mortgage and faked it trying to stir up a class action lawsuit/settlement from the BP money.

[Parker2112]

Nothing to see here, move along..

lYjkFN7X-Xg

Who could have poured oil in this hole after the little boy dug it? Sounds like Obama, or the little boy wants to sue....

[Drachen]

DarrinS, I read the article yesterday, so maybe I forgot this, but how do you know it was covered? Also, isn't it possible that the 50.3 ppm was slightly higher than the average dispersal through the pool as the lab instructed the man to get the water from the filter?

[Parker2112]

DarrinS, I read the article yesterday, so maybe I forgot this, but how do you know it was covered? Also, isn't it possible that the 50.3 ppm was slightly higher than the average dispersal through the pool as the lab instructed the man to get the water from the filter?


very good call. The most likely logic I have heard so far.

And this coming after our own resident conservative scientist WC has tried to explain away the same thing 20 different ways, armed with only pure disbelief :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, taking the sample from the pool filter was bullshit. It makes any ppm reading they got totally irrelevant. That would be like scraping the filter in your air conditioner to get an air sample.

[CosmicCowboy]

very good call. The most likely logic I have heard so far.

And this coming after our own resident conservative scientist WC has tried to explain away the same thing 20 different ways, armed with only pure disbelief :lol

I pointed out the problem with the sample location in the other thread yesterday.

[Parker2112]

I pointed out the problem with the sample location in the other thread yesterday.

never read the other thread.

[Drachen]

I would think that it wouldn't be quite like the air filter/air example that someone else gave since both substances in this case are liquid (of varying densities, I imagine). I do, however think that there would be SOME kind of effect.

[Parker2112]

Another Oil Rig has Exploded in the Gulf.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202733.html?hpid=topnews

[RandomGuy]

Ok, maybe not paranoid, but just devoid of common sense.

It's very unlikely an airborne toxin struck one man's COVERED pool.

Please provide proof showing whether or not the pool was covered on each of the last 365 days.

Then provide proof of daily covering/non-covering of all the pools in the area, so we can adequately determine whether the covering of any given pool on the day a single photograph was taken is relevant.

[DarrinS]

Please provide proof showing whether or not the pool was covered on each of the last 365 days.

Then provide proof of daily covering/non-covering of all the pools in the area, so we can adequately determine whether the covering of any given pool on the day a single photograph was taken is relevant.


Let's say it was wide open and 20 time bigger than it actually is.


Still doesn't make sense that this one guy was targeted by the magic mist.

[RandomGuy]

Let's say it was wide open and 20 time bigger than it actually is.


Still doesn't make sense that this one guy was targeted by the magic mist.

So when you said:


It's very unlikely an airborne toxin struck one man's COVERED pool

You had no proof of how much or how often the man's pool is covered or not, other than one picture, is that correct?

[DarrinS]

You had no proof of how much or how often the man's pool is covered or not, other than one picture, is that correct?


Let's say he had an olympic-sized poll (clearly it is not). It still doesn't make sense that the magic cloud of toxin only struck his pool.

[RandomGuy]

Let's say it was wide open and 20 time bigger than it actually is.


Still doesn't make sense that this one guy was targeted by the magic mist.

The article noted that several friends of the people mentioned in the article living "miles away" noted some similar symptoms.

Your statement seems to imply that only this family was affected.

What data do you have that supports this assertion?

Have you interviewed the neighbors? Have you tested other bodies of water nearby?

[RandomGuy]

Let's say he had an olympic-sized poll (clearly it is not). It still doesn't make sense that the magic cloud of toxin only struck his pool.

So the answer is "No, I had no evidence showing how often the pool is covered, but simply assumed from one picture that it must be a lot, because I essentially stated that it was always covered."

Thank you.

Do you often make such wild leaps of deduction on such small amounts of evidence?

[DarrinS]

So the answer is "No, I had no evidence showing how often the pool is covered, but simply assumed from one picture that it must be a lot, because I essentially stated that it was always covered."

Thank you.

Do you often make such wild leaps of deduction on such small amounts of evidence?


Didn't I already grant you that with my olympic-size swimming pool example.


Do you believe it makes sense that this omipotent cloud of carginogens only landed in this guy's pool?

[ChumpDumper]

How many other pools have been tested for these materials?

[Drachen]

DarrinS the article specifically states that others have complained of similar symptoms. His is the only one that was lab tested so far. Additionally, if you used Google Maps as your source of info about a covered pool, then shame on you. I bought my house in april of 2008 and the picture has been from the previous owner until last month.

[ChumpDumper]

Is it on a flaglot?

[Drachen]

Is it on a flaglot?

No, it is a large square corner lot.

[SnakeBoy]

Another Oil Rig has Exploded in the Gulf.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202733.html?hpid=topnews

Dammit! Will George Bush ever stop?

[clambake]

Is it on a flaglot?

:lol

[RoddyBukkake]

That isn't a covered pool its a screened pool very common in Florida, doesn't keep rain or wind out but is supposed to keep out the giant mosquitoes.

[ChumpDumper]

That isn't a covered pool its a screened pool very common in Florida, doesn't keep rain or wind out but is supposed to keep out the giant mosquitoes.No!

It's hermetically sealed with its own air supply.

It's a hyperbaric gazebo.

[DarrinS]

Has anyone in San Antonio tested their pools. I think we're about the same distance away as Tampa is from the spill.

[admiralsnackbar]

If we're playing the speculation game, seems just as plausible that the cover went on the pool after it was exposed in order to keep people from swimming in it and/or prevent the loss of evidence to evaporation.

Who covers their pool in the summer in TX? Not like there are any leaves.

[ChumpDumper]

Has anyone in San Antonio tested their pools. I think we're about the same distance away as Tampa is from the spill.Have you ever heard of ocean currents, DarrinS?

I thought not.

[DarrinS]

So, gulf air never enters Texas air space. That's interesting.

[admiralsnackbar]

No!

It's hermetically sealed with its own air supply.

It's a hyperbaric gazebo.

:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

So, Darrin doesn't know what an ocean is. That's interesting.

I'm not saying this story is completely true, but Darrin's stupidity is completely true.

[Parker2112]

Has anyone in San Antonio tested their pools. I think we're about the same distance away as Tampa is from the spill.

:loser

[Wild Cobra]

Here is your trophy for Not Reading the Whole Article. :lobt:

Congratulations, you're a winner! :tu

(if you had bothered to read the whole thing you might have seen the mention of spraying aircraft in the area)

NBA Dan posted this on the 30th in a different thread:

EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool — JUST ONE HOUR NORTH OF TAMPA (lab report included) (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4603913&postcount=97)
EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool — JUST ONE HOUR NORTH OF TAMPA (lab report included)
August 30th, 2010 at 09:13 AM Print Post Email Post


....................

“Warren collected a water sample from the pool filter on August 17th… packed the sample according to Mr. Naman’s instructions, and overnighted it to his Mobile, Ala. lab that same day,” she noted.

The results were delivered by Naman over the phone on August 27 at 11:00 a.m. EDT. A copy of the findings were then e-mailed to the Scheblers. To view the document, click here.

“Naman said our pool water sample we sent him contained 50.3 ppm
(parts per million) 2-butoxyethanol marker for Corexit,” according to Mrs. Schebler. Tests for arsenic came back at less than .02 ppm.

A July letter http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_R... from four top scientists noted, “Corexit 9527A contains 2-BTE (2-butoxyethanol), a toxic solvent that ruptures red blood cells, causing hemolysis (bleeding) and liver and kidney damage (Johanson and Bowman, 1991, Nalco, 2010).”
The linked article says this:

“Our first clue were rashes we both got early in May. Both my husband and I couldn’t get rid of the rashes and had to get cream from our doctor,”

“The prevailing winds from the Gulf are easterly — and when they spray, it is airborne — and that we are right in the path of those winds.”I didn't compare the two, read both, and believe they are the same. They don't know what they are talking about. A easterly wind blows east to west, not from the spill to Florida. that would be a westerly.
A few weeks later with a easterly wind? give me a break. hence my response.

Buy a clue please. Read and understand the article before accusing me of not doing so.

[LnGrrrR]

No!

It's hermetically sealed with its own air supply.

It's a hyperbaric gazebo.

:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

I wasn't aware that San Antonio had a border with a body of water, as Tampa does... When did this occur?

[Wild Cobra]

You know, I just read where corexit breaks down in 28 days. the marker would no longer be present. How many days from the last time that type of corexit was used, until the water sample?

[Wild Cobra]

That isn't a covered pool its a screened pool very common in Florida, doesn't keep rain or wind out but is supposed to keep out the giant mosquitoes.
Do you know what "Surface Tension" is? Sure, some of the chemical if transported in water mist could fall into the pool, but most of it would have rolled down and outside the pool. This means even a greater amount would have had to be present to account for 50.3 parts per million.

[Parker2112]

A team from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Woods Hole, Mass., reported in August that it had mapped a giant plume, or cloud, of oil floating beneath the surface. It is one of three or four plumes other groups have also reported.
This cloud was about as tall as a 50-story office building and more than a mile long. It was floating more than 3,000 feet beneath the surface, and the researchers say that’s mysterious. Oil usually floats on top of water, but there may be many of these plumes crawling along, deep underwater.

[Parker2112]

Robert Herrin, beach vendor: “You could see nothing but pitch black water. The waves were almost just sludge like, just rolling in sludge it was so thick. And it was matting on the shoreline. I would say at least this thick in some places.” [Hands apart almost a foot]. … “Sunglasses, aluminum cans, also marine life was caught inside there and had died cause they couldn’t escape.”…”We all definitely think that it’s oil spill related, there’s nothing like this that has ever happened.”
WEAR: It washed in Friday behind the Sterling Sands Condominiums in Destin, a smelly black mat, hundreds of yards long and full of debris. … BP… say[s] what washed up on the beach was something called black algae, no oil involved. To many here, that answer is a tough sell. … Shave ice vendor Lisa Hagen thinks either oil or dispersants somehow created the strange mass… “So you’re not convinced that it was just black algae?”
Lisa Hagen, beach vendor: “I’ve never heard of black algae. I don’t even know what black algae is. If there is black algae out there, I’ve never seen it in Destin or Fort Walton Beach in forty years. I would like a researcher to come in, an independent researcher and give me some answers, or give the town some answers.”

[Parker2112]

After the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska, rates of suicide, domestic violence and divorce soared in areas most affected by the disaster. Health leaders have been concerned the same is ahead for Gulf Coast communities where generations of families have earned their livings from local waters.
In late August, teams of local and federal experts conducted emergency surveys in Bayou La Batre, Coden and Dauphin Island to determine the spill’s impact on physical and mental health.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is due to release survey results in about two weeks, according to Dr. Bernard Eichold, who leads the Mobile County Health Department.

[Parker2112]

6drasiXNFaw

[RandomGuy]

Didn't I already grant you that with my olympic-size swimming pool example.


Do you believe it makes sense that this omipotent cloud of carginogens only landed in this guy's pool?

I do not.

I assume that there is some grain of truth to the fact that the pool was contaminated.

However,
There is no evidence that this was the only pool so contaminated. You made that assumption, despite having no data on any surrounding bodies of water.

Given that there was some contamination, we can deduce a couple of things:

1. The data is faked. In which case, we would expect nearby areas to have bodies of water free of the chemical, and no other cases of such rashes.

2. The data is real. There should easily be traces of contaminant in nearby areas.

Given that there is some data that there is contamination in nearby areas suggested by others becoming sick as reported in the OP, that would seem to indicate that your stated assumption, "only landed in this guy's pool", is factually in error.

I am sure, in any event, that more data will be gathered, and the truth/falsity of the claim will become more clear as a result.

The funny thing about this whole episode is how quickly you and WC are to pooh-pooh the possibility of pollution, and how badly you both applied critical thinking and logic to this.

You assumed, based on almost no evidence that the pool was always covered, and further assumed, based on no evidence that I could see, that his pool was the only place that was affected.

What evidence do you have that his pool was the only thing affected, Darrin?

[Wild Cobra]

Random, to my knowledge, the only other reported area of contamination was a bay, open to the sea. The question still remains about levels. How did so much of the marker become present without causing an area wide problem?

What directions did the wind blow? In the OP, the winds would not have carried it there. They were wrong about the winds, what else where they wrong about?

[Parker2112]

Robin Young [is] a 47-year-old director of guest services for a property management company in Orange Beach, Alabama…

Just a few days after BP’s oil made landfall along the Alabama Gulf Coast in June, Ms. Young’s symptoms started with “a fiery, burning sore throat,” she said. Then came the horrible, constant cough, followed by an achy feeling much like a severe flu virus — and a lethargy that kept her in bed for two weeks solid. Her memory started playing tricks on her, and her motor skills and even hand-to-eye coordination went south. …

Her new friends [she met while communicating with others who were sickened]… soon started a nonprofit group called Guardians of the Gulf [and] tried to find a local doctor to help them. After having no luck, they eventually found an out of state toxicologist and a doctor who knew enough about a new area of occupational and environmental health to order blood tests.

They found Dr. Michael R. Harbut, a clinical professor of Internal Medicine and director of the Environmental Cancer Program at Wayne State University’s Karmanos Cancer Institute, board certified in Occupational and Environmental Medicine. And they found Metametrix, a lab to test their blood.

What they found in the blood tests was a stew of toxic chemicals directly associated with oil and gas production and the chemical dispersant Corexit, including ethylbenzene, xylene and high levels of hexane, a hydrocarbon chiefly obtained by the refining of crude oil.

The long-term toxicity of hexane in humans is extensive peripheral nervous system failure. The initial symptoms are tingling and cramps in the arms and legs, followed by general muscular weakness. In severe cases, skeletal muscles atrophy and those exposed suffer a loss of coordination and vision problems, the very symptoms Ms. Young reported. …

Ms. Young and her friends are now being told they need a high resolution scan of their lungs, brain, liver and kidneys.

“They’ve also told us that in five to 10 years — they don’t have a time frame, they’re just guessing,” she said, “that we could come down with some godawful form of cancer.”




Early on, [Robin Young, a 47-year-old director of guest services for a property management company in Orange Beach, Alabama]… invited a crew from Bio-Cascade, air-pollution specialists out of New Jersey and Boston, to come down and test the air. She put them up in a house right on the beach.

On the third day John Vallier of Bio-Cascade woke up with a sore throat. He put the air monitoring machine on the deck and within 15 minutes it showed 110 parts per million of Volatile Organic Compounds in the air. The crew quickly packed and said they would help from outside the vicinity of the bad air coming off the Gulf. It was striking how scared they were and how fast they got out of town, Ms. Young said, while EPA was downplaying the threat coming from its own air monitoring stations. …

[Parker2112]

UjNtC1Msg10

[Parker2112]

See if you repugs can figure out what this means:

An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth400049.html)

How bout this one:

We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth101309.html)
One more:

Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth403521.html)

[Wild Cobra]

A team from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Woods Hole, Mass., reported in August that it had mapped a giant plume, or cloud, of oil floating beneath the surface. It is one of three or four plumes other groups have also reported.
This cloud was about as tall as a 50-story office building and more than a mile long. It was floating more than 3,000 feet beneath the surface, and the researchers say that’s mysterious. Oil usually floats on top of water, but there may be many of these plumes crawling along, deep underwater.
Are these the same plumes that have been eaten by the newly discovered bacterial waste, and are no longer considered oil?

[Wild Cobra]

See if you repugs can figure out what this means:

How bout this one:

One more:
Idiot.

Quotes of MLK do not belong here, but if you want one:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It really pisses me of that people quote the great man without understanding him. Today's blacks are full of hate that MLK would be ashamed of today.

[Parker2112]

Idiot.

Quotes of MLK do not belong here, but if you want one:

It really pisses me of that people quote the great man without understanding him. Today's blacks are full of hate that MLK would be ashamed of today.

1st: these quotes have value with any repug at any time anywhere

2nd: "Todays blacks" is an ignorant overgeneralization typical of your ilk

3rd: I dont think you can speak for him. Nor can your heros at fox network.

4th: If he's so great how do you dismiss his quotes so readily?

5th: Your a fraud

6th: All repugs need to read those and take them to heart

[Parker2112]

Once more, for emphasis

See if you repugs can figure out what this means:


An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth400049.html)










How bout this one:


We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth101309.html)










One more:


Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth403521.html)

[Wild Cobra]

6th: All repugs need to read those and take them to heart
I don't know of any "repugs" here, boutons III.

[Parker2112]

I don't know of any "repugs" here, boutons III.

Yoni and DarrinS are completely repugnant IMHO. So reconsider that.

[Parker2112]

In reopening about 5,130 square miles of Gulf waters to shrimping and fishing Thursday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration proclaimed the shrimp and seafood safe. But [Gina Solomon, senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defense Council] said the data indicate that the agency only used data from 12 samples of shrimp, consisting of 73 individual shrimp, for its evaluation.


http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/09/more_seafood_testing_needed_sc.html

[Wild Cobra]

Yoni and DarrinS are completely repugnant IMHO. So reconsider that.
I would disagree. They may hold more favor to the republican party than I do, but they have criticized them often enough. They are not blind followers.

[Wild Cobra]

parker...

You afraid to link things?

More seafood testing needed, scientist says (http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/09/more_seafood_testing_needed_sc.html)

[Parker2112]

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/09/more_seafood_testing_needed_sc.html

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't see that before. Did you edit your other post?

[RandomGuy]

Random, to my knowledge, the only other reported area of contamination was a bay, open to the sea. The question still remains about levels. How did so much of the marker become present without causing an area wide problem?

What directions did the wind blow? In the OP, the winds would not have carried it there. They were wrong about the winds, what else where they wrong about?

From what I have seen, you have assumed that the person speaking in regards to the winds saying the word "easterly" used the word correctly.

When the person says "the winds blow from the gulf" that is in direct contravention to their statement of "easterly", you, being yourself, focused on the definition of the word "easterly", and assumed that when they said "the winds blow from the gulf" they were obviously wrong, because they used a word that means the opposite.

My understanding of winds on coastlines, is that they exibit the following patterns:
Blow out to sea at night when its cooler
Blow in from sea during day when its warmer
(double checked this, and it was correct:
http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/weather/teachers/teachers_wind.html )

Further it isn't really hard to find weather data for anywhere online these days:
http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KFLCRYST7&day=19&year=2010&month=5&graphspan=week

That is the weather data for the week of May 19, 2010 for the city in question. You can thumb through the rest of the time period yourself, but my review shows that the above mentioned pattern generally holds, with the highest wind speeds being those coming in from the west, inland, during the warmest part of the day.

There were some days with moderate amounts of precipitation, and there is again, the possibility that some form of waterspout may have formed, sucking up water and launching it quite some distance, to come down again as rain.

Interestingly enough, when she reported that her flowers started looking "sickly" at the end of June, the week previous showed the highest levels of rainfall for the month.

It generally takes a few days for water to get from the roots of a plant to the top.

This would seem to indicate that there was indeed something in the rain.

You are the chemist, what is the level of water solubility and volatility (evaporative pressure) of the chemicals involved?

It is possible that a good amount of this chemical, sprayed on a large surface area of warm water would have evaporated to some degree, become airborne and been aborbed by low-level clouds?

[RandomGuy]

The fact that nearby vegetation showed signs of unusual distress further evidences that some kind of contamination was present in areas outside the pool, although without specific testing one can't conclusively determine that the cause of the distress was the same as the contaminant in the pool. It is not an unreasonable assumption though, given proven levels of chemical in the pool.

[RandomGuy]

More information on waterspouts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterspout

They are "common in coastal areas" and can form in relatively weak winds, providing an easy conduit for surface water to be sucked into forming clouds, as their lifecycle tends to be during the time in which rain clouds are forming.

Whee. Interesting lesson in atmospherics.

All in all, it seems fairly plausible to me that surfactant sprayed on to protect a coastline from observed globs of oil could be carried inland a ways.

[Wild Cobra]

From what I have seen, you have assumed that the person speaking in regards to the winds saying the word "easterly" used the word correctly.

When the person says "the winds blow from the gulf" that is in direct contravention to their statement of "easterly", you, being yourself, focused on the definition of the word "easterly", and assumed that when they said "the winds blow from the gulf" they were obviously wrong, because they used a word that means the opposite.

It's so laughable, some of these things you and others nit-pick on. Once I gave my explanation, that should be good enough. It's not like i stuck to that point. I very quickly replied to a westerly wind scenario.

It's simple. You accused me of not reading the article because of an early reply, and it was after I also spoke of that level being impossible to be carried by the winds.

Do the math. 50.3 ppm... I don't care what way the winds blew. 50.3 ppm is impossible without intentionally putting that chemical in the pool.

[Wild Cobra]

The fact that nearby vegetation showed signs of unusual distress further evidences that some kind of contamination was present in areas outside the pool, although without specific testing one can't conclusively determine that the cause of the distress was the same as the contaminant in the pool. It is not an unreasonable assumption though, given proven levels of chemical in the pool.
Again, not to contaminate a swimming pool to 50.3 ppm. 5 ppm would be extreme. I could see 50.3 ppb!

[RandomGuy]

Again, not to contaminate a swimming pool to 50.3 ppm. 5 ppm would be extreme. I could see 50.3 ppb!

As was mentioned in the thread previously the sample was gathered at the filter.

It was also suggested that samples gathered there would probably show much higher concentrations than if the sample was drawn directly from the water.

You are the chemist. Is this what would happen, i.e. samples drawn from the filter would show much higher concentrations of pollutants?

[Wild Cobra]

As was mentioned in the thread previously the sample was gathered at the filter.

It was also suggested that samples gathered there would probably show much higher concentrations than if the sample was drawn directly from the water.

You are the chemist. Is this what would happen, i.e. samples drawn from the filter would show much higher concentrations of pollutants?Yes, I read that about the filter. Question is, does the filter separate it or not? If the filter is trapping the substance making such readings higher, then any level in the pool is reduced. With a 50 ppm TWA rating for 2-Butoxyethanol, it seems that a dip in the pool is insignificant. If the water had 50.3 ppm in it rather than just the filter, then it would be acceptable to swim in that water for 8 hours. I could see sensitivity, but to the degree reported?

Do you ever look this stuff up?

Question.

Just how much do you suggest got in the pool, and how would that level cause problems for swimming for maybe an hour a day?

[Wild Cobra]

Nobody yet has shown what other cases of this 2-butoxyethanol being found in neighboring pools.

Consider this. If the filter does in fact trap the chemical, then anything contaminated with a very small amount of the chemical can register higher in the filter.