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Winehole23
09-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Obama wins the right to invoke "State Secrets" to protect Bush crimes (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/09/08/obama/index.html)

By Glenn Greenwald (http://www.salon.com/author/glenn_greenwald/index.html)


In a 6-5 ruling issued this afternoon (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/09/08/obama/JEP_EN_BANC.pdf), the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals handed the Obama administration a major victory in its efforts to shield Bush crimes from judicial review, when the court upheld the Obama DOJ's argument that Bush's rendition program, used to send victims to be tortured, are "state secrets" and its legality thus cannot be adjudicated by courts. The Obama DOJ had appealed to the full 9th Circuit from last year's ruling by a 3-judge panel which rejected the "state secrets" argument (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/04/28/secrecy) and held that it cannot be used as a weapon to shield the Executive Branch from allegations in this case that it broke the law. I've written multiple times (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/02/09/state_secrets/index.html) about this case (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/02/10/obama), brought by torture/rendition victim Binyam Mohamed and several others against the Boeing subsidiary which, at the behest of the Bush administration, rendered them to be tortured.






Continue reading (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/09/08/obama/index.html)


Flu permitting, I'll have much more to say about this decision tomorrow, but for the moment, I wanted to highlight the first paragraph from The New York Times article on this ruling (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/us/09secrets.html?hp), written by Charlie Savage. Just marvel, in particular, at the last sentence (click on image to enlarge):
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"The ruling handed a major victory to the Obama administration in its effort to advance a sweeping view of executive secrecy power." That says it all.


The distorted, radical use of the state secret privilege -- as a broad-based immunity weapon for compelling the dismissal of entire cases alleging Executive lawbreaking, rather than a narrow discovery tool for suppressing the use of specific classified documents -- is exactly what the Bush administration did to such extreme controversy. To see how true that is, just look at this article from Talking Points Memo (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/expert_consensus_obama_aping_bush_on_state_secrets .php?ref=fp1), from April of last year, in which Zachary Roth consulted with numerous legal experts about my argument that Obama was abusing this weapon in exactly the same way Bush did. His findings were encapsulated in the TPM headline:
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Roth wrote:


Salon's Glenn Greenwald wrote that the move "demonstrates that the Obama DOJ plans to invoke the exact radical doctrines of executive secrecy which Bush used." MSNBC's Keith Olbermann called it "deja vu all over again".


Not having Greenwald's training in constitutional law (and perhaps lacking Olbermann's all-conquering self-confidence), we wanted to get a sense from a few independent experts as to how to assess the administration's position on the case. Does it represent a continuation of the Bushies' obsession with putting secrecy and executive power above basic constitutional rights? Is it a sweeping power grab by the executive branch, that sets set a broad and dangerous precedent for future cases by asserting that the government has the right to get lawsuits dismissed merely by claiming that state secrets are at stake, without giving judges any discretion whatsoever?
In a word, yes.

Suffice to say -- with great understatement -- Obama's doing this doesn't trigger the same level of outrage and objection as when Bush did it, at least not in most circles. And I do so fondly recall the days back in the Spring of last year when civil libertarians who were vigorously objecting to Obama's Bush-replicating legal positions were told by vocal Obama supporters that Obama was only doing this in order to ensure that Bush's extremist legal theories were rejected by courts and thus we were all generously showered with the Magnanimous Gift of Good Precedent. Again with great understatement, Obama's appealing the 9th Circuit's rejection of the Bush/Obama "state secrets" argument to the full court -- and thus securing one of the most harmful judicial endorsements ever of this radical secrecy doctrine -- is not exactly consistent with that Obama-justifying rationale.


Mother Jones' Nick Baumann (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/09/jeppesen-dataplan-binyam-mohamed-case-dismissed) and Marcy Wheeler (http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/09/08/9th-circuit-the-government-can-do-anything-to-you-and-hide-it-under-state-secrets/) have more on today's victory for executive immunity. The ACLU's Ben Wizner, who argued the case on behalf of the plaintiffs, said:


This is a sad day not only for the torture victims whose attempt to seek justice has been extinguished, but for all Americans who care about the rule of law and our nation's reputation in the world. To date, not a single victim of the Bush administration's torture program has had his day in court. If today's decision is allowed to stand, the United States will have closed its courtroom doors to torture victims while providing complete immunity to their torturers. The torture architects and their enablers may have escaped the judgment of this court, but they will not escape the judgment of history.
Are you feeling enthused to go vote? If not, just close your eyes and think "SARAH PALIN," and all of this will blissfully disappear. Besides, the President got really animated in his speech on Monday, so that's important.

UPDATE: One other highly illustrative passage from Savage's NYT article today (h/t Brad Friedman (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8053)):


The decision bolstered an array of ways in which the Obama administration has pressed forward with broad counter-terrorism policies after taking over from the Bush team, a degree of continuity that has departed from the expectations fostered by President Obama’s campaign rhetoric, which was often sharply critical of President Bush’s approach.


Among other policies, the Obama team has also placed a United States citizen on a targeted-killings list without a trial, blocked efforts by detainees in Afghanistan to bring habeas-corpus lawsuits challenging their indefinite imprisonment, and continued the C.I.A. rendition program . . . .


As a senator and candidate for the White House, President Obama had criticized the Bush administration’s frequent use of the state-secrets privilege. In February 2009, when his weeks-old administration reaffirmed the Bush administration's view on the case, civil libertarian groups that had supported his campaign expressed shock and dismay.
That, too, is superb under-statement: Obama's continuity of Bush's Terrorism policies "has departed from the expectations fostered by President Obama’s campaign rhetoric." Yes, one could say that.



Just to give a sense for how far we've traveled, how low we've fallen, here's what The New York Times' John Schwartz reported in February, 2009 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/us/10torture.html?hp), when the Obama DOJ first told the 9th Circuit that they were going to assert the same "state secrets" arguments in this case which the Bush DOJ made: "In a closely watched case involving rendition and torture, a lawyer for the Obama administration seemed to surprise a panel of federal appeals judges on Monday by pressing ahead with an argument for preserving state secrets originally developed by the Bush administration." Schwartz described how the judges on the appellate panel were so startled that they actually asked multiple times if the Obama DOJ was really sticking with the Bush position, as though they couldn't believe what they were hearing. What a quaint time that was, when people were surprised by Obama's replicating Bush's secrecy and Terrorism positions -- the very ones he so vehemently condemned when running for President. After 18 months of seeing this over and over in multiple realms, nobody would react that way now.

UPDATE II: The New York Times has a quite good Editorial (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/opinion/09thurs2.html?hp) on this matter this morning -- headlined: "Torture Is a Crime, Not a Secret" -- and explains: "Barack Obama told voters in 2008 that he opposed the government cult of secrecy, but once he became president, his Justice Department also argued that the case should be dismissed on secrecy grounds." The history of America's torture regime will record not only the criminality and shamefulness of the torture itself, but also the subsequent -- and ongoing -- effort by the U.S. Government to prevent its victims from obtaining any justice while protecting the perpetrators from all accountability.

clambake
09-09-2010, 03:30 PM
"you can't handle the truth"

CosmicCowboy
09-09-2010, 04:08 PM
And you are surprised why? The Executive Branch is not willingly going to give up it's right to invoke "state secrets" to hide it's actions.

ElNono
09-09-2010, 04:19 PM
I was reading about this yesterday. Another sad day in American history. Hopefully the SCOTUS can correct this situation, but I'm not holding my breath.

LnGrrrR
09-09-2010, 05:47 PM
F'ing BS.

admiralsnackbar
09-09-2010, 06:08 PM
Gotta love politicians when they hit the stump criticizing their opponents for placing "party over country," then turn around and put party over country.

Dems are so where's-my-wubby scared that they might suffer the same fate as the GOP after the Clinton impeachment nonsense that they aren't willing to investigate/prosecute the members of the 43 administration. Or as CC said, maybe they just don't want to give up the unconstitutional, morally-suspect but easy-as-fuck "yank potential enemies out from the Geneva Convention's aegis and sweep those bitches under a top-secret rug" technique we've had such political success with these past 10 years.

CosmicCowboy
09-09-2010, 06:29 PM
You guys still don't get it.

It's not about torture or prisoners.

It's about the Executive Branch being able to give the rest of the government the finger and hide shit they do behind the "secret" wall. It's all about having power and not wanting to give it up.

LnGrrrR
09-09-2010, 06:33 PM
You guys still don't get it.

It's not about torture or prisoners.

It's about the Executive Branch being able to give the rest of the government the finger and hide shit they do behind the "secret" wall. It's all about having power and not wanting to give it up.

Well... duh. But that encompasses everything else. Being able to hide all this crap behind a secret wall only encourages them to create more crap.

Is the state secrets privilege valid in limited cases? Surely. For specific evidence, not whole cases. What's to stop the government from just using state secrets in any case it may find itself on the losing side of?

Wild Cobra
09-09-2010, 07:28 PM
This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

Is it transparent enough for you liberals?

LnGrrrR
09-09-2010, 08:35 PM
This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

Is it transparent enough for you liberals?

Which liberals are you referring to? WH23, I and others have lamented his stance on civil liberties since Day 1 or so.

You conservatives don't seem to mind him continuing Bush policies too much though.

Nbadan
09-09-2010, 09:05 PM
The Bush administration needs to be prosecuted for its violation of international torture law...notice i said the word 'international', as in, held accountable by the world....

Nbadan
09-09-2010, 09:07 PM
...but condemnation by the torturers own country sometimes takes decades or centuries..if ever, stinks...

Wild Cobra
09-09-2010, 09:31 PM
Which liberals are you referring to? WH23, I and others have lamented his stance on civil liberties since Day 1 or so.

You conservatives don't seem to mind him continuing Bush policies too much though.
We aren't the ones that got so pumped up, believing the campaign lies.

Nbadan
09-09-2010, 09:39 PM
We aren't the ones that got so pumped up, believing the campaign lies.

eerie.... Circa 2010

Zelophehad
09-09-2010, 10:31 PM
This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

Is it transparent enough for you liberals?

:lmao Republican administration's war crimes are being covered up and Republican Cobra says "See, this is bullshit!!" :spin

Nbadan
09-09-2010, 10:34 PM
:lmao Republican administration's war crimes are being covered up and Republican Cobra says "See, this is bullshit!!" :spin

It gets dumber...remember the wing-nut campaign add for 2012 is ...but he promised to fix our mess! Liar!

Winehole23
09-09-2010, 10:36 PM
The Bush administration needs to be prosecuted for its violation of international torture law...notice i said the word 'international', as in, held accountable by the world....Whatever. It's enough for me that indefinite and abusive detentions are contrary to US treaty and statute. Maybe the future will see a revival of the rule of law. For the present, we're fucked: the lack of accountability virtually assures the relevant abuses will recur.

Nbadan
09-09-2010, 10:38 PM
Whatever. It's enough for me that indefinite and abusive detentions are contrary to US treaty and statute. Maybe the future will see a revival of the rule of law. For the present, we're fucked: the lack of accountability virtually assures the relevant abuses will recur.

I agree....I pail to think the abuse potential by a Palin administration...

Nbadan
09-09-2010, 10:40 PM
I have an idea...lets not torture and murder...

Winehole23
09-09-2010, 10:43 PM
I agree....I pail to think the abuse potential by a Palin administration...The outrageous, Brit-style state secrets privilege insisted on by Obama and upheld by the 9th circuit means that if Obama is doing it right now, we'll probably never find out.

LnGrrrR
09-09-2010, 10:57 PM
We aren't the ones that got so pumped up, believing the campaign lies.

So you're insulting those who hoped Obama might pull back some of the civil liberty infringements that Bush enacted? At least Obama paid some lip service to them, which is more than McCain did.

Nbadan
09-09-2010, 10:58 PM
America will eventually have to face its demons, but don't look for it too happen while we still have troops in harms way...

Stringer_Bell
09-10-2010, 01:14 AM
This administration is getting clearer and clearer. Isn't it.

Is it transparent enough for you liberals?

:lmao

The liberals expected Obama to go after Bush, but he just continued Bush policies. Presidents protect Presidents, that's just how it is.

CosmicCowboy
09-10-2010, 08:27 AM
:lmao

The liberals expected Obama to go after Bush, but he just continued Bush policies. Presidents protect Presidential Power, that's just how it is.

Fixed it for you.

coyotes_geek
09-10-2010, 08:34 AM
merely the latest example of how bush = obama.

Supergirl
09-10-2010, 09:22 AM
You guys still don't get it.

It's not about torture or prisoners.

It's about the Executive Branch being able to give the rest of the government the finger and hide shit they do behind the "secret" wall. It's all about having power and not wanting to give it up.

Yeah, but the founding fathers carefully crafted a system of govt to prevent this sort of abuse of power, even predicting it would come. The only hope now to preserve what the created is for one of the other two branches of govt to intervene - in this case, the Supreme Court. But unfortunately, the SC seems to lean towards abuse of power for the president right now. At least when the president is someone they agree with. So maybe the 4 conservatives will vote this down while Obama is in office.

The problem with subverting the balance of power carefully laid out is that once it is subverted, once the groundwork has been laid for unchecked power, that means someone you DON'T agree with could have that power, too. People who supported Bush didn't seem to get that, nor do people who support Obama. Which is why we need impartial judges to NOT do shit like this, to protect our democracy from ourselves.

CosmicCowboy
09-10-2010, 11:30 AM
Yeah, but the founding fathers carefully crafted a system of govt to prevent this sort of abuse of power, even predicting it would come. The only hope now to preserve what the created is for one of the other two branches of govt to intervene - in this case, the Supreme Court. But unfortunately, the SC seems to lean towards abuse of power for the president right now. At least when the president is someone they agree with. So maybe the 4 conservatives will vote this down while Obama is in office.

The problem with subverting the balance of power carefully laid out is that once it is subverted, once the groundwork has been laid for unchecked power, that means someone you DON'T agree with could have that power, too. People who supported Bush didn't seem to get that, nor do people who support Obama. Which is why we need impartial judges to NOT do shit like this, to protect our democracy from ourselves.

Obama's Czars are another way the Executive branch is circumventing the separation of power. He is taking on traditionally legislative responsibilities and has gotten a free pass from his cohorts in the House/Senate.

MannyIsGod
09-10-2010, 11:38 AM
Biggest dissapointment by far. Whatever, fuck them all. Gonna learn some Euro languages and go kick it with Slomo.

Winehole23
09-10-2010, 12:07 PM
Obama's Czars are another way the Executive branch is circumventing the separation of power. He is taking on traditionally legislative responsibilities and has gotten a free pass from his cohorts in the House/Senate.So did his predecessors. This Czar thing isn't the novelty you're making it out to be CC.

Stringer_Bell
09-10-2010, 12:17 PM
So did his predecessors. This Czar thing isn't the novelty you're making it out to be CC.

Is it just me or when I hear them talking about Obama's "Czars"...I think of Mother Russia (and Communism and Socialism, etc)? Is that a part of the smear campaign or does Obama really call his people Czars? If the latter, that's real fucking dumb. :(

Winehole23
09-10-2010, 12:24 PM
Czar=Kaiser=Caesar

LnGrrrR
09-10-2010, 01:13 PM
Obama and Bush's Czars are another way the Executive branch is circumventing the separation of power.

fify

coyotes_geek
09-10-2010, 01:42 PM
Is it just me or when I hear them talking about Obama's "Czars"...I think of Mother Russia (and Communism and Socialism, etc)? Is that a part of the smear campaign or does Obama really call his people Czars? If the latter, that's real fucking dumb. :(

It would be especially dumb since the only connection between the czars and communism is that it was the russian communists who got rid of the russian czars.

Stringer_Bell
09-10-2010, 02:08 PM
It would be especially dumb since the only connection between the czars and communism is that it was the russian communists who got rid of the russian czars.

No shit? I forgot about the whole 1917 thing. I've been off my game lately. But yea, I still think czar has a negative connotation to it, I don't think most people think it's a warm word that we can put our trust in.

Wild Cobra
09-10-2010, 03:16 PM
:lmao Republican administration's war crimes are being covered up and Republican Cobra says "See, this is bullshit!!" :spin
What an ignorant interpretation. Do I need to walk you thorough it?

Obama promised transparency in his administration.

We clearly see he is a liar.

Liberals believed he would open the tome of secrecy and be up front and open.

Obama has been as secretive, or more so than the last administration.

Therefore... I'm saying it should be crystal clear that Obama is a fake. A liar. Cannot be trusted.

one more thing.

I am not a republican.

Wild Cobra
09-10-2010, 03:16 PM
So you're insulting those who hoped Obama might pull back some of the civil liberty infringements that Bush enacted? At least Obama paid some lip service to them, which is more than McCain did.
Would you rather have lip service, or honesty?

CosmicCowboy
09-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Transparency? :lmao

The way he keeps getting owned at the few press conferences he gives he may never give another one...

clambake
09-10-2010, 03:51 PM
Transparency? :lmao

The way he keeps getting owned at the few press conferences he gives he may never give another one...

tell us. how did he get owned?

CosmicCowboy
09-10-2010, 03:53 PM
one small example from today

ucG0yQbU2wE

clambake
09-10-2010, 03:59 PM
so, what does it say in the entire cms study, cowboy?

CosmicCowboy
09-10-2010, 04:03 PM
Unfortunately that vid actually ends as he really starts stuttering...he just spent all that time trying to convince them costs were going down and got confronted with the fact that they weren't...and that was mainstream news (ABC), not Fox....It was pure ownage.

clambake
09-10-2010, 04:07 PM
can you be less specific?

LnGrrrR
09-10-2010, 04:11 PM
Would you rather have lip service, or honesty?

Neither. I'd rather have someone who actually stopped these abuses. Whether one promises to keep them, or whether one promises to stop them but does not, makes no difference to me.

Winehole23
09-14-2010, 10:03 AM
State Secrecy and Official Criminality

By Scott Horton (http://www.harpers.org/subjects/ScottHorton)

(http://www.harpers.org/subjects/ScottHorton)
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals split down the middle in finding (http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/09/08/08-15693.pdf) (PDF) that the Justice Department was entitled to halt a civil lawsuit between private parties because of the threat that the suit would expose state secrets. By the margin of a single vote, it reversed the decision of a panel of the same court (http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/04/27/0815693.pdf) (PDF) holding that the doctrine could only be applied to individual pieces of evidence, not to entire lawsuits.


The case, Mohamed v. Jeppesen Dataplan, involved claims by an individual that he was seized and then tortured in a proxy arrangement directed by the CIA. Jeppesen Dataplan was directly involved, restraining and transporting the victims with knowledge that they would be tortured; that knowledge is exhibited, for example, in briefings to the company’s employees. (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/10/30/061030ta_talk_mayer) These facts were established beyond any reasonable doubt without the need to turn to classified information.



Indeed, one of the most respected courts in the English-speaking world—the Court of Appeal in London–had already viewed the formidable evidence and demanded a criminal investigation, (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/10/binyam-mohamed-torture-ruling-evidence) now pending. The British court concluded, just as the Ninth Circuit was legally obligated to do, that state-secrecy claims could not be used to block discovery of evidence of crimes. Under the International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance (http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/disappearance-convention.htm), which adopts the position that the U.S. Justice Department took in 1946, the crime of disappearance connected to torture is a crime against humanity, with no statute of limitations and no defense of superior orders applicable.


The Holder Justice Department would have us believe that it is protecting state secrets essential to our security. That posture is risible, and half of the court saw through it. The dilemma faced by the Justice Department was rather that evidence presented in the suit would likely be used in the future (not in the United States, obviously) to prosecute those who participated in the extraordinary renditions process.


Twenty-three U.S. agents have already been convicted (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/11/hbc-90006031) for their role in a rendition in Milan. Prosecutors in Spain have issued arrest warrants for a further 13 U.S. agents (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/05/hbc-90007028) involved in a botched rendition case that touched on Spanish soil. Prosecutors in Germany have opened a criminal investigation into the use of Ramstein AFB in connection with torture and illegal kidnappings. Prosecutors in Poland (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/09/hbc-90007587) are pursuing a similar matter. And Prime Minister David Cameron was recently forced to brief President Obama on his decision to direct a formal inquiry which could lead to prosecutions (http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jul/06/cameron-torture-inquiry) tied directly to the subject matter of the Mohamed case. This is the remarkable background to the case decided by the Ninth Circuit, and remarkably not a single word about this appears anywhere in the opinion—or even in most of the press accounts about it.


Both the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/opinion/09thurs2.html?ref=editorials) and the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-secrets-20100910,0,1386686.story) have called the Department on its acts of constitutional treachery. From the West Coast:

The decision to short-circuit the trial process is more than a misreading of the law; it’s an egregious miscarriage of justice. That’s obvious from a perusal of the plaintiffs’ complaint. One said that while he was imprisoned in Egypt, electrodes were attached to his earlobes, nipples and genitals. A second, held in Morocco, said he was beaten, denied food and threatened with sexual torture and castration. A third claimed that his Moroccan captors broke his bones and cut him with a scalpel all over his body, and poured hot, stinging liquid into his open wounds.
From New York:

The state secrets doctrine is so blinding and powerful that it should be invoked only when the most grave national security matters are at stake — nuclear weapons details, for example, or the identity of covert agents. It should not be used to defend against allegations that if true, as the dissenting judges wrote, would be “gross violations of the norms of international law.” All too often in the past, the judges pointed out, secrecy privileges have been used to avoid embarrassing the government, not to protect real secrets. In this case, the embarrassment and the shame to America’s reputation are already too well known.
The majority opinion is so thoroughly unconvincing that the court makes a pathetic plea to other branches of the government to do what is properly its function: fixing the claims of torture victims and awarding them damages.


By signing the Convention Against Torture, the United States made an unequivocal commitment to the international community to compensate those who are tortured by its agents. The Ninth Circuit has made a liar out of Uncle Sam and a mockery of its duty to uphold the law proscribing torture.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/09/hbc-90007607

Winehole23
09-16-2010, 01:32 PM
The DOJ is considering hiding targeted killings of Americans behind it too:


Nevertheless, many in the administration are reluctant to air in court the case that Mr. Awlaki is waging war against the United States, in part because they do not want to concede that judicial review is appropriate for executive branch decisions on targeted killings.
Instead, they are seeking to have the lawsuit dismissed without discussing its merits. For example, officials say, the brief is virtually certain to argue that Mr. Awlaki’s father has no legal standing to file a lawsuit on behalf of his son.



To strengthen the case, they are considering at least two other potential arguments, each with a downside.



The first would involve asking the judge to dismiss the case because it could reveal classified information. Under the “state secrets doctrine (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/state_secrets_privilege/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier),” the government can seek to withhold evidence or block lawsuits related to national security.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/world/16awlaki.html?_r=1

LnGrrrR
09-16-2010, 01:40 PM
So, let's get this straight.

Obama claims the right to assassinate American citizens, rather than bring them to court. And when people DO try to bring it to court, he'll use "state secrets" to shut it down.

Are we still living in America? I mean, I'm not being hyperbolic here. This is some tyrannical/dictatorial shit here.

Winehole23
09-16-2010, 01:47 PM
Definitely some "through the looking-glass"shit right thurr. In yesterday's article Greenwald compared Obama -- very appropriately I thought -- to the Queen of Hearts.

Winehole23
12-14-2012, 01:17 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/world/europe/european-court-backs-cia-rendition-victim-khaled-el-masri.html?_r=1&

Winehole23
12-14-2012, 01:44 PM
In a landmark decision (http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/litigation/el-masri-v-macedonia), Europe’s highest court has concluded that techniques used routinely by the Bush-era CIA in connection with its extraordinary-renditions program constitute torture. The Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights, sitting in Strasbourg, awarded damages to a German greengrocer of Lebanese extraction, Khalid El-Masri. The Court also chided the governments involved for failing to pursue criminal accountability for those responsible for El-Masri’s abduction and torture. El-Masri had been mistaken for a similarly named terrorist operative while he was on a trip in December 2003 to Macedonia. He was seized by Macedonian authorities, acting in close coordination with the United States, and was turned over to the CIA. After being flown in a chartered “torture taxi” to Afghanistan, he was held in the CIA’s notorious “Salt Pit” prison north of Kabul. Even after the mistaken identification was confirmed, the CIA continued to hold El-Masri for six weeks, ignoring instructions from the White House to release him. After a further intervention from Condoleezza Rice, El-Masri was granted his release and abandoned on a hilltop in Albania, five months after he was detained.


The Court focused its attention on El-Masri’s treatment in the hands of a CIA extraction team:

[T]wo people violently pulled his arms back . . . he was beaten severely from all sides. His clothes were sliced from his body with scissors or a knife. His underwear was forcibly removed. He was thrown to the floor, his hands were pulled back and a boot was placed on his back. He then felt a firm object being forced into his anus . . . a suppository was forcibly administered. He was then pulled from the floor and dragged to a corner of the room, where his feet were tied together. His blindfold was removed. A flash went off and temporarily blinded him. When he recovered his sight, he saw seven or eight men dressed in black and wearing black ski masks. One of the men placed him in a nappy. He was then dressed in a dark blue short-sleeved tracksuit. A bag was placed over his head and a belt was put on him with chains attached to his wrists and ankles. The men put earmuffs and eye pads on him and blindfolded and hooded him. They bent him over, forcing his head down, and quickly marched him to a waiting aircraft, with the shackles cutting into his ankles. . . . He had difficulty breathing because of the bag that covered his head. Once inside the aircraft, he was thrown to the floor face down and his legs and arms were spread-eagled and secured to the sides of the aircraft.


As the court noted, these procedures were part of a standard protocol used by the CIA at the time, described in numerous reports relating to the extraordinary-renditions process and covered by a secret CIA memorandum (http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/082409/olcremand/2004olc97.pdf) (PDF) dated December 30, 2004. The court found that El-Masri had been tortured and sodomized as a result of these procedures. Although the Obama Administration banned torture and ended the extraordinary-renditions program under an Executive Order issued the second day of Obama’s presidency, it remains unclear whether the extraction protocol is still in effect. In one rendition (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/target-of-obama-era-rendi_n_256499.html) carried out by the Holder Justice Department in April 2009, similar procedures were used on a defendant in a petty corruption case, though no suppository was applied. The Justice Department vigorously defended the extraction protocol (http://tinyurl.com/aylkvtd) in that case and insisted that the procedures it authorized did not constitute torture.


The El-Masri ruling is a watershed event principally because it reflects the first high-profile, binding judicial determination that the CIA used torture practices in connection with its renditions program. Thus far, litigation of the issue in the United States has failed as federal courts — deferring to the executive’s attempts to avoid scrutiny of well-documented and severe human rights abuses by invoking secrecy — have generally refused to allow cases to proceed to trial. In the El-Masri case, the government mounted similar defenses based on national-security concerns and secrecy, but the Court refused to prioritize these over well-documented claims of torture. El-Masri’s evidence had been corroborated by a German criminal investigation, and the Court also found that internal U.S. probes, as well as investigations conducted by human rights organizations, the European Parliament, and the Council of Europe provided him substantial support. The Court’s decision required careful cognizance of leaked classified U.S.-government documents, and of U.S. diplomatic cables that affirmed American conniving aimed at blocking criminal probes into the El-Masri case.


Jim Goldston, a former U.S. federal prosecutor who represented El-Masri before the Court, told me that the decision should come as a “wake-up call to the Obama Administration and to the American courts, showing that it is possible to investigate torture and similar abuses connected with the war on terror even while it is underway.”


The ruling establishes that governments who collaborated with the CIA, even while they weren’t themselves directly participating in the rendition, are nevertheless liable for torture and attendant crimes. In this regard, it is likely to be studied closely in Poland, where a prosecution has been opened (http://harpers.org/blog/2012/03/first-criminal-charges-brought-in-polish-probe-of-cia-black-site/) targeting Polish intelligence officials who supported the CIA’s black site there.


During a call from Condoleezza Rice to German chancellor Angela Merkel, the United States acknowledged its mistake in seizing El-Masri. However, it has never offered him an apology, insisting in response to his complaints that the torture inflicted on him was a state secret. Nor has the United States offered El-Masri compensation or access to rehabilitation, even though it is obligated to do so under the Convention Against Torture.


The decision also focuses attention on the fact that the perpetrators of El-Masri’s torture have not been held to account under criminal law. According to an investigation run by the Associated Press (http://gawker.com/5755942/at-the-cia-accidentally-kidnapping-and-torturing-an-innocent-guy-earns-you-a-promotion), CIA officer Alfreda Frances Bikowsky (http://gawker.com/alfreda-frances-bikowsky/) played a key role in El-Masri’s abusive treatment, ignoring his protests because her “gut told her” he was a terrorist. Bikowsky was quickly promoted following the El-Masri incident, and she now occupies a senior counterterrorism post, from which she exercises great influence on sensitive operations.


In view of Attorney General Eric Holder’s announcement of official impunity (http://harpers.org/blog/2012/08/holder-announces-impunity-for-torture-homocides/) for torture-related crimes involving CIA agents during the war on terror, the Court’s judgment boils down to this question: What nation will step up to the plate, conduct a proper investigation, and bring charges? It points a finger toward two loyal U.S. allies: Germany and Macedonia. Macedonia was complicit with the CIA, while Germany buckled to U.S. diplomatic pressure and stopped its criminal probe. The Court makes clear that criminal investigation and prosecution must now follow.

http://harpers.org/blog/2012/12/european-court-condemns-cia-extraction-techniques-as-torture/