The most EPIC hilarious cop tazing old man for no reason thread

[4>0rings]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7640009

I love how they keep telling him to stop resisting as he's lying on the ground getting the shit tazed outta him. :lmao :lmao :lmao

I hope those cops get fired tbh though.

[The Franchise]

A man with a heart condition, getting tasered in his own home for telling the cops to get the fuck out, who had no right to enter the home to begin with? He is about to get paid. I also agree that the officers should be fired and that the shit was funny.

[Sense]

I would've shot em

[ginobili's bald spot]

It didn't make me laugh. But because of videos like this I do laugh whenever I read about a pig getting shot in the line of duty.

[redzero]

Woah, that old man was deceptively fast. I'm surprised the deputies got out of there with their lives.

[Avitus1]

I love how his lawyer described it as "Shocking."

[redskinfan]

He should have stopped resisting when he was on floor in pain...

[silverblk mystix]

This is always...the public reaction....

but we don't know why or where the deputies were summoned and how did they know that

the old man threatened to put a gun to his head and kill himself...

if a person in Marin county (one of the wealthiest areas in the USA)

had managed to kill himself after someone had alerted deputies of the man's threats...

then EVERYONE here---and EVERYONE period...

would be crying that the deputies ALLOWED the poor senior citizen to kill himself AFTER the deputies had been ASKED to help...

poeple would have sued...they would have said...

why didn't the deputies take him in to a protective cell...and take his gun...why didn't they find him some psychatric help...


and MORONS;

what kind of an idiot REFUSES to comply when a peace officer gives you an order---for FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES!

c'mon

the reason they repeat----STOP RESISTING!

IS because they have given you an order to place your hands behind your back so that they can cuff you---when you refuse to willingly give them your hands---the officers are forced to use other force---UNTIL--you comply....


the ONLY thing that would give a clearer picture is WHY the deputies were there...


we DON'T know if and who summoned them...

it COULD have been the old prick's wife that pleaded for help and then once she saw that they would try to take him in ---she changed her mind...

the old fuck could have ALSO stated that he would not ONLY kill himself but maybe he also threatened to hurt someone else---

and the old prick and his lawyer---just dismissed the remark as UNIMPORTANT...

but it is very important what kind of threats you make when you talk about getting a gun and doing this or that



a LOT of facts are UNKNOWN---because the video only shows ONE SIDE---AS USUAL...


IF the deputies were there illegally----then YES---you are ALL right and those deputies and that department should AND WILL be sued,fired,castrated,etc...

ANOTHER reason as to why he was tased---is this;

if the deputies FORCE a senior citizen INTO handcuffs and break his poor frail arms and shoulders...

then EVERYONE will again cry police brutality....

by tasing--they hope to wake up the suspect that he needs to start taking the shit seriously---and that he WILL be handcuffed one way or another...

but the tasing is actually SAFER that forcibly twisting his body into handcuffs while the piece of shit suspect is also fighting....

be honest and look at EVERYTHING---before you start crying...police brutality...pigs,etc...

[boutons_deux]

500+ dead from tasers, and the mfr still lies that tasers aren't lethal weapons.

[Cry Havoc]

This is always...the public reaction....

but we don't know why or where the deputies were summoned and how did they know that

the old man threatened to put a gun to his head and kill himself...

if a person in Marin county (one of the wealthiest areas in the USA)

had managed to kill himself after someone had alerted deputies of the man's threats...

then EVERYONE here---and EVERYONE period...

would be crying that the deputies ALLOWED the poor senior citizen to kill himself AFTER the deputies had been ASKED to help...

poeple would have sued...they would have said...

why didn't the deputies take him in to a protective cell...and take his gun...why didn't they find him some psychatric help...


and MORONS;

what kind of an idiot REFUSES to comply when a peace officer gives you an order---for FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES!

c'mon

the reason they repeat----STOP RESISTING!

IS because they have given you an order to place your hands behind your back so that they can cuff you---when you refuse to willingly give them your hands---the officers are forced to use other force---UNTIL--you comply....


the ONLY thing that would give a clearer picture is WHY the deputies were there...


we DON'T know if and who summoned them...

it COULD have been the old prick's wife that pleaded for help and then once she saw that they would try to take him in ---she changed her mind...

the old fuck could have ALSO stated that he would not ONLY kill himself but maybe he also threatened to hurt someone else---

and the old prick and his lawyer---just dismissed the remark as UNIMPORTANT...

but it is very important what kind of threats you make when you talk about getting a gun and doing this or that



a LOT of facts are UNKNOWN---because the video only shows ONE SIDE---AS USUAL...


IF the deputies were there illegally----then YES---you are ALL right and those deputies and that department should AND WILL be sued,fired,castrated,etc...

ANOTHER reason as to why he was tased---is this;

if the deputies FORCE a senior citizen INTO handcuffs and break his poor frail arms and shoulders...

then EVERYONE will again cry police brutality....

by tasing--they hope to wake up the suspect that he needs to start taking the shit seriously---and that he WILL be handcuffed one way or another...

but the tasing is actually SAFER that forcibly twisting his body into handcuffs while the piece of shit suspect is also fighting....

be honest and look at EVERYTHING---before you start crying...police brutality...pigs,etc...

Lots of rambling nonsense here.

What reason did they have to ask him to put his hands behind his back? Just answer that for me. Answer the one question that invalidates everything that you said.

Fuck these cops. A person might be suicidal, so their response is to TASE him? Right, because that's going not going to have negative mental affects or anything.

Using hyperbole should not be grounds for police officers to break your rights as a citizen.

[The Reckoning]

yeah right, if you want to kill yourself, be my guest, so long as you don't hurt anybody else.

[hater]

old man is gonna get $$$$

good for him

[Chachachango]

WOW, The cop took it way to far.For a little bit I thought it was fake. Yeah, the man gonna get paid and the cop should get fired. I saw no resisting, just a man screaming like a little bitch. Now, three times, that cop needs a beating.

[Sportcamper]

The problem as I see it is that the ACLU has taken away necessary tools to subdue unstable people…If the officer was able to use a dog catcher pole the emotionally unstable man could have been safely dragged to the patrol car, cuffed, & taken to a mental health facility…

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/Emergency_Preparedness/images/dog_catcher.jpg

[BlackSwordsMan]

how do you think his wife felt washing his pants after that tasering? yuck

[The Reckoning]

"Stop resisting!"

[silverblk mystix]

Lots of rambling nonsense here.

What reason did they have to ask him to put his hands behind his back? Just answer that for me. Answer the one question that invalidates everything that you said.

Fuck these cops. A person might be suicidal, so their response is to TASE him? Right, because that's going not going to have negative mental affects or anything.

Using hyperbole should not be grounds for police officers to break your rights as a citizen.

Easy question to answer....

because they had decided to arrest him ---at that point...

so when a police officer tells you to put your hands behind your back---IF you are smart---you put your hands behind your back ---

this way---YOU WON'T BE TASED!

Now, we don't know if the peace officers that responded ---we don't know what situation they walked in...

example: you are a police officer on duty...ok;

you get a call that says:

``we have a male threatening to kill himself and possibly others and he may be armed and dangerous...please respond with caution''

you now walk into the situation....you see an elderly disheveled looking male...yelling...agitated...and appears erratic---to say the least...
you still DON'T know if he has a gun or not...

you don't know if anyone has been hurt...

you ask to see his hands...he refuses...tells you to get the fuck out...

etc...


and for FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES---HE REFUSES TO COOPERATE



any REASONABLE police officer would be scared shitless...scared that this old fool will pull out a piece from the chair cushion and blow his shit away...

so WHAT is so hard to comprehend when you look at both sides?

[Cry Havoc]

Easy question to answer....

because they had decided to arrest him ---at that point...

so when a police officer tells you to put your hands behind your back---IF you are smart---you put your hands behind your back ---

this way---YOU WON'T BE TASED!

Now, we don't know if the peace officers that responded ---we don't know what situation they walked in...

example: you are a police officer on duty...ok;

you get a call that says:

``we have a male threatening to kill himself and possibly others and he may be armed and dangerous...please respond with caution''

you now walk into the situation....you see an elderly disheveled looking male...yelling...agitated...and appears erratic---to say the least...
you still DON'T know if he has a gun or not...

you don't know if anyone has been hurt...

you ask to see his hands...he refuses...tells you to get the fuck out...

etc...


and for FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES---HE REFUSES TO COOPERATE



any REASONABLE police officer would be scared shitless...scared that this old fool will pull out a piece from the chair cushion and blow his shit away...

so WHAT is so hard to comprehend when you look at both sides?

Arrest him for what? They had no warrant to enter his property without his permission. They did not read him his Miranda rights or inform him that he was being arrested.

Stop talking as though police officers are god, with supreme jurisdiction. They do not have the right to approach a person in the privacy of their own home with no warrant or rationale and arrest them. He had every right to refuse their commands, because he had done nothing wrong to that point.

If they really thought he was armed and dangerous, they shouldn't just stroll into his house like it's a donut shop. That's a good way to get yourself shot, and the other person off on an incredibly easy situation to defend for any competent attorney. "It was dark, people entered/broke into my house, I shot them not knowing they were police because THEY ENTERED A HOUSE WITHOUT PERMISSION."

At no point did the officers acknowledge or react in a way that typified they were afraid of someone who could be armed and dangerous.

The officers in question at no point demonstrated or stated the necessary authority to enter this man's house, to order him around like he's a known criminal, OR to threaten to cuff him. In fact, it is the policemen themselves in this situation who are guilty of breaking the law.

The tazering is even more ludicrous. Tazering causes an electric shock, one of the side effects of which is that it forces muscles to contract. They tazed him three times in the space of less than a minute under the guise that he was "resisting arrest" when in fact his body was just responding to the electric shock and unable to relax the muscles being shocked.

By the way, the court threw out the charge for "resisting arrest". Now, why would that be if your perfect, to-protect-and-serve officers were just doing their job and responding the situation appropriately?

[DarkReign]

Fuck cops. There will come a day when they represent the enemy. I look forward to that day.

[tlongII]

Easy question to answer....

because they had decided to arrest him ---at that point...

so when a police officer tells you to put your hands behind your back---IF you are smart---you put your hands behind your back ---

this way---YOU WON'T BE TASED!

Now, we don't know if the peace officers that responded ---we don't know what situation they walked in...

example: you are a police officer on duty...ok;

you get a call that says:

``we have a male threatening to kill himself and possibly others and he may be armed and dangerous...please respond with caution''

you now walk into the situation....you see an elderly disheveled looking male...yelling...agitated...and appears erratic---to say the least...
you still DON'T know if he has a gun or not...

you don't know if anyone has been hurt...

you ask to see his hands...he refuses...tells you to get the fuck out...

etc...


and for FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES---HE REFUSES TO COOPERATE



any REASONABLE police officer would be scared shitless...scared that this old fool will pull out a piece from the chair cushion and blow his shit away...

so WHAT is so hard to comprehend when you look at both sides?

The cops didn't have a search warrant and the man was in his own home. That invalidates ALL of your claims. Those cops were being assholes.

[Leetonidas]

"STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING!"

*Old man writhing on the floor in pain*

"STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING!"

*Old man continues to writhe in pain on the floor*

[IronMexican]

The stop resiting arrest part is going to earn him some nice cash.

[Leetonidas]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7640009

:lmao :lmao :lmao

"The deputy used his taser because Peter McFarland lunged at him"

[DarkReign]

He should get paid.

That cop should be fired.

Anything less than that deserves vigilante justice.

[silverblk mystix]

Arrest him for what? They had no warrant to enter his property without his permission. They did not read him his Miranda rights or inform him that he was being arrested.

Stop talking as though police officers are god, with supreme jurisdiction. They do not have the right to approach a person in the privacy of their own home with no warrant or rationale and arrest them. He had every right to refuse their commands, because he had done nothing wrong to that point.

If they really thought he was armed and dangerous, they shouldn't just stroll into his house like it's a donut shop. That's a good way to get yourself shot, and the other person off on an incredibly easy situation to defend for any competent attorney. "It was dark, people entered/broke into my house, I shot them not knowing they were police because THEY ENTERED A HOUSE WITHOUT PERMISSION."

At no point did the officers acknowledge or react in a way that typified they were afraid of someone who could be armed and dangerous.

The officers in question at no point demonstrated or stated the necessary authority to enter this man's house, to order him around like he's a known criminal, OR to threaten to cuff him. In fact, it is the policemen themselves in this situation who are guilty of breaking the law.

The tazering is even more ludicrous. Tazering causes an electric shock, one of the side effects of which is that it forces muscles to contract. They tazed him three times in the space of less than a minute under the guise that he was "resisting arrest" when in fact his body was just responding to the electric shock and unable to relax the muscles being shocked.

By the way, the court threw out the charge for "resisting arrest". Now, why would that be if your perfect, to-protect-and-serve officers were just doing their job and responding the situation appropriately?

This is so common whenever this kind of thing happens.People like you that see a video---or rather see a video as presented by one side and assume that they know all the facts of the case.

This little video was shown on TV by a TV station...who only cares about ratings...therefore...you ONLY see the side of the plaintiff/complainant shown...and you hear inflammatory verbiage such as, ``in the sanctity of his own home.''

Again, I repeat---both YOU and I--- do NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTS!

Even the TV anchor said that the police asked him to do something and he refused---for 5 minutes---but we DON'T know what ELSE went on for those 5 MINUTES!

As for the warrant and the miranda rights;

again...we DON'T know if they, in fact, did or not.

the warrant may or may not be necessary ---depending on the situation...

for example: if the police are called to respond...they respond to a residence...then they hear sounds,yellin,things crashin....a scream---whatever(this is just an example-ok)

then they have every right to enter a dwelling---if they think that there could be a crime or a dangerous situation in progress---that explains the lack of a warrant---or rather---THAT COULD explain the warrant issue--

but --AGAIN---WE DON'T KNOW!

We still don't know who called the police---or what was said when the police was called...

like I said before...IF it is as you say---just police coming into his house for NO REASON---NO CAUSE---THEN--you may be right---

and yes---those are bad cops who should NOT get away with it...

but as far as the rest---it is a very ONE SIDED video which makes it look really bad for the police----but THAT is what will get you the RATINGS!

YOUR comment about---he had every right to refuse to comply---because he had done nothing wrong---is COMPLETELY wrong...where you get that---I just don't know...

If I am in my house...and I have done nothing wrong...the police...storm inside with guns---a whole fucking swat team...and they order me to put my hands behind my back---are you saying that i can refuse and tell them fuck you for 5 fuckin minutes?

give me a fuckin break....I will be a dead man---AND I did nothing wrong...

Now---say that happened...

because I STILL HAVE A FUCKIN BRAIN---I

would do EXACTLY AS THE OFFICERS ORDERED ME TO...

then ...when the time is right...I will GET A LAWYER and settle things to my satisfaction....and BE ALIVE TO TELL MY GRANDKIDS ABOUT IT SOMEDAY!

as for the rest----WE STILL DON'T KNOW MOST OF THE FACTS---so why not wait to see what or why the officers did what they did BEFORE you assume you know everything and before you automatically assume that the officers were wrong...

[bus driver]

well someone called the police......they just didnt decide to show up at this mans house because they wanted to tase an old man. i say fuck the old man....if he wanted to kill himself he should have done it. now the taxpayer will have to pay because this old man is a pussy.



and :lol at the "cop killers/haters" but you all are probably be the first to call the cops when your car gets dinged.

[resistanze]

silverblk mystix, you're fucking reaching.

[Sportcamper]

Fck cops. There will come a day when they represent the enemy. I look forward to that day.

Oh now that is rich...:lol
All you tough talking trolls, sitting in the safety of your parent’s garage…
The next time you need the help of our police…Call a pot smoking hippie…:toast

[resistanze]

and :lol at the "cop killers/haters" but you all are probably be the first to call the cops when your car gets dinged.
Funny you say that, I've never been helped by police when I was the victim of a crime. One time I even located my stolen car in a parking lot and gave the police all the info they needed but they refused to show up, for a week. By then, the car had disappeared of course. In fact, I've never had a positive experience with the police, I just steer clear and try to solve my own problems.

Police officers are not gods. They're fucking assholes like you and me. Except they have guns or tasers, which makes them a lot more dangerous than the average person. People will justify anything cops do, and it might just come to bite you in the ass later on.

[TinTin]

I don't know much about police protocol but does a police manual say that you always have to use a tazer? Is physical contact (like a tackle or a suplex) disallowed when suspects resist arrest in case he is concealing something?

Or is it up to the genius cop's judgement when to use a tazer or not?

I still think if you are going to arrest him and if his wife is pleading that he has a heart condition (get the story checked out by one of your hq) then just hold him and arrest him. How much of a fight could he possibly put up?

[silverblk mystix]

silverblk mystix, you're fucking reaching.

How?

Everything I have said is true. I did NOT say I knew all the facts--I merely stated that , although it looks a certain way, and everyone here is a cop hater...

I am just looking at both sides and I will be very interested to hear all the other details...

Hate cops all you want...that's fine...

but at least know what you are talking about before you judge...

If you would like to learn about cop protocol and basic law--regarding police tactics and arrest procedures...it is all in the penal code..every state has their own penal code...

and police officers usually are pretty well trained and NOT out to be assholes and fuck with people's rights...

yes, there are also a LOT of cops who are also criminals and horrible human beings---but you can say that about almost any profession...

so far--with the limited info that was given on this particular case---it is NOT and open and shut case in favor of the old guy...

it is VERY possible that it will end up as the police officers being cleared of any and all complaints...

[Cry Havoc]

This is so common whenever this kind of thing happens.People like you that see a video---or rather see a video as presented by one side and assume that they know all the facts of the case.

This little video was shown on TV by a TV station...who only cares about ratings...therefore...you ONLY see the side of the plaintiff/complainant shown...and you hear inflammatory verbiage such as, ``in the sanctity of his own home.''

Again, I repeat---both YOU and I--- do NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTS!

Even the TV anchor said that the police asked him to do something and he refused---for 5 minutes---but we DON'T know what ELSE went on for those 5 MINUTES!

As for the warrant and the miranda rights;

again...we DON'T know if they, in fact, did or not.

the warrant may or may not be necessary ---depending on the situation...

for example: if the police are called to respond...they respond to a residence...then they hear sounds,yellin,things crashin....a scream---whatever(this is just an example-ok)

then they have every right to enter a dwelling---if they think that there could be a crime or a dangerous situation in progress---that explains the lack of a warrant---or rather---THAT COULD explain the warrant issue--

but --AGAIN---WE DON'T KNOW!

We still don't know who called the police---or what was said when the police was called...

like I said before...IF it is as you say---just police coming into his house for NO REASON---NO CAUSE---THEN--you may be right---

and yes---those are bad cops who should NOT get away with it...

but as far as the rest---it is a very ONE SIDED video which makes it look really bad for the police----but THAT is what will get you the RATINGS!

YOUR comment about---he had every right to refuse to comply---because he had done nothing wrong---is COMPLETELY wrong...where you get that---I just don't know...

If I am in my house...and I have done nothing wrong...the police...storm inside with guns---a whole fucking swat team...and they order me to put my hands behind my back---are you saying that i can refuse and tell them fuck you for 5 fuckin minutes?

give me a fuckin break....I will be a dead man---AND I did nothing wrong...

Now---say that happened...

because I STILL HAVE A FUCKIN BRAIN---I

would do EXACTLY AS THE OFFICERS ORDERED ME TO...

then ...when the time is right...I will GET A LAWYER and settle things to my satisfaction....and BE ALIVE TO TELL MY GRANDKIDS ABOUT IT SOMEDAY!

as for the rest----WE STILL DON'T KNOW MOST OF THE FACTS---so why not wait to see what or why the officers did what they did BEFORE you assume you know everything and before you automatically assume that the officers were wrong...

Why did they drop the "resisting arrest" warrant? You won't answer basic questions.

[silverblk mystix]

One other thing...

The old man is a fuckin idiot for trying to fight that case in the media...

that lawyer already showed that he is incompetent by ALLOWING that video to be shown to garner public support...

I may not know a lot about a lot of things---but one thing I DO know is that you don't fight a case through the media----

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO WIN THE CASE...

HOWEVER---



If what you REALLY want is a settlement $$

then you fight your case through the media...

that video was allegedly from the police officers camera...

Police officers already KNOW they are being recorded and they will try very hard to act professionally because they know the public perception is rough against law enforcement...

the fact that the officers conversed with the uncooperative old man for five full minutes- should lead ANY REASONABLE PERSON to believe that the officers showed EXTREME patience in finally attempting to apprehend the old guy...

don't forget....

the old prick had returned from a fuckin party---at midnight and was probably drunk and hostile and had already threatened to use a gun...

good job by the cops :toast

Marin county is almost NOTHING BUT millionaires and billionaires...the old guy does NOT need the money---trust me...

the marin county sheriff's dept is highly trained to be ``delicate'' with their residents---because millionaires and billionaires...just happen to have some pretty good attorneys at their beck and call---

hell most of the marin county residents---ARE --LAWYERS!

but this old prick is NOT smart enough to have hired one of the GOOD lawyers---he instead appears to have hired an ambulance chaser as his attorney---dumb fuck



When all the smoke clears...I will bet my paycheck that those officers will be cleared and will actually be found to have done a good job!

[Cry Havoc]

One other thing...

The old man is a fuckin idiot for trying to fight that case in the media...

that lawyer already showed that he is incompetent by ALLOWING that video to be shown to garner public support...

I may not know a lot about a lot of things---but one thing I DO know is that you don't fight a case through the media----

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO WIN THE CASE...

HOWEVER---



If what you REALLY want is a settlement $$

then you fight your case through the media...

that video was allegedly from the police officers camera...

Police officers already KNOW they are being recorded and they will try very hard to act professionally because they know the public perception is rough against law enforcement...

the fact that the officers conversed with the uncooperative old man for five full minutes- should lead ANY REASONABLE PERSON to believe that the officers showed EXTREME patience in finally attempting to apprehend the old guy...

don't forget....

the old prick had returned from a fuckin party---at midnight and was probably drunk and hostile and had already threatened to use a gun...

good job by the cops :toast

Marin county is almost NOTHING BUT millionaires and billionaires...the old guy does NOT need the money---trust me...

the marin county sheriff's dept is highly trained to be ``delicate'' with their residents---because millionaires and billionaires...just happen to have some pretty good attorneys at their beck and call---

hell most of the marin county residents---ARE --LAWYERS!

but this old prick is NOT smart enough to have hired one of the GOOD lawyers---he instead appears to have hired an ambulance chaser as his attorney---dumb fuck



When all the smoke clears...I will bet my paycheck that those officers will be cleared and will actually be found to have done a good job!

You need to be tazed for the way you abuse caps lock and punctuation.

[silverblk mystix]

Why did they drop the "resisting arrest" warrant? You won't answer basic questions.

I thought I answered EVERY question....

the answer to why the judge dropped the resisting arrest is---WE DON'T KNOW YET!

NOT YOU

NOT ME

NO-ONE ON THIS BOARD.


Now,

I can SPECULATE---just like everyone else here...so I will give it a shot...

First...

we don't know what is on the police officers report...they could have arrested him for resisting arrest, assault on a peace officer, threats, ---or any number of charges---

and maybe this judge threw out the ---resisting arrest

but KEPT all the other charges---WE DON'T KNOW!

OR

maybe that WAS the only charge (resisting arrest)

and the JUDGE threw it out and thinks the officers are criminals---WE DON'T KNOW!

OR

there could be political reasons,

money reasons...

the idiot attorney could have pleaded the old guy and got a charge or two dropped...

it could be ANYTHING----

WHY?










CAUSE....









WE







DON'T









FUCKIN'






KNOW!

[silverblk mystix]

You need to be tazed for the way you abuse caps lock and punctuation.

Don't TAZE me bro' :lmao:lmao:lmao

you are right , for once....


sorry----

I like typing fast...and hitting all kinds of random;
fuckin


keys


just for the fuck of it;


reliving my days as a hack writer

no wonder I ended up writing on a fuckin' spurs forum....:rollin
:toast

[Cry Havoc]

WE







DON'T









FUCKIN'






KNOW!

We know he has a heart condition.

Is that a great situation to taze someone in, who's potentially suicidal with a known heart condition?

[DisAsTerBot]

the marin county sheriff's dept is highly trained to be ``delicate'' with their residents---because millionaires and billionaires...just happen to have some pretty good attorneys at their beck and call---



as opposed to?...... good argument.

[silverblk mystix]

We know he has a heart condition.

Is that a great situation to taze someone in, who's potentially suicidal with a known heart condition?

Good question.

Let me answer your question with another question.

Is having a heart condition enough of a reason to avoid being tased?

In other words;

if YOU or I had a heart condition---we would probably be aware of it right?

If then, we were aware we had a heart condition and a police officer just happened to



have his FUCKIN' SIGHTS ON MY CHEST FOR FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES!!!!!!


would I be smart enough to comply with the officers request BEFORE I GOT TASED??????


Would you?


Please answer my question.

[Kermit]

Good question.

Let me answer your question with another question.

Is having a heart condition enough of a reason to avoid being tased?

In other words;

if YOU or I had a heart condition---we would probably be aware of it right?

If then, we were aware we had a heart condition and a police officer just happened to



have his FUCKIN' SIGHTS ON MY CHEST FOR FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES!!!!!!


would I be smart enough to comply with the officers request BEFORE I GOT TASED??????


Would you?


Please answer my question.

You suck at devil's advocate.

[silverblk mystix]

as opposed to?...... good argument.

I'm not sure what you are asking, but what I meant is that it is one thing to be a little careless when dealing with the public in South Central L.A.

not that a police officer should or would

but if you happen to forget to cross your T's and dot your I's

in Watts


you will probably get away with it.

But if you are careless in Marin County, Beverly Hills,Bel-Aire

or the Hamptons


you will probably be facing a LOT of citizen complaints in a court of law

with some high paid lawyers who just want a chance to embarrass the P.D.

[nomanches]

Good question.

Let me answer your question with another question.

Is having a heart condition enough of a reason to avoid being tased?

In other words;

if YOU or I had a heart condition---we would probably be aware of it right?

If then, we were aware we had a heart condition and a police officer just happened to



have his FUCKIN' SIGHTS ON MY CHEST FOR FIVE FUCKIN' MINUTES!!!!!!


would I be smart enough to comply with the officers request BEFORE I GOT TASED??????


Would you?


Please answer my question.

So you're not going to answer his first question? You basically responded with, "Well he shouldn't have given the officer attitude, and obeyed!". The officer was pointing his taser pistol at the man's chest because the man refused to go to the hospital. The man used hyperbole. Kind of like, "I'm so hungry I can eat a horse." No one who hears that really thinks someone is going to eat a fucking horse.

[silverblk mystix]

You suck at devil's advocate.

Probably.

But the point is that you are automatically giving ALL the blame for the TASING on the police.


No-one is apparently putting any blame on the old man for getting himself tased.

That was all I meant.

[silverblk mystix]

So you're not going to answer his first question? You basically responded with, "Well he shouldn't have given the officer attitude, and obeyed!". The officer was pointing his taser pistol at the man's chest because the man refused to go to the hospital. The man used hyperbole. Kind of like, "I'm so hungry I can eat a horse." No one who hears that really thinks someone is going to eat a fucking horse.

I understand what you are saying-but I can't agree.

Suppose it was just hyperbole,ok.

What if the old man shot his wife and then himself.

Don't you think that everyone would then be saying---why didn't the cops stop him?

Why didn't they get him some help?

You see?

It is a lose-lose situation.

If the police tase someone--so they don't have to break any bones--then everyone is upset at the tasing.

If the cops DON'T tase---and forcibly handcuff him---and his neck hurts tomorrow---the cops are sued for injuring him,etc...

besides...


We don't know HOW the old man said it and regardless---you and I and Joe Blow would have three different opinions on what he meant anyway.

[Cry Havoc]

Probably.

But the point is that you are automatically giving ALL the blame for the TASING on the police.


No-one is apparently putting any blame on the old man for getting himself tased.

That was all I meant.

Usually that's how people react when the violation of human rights' have occurred.

Police are to protect and serve. Not give orders and taze people who stand up for their rights (pun intended).

[DisAsTerBot]

I'm not sure what you are asking, but what I meant is that it is one thing to be a little careless when dealing with the public in South Central L.A.

not that a police officer should or would

but if you happen to forget to cross your T's and dot your I's

in Watts


you will probably get away with it.

But if you are careless in Marin County, Beverly Hills,Bel-Aire

or the Hamptons


you will probably be facing a LOT of citizen complaints in a court of law

with some high paid lawyers who just want a chance to embarrass the P.D.
so depending on where the non-crime in this case takes place, police can "get away" with more because of class?
that's some quality training there... again, good argument.

[nomanches]

Suppose it was just hyperbole,ok. What if the old man shot his wife and then himself.
:lol If it was just hyperbole, then there wouldn't be any reason to believe that he would seriously shoot himself or his wife. Swimming in a sea of hypothetical gets us nowhere.



If the police tase someone--so they don't have to break any bones--then everyone is upset at the tasing.

Why would the police have to either break someone's bones or tase an individual for refusing medical treatment? I think people are upset over the concern that police have a monopoly on power and violence and abuse that power. This is an instance where police abused their power.

[silverblk mystix]

Usually that's how people react when the violation of human rights' have occurred.

Police are to protect and serve. Not give orders and taze people who stand up for their rights (pun intended).

Maybe you didn't read the previous posts and I don't feel the need to explain it all again. But relating to this post ;

IF you could for a moment--put yourself in the officers shoes---you just got dispatched to a report of a male, intoxicated or on drugs, threatening to kill someone...

and you show up , you are a bit nervous because you never know when someone who hates cops --like most of this board---

is going to end your life....

then YOU would probably use a taser to handcuff a guy and SEARCH that couch to make sure there is NOT a weapon that will end your life---


get it?

no-one's human rights have been violated if a police officer was summoned for help and there is a man who may or may not be armed and is acting a bit

erratic...

then no-one's rights are violated

it is a possibly dangerous and unstable scene which could--at any given moment---turn deadly


understand?

[bus driver]

Funny you say that, I've never been helped by police when I was the victim of a crime. One time I even located my stolen car in a parking lot and gave the police all the info they needed but they refused to show up, for a week. By then, the car had disappeared of course. In fact, I've never had a positive experience with the police, I just steer clear and try to solve my own problems.

Police officers are not gods. They're fucking assholes like you and me. Except they have guns or tasers, which makes them a lot more dangerous than the average person. People will justify anything cops do, and it might just come to bite you in the ass later on.

:wow one crime and you found your own car, your Batman!
hopefully you dont fall off a cliff (get shot, ran over, etc) and need the cops/paramedics help's because by your logic you will send them away.

[silverblk mystix]

so depending on where the non-crime in this case takes place, police can "get away" with more because of class?
that's some quality training there... again, good argument.

I didn't invent the system.

I never defended the fact that cops in affluent areas are trained a little differently than cops in ghettos.

I also didn't even mention that cops will behave more in line with their environments, for example;

If Cop #1 has worked a precinct in Harlem for ten straight years and has had shots and swipes taken at him every day for ten years---he will probably treat everyone he pulls over in a pretty aggressive fashion---it is not right---I did NOT invent this---it is just HUMAN NATURE...

Cop #2

has worked in Bel-Aire and all he deals with is starlets and senile movie producers who can't find their fuckin Bentley in the Peninsula Club Bar parking lot....

that cop will be a little more relaxed when he approaches a suspect or approaches a driver that he just pulled over...

I didn't invent this or justify this

but that is reality

regarding Marin County

it was only my point that because of the clientele that those deputies have to serve on a daily basis


they have A TON of training in things such as cultural sensitivity, proper police procedures, accurate report writing,etc....

[Cry Havoc]

Maybe you didn't read the previous posts and I don't feel the need to explain it all again. But relating to this post ;

IF you could for a moment--put yourself in the officers shoes---you just got dispatched to a report of a male, intoxicated or on drugs, threatening to kill someone...

There was never a report of this man threatening anyone. Would it be okay if they blew his house apart because they might have heard someone saying he was the Green Goblin?


and you show up , you are a bit nervous because you never know when someone who hates cops --like most of this board---

is going to end your life....

Sorry, that's not my job. That's one of the reasons I chose not to be a cop, so I wouldn't have to deal with such situations. They CHOSE to be a cop and they CHOSE to put their life on the line. They don't get a free pass when they fail or when they break the law just because their job is high-stress and dangerous.


then YOU would probably use a taser to handcuff a guy and SEARCH that couch to make sure there is NOT a weapon that will end your life---

Perhaps I would, perhaps I would not. I cannot conclusively state what I would do, given that I have never been put in that situation. I personally do not believe I would ever seek out a man in his own home who might be suicidal, intentionally escalate the situation, and then taze him.

Don't like the unfortunate fact that being a cop is dangerous? Don't be a cop. Simple.


get it?


Oh, it's already been gotten.


no-one's human rights have been violated if a police officer was summoned for help and there is a man who may or may not be armed and is acting a bit

erratic...

Using this line of defense, no cop has ever been in the wrong for any kind of physical confrontation. Any person at any point "may or may not be armed". I "may or may not be armed" sitting at this desk, that does not suddenly give a cop free reign to bust down my office door and threaten to arrest me.


then no-one's rights are violated

Complete conjecture.


it is a possibly dangerous and unstable scene which could--at any given moment---turn deadly


understand?

I understand that using this as justification basically gives cops the right to do whatever they want, whenever they want, under the guise of, "we got a report" and "the situation could have been life-threatening".

You keep talking about wanting evidence that the police did something wrong, yet you are going so far out of your way to dream up ways in which this slow moving old man with a heart condition was lying in wait for police to show up so he could pull out a bazooka and end them.

I mean, if he's so armed and dangerous, why not send in SWAT? Hell, land a helicopter on his out and dispatch SEAL operatives into his home. It's life and death when an old man comes home from a charity fundraiser with a little too much wine in him! :lol


If Cop #1 has worked a precinct in Harlem for ten straight years and has had shots and swipes taken at him every day for ten years---he will probably treat everyone he pulls over in a pretty aggressive fashion---it is not right---I did NOT invent this---it is just HUMAN NATURE...

Which is exactly why police officers are educated and trained before being sent out into the force. Education and training are meant to subvert knee-jerk fight or flight instincts and allow an officer to remain calm and collected so that he doesn't ever need to use physical force... or the need to enter someone's home without cause.

[DarkReign]

Oh now that is rich...:lol
All you tough talking trolls, sitting in the safety of your parent’s garage…
The next time you need the help of our police…Call a pot smoking hippie…:toast

Any other cliches you want to roll out in this thread?

Keep going, youre failing gracefully.

[silverblk mystix]

There was never a report of this man threatening anyone. Would it be okay if they blew his house apart because they might have heard someone saying he was the Green Goblin?



Sorry, that's not my job. That's one of the reasons I chose not to be a cop, so I wouldn't have to deal with such situations. They CHOSE to be a cop and they CHOSE to put their life on the line. They don't get a free pass when they fail or when they break the law just because their job is high-stress and dangerous.



Perhaps I would, perhaps I would not. I cannot conclusively state what I would do, given that I have never been put in that situation. I personally do not believe I would ever seek out a man in his own home who might be suicidal, intentionally escalate the situation, and then taze him.

Don't like the unfortunate fact that being a cop is dangerous? Don't be a cop. Simple.



Oh, it's already been gotten.



Using this line of defense, no cop has ever been in the wrong for any kind of physical confrontation. Any person at any point "may or may not be armed". I "may or may not be armed" sitting at this desk, that does not suddenly give a cop free reign to bust down my office door and threaten to arrest me.



Complete conjecture.



I understand that using this as justification basically gives cops the right to do whatever they want, whenever they want, under the guise of, "we got a report" and "the situation could have been life-threatening".

You keep talking about wanting evidence that the police did something wrong, yet you are going so far out of your way to dream up ways in which this slow moving old man with a heart condition was lying in wait for police to show up so he could pull out a bazooka and end them.

I mean, if he's so armed and dangerous, why not send in SWAT? Hell, land a helicopter on his out and dispatch SEAL operatives into his home. It's life and death when an old man comes home from a charity fundraiser with a little too much wine in him! :lol



Which is exactly why police officers are educated and trained before being sent out into the force. Education and training are meant to subvert knee-jerk fight or flight instincts and allow an officer to remain calm and collected so that he doesn't ever need to use physical force... or the need to enter someone's home without cause.

Again,

I see your points and some of where you are coming from, but at this point we don't even know WHY the police were there


so we are kinda just pissin' in the wind arent we?

They could have been there legally and acted in a completely reasonable way for the kind of call they responded to.

Or

they could have been there with NO CAUSE and acted like total jerks

but we don't know any of that do we?

You, yourself just stated that they CHOSE this job---so they get no pass...

fair enough.

In the next paragraph---you stated that you could not conclusively state what you would or would not do?

Why?

maybe because it is difficult to make the perfect call when you are put in a possibly dangerous situation and there is a camera running and you are not sure if there is or if there is not a gun behind the old man...

and you don't know if he is dangerous, stupid, or both?

and you have asked the old guy to go with you to the hospital and get him some help and he said fuck you


then he says he is going to use a gun to off himself--but then later he said it was just

hyperbole...

and you can't really state conclusively what you would or would not do because if you chose the wrong action


maybe there would be some a-holes out in the civilian world---maybe on some forum or board


just arm-chair quarter-backing whatever decision you HAD to make in the heat of the moment to possibly save your life...

maybe

it is easy to sit here


after the fact and just hate on cops because you just don't like them---regardless of what they do or don't do


you just made up your mind somewhere along the line that cops are just out to fuck people over and violate their rights.....


maybe

and the slow moving old man part


ok

do you think that that slow moving old man was strong enough to pull a trigger?

I would rather tase an old man and deal with the consequences

than have my family bury me young because some crazy fuckin lunatic decided to not take his meds and just happened to have an episode and end my life...


just sayin'

[Cry Havoc]

Again,


just sayin'

The fundamental difference here is that you automatically want to rush to the defense of the aggressors.

I prefer to stick up for civil rights and the individual. You know, it kinda goes with that whole, "Innocent until proven guilty" thing. Plus, I believe that anytime a cop uses force, he should be able to show without a shadow of a doubt how, when, and why, and to show he was absolutely justified in using force.

It should be a cop's last resort to hurt someone. I saw no threat from the man, no intent to injure or endanger the lives of the officers, I saw nothing that this man did wrong, and since he was not found guilty of a crime, I don't know how you can possibly make all these hyperbolic assumptions on your own. The guy, according to you, was waving a gun and threatening to kill people/himself, was swearing and causing a public disturbance...

... yet he hasn't been charged with a single crime. Pretty incredible, if you ask me.

[resistanze]

:wow one crime and you found your own car, your Batman!
hopefully you dont fall off a cliff (get shot, ran over, etc) and need the cops/paramedics help's because by your logic you will send them away.
No one mentioned paramedics, quit with the strawman. I know your position is weak, but please. :lol

I hope your logic extends to everything, since apparently anything an officer does is justified because you call them help.

Don't complain about your teacher smoking in class, otherwise teach your kid yourself.

Don't complain if the computer IT guy belittles you, otherwise fix your computer yourself.

Don't complain if your waiter spits in your food, or make it yourself.

Don't complain if your doctor fondles you, treat yourself.

[silverblk mystix]

The fundamental difference here is that you automatically want to rush to the defense of the aggressors.

I prefer to stick up for civil rights and the individual. You know, it kinda goes with that whole, "Innocent until proven guilty" thing. Plus, I believe that anytime a cop uses force, he should be able to show without a shadow of a doubt how, when, and why, and to show he was absolutely justified in using force.

It should be a cop's last resort to hurt someone. I saw no threat from the man, no intent to injure or endanger the lives of the officers, I saw nothing that this man did wrong, and since he was not found guilty of a crime, I don't know how you can possibly make all these hyperbolic assumptions on your own. The guy, according to you, was waving a gun and threatening to kill people/himself, was swearing and causing a public disturbance...

... yet he hasn't been charged with a single crime. Pretty incredible, if you ask me.

#1)

I am not automatically rushing to anyone's defense. I am stating that we really don't know exactly who called the cops--but someone apparently did. We don't know what was said when the old man threatened to use a gun on himself--I did speculate that--maybe-- the old man threaten to use the gun on himself and possibly others. We still don't know.

#2)

Anytime a cop uses force....
do you know or understand that if a cop had to show ---beyond the shadow of a doubt as you say--

why he acted the way he did---that cops would be killed every single day all over the USA?

If you tell a guy to keep his hands up and he reaches inside his pocket---what do you do?

Wait until he pulls out a glock and shoot you because you have to know ---beyond a shadow of a doubt that he had a glock --for sure---not just a comb that he was going to use to comb his hair.

How would cops know? They have to use their judgement---and of course--

everyone wants to fry any cop who uses questionable judgement.

#3)

The cops did use force as a last resort---they never drew a firearm did they?
They tried talking to him for 5 minutes didn't they?
The tazer is not a deadly force weapon---it is an intermediate weapon.

Has anyone here stopped to think that maybe the paramedics were treating the old guy and THEY heard him say that he was going to kill himself and maybe the paramedics--called for the police?

It makes sense that a paramedic would --by law-- be FORCED to try and get the old man some help. It sounds to me as though both the paramedics and the police were doing their jobs in trying to prevent this old man from turning his threats into action and may have possibly saved his life?

If not, who called for the police?

Answer that and then you may find out why the police felt that they HAD to take him into custody.

It is like if you get arrested and get locked up in jail---and you use ---hyperbole--

to say that you are going to kill yourself in your cell....

what do you think will happen?

I will tell you what will happen.

You will be stripped of your clothes and you will be placed -- whether you want to or not-- in a rubber room--buck naked...until you are seen by a shrink.

Sure, you can say you were just kidding---but it is too fuckin' late---you FORCED the officers to do something to protect YOU---because god forbid you DO hang yourself with your pants and t-shirt...then the whole world will say


why didn't the pigs stop him from hangin himself????

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Jesus.

The only thing more absurd than the video is the argument in this thread.

[Xevious]

This

thread

is

annoying

as

shit

to

read.

[silverblk mystix]

This

thread

is

annoying

as

shit

to

read.



You DO know that reading it is VOLUNTARY , right?

Stop reading it then.

[redzero]

I still don't understand how the police officer was trying to achieve his goal of getting the old man medical attention through tasing him. That seems to be counter-productive.

[silverblk mystix]

I still don't understand how the police officer was trying to achieve his goal of getting the old man medical attention through tasing him. That seems to be counter-productive.

Maybe.

The police officer had determined (I don't know how he determined this---but something happened during the five minutes that we DON'T see to make the officer to make this decision) that he was going to have to arrest the old man.

Once a police officer has decided to arrest you--then the next steps are just logical and are standard police protocol.

First, he will tell you that you are under arrest.

Then he will ASK you to place your hands behind your back to be handcuffed--so that you can be transported to a detention facility.

If you comply---end of story--you are handcuffed and read your rights after being handcuffed and then transported peacefully to the detention center.
No one will hurt you or abuse you.

If, on the other hand, you refuse to cooperate, then other steps have to be taken. It can be more talking. It can progress to being ordered. Maybe if that doesn't work---then you will be warned, leading to a warning of being tased,etc...

all of these steps become more and more serious....you DO have a choice as to how difficult it will be and if you will be tased or shot or whatever---ALL depending on YOUR actions.

A police officer prefers, of course, to make it easy.

IF ---as a lot of people seem to think---

IF the officers are being abusive,assaultive, reckless or are just plain wrong...



There will be a time and a place for you to seek justice---if your rights have been trampled...

but the arrest scene is NOT where you want to fight this battle...

you will have your day in court---you just have to be smart and not put yourself in a situation where you get your ass beat,tased and generally---humiliated...

Back to the officer making the determination to arrest the old man---


that is the whole key to this...

did the officer act LAWFULLY in determining to make an arrest

or did the officer arrest this person UNLAWFULLY


they will get to the bottom of this I am sure.

[jack sommerset]

We do know they used excessive force. They should be fired and the old man should only get "paid" for any injuries that occured durning the arrest.

[DPG21920]

People hating on cops are so lame. There are far more good cops than bad and you only hear about things like this because it is more interesting than the thousands of legitimate stops and arrests for people doing bad things.

I can easily see how racism is such a problem with thinking like this. Taking a small percentage and extrapolating it to everyone.

This is why everyone should not be allowed to vote.

[DPG21920]

It was directed in general to those lamenting the cops. Sure, there is an attitude problem, but their job is mediocre pay, high stress, dangerous and under appreciated.

There are attitude problems in every field (IT, Government, Medical...).

[DPG21920]

I said it is mediocre, not terrible.

[DPG21920]

Ok, well most cops (that I know of) don't make 75K. But that is semantics at this point and really is not the point of what I was saying.

[4>0rings]

I said it is mediocre, not terrible.
My brother in law has been a cop for 8+ years so far and he made just under 100k. This is with over time though which pays 2 times and half, not just time and a half.... ain't that some shit.

The academy pays around 29k'ish, rookie year is around 35k'ish with incremental raises every year along with inflation raises. You get FULL health/eye/dental coverage for yourself, spouse, and up to I believe 6-8 dependents. Hell he get's $200 a year just for sunglasses. He makes a good living. You get even more by going to school(which they pay for it all) and having a degree for anything.

He also isn't a saint as all the stories he tells me BUT he doesn't mess with good people ie; old man in video. He only messes with real criminals that really deserve it. He's never tazered anyone even though he should have a lot of times. He just beats the hell out of them with his custom made hardwood club. :lmao

[Oh, Gee!!]

they told him several times to get up and he refused. when he got up, they thought he was attacking them.

[boutons_deux]

Analysis: Taser-related deaths in US accelerating

By Daniel Tencer

The rate of deaths in Taser-related incidents is rising as police forces increasingly adapt the conducted energy weapons, a Raw Story analysis finds.

A 2008 report (PDF) from Amnesty International found 351 Taser-related deaths in the US between June, 2001 and August, 2008, a rate of just slightly above four deaths per month.

A database of Taser-related deaths maintained at the African-American issues blog Electronic Village counts 96 deaths related to the use of Tasers since January, 2009.

Assuming the statistics are correct, that indicates the death rate has increased to an average of five per month.

Electronic Village counts the 96th Taser-linked death as being that of Adam Colliers, a 25-year-old resident of Snohomish County, Washington, who was reportedly "running up and down" a street and causing a disturbance when he was Tased by two officers. He stopped breathing shortly afterwards, and was pronounced dead in hospital a short while later.
Story continues below...

It was the second Taser-related death, and the fifth death in a police encounter, in the Seattle area over the past week.

Truth Not Tasers, which maintains an extensive list of deaths linked to conducted energy weapons going back to the 1980s, says Colliers is the 507th person in the US to die in incidents linked to the weapons.

Electronic Village reports that Tasers "are now deployed in law enforcement agencies in 29 of the 33 largest US cities."

But, the blog notes, "the tide may be turning."

As taser-related deaths and injuries have continued to rise (as well as the amount of Taser litigation), many departments are starting to abandon the weapon in favor of other means of suspect control. Currently, Memphis, Tennessee, San Francisco, California, and Las Vegas, Nevada have opted to ban the use of tasers by law enforcement. Additionally, a federal court has ruled (PDF) that the pain inflicted by the taser gun constitutes excessive force by law enforcement. The courts don't want police to electrocute people with their tasers unless they pose an immediate threat.

Amnesty International notes that efforts to determine the lethality of Tasers are being frustrated by the weapon's manufacturer, Taser International.

"Medical studies so far on the effects of Tasers have either been limited in scope or unduly influenced by the weapons' primary manufacturer," the group states.

"Given the unresolved safety concerns, Amnesty International recommends that police departments either suspend the use of Tasers and stun guns pending further safety research or limit their use to situations where officers would otherwise be justified in resorting to firearms," Amnesty says.

============

Cigarette execs say smoking doesn't cause cancer or disease,
Taser execs say Tasers are not lethal.

[silverblk mystix]

Analysis: Taser-related deaths in US accelerating

By Daniel Tencer

The rate of deaths in Taser-related incidents is rising as police forces increasingly adapt the conducted energy weapons, a Raw Story analysis finds.

A 2008 report (PDF) from Amnesty International found 351 Taser-related deaths in the US between June, 2001 and August, 2008, a rate of just slightly above four deaths per month.

A database of Taser-related deaths maintained at the African-American issues blog Electronic Village counts 96 deaths related to the use of Tasers since January, 2009.

Assuming the statistics are correct, that indicates the death rate has increased to an average of five per month.

Electronic Village counts the 96th Taser-linked death as being that of Adam Colliers, a 25-year-old resident of Snohomish County, Washington, who was reportedly "running up and down" a street and causing a disturbance when he was Tased by two officers. He stopped breathing shortly afterwards, and was pronounced dead in hospital a short while later.
Story continues below...

It was the second Taser-related death, and the fifth death in a police encounter, in the Seattle area over the past week.

Truth Not Tasers, which maintains an extensive list of deaths linked to conducted energy weapons going back to the 1980s, says Colliers is the 507th person in the US to die in incidents linked to the weapons.

Electronic Village reports that Tasers "are now deployed in law enforcement agencies in 29 of the 33 largest US cities."

But, the blog notes, "the tide may be turning."

As taser-related deaths and injuries have continued to rise (as well as the amount of Taser litigation), many departments are starting to abandon the weapon in favor of other means of suspect control. Currently, Memphis, Tennessee, San Francisco, California, and Las Vegas, Nevada have opted to ban the use of tasers by law enforcement. Additionally, a federal court has ruled (PDF) that the pain inflicted by the taser gun constitutes excessive force by law enforcement. The courts don't want police to electrocute people with their tasers unless they pose an immediate threat.

Amnesty International notes that efforts to determine the lethality of Tasers are being frustrated by the weapon's manufacturer, Taser International.

"Medical studies so far on the effects of Tasers have either been limited in scope or unduly influenced by the weapons' primary manufacturer," the group states.

"Given the unresolved safety concerns, Amnesty International recommends that police departments either suspend the use of Tasers and stun guns pending further safety research or limit their use to situations where officers would otherwise be justified in resorting to firearms," Amnesty says.

============

Cigarette execs say smoking doesn't cause cancer or disease,
Taser execs say Tasers are not lethal.

Pretty weak sources, to be honest.

Never heard of those publications and there is no mention of HOW were these deaths RELATED to a taser.

There could be other reasons why those people died---and may not have anything to do with the tasers.

Are you aware that police officers get tased when they qualify with a taser?

Most actually volunteer to get tased when they go back the next year to re-qualify.

It is only a temporary shock that stuns you very,very briefly and then---just like that---it is over.

It may appear to be brutal but it is actually not that bad.

The main purpose is to temporarily stun a suspect---just briefly to place handcuffs on their wrists and to avoid further violence and further actions like having to shoot someone.

Stop being drama queens and make a choice----


EITHER SHUT THE FUCK UP---COMPLY WITH A DIRECT ORDER AND STOP RESISTING ARREST


OR TAKE THE TASE LIKE A FUCKIN MAN.



PUSSIES!

[doobs]

They didn't have any reason to be there after he told them to fuck off. And the extra taser action was completely unnecessary.

[silverblk mystix]

They didn't have any reason to be there after he told them to fuck off. And the extra taser action was completely unnecessary.

Again?

The old prick had already opened his piehole and either made a threat or let it out that he was suicidal.

If he didn't want the hassle---he should have kept his fuckin hole shut.

You can't say shit like that in the presence of paramedics or police officers who are bound by law to save lives--and then just change your mind.


Too fuckin late. The old man got what he deserved. Shoulda kept tasing him til he shit his pants and shut the fuck up.

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Pretty basic situation in this video.

Man said something he should not have.

Police gave him instructions for around 5 minutes and when the suspect did not comply, the officers followed thru with their warnings.

The man should have complied with the officers.

I also believe the man needs to be charged with resisting arrest and needs to be subject to a heavy fine and probation or jail time.

When will you ignorant fucks learn to obey the police? They are the enforcement is society.

DO. NOT. FUCK. WITH. A. POLICE. OFFICER. OR. YOU. WILL. BE. HURT.

[chunticakes]

well amidst all this one thing is for certain - silver is a shitty troll.

[4>0rings]

well amidst all this one thing is for certain - silver is a shitty troll.
+ infinity

[silverblk mystix]

well amidst all this one thing is for certain - silver is a shitty troll.

Sorry, not a troll and if you read the posts , they are pretty factual---it is not my problem if you are a cop hater.

If it had been a scenario where the police violated someone's right---

WITHOUT ANY CAUSE


then I would have been on the civilians side and calling for the police officers heads.

Just call em as I see em.

Truth above everything else.

[chunticakes]

When all the smoke clears...I will bet my paycheck that those officers will be cleared and will actually be found to have done a good job!

lol seriously dude, factual??

i stopped reading after that nonsense.

:rollin

[MiamiHeat]

He should get paid.

That cop should be fired.

Anything less than that deserves vigilante justice.

ok, i've seen the video now

1) Why would cops just show up? Obviously, this man was acting nuts and saying stupid things to the paramedics.

2) So the paramedics contacted the police due to the old guy's statements about wanting to kill himself. Cops show up.

3) He is belligerent, pointing fingers, refusing to speak with the police, and confirming the paramedic reports of this old man acting crazy and saying things.

4) at this point, cops have decided he is going to be forced to go for a psychiatric evaluation/hospital. man refuses, they give him lots of warnings, he still refuses, so they taze him.


i don't see much wrong here. Once the man said the things about the gun and wanting to kill himself, that was grounds for the cops to act....

[MiamiHeat]

one more thing

if the police had just left the old guy alone, and he goes through with his threats and grabs a gun.... and maybe even kills someone else + himself....

then the paramedic report would have leaked and the police would have been blamed for not doing anything.

they took his threat seriously.

he wouldnt have been tazed if he just went to the hospital for a psych eval like the cops wanted.

[fantasyfootball]

That guy is going to be handsomely rewarded, as well he should.

They could have just unjustly arrested him if they wanted to take him to the hospital that bad.

Tasing an elderly man with a heart condition makes 0 sense even if the cops were in their right to detain him which it doesn't sound like they were.

Hopefully he names the deputies individually in his suit (not just county/city) so they learn a lesson too.

The only thing I see in favor of the sheriffs is if they can show he posed a threat to the community. Just doesn't look that way though.

[MiamiHeat]

how do police arrest him when he was refusing to stand up and cooperate ?

they could have used force and wrestle with the guy, but thats what they have tasers for nowadays.

i dont think they should be tasering old people though.

[Das Texan]

Explain the second and third taserings then.


I'd like to see how that was fucking justified.

[silverblk mystix]

ok, i've seen the video now

1) Why would cops just show up? Obviously, this man was acting nuts and saying stupid things to the paramedics.

2) So the paramedics contacted the police due to the old guy's statements about wanting to kill himself. Cops show up.

3) He is belligerent, pointing fingers, refusing to speak with the police, and confirming the paramedic reports of this old man acting crazy and saying things.

4) at this point, cops have decided he is going to be forced to go for a psychiatric evaluation/hospital. man refuses, they give him lots of warnings, he still refuses, so they taze him.


i don't see much wrong here. Once the man said the things about the gun and wanting to kill himself, that was grounds for the cops to act....

FINALLY.

Someone else with some common sense and no irrational cop hatred.

[silverblk mystix]

one more thing

if the police had just left the old guy alone, and he goes through with his threats and grabs a gun.... and maybe even kills someone else + himself....

then the paramedic report would have leaked and the police would have been blamed for not doing anything.

they took his threat seriously.

he wouldnt have been tazed if he just went to the hospital for a psych eval like the cops wanted.



I've been getting hoarse trying to make this point now---thanks.

[silverblk mystix]

That guy is going to be handsomely rewarded, as well he should.

They could have just unjustly arrested him if they wanted to take him to the hospital that bad.

Tasing an elderly man with a heart condition makes 0 sense even if the cops were in their right to detain him which it doesn't sound like they were.

Hopefully he names the deputies individually in his suit (not just county/city) so they learn a lesson too.

The only thing I see in favor of the sheriffs is if they can show he posed a threat to the community. Just doesn't look that way though.

I stated this before...

if they forcibly arrest him withOUT the taser there is a good possibility that they could injure and arm,shoulder or his neck-or any part of his body.

If that would have happened--everyone would STILL be calling for the cops heads.

Another thing, again....

Paramedics and Police officers---DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE

when they see or hear of someone threatening to hurt himself or others---check the law

if you are a sworn officer and you DO NOT render aid

you can be liable --financially/civilly (if that is a word) and in a court of law.

So they HAD to take him in--or risk legal action against themselves.

When they evaluated the situation and determined that he HAD to be arrested...that is when the taser came in--

when they realized he was going to be an ass and refuse to cooperate.

And, again...if the old prick had a heart condition---he SHOULD NOT HAVE REFUSED TO COOPERATE!

He also bears some responsibility here.

[fantasyfootball]

I've been getting hoarse trying to make this point now---thanks.

The only flaw to your argument is your 100% wrong.

A taser on an old man with a heart condition? For argument's sake, let's just say they were completely within their rights to arrest and detain, there's still no justification for tasering him.

Tasering him in his state could have easily killed him so even wrestling him to the ground to cuff him would have been better. Police are supposed to use reasonable force to detain. This wasn't reasonable. There was a better alternative. Mere resistance to arrest doesn't provide authority to use any and all force.

And even if you want to go out on a mountain top and put half your feet over the edge and say it's ok to tase here, you can't continually tasing him when he's already subdued. I mean he's a ~65 year old man on the ground that never posed a threat to you. What was he going to do after you already sent him to the ground?

This is absolutely and completely excessive. Your justification for it and actually thinking you're right is unbelievable.

[howbouthemspurs]

What a fucking retard!

[fantasyfootball]

I stated this before...

if they forcibly arrest him withOUT the taser there is a good possibility that they could injure and arm,shoulder or his neck-or any part of his body.

If that would have happened--everyone would STILL be calling for the cops heads.

Another thing, again....

Paramedics and Police officers---DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE

when they see or hear of someone threatening to hurt himself or others---check the law

if you are a sworn officer and you DO NOT render aid

you can be liable --financially/civilly (if that is a word) and in a court of law.

So they HAD to take him in--or risk legal action against themselves.

When they evaluated the situation and determined that he HAD to be arrested...that is when the taser came in--

when they realized he was going to be an ass and refuse to cooperate.

And, again...if the old prick had a heart condition---he SHOULD NOT HAVE REFUSED TO COOPERATE!

He also bears some responsibility here.

You took one true general statement and then incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that it gives police the ability to throw discretion and reasonableness out the window.

The taser is a last resort type of thing. Think of it as a police trying to arrest a big guy that they can't forcibly detain any other way or trying to arrest someone that physically resists or goes on the offensive against them.

Also, cops break the guys arm and you never hear this story. Cops put the 24 second clock on tasing a guy with a heart condition and you hear this story.

[silverblk mystix]

The only flaw to your argument is your 100% wrong.

A taser on an old man with a heart condition? For argument's sake, let's just say they were completely within their rights to arrest and detain, there's still no justification for tasering him.

Tasering him in his state could have easily killed him so even wrestling him to the ground to cuff him would have been better. Police are supposed to use reasonable force to detain. This wasn't reasonable. There was a better alternative. Mere resistance to arrest doesn't provide authority to use any and all force.

And even if you want to go out on a mountain top and put half your feet over the edge and say it's ok to tase here, you can't continually tasing him when he's already subdued. I mean he's a ~65 year old man on the ground that never posed a threat to you. What was he going to do after you already sent him to the ground?

This is absolutely and completely excessive. Your justification for it and actually thinking you're right is unbelievable.

It is funny that you state I am 100% wrong---and you know NOTHING of the law or of what you are talking about. Nothing.
A heart condition is no excuse to resisting arrest. That is a fact.
Where do you get your info that tasering has to be justified--due to someone's health?
Out of your ass-that is where.

The old man could have thought of his heart condition---and decided to go in peace and AFTERWARDS---he could have sought justice. But he BROKE THE LAW by resisting arrest.

It does NOT matter if he believed the arrest was wrong (it wasn't)--he was still bound by the law to comply with the peace officers order. But the old man DISREGARDED his own heart condition---don't try to blame the cops for that.


Where do you get your info that ---with his heart condition--- a taser could have easily killed him?
Out of your ass again. Fact.

If a person truly has a heart condition---any fuckin' thing could have killed him.
A struggle to handcuff could kill him even easier than a taser. A broken bone could shock him and give him a heart attack,etc...

Stop talking about what you don't fuckin' know and use your brain for something other than watching videos.

MERE RESISTANCE to arrest does NOT provide authority to use any and all force...blah,blah...
where the fuck did you hear this garbage?

Out yer ass,again....geez

When a person resists arrest---BY LAW---IN ANY FUCKIN' STATE...

a peace officer is authorized to use any and all reasonable force necessary to subdue and detain a suspect....

it is in the PENAL CODE OF EVERY FUCKIN STATE

if you don't know this---stop talkin out yer ass with your bullshit insulting opinion...

reasonable force---was when they VERBALLY tried to convince the old fuk to comply...

HE FLATLY REFUSED

reasonable force was when they ordered him to place his hands behind his back to be handcuffed and transported peacefully---

HE FLATLY REFUSED!

They had every right to tase his stupid ass...

the 2nd and third tase----

where do you get your info again---do I have to say it again...????

the old man was not subdued.

I will repeat for those of you that are a little thick in the skull...


THE OLD MAN WAS NOT SUBDUED.

A suspect is NOT subdued UNTIL HE IS IN HANDCUFFS.

A suspect is NOT under arrest UNTIL THEY ARE SUBDUED AND IN HANDCUFFS.

As long as a suspect refuses to cooperate and give the arresting officers his hands to be handcuffed---they are not subdued and can be repeatedly tased until they are successfully subdued and in hand cuffs.

I don't argue with someone debating astrophysics or brain fuckin surgery--

because I would sound like an ignorant idiot---cause I don't know shit about those things....


Have you ever tried to arrest someone and had to fight them to subdue them?

I doubt it.

I will state this again and stand by it.


EVERYTHING that i have argued here is factual and correct---otherwise i would

SHUT MY FUCKIN HOLE AND STOP POSTING.


IF I said it---it is because i know what i am talking about---not because i want to fuckin let my emotions take over and just

hate on cops for no other reason except ---that i didn't like seeing an old man get tased...and got all emotionally attached to the argument...


I have personally been involved in hundreds of fuckin tasings and 90 to 95% of the suspects got a short burst from a taser---


AND IMMEDIATELY LAY FLAT ON THE FUCKIN GROUND AND IMMEDIATELY VOLUNTARILY PLACED THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR BACK TO BE HANDCUFFED. NONE OF THEM---0%----were ever injured by being tased.

The other 5-10% were unusual individuals who were NOT affected by taser---and were not affected by pepper spray.

There is a minuscule percentage of individuals in the world who are immune--for some reason---

to tasering and pepper spraying....

these individuals fought for their life and it took many,many officers to subdue them and the ONLY way that they could be controlled was to finally place them in an ERC

an emergency restraint chair


which is a chair that binds ALL of your extremities----

medical personnel have to be summoned to examine them so that the suspects hands,legs,head,neck,etc are properly and humanely secured...and make sure

they are ok and they are able to breathe and their blood is properly circulating,
etc....

I have personally seen dozens of individuals who were---pretty small--maybe 5-6 and 140 lbs

with super human strength


who were on some kind of hallucinogenic ....

and they took 15 officers to practically fight for their lives ---just to get him in this chair....

and afterwards

3-5 officers were nursing wounds, broken fingers, cuts scrapes,bites,bruises...etc


who ALL had to go get tested for AIDS---AND all other kinds of fuckin diseases

let me tell you


the public can bitch and moan all they want about shit---like

arresting somebody NEATLY


WITH ONLY THE ABSOLUTE FORCE NECESSARY


ALL PRETTY AND TIED IN A FUCKIN NEAT BOW


but until you risk your fuckin life and attempt to reason with fuckin

idiots who think they can play games with an arresting officer


then just shut the fuck up


or at least read the law---the penal code

before you start posting your bullshit opinions....


END OF FUCKIN RANT

go spurs

[MiamiHeat]

The only legitimate complaint in this whole thing is the use of the tazer on an old man with a heart condition. he could have died.

police should be forced to use physical force in those situations instead of tazers

[4>0rings]

Idiotic rambling

go spurs
Why do you double space every line to exagerate your post length?

[silverblk mystix]

The only legitimate complaint in this whole thing is the use of the tazer on an old man with a heart condition. he could have died.

police should be forced to use physical force in those situations instead of tazers

incorrect...

he could have been hurt worse without the tasing

that is why

[silverblk mystix]

Why do you double space every line to exagerate your post length?

because I suck at typing...

and punctuation.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The only legitimate complaint in this whole thing is the use of the tazer on an old man with a heart condition. he could have died.



You mean besides not having a legal right to be inside his home?

[EmptyMan]

People hating on cops are so lame. There are far more good cops than bad and you only hear about things like this because it is more interesting than the thousands of legitimate stops and arrests for people doing bad things.


/thread

[Das Texan]

Ummm...


When you are tasered your muscles tense up and you cannot put your arms behind your back.

A properly trained fucking cop would know this.

I dont know the whole story and really dont give a fuck.

The second and third taserings are beyond reasonable fucking force and for that the cops need to be punished.

If after a minute, if you want 30 seconds (mind you, at this point the cops are on top of the old fuck so he isnt going anywhere), he continues to resist then you taser him again. You dont taser him 3 times within what a minute? Thats a gross misuse of force, again I dont know the whole of the facts for the rest of it and really dont give a fuck.

3 taserings in what? 30 seconds? Retarded and stupid.

[silverblk mystix]

Ummm...


When you are tasered your muscles tense up and you cannot put your arms behind your back.

A properly trained fucking cop would know this.

I dont know the whole story and really dont give a fuck.

The second and third taserings are beyond reasonable fucking force and for that the cops need to be punished.

If after a minute, if you want 30 seconds (mind you, at this point the cops are on top of the old fuck so he isnt going anywhere), he continues to resist then you taser him again. You dont taser him 3 times within what a minute? Thats a gross misuse of force, again I dont know the whole of the facts for the rest of it and really dont give a fuck.

3 taserings in what? 30 seconds? Retarded and stupid.

The ONLY accurate thing you said so far....

is that you DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY...

neither do I...


thanks for finally seeing the light.

[Cry Havoc]

because I suck at thinking...

and punctuation.

Ftfy. Your rage is ridiculous/hilarious.

[Cry Havoc]

The ONLY accurate thing you said so far....

is that you DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY...

neither do I...


thanks for finally seeing the light.

Thanks for admitting that the cops used completely excessive force, and that you're 100% wrong. :tu Good that you finally saw the light.

[silverblk mystix]

agreed tbh, i'm one of those people myself except i'm 6'1 225

with superhuman strength---or immune to tasers and pepper spray?

or both?

regardless...

those guys are a bitch to subdue and the worst--in my opinion

are the ones that fit all of the above criteria

PLUS

they are batshit crazy

like the one off the top of my head who was superhuman strong

AND he was on something very strong

AND the fucker was convinced ---not only that we were trying to kill him...

but also that HE WAS ON FIRE...

I mean literally---he was convinced that he was bursting in fuckin flames...

it took a shitload of officers to subdue that little fucker...

5 foot nothing

and a buck forty---soaking wet...

I shit you not--when we were finished---I literally collapsed in fuckin exhaustion

and the fuckin adrenaline lasted---on me--at least three to four hours solid...

[silverblk mystix]

Thanks for admitting that the cops used completely excessive force, and that you're 100% wrong. :tu Good that you finally saw the light.

Admitted I am wrong...not quite...

what I DID say was that


ALL of the facts are not known---by you or by me.

and the police officers will be proven right--without a doubt

any rational person can see that clearly.

[Cry Havoc]

Admitted I am wrong...not quite...

what I DID say was that


ALL of the facts are not known---by you or by me.

and the police officers will be proven right--without a doubt

any rational person can see that clearly.

:lmao
The way you contradict yourself so quickly is amazing. You should really learn to read what you write.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao
The way you contradict yourself so quickly is amazing. You should really learn to read what you write.

OK

Point out just ONE contradiction from me.

Before you go spouting off from your ass again-read the thread.

From the very beginning I said---and I maintained it all the way

is that from ONLY watching that video--that there was NOT enough information to completely say either side was wrong or right.

I believe---from the only information we have here---that video...

that the police acted reasonably and will be exonerated eventually


I ALSO said----FROM THE START

that -------IF--------

the full evidence ends up proving that the officers had NO LEGAL RIGHT TO BE THERE-----


then I said that they should be fired/sued/castrated---whatever----



but I am waiting for you to point out where I contradicted myself ....

just one!

[Cry Havoc]

OK

Point out just ONE contradiction from me.

but I am waiting for you to point out where I contradicted myself ....

just one!

"We don't know any details, so you can't make any assumptions, but I am absolutely right about everything in this thread!"

[silverblk mystix]

"We don't know any details, so you can't make any assumptions, but I am absolutely right about everything in this thread!"

I am not contradicting anything.

I said that whatever I stated in this thread---


that it is correct and I stand by it.

Not a contradiction.

[Das Texan]

I love the defense of the excessive use of tasers. Thats hilarious.

[fantasyfootball]

I read a few lines down but I'm not reading all that BS. Police must use reasonable force in apprehension or detaining someone. They did not.

What you don't understand is just because you break the law, police do not have the right to use any and all means for arrest/detainment. Their use of force must be reasonable under the circumstances.

If you still don't believe me, here you go:

"Police brutality is a civil rights violation that occurs when a police officer acts with excessive force by using an amount of force with regards to a civilian that is more than necessary. Excessive force by a law enforcement officers is a violation of a person's rights. Excessive force is not subject to a precise definition, but it is generally beyond the force a reasonable and prudent law enforcement officer would use under the circumstances. Force should be used in only the minimum amount needed to achieve a legitimate purpose. Police brutality is a direct violation of the laws within the police force. The use of excessive force is also a direct violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S Constitution regarding cruelty and protection of the laws."

If you don't get it, you don't get it. Only one of us is right and it isn't you.


It is funny that you state I am 100% wrong---and you know NOTHING of the law or of what you are talking about. Nothing.
A heart condition is no excuse to resisting arrest. That is a fact.
Where do you get your info that tasering has to be justified--due to someone's health?
Out of your ass-that is where.

The old man could have thought of his heart condition---and decided to go in peace and AFTERWARDS---he could have sought justice. But he BROKE THE LAW by resisting arrest.

It does NOT matter if he believed the arrest was wrong (it wasn't)--he was still bound by the law to comply with the peace officers order. But the old man DISREGARDED his own heart condition---don't try to blame the cops for that.


Where do you get your info that ---with his heart condition--- a taser could have easily killed him?
Out of your ass again. Fact.

If a person truly has a heart condition---any fuckin' thing could have killed him.
A struggle to handcuff could kill him even easier than a taser. A broken bone could shock him and give him a heart attack,etc...

Stop talking about what you don't fuckin' know and use your brain for something other than watching videos.

MERE RESISTANCE to arrest does NOT provide authority to use any and all force...blah,blah...
where the fuck did you hear this garbage?

Out yer ass,again....geez

When a person resists arrest---BY LAW---IN ANY FUCKIN' STATE...

a peace officer is authorized to use any and all reasonable force necessary to subdue and detain a suspect....

it is in the PENAL CODE OF EVERY FUCKIN STATE

if you don't know this---stop talkin out yer ass with your bullshit insulting opinion...

reasonable force---was when they VERBALLY tried to convince the old fuk to comply...

HE FLATLY REFUSED

reasonable force was when they ordered him to place his hands behind his back to be handcuffed and transported peacefully---

HE FLATLY REFUSED!

They had every right to tase his stupid ass...

the 2nd and third tase----

where do you get your info again---do I have to say it again...????

the old man was not subdued.

I will repeat for those of you that are a little thick in the skull...


THE OLD MAN WAS NOT SUBDUED.

A suspect is NOT subdued UNTIL HE IS IN HANDCUFFS.

A suspect is NOT under arrest UNTIL THEY ARE SUBDUED AND IN HANDCUFFS.

As long as a suspect refuses to cooperate and give the arresting officers his hands to be handcuffed---they are not subdued and can be repeatedly tased until they are successfully subdued and in hand cuffs.

I don't argue with someone debating astrophysics or brain fuckin surgery--

because I would sound like an ignorant idiot---cause I don't know shit about those things....


Have you ever tried to arrest someone and had to fight them to subdue them?

I doubt it.

I will state this again and stand by it.


EVERYTHING that i have argued here is factual and correct---otherwise i would

SHUT MY FUCKIN HOLE AND STOP POSTING.


IF I said it---it is because i know what i am talking about---not because i want to fuckin let my emotions take over and just

hate on cops for no other reason except ---that i didn't like seeing an old man get tased...and got all emotionally attached to the argument...


I have personally been involved in hundreds of fuckin tasings and 90 to 95% of the suspects got a short burst from a taser---


AND IMMEDIATELY LAY FLAT ON THE FUCKIN GROUND AND IMMEDIATELY VOLUNTARILY PLACED THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR BACK TO BE HANDCUFFED. NONE OF THEM---0%----were ever injured by being tased.

The other 5-10% were unusual individuals who were NOT affected by taser---and were not affected by pepper spray.

There is a minuscule percentage of individuals in the world who are immune--for some reason---

to tasering and pepper spraying....

these individuals fought for their life and it took many,many officers to subdue them and the ONLY way that they could be controlled was to finally place them in an ERC

an emergency restraint chair


which is a chair that binds ALL of your extremities----

medical personnel have to be summoned to examine them so that the suspects hands,legs,head,neck,etc are properly and humanely secured...and make sure

they are ok and they are able to breathe and their blood is properly circulating,
etc....

I have personally seen dozens of individuals who were---pretty small--maybe 5-6 and 140 lbs

with super human strength


who were on some kind of hallucinogenic ....

and they took 15 officers to practically fight for their lives ---just to get him in this chair....

and afterwards

3-5 officers were nursing wounds, broken fingers, cuts scrapes,bites,bruises...etc


who ALL had to go get tested for AIDS---AND all other kinds of fuckin diseases

let me tell you


the public can bitch and moan all they want about shit---like

arresting somebody NEATLY


WITH ONLY THE ABSOLUTE FORCE NECESSARY


ALL PRETTY AND TIED IN A FUCKIN NEAT BOW


but until you risk your fuckin life and attempt to reason with fuckin

idiots who think they can play games with an arresting officer


then just shut the fuck up


or at least read the law---the penal code

before you start posting your bullshit opinions....


END OF FUCKIN RANT

go spurs

[tlongII]

with superhuman strength---or immune to tasers and pepper spray?

or both?

regardless...

those guys are a bitch to subdue and the worst--in my opinion

are the ones that fit all of the above criteria

PLUS

they are batshit crazy

like the one off the top of my head who was superhuman strong

AND he was on something very strong

AND the fucker was convinced ---not only that we were trying to kill him...

but also that HE WAS ON FIRE...

I mean literally---he was convinced that he was bursting in fuckin flames...

it took a shitload of officers to subdue that little fucker...

5 foot nothing

and a buck forty---soaking wet...

I shit you not--when we were finished---I literally collapsed in fuckin exhaustion

and the fuckin adrenaline lasted---on me--at least three to four hours solid...

So you're a cop?

[silverblk mystix]

I read a few lines down but I'm not reading all that BS. Police must use reasonable force in apprehension or detaining someone. They did not.

What you don't understand is just because you break the law, police do not have the right to use any and all means for arrest/detainment. Their use of force must be reasonable under the circumstances.

If you still don't believe me, here you go:

"Police brutality is a civil rights violation that occurs when a police officer acts with excessive force by using an amount of force with regards to a civilian that is more than necessary. Excessive force by a law enforcement officers is a violation of a person's rights. Excessive force is not subject to a precise definition, but it is generally beyond the force a reasonable and prudent law enforcement officer would use under the circumstances. Force should be used in only the minimum amount needed to achieve a legitimate purpose. Police brutality is a direct violation of the laws within the police force. The use of excessive force is also a direct violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S Constitution regarding cruelty and protection of the laws."

If you don't get it, you don't get it. Only one of us is right and it isn't you.

Well,

you can believe you are right if you want to ---as a matter of fact---the next time that a police officer tells you ---that you are under arrest and tells you to place your hands behind your back---

tell him fuck you...:lmao:lmao:lmao


then come talk to me...

the paragraph you posted is more proof that I am right...

if a suspect has cooperated and is handcuffed and subdued---

OK

that is where you can begin to talk about police brutality


if a suspect has cooperated and is handcuffed and subdued---and then an arresting officer starts tasing and/or beating him



YES


that would be unreasonable and/or police brutality

but when a suspect refuses to cooperate and refuses to stop resisting...then a police officer can use ANY force necessary to complete the arrest...

look...if a suspect is resisting and he is fighting---then a police officer can use INTERMEDIATE weapons...such as a taser or a police baton....

if a suspect is resisting---and then he pulls out a gun, a baseball bat, a tire iron...then a police officer can draw his weapon and shoot---very simple...

a taser is an intermediate weapon and it is very reasonable to use a taser when someone is resisting arrest...

why is that so hard to understand????

a taser---is NOT deadly force---so it cannot be police brutality...

again---


the ONLY way that this would have been UNREASONABLE---OR POLICE BRUTALITY


is if the old man had ALREADY been subdued AND handcuffed


and THEN the police officer would have kept tasing him---WHILE HE WAS IN HANDCUFFS


C'MON PEOPLE

STOP BEING BLINDED BY HATRED AND SEE HOW PREJUDICED YOU ARE BEING AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS JUST DOING THEIR JOB!!!!!!!

[chunticakes]

lol owned.

and i think the hallucinogenic in question is lsd.

all silver needs is some of that...he already has the batshit crazy part down.

[silverblk mystix]

I just watched the whole video...

it is at: abc7news.com

if I knew how to post it here --I would

it is fuckin' hilarious :lmao

You cop haters should watch this so you can see what cop hatred does to your judgement and how ALL of you jumped to conclusions and had your strings pulled by an old fuck - just out trying to get paid by suing the sheriff's dept...

here are some highlights of the 36+ minute video;


#1) the old pricks wife---called the paramedics---and ASKED them to help her because her husband stated that he was going to put a gun to his head and blow his fuckin' brains out :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

----so there goes your theory that the cops had no business there..:lmao:lmao

I told you this before---the paramedics are bound by law to render aid---so they had NO CHOICE ---but to call the cops...:lmao

police had NO CHOICE ---but to take the old prick to the hospital...

#2) for a loooong long time --the cops were as polite and as patient as they could be ---even calling the old prick by his first name....``Peter, please let us take you to the hospital---you won't be under arrest---you WON'T go to jail---it will only be to see someone who can determine if you are a danger to yourself---if you tell them you won't hurt yourself--then they will let you go---c'mon Peter,please???'' :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

and the old prick would just say---fuck you, you prick fuck you---I won't go you fuckin assholes! :lmao:lmao:lmao

fuck you---you fuckin monkeys :lmao:lmao:lmao

#3) the deputy said on tape---``we respond to ALL emergency medical calls''
again---for you diks that kept saying they had no reason to be at the old pricks house

#4) again the deputy---telling the old prick---it will just be a CIVIL DETENTION---just to make sure you don't hurt yourself---

I am no expert---but that is PROBABLY why the Judge dismissed the resisting arrest charge---because--the cops---in an effort to help and convince the old prick to COOPERATE---mentioned that he would not go to jail----

but that is just a guess...

#5) the old prick telling the firemen,`` thanks a lot , you fuckin assholes, i asked you to HELP ME---you called these fuckin pricks---fuck you'' :lmao:lmao

(again---for you morons that cried and cried that the police should have got the fuck out of the old pricks house---he is admitting on tape that HE CALLED FOR HELP---HE CRIED TO THE FIREMEN---then didn't like the HELP he received!!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

#6) the old prick screaming like a little bitch---``take these fuckin handcuffs off----I NEVER---EVER ---WAS UNCOOPERATIVE'' :lmao:lmao:lmao PRICELESS!!!!!!

#7) the old prick screaming as they placed him in a restraint chair---``ahhhh--I got chest pains....ahhhhh...:lmao:lmao:lmao

#8) the PATIENCE of these firemen and police officers to remain professional---throughout all this verbal abuse---and the absolute PATIENCE of the officer holding the taser----to NOT tase the old bitch who would NOT shut the fuck up...



finally


IF this old prick had any DECENCY---


HE would drop this bogus lawsuit and APOLOGIZE to the firemen and the arresting officers for all the bullshit he made them go through---

because the old fuckin pussy couldn't MAN UP and shut his fuckin hole and blurt out that he was going to kill himself---

if anything---he should have MANNED up for his wife---to NOT worry the old bitch in the first place....


very entertaining video and very interesting to see that ---once you see the entire thing---

it changes everything and reveals the shitty journalism that is todays news teams

fuck the media

all the media did from the beginning is TRY to stir shit up and make the old prick to be some kind of helpless victim...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I saw the same video.


They tased him for standing up. They tased him again for writhing in pain.

And they tased him one the last time while he was in cuffs while he was laying on his back.

Sounds reasonable considering the harsh language those cops had to endure.

[MiamiHeat]

You mean besides not having a legal right to be inside his home?

He told the paramedics he wanted a gun to kill himself

That's why the police went in. You can't say things like that because doctors and police officers are forced to take your statements seriously or risk something terrible happening, not just to the old man, but to his family and the community around him.

They have a perfectly legitimate reason for being in his house.

[Fabbs]

Also, while old man was using up police resources for 36 minutes plus all the paperwork bull, what other crimes were taking place that the cops could have been useful for?

Old guy threatened to blow himself up with gun, got it numb nutts?
Police were duty bound to respond.

I would have rather have seem them wrestle old guy to the floor, sure. Then again, where was the gun that he said he had?

[silverblk mystix]

I saw the same video.


They tased him for standing up. They tased him again for writhing in pain.

And they tased him one the last time while he was in cuffs while he was laying on his back.

Sounds reasonable considering the harsh language those cops had to endure.

...oh yeah... I forgot...:lmao

while he was on the floor...cursing everyone..

he was stupid enough to take a KICK....a kick...:lmao:lmao

at the officer who tasered him....:lmao

and he got zapped again....:lmao:lmao


THAT --- might have been excessive....I don't know...the suspect DID

attempt to assault a police officer...:lmao:lmao

but I am pretty sure that---that last shot----


was just for fun!!!!:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

I like cops and am completely unable to formulate an unbiased opinion on this issue.

Ftfy.

By the way, the method with which you type is quickly going to elevate you to being one of the worst posters on Spurstalk. No one cares if you've programmed a lot, the fact that you won't take 10 seconds to edit your post into a readable format shows just how much time you're spending actually thinking about the points you're making, which is to say, none.

Facts in this thread:

1. Lots of people think the police used incredibly excessive force.
2. The one person that is defending them cannot form or type coherent sentences/thoughts.

See how that makes you the losing side in this argument? Because everyone else does. I know a LOT of programmers, many of whom are fluent in several computer languages and operating systems, and none of them type nearly as poorly as you do. In fact, many are very solid with grammar and punctuation, because their familiarity with the keyboard lends them to typing extremely fast, so it's not a big deal for them to actually, you know, not come across as idiotic when they type a post that's more than a sentence long.

[silverblk mystix]

He told the paramedics he wanted a gun to kill himself

That's why the police went in. You can't say things like that because doctors and police officers are forced to take your statements seriously or risk something terrible happening, not just to the old man, but to his family and the community around him.

They have a perfectly legitimate reason for being in his house.

Miami---

why are you the ONLY one who can actually see something---OTHER --

than police brutality?

It is there for all to see---from the beginning.


Everyone has cop hater glasses on in here.

[silverblk mystix]

Ftfy.

By the way, the method with which you type is quickly going to elevate you to being one of the worst posters on Spurstalk. No one cares if you've programmed a lot, the fact that you won't take 10 seconds to edit your post into a readable format shows just how much time you're spending actually thinking about the points you're making, which is to say, none.

Facts in this thread:

1. Lots of people think the police used incredibly excessive force.
2. The one person that is defending them cannot form or type coherent sentences/thoughts.

See how that makes you the losing side in this argument? Because everyone else does. I know a LOT of programmers, many of whom are fluent in several computer languages and operating systems, and none of them type nearly as poorly as you do. In fact, many are very solid with grammar and punctuation, because their familiarity with the keyboard lends them to typing extremely fast, so it's not a big deal for them to actually, you know, not come across as idiotic when they type a post that's more than a sentence long.



Hey Grammar Nazi---who the fuck said ANYTHING about programming?

WTF are you going on about?

I distinctly agreed with you---that i suck at typing---and punctuation...

what part of that did you miss?

Just because I suck at typing and punctuation---has nothing to do with how fast or slow i formulate opinions, thoughts or responses.

I am just not motivated enough to CARE what grammar nazi's like you think of my posts.

This is a fun --spurs board--I am a spurs fan just having fun...chiming in here whenever i see something I find interesting to talk about.

If I have some knowledge ---in some field---

and i see some people who say really inaccurate stuff---like in THIS thread...


well I guess it really appeals to me to invest a little time discussing and debating it.

To be fair-----JUST FOR PRICKS LIKE YOU.....


I will try to mind my P's and Q's ---just a little better...

(after this post)


I will try.

Now---get that knot out of your panties.

[Cry Havoc]

Hey Grammar Nazi---who the fuck said ANYTHING about programming?

WTF are you going on about?

I distinctly agreed with you---that i suck at typing---and punctuation...

what part of that did you miss?

Just because I suck at typing and punctuation---has nothing to do with how fast or slow i formulate opinions, thoughts or responses.

I am just not motivated enough to CARE what grammar nazi's like you think of my posts.

This is a fun --spurs board--I am a spurs fan just having fun...chiming in here whenever i see something I find interesting to talk about.

If I have some knowledge ---in some field---

and i see some people who say really inaccurate stuff---like in THIS thread...


well I guess it really appeals to me to invest a little time discussing and debating it.

To be fair-----JUST FOR PRICKS LIKE YOU.....


I will try to mind my P's and Q's ---just a little better...

(after this post)


I will try.

Now---get that knot out of your panties.

:lmao

So you're raging at me for being a grammar Nazi, then admitting that I have a point and that you'll try harder to be a good little poster? :lol

It's not about sucking at punctuation. There's a huge difference between:

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I couldn't really care less how accurate you are with spelling and grammar. But if it hurts my eyes or it's a struggle to read, I'm not going to bother. If the person making the post made so little effort to think, "Hey, it might be a good idea to make this readable", I'm going to (correctly) assume they're not worth reading. It's one thing to misspell words or leave out punctuation, it's another to add them in mass quantities where they don't need to be like some 14 year old who has ADD and 3 gallons of Red Bull in their system and is only taking time to post between matches of Halo.


Hey Grammar Nazi---who the fuck said ANYTHING about programming?

You said you were a hack writer. I took that to mean hacker, since no writer would ever type the way you do.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao

So you're raging at me for being a grammar Nazi, then admitting that I have a point and that you'll try harder to be a good little poster? :lol

It's not about sucking at punctuation. There's a huge difference between:

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I couldn't really care less how accurate you are with spelling and grammar. But if it hurts my eyes or it's a struggle to read, I'm not going to bother. If the person making the post made so little effort to think, "Hey, it might be a good idea to make this readable", I'm going to (correctly) assume they're not worth reading. It's one thing to misspell words or leave out punctuation, it's another to add them in mass quantities where they don't need to be like some 14 year old who has ADD and 3 gallons of Red Bull in their system and is only taking time to post between matches of Halo.



You said you were a hack writer. I took that to mean hacker, since no writer would ever type the way you do.

You do have the option to not read my posts.

Yes, I did say that I would try harder and you made it out to be some kinda joke or a weakness on my part. I don't know if that means that you have a point but if the way I type bothers you so much and it bothers you so much that you would focus on that instead of my argument, then I guess it would behoove all of us to try to be a bit more readable.

The reason I never edited is because I always felt that this was just a fun board and no-one would care about grammar and punctuation. If I was turning in a paper for a grade somewhere I would probably be more careful

Thanks for the help.

I never implied I was some hacker. I said hack writer.

To me that is just someone who tried to be some kind of writer but realized he was just a hack with no writing talent. Hey, not everyone has the talent to be a
professional writer, but funny that I did get a publishing deal in another field.

You win some you lose some.

I am already beginning to like trying to improve my posts, even though I am sure you will find more inconsistencies in my writing.

Thanks again.

Please don't try to twist this post into something it is not again as I am being very sincere.

[desflood]

I've personally known three cops - two civilian and one military. Two are great guys and great cops - fair, honest, decent people just trying to live their lives and make things better for the rest of us. The third is a power-crazy asshole (to be fair, he was a power-crazy asshole before he became a cop). Which cops you get when you make the call makes all the difference.

[Cry Havoc]

I've personally known three cops - two civilian and one military. Two are great guys and great cops - fair, honest, decent people just trying to live their lives and make things better for the rest of us. The third is a power-crazy asshole (to be fair, he was a power-crazy asshole before he became a cop). Which cops you get when you make the call makes all the difference.

Meh, for the most part the cops I've met and known have been kind, considerate individuals. I can honestly say I've had far more positive interactions with cops than negative ones.

The problem is that police are given too much power with not much to check it. An officer who does something wrong will often have an entire department covering for him, even if his offense was grievous.

[silverblk mystix]

Meh, for the most part the cops I've met and known have been kind, considerate individuals. I can honestly say I've had far more positive interactions with cops than negative ones.

The problem is that police are given too much power with not much to check it. An officer who does something wrong will often have an entire department covering for him, even if his offense was grievous.

I have an honest question for you regarding your last sentence/statement.

Is it possible that you are confusing the interpretation of the law and the feelings you get when you see what looks like an injustice?

You mentioned that cops have too much power and that departments will cover for them, but couldn't it also be that when you see something like a tasering or a violent arrest you are seeing it through the eyes of a civilian and are giving an opinion based on that.

Sometimes what may appear to be unjust law enforcement could just be a matter of looking at the whole picture and dissecting it from both points of view and then looking closely at what the law says-before rushing to judgement.

[Cry Havoc]

I have an honest question for you regarding your last sentence/statement.

Is it possible that you are confusing the interpretation of the law and the feelings you get when you see what looks like an injustice?

You mentioned that cops have too much power and that departments will cover for them, but couldn't it also be that when you see something like a tasering or a violent arrest you are seeing it through the eyes of a civilian and are giving an opinion based on that.

Sometimes what may appear to be unjust law enforcement could just be a matter of looking at the whole picture and dissecting it from both points of view and then looking closely at what the law says-before rushing to judgement.

No, there isn't.

Because as I've said, most cops have been nice to me. However, earlier this year I was also in a situation where a couple of officers blatantly abused their authority for no reason what-so-ever. I know this because I was standing right next to a law student and a paralegal who were telling the officers in question that they were violating civil rights and that they had no authority to attempt to do what they were doing.

The officers didn't even pay attention. They continued ranting, raving, and attempting to bully my small group into making a stupid mistake so they could run us in, until they realized that we were a lot smarter than they were, and they had no ability to control the situation. They made a bunch of blustering threats about watching us (funny because we were just in town for the weekend) and left.

It was a pathetic situation and both officers were just absolutely stupid, pig-headed cops that give every other good cop a bad name. All the while 4-5 other officers were sitting back not saying a word. They knew it was a stupid situation and just wanted to end it peacefully, but they wouldn't dare countermand a fellow officer while on duty, no matter how wrong he was. It was disgusting. Some of the things I heard the main guy say I swear I've seen on Reno 911 before, it was that level of absurdity.

[redzero]

:lol Bump.