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DarrinS
09-03-2010, 12:12 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/us/politics/03students.html?_r=3&ref=us





FORT COLLINS, Colo. — The college vote is up for grabs this year — to an extent that would have seemed unlikely two years ago, when a generation of young people seemed to swoon over Barack Obama.

Though many students are liberals on social issues, the economic reality of a weak job market has taken a toll on their loyalties: far fewer 18- to 29-year-olds now identify themselves as Democrats compared with 2008.

“Is the recession, which is hitting young people very hard, doing lasting or permanent damage to what looked like a good Democratic advantage with this age group?” asked Scott Keeter, the director of survey research at the Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan group. “The jury is still out.”

How and whether millions of college students vote will help determine if Republicans win enough seats to retake the House or Senate, overturning the balance of power on Capitol Hill, and with it, Mr. Obama’s agenda. If students tune out and stay home it will also carry a profound message for American society about a generation that seemed so ready, so recently, to grab national politics by the lapels and shake.

All those questions are in play here in Larimer County, about an hour north of Denver, for the more than 25,000 students at Colorado State University.

Larimer, like much of Colorado, was once solidly Republican but went Democratic in the last few elections and is now contested by both sides. It is seen as a signal beacon for an increasingly unpredictable state.

Kristin Johnson, 23, like many other students interviewed here in recent days, said that a vote for Democrats in 2008, however passionate it was, did not a Democrat make. But she bristles just as much at the idea of being called a Republican.

“It’s like picking a team when you really don’t want to root for either team,” said Ms. Johnson, a communication studies major, who said she was undecided about parties and politics going into the general election campaign.

She is not the only one. Because the university draws about 80 percent of its enrollment from within Colorado —

mostly from Denver and its suburbs — it is also a sort of mirror within a mirror for Colorado’s political culture. Moderate and conservative views are common; a campus monoculture of liberalism is not.

Leah Rosen, a history major from Denver, still vividly remembers witnessing a fistfight outside her dormitory room on election night in 2008 between Obama supporters and McCain supporters. National exit polls back then gave Mr. Obama a 66 percent edge among young people, to 32 percent for Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee.

Larimer is the focal point for a nationally watched House race in Colorado’s Fourth District, where Betsy Markey, a Democrat, is fighting for a second term in a traditionally Republican seat, against a Republican challenger, Cory Gardner.

Senator Michael Bennet, a Democrat appointed last year to fill a vacant seat, is also in a toss-up contest against a Republican candidate, Ken Buck, who has local connections as the Weld County district attorney in Greeley, 20 miles southeast of Fort Collins.

Many students here, especially seniors nearing graduation, said that worries about the economy, and about getting a job after graduation, had filtered through the campus, dampening enthusiasm for Democrats in Congress and Mr. Obama.

Philip Stricker, 21, a biology major who voted for Mr. Obama but says he has not been paying much attention to politics lately, uses a nontechnical term to describe the phenomenon.

“There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

A spokeswoman for the university’s chapter of College Democrats, Mandi Asay, 22, said her group battled apathy on one hand and anger on the other.

“People are angry — about the budget deficit, health care plan, angry about this and that,” she said. “I feel like Republicans definitely, definitely have a chance of getting back on their feet.”

The College Republican National Committee, which works with campus groups around the nation, is making economic angst a focus of its vote-hunting efforts — especially over the national debt, and the idea that young people will be saddled with it.

The Democratic National Committee, by contrast, is trying to reinforce, or re-establish, the bond that many students felt in 2008 with Mr. Obama, and to use that link to bolster support for Democrats. A spokesman for the committee, Brad Woodhouse, said he thought the surveys showing the erosion of Americans identifying as Democrats were misleading partly because voters connected differently with politics in 2008 — more through a person, Mr. Obama, than a party. That makes the task of building party allegiance different from past patterns, he said.

For decades in politics, Republican and Democratic strategists have put their faith in the so-called rule of three, which says that patterns in youth, once established by votes in three consecutive elections, become habit and identity.

Self-identification figures for Democrats — in national polls asking young people what party they lean more toward — peaked at 62 percent in July 2008, according to the Pew Research Center. By late last year, the number had dropped eight percentage points, to 54 percent, though researchers saw an uptick earlier this year, back to 57 percent. Republican gains roughly mirrored Democratic losses.

Some academics who study voting patterns say that the rule of three is too simplistic, and that lots of factors combine to determine a person’s place on the political spectrum. Individual votes, said Donald P. Green, a professor of political science at Yale who studies voter behavior, matter less than the social fabric that people grow into — in jobs, social life, community and values.

In any case, he and others said, there is no doubt that many young people in Larimer County are still finding their way, at a time when everyone agrees that the stakes are enormous.

“We’re at a crossroads in our nation’s future, and we have to decide where to go,” said Chase Eckerdt, 21, a political science major and director of community affairs in the student government, which last week began a new online voter-registration drive through its Web site. The drive, in conjunction with Rock the Vote, the national nonpartisan youth group, aims to register 10,000 students by November.

More than 39 percent of the residents in Fort Collins, skewed by the university’s numbers, are age 18 to 34, compared with about 23 percent nationally.

Sarah Buck, 21, an Obama supporter in 2008, said she planned to vote mainly for Democrats again this fall, even though she said she did not call herself a Democrat. She still believes in Mr. Obama and his agenda and thinks electing more Democrats generally supports the president.

“I’m voting the same way for support at the top,” said Ms. Buck, a communication studies major.

Sarah Hutt, 21, a double major in Spanish and business, said she would vote Republican, as she did in 2008, but for broader reasons. Then, she said, her opposition to abortion nudged her toward supporting Mr. McCain. This time, it is about economics.

“I’m definitely going to float more toward the Republican spectrum of things,” Ms. Hutt said.

clambake
09-03-2010, 12:16 PM
there's a vibe lol

CosmicCowboy
09-03-2010, 12:24 PM
Colorado State is like the A&M of Colorado. Go a few miles south to Boulder and the University of Colorado and it's a lot more liberal.

AFBlue
09-03-2010, 12:58 PM
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Supergirl
09-03-2010, 01:16 PM
The two party system needs to be dismantled. I'm an independent, as is the majority of this country right now.

However, the country is trending toward the progressives on social issues -- which is why the right wing nutjobs are so terrified. They will lose the war in the end. No one under 25 gives a shit whether two people of the same gender can get married. Most of them think they already can.

Stringer_Bell
09-03-2010, 01:54 PM
I can understand these opinions coming from 18-19 year olds still trying to find their way around politics and figuring out what they value, but those kids sound ridiculous.

Not enough college students are going to vote in Midterm elections, they don't give a fuck and the politicians haven't given them a reason to give a fuck because both sides are full of shit. Only around 65% of the voting population votes, and that's in Presidential elections, so it's kind of a crap season to mobolize the youth when Obama hasn't pissed them off like Bush did. The bigger story will be how few people will bother voting when all the options suck so hard.

Nbadan
09-04-2010, 12:44 AM
The two party system needs to be dismantled. I'm an independent, as is the majority of this country right now.

There are more than two parties now...besides, its the two party system that keeps fringe candidates like Sarah Palin from becoming President...you really want to be like Mexico and elect a candidate with 30-something support of the voting electorate? I promise you, that candidate will be a Faux News wing-nut extremist...

Blackjack
09-04-2010, 01:22 AM
Youth is fickle. It all goes in cycles.

It was funny when Obama came on the scene for me because all of these people were all of a sudden claiming they were the epitome of liberal and Barack was the answer to their prayers. When I asked why, it essentially came down to he was cool and he wasn't Bush -- and most of the people I knew or ran into like that were die-hard talking-point cowboys/girls.

It'd be nice in the next 2-11 years that we actually got a candidates who'd be qualified for the job -- and I'd prefer it to be some fresh blood that hasn't been apart of the problem for the last 20-something years. Maybe some actual real-life experience in the private sector and someone who understands what it is to be a lower-to-middle class American without a family name to rely on? Crazy talk.

Until then (which will likely be never), hopefully The Barack can figure this thing out in his second term. It's funny, for as underwhelming and poor as he's been by most accounts, who the hell is going to challenge him?

Yonivore
09-04-2010, 09:50 AM
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boutons_deux
09-04-2010, 10:00 AM
Yoni, what's your plans for getting jobs and economy going?

What has Magic Negro done to destroy the jobs and economy?

What will your beloved Repugs do when they have control of Congress to get jobs and ecomony moving?


(I know Yoni's too chickenshit to take my on-IGRNORE bitch-slappings)

ChumpDumper
09-04-2010, 12:28 PM
So it has dropped a total of 5%?

Wow!

George Gervin's Afro
09-04-2010, 12:59 PM
Yoni, what's your plans for getting jobs and economy going?

What has Magic Negro done to destroy the jobs and economy?

What will your beloved Repugs do when they have control of Congress to get jobs and ecomony moving?


(I know Yoni's too chickenshit to take my on-IGRNORE bitch-slappings)

return to te policies that got us into the recession

Nbadan
09-04-2010, 02:46 PM
The Bush tax cuts created a total of 1 million private industry jobs before the bottom fell out...Dubya increased non-discretionary deficit spending during a period where there was relative growth....had it not been for the bottom falling out of the housing market and the consequential fall of the financial industry, we would still be in a period of small to no growth and high inflation....deficit spending though would be decreasing with health-care reform and the low growth rate of non-discretionary spending by the Obama Adminstration...

EmptyMan
09-06-2010, 01:38 PM
The two party system needs to be dismantled. I'm an independent, as is the majority of this country right now.

However, the country is trending toward the progressives on social issues -- which is why the right wing nutjobs are so terrified. They will lose the war in the end. No one under 25 gives a shit whether two people of the same gender can get married. Most of them think they already can.

I agree somewhat, the problem with "progress"ives however is that they love nothing more than to use social issues to also reach into anyone and everyone's pocket.

When the economy is in the tank it gets cut-throat and people of all ages find their senses. The last defense against the progressive invasion :lol

EmptyMan
09-06-2010, 01:42 PM
Youth is fickle. It all goes in cycles.

It was funny when Obama came on the scene for me because all of these people were all of a sudden claiming they were the epitome of liberal and Barack was the answer to their prayers. When I asked why, it essentially came down to he was cool and he wasn't Bush -- and most of the people I knew or ran into like that were die-hard talking-point cowboys/girls.

It'd be nice in the next 2-11 years that we actually got a candidates who'd be qualified for the job -- and I'd prefer it to be some fresh blood that hasn't been apart of the problem for the last 20-something years. Maybe some actual real-life experience in the private sector and someone who understands what it is to be a lower-to-middle class American without a family name to rely on? Crazy talk.

Until then (which will likely be never), hopefully The Barack can figure this thing out in his second term. It's funny, for as underwhelming and poor as he's been by most accounts, who the hell is going to challenge him?


He doesn't need to figure anything out. Everyone knows what should be done. You mean hopefully The Barack can put personal political agenda aside and actually put the country first.

DMX7
09-06-2010, 01:49 PM
Obama was a lower-to-middle class American without a family name to rely. He also wasn't part of the problem for the last 20-something years. And what private sector experience are you looking for? You want a banker in the White House. Prepare to fork over your social security for a share of Enron.

Wild Cobra
09-06-2010, 08:07 PM
He doesn't need to figure anything out. Everyone knows what should be done. You mean hopefully The Barack can put personal political agenda aside and actually put the country first.
I'm curious,

Just who is the last democrat that put country first? I haven't seen that since Kennedy.

George Gervin's Afro
09-06-2010, 08:21 PM
I'm curious,

Just who is the last democrat that put country first? I haven't seen that since Kennedy.

if you're curious go look it up..

ChumpDumper
09-06-2010, 08:39 PM
I'm curious,

Just who is the last democrat that put country first? I haven't seen that since Kennedy.WTF does that even mean?

Wild Cobra
09-06-2010, 08:40 PM
if you're curious go look it up..
look it up how?

Everyone who writes a blog, news, or other website entry have their opinions. Web searches today are most often just too much information to sift through.

Do you have an opinion? I know many would say Clinton. I would disagree. I would say maybe carter put the nation first, in his own way, but I thing he was among the worse presidents in history.

This doesn't have to be limited to a president and I'm sure there are good democrats out there. Peter DeFazio, from my state, is a good man, but just too liberal for me. I would say he does better than most liberals with their vote, but he still allows for national fuck-ups with his votes. I did however call his office and thank them when he voted NO on TARP.