big fish kill in the gulf...

[CosmicCowboy]

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=187220&stc=1&d=1284066542
http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=187219&stc=1&d=1284066542
http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=187221&stc=1&d=1284066542

[clambake]

careful......it's a trap!

[4>0rings]

Red algae?

[CosmicCowboy]

careful......it's a trap!

:fishing

[jack sommerset]

Where's the oil?

[boutons_deux]

happens every day

move along, mates, nothing to see here

big fish are more sensitive than fish eggs or fingerlings. :)

[CosmicCowboy]

happens every day

move along, mates, nothing to see here

big fish are more sensitive than fish eggs or fingerlings. :)

WTF? You mean it's not Repugs and bigcorps fault?

[CosmicCowboy]

Unfortunately, it's my favorite place to fish at the coast...I've won several tournaments fishing there...


CORPUS CHRISTI — Unusually low oxygen levels could be at the root of two separate fish kills near Baffin Bay, biologists said.

Anglers reported hundreds of dead fish in an extreme western area of Baffin Bay Monday, near the convergence of Laguna Salada and Cayo Del Grullo offshoot bays.

The species list includes croaker, mullet, several kinds of perch, redfish and trophy size speckled trout,

Texas Parks & Wildlife Department’s Alex Nunez said the likely killer is an aggressive bloom of nontoxic algae that depletes dissolved oxygen at night under certain conditions. Those conditions include hot water, high nutrient levels and low salinity, all of which have been present in the Baffin Bay area for weeks, Nunez said.

The exact type of algae will be determined later, Nunez said. But state biologists have ruled out algae associated with the toxic red tide or nontoxic brown tide, both of which periodically bloom in Coastal Bend bays.

Late this past week anglers reported another fish kill between Baffin Bay and a stretch of the Intracoastal Waterway known as the Landcut. Nunez suspects this kill, which mostly involved mullet and other baitfish, was the result of extremely depleted oxygen levels caused by recent flooding of the Rio Grande.

Nunez said much of the freshwater entered Laguna Madre through the Arroyo Colorado and a series of Rio Grande Valley canals and spillways that diverted floodwaters from the Rio Grande. This water entered the Lower Laguna Madre south of Port Mansfield and worked its way through the Landcut to the mouth of Baffin Bay, where salinity levels in the upper water column were measured as low as single digits during recent weeks, Nunez said.

The salt content of seawater generally is about 35 parts per thousand. Summer salinity levels in Baffin Bay can reach into the 50 ppt or 60 ppt range depending on rainfall.

Because freshwater is less dense than saltwater, the river water formed a blanket near the surface of the Intracoastal Waterway within the Laguna Madre. This blanket prevented water column mixing and photosynthesis from occurring at lower depths of the channel, where decaying nutrients and warm temperatures further prevented the normal generation of dissolved oxygen. And that kills fish, Nunez said.

Biologists are uncertain what effects Tropical Storm Hermine will have on the situation.

[admiralsnackbar]

Speckled trout?

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah...Baffin's known for monsters...

[admiralsnackbar]

They look it -- at least in that first pic. Scale is tough in close-ups. Anyway... what a waste.

Did the kill mess up the whole trip, or did y'all just boat out further?

[CosmicCowboy]

They look it -- at least in that first pic. Scale is tough in close-ups. Anyway... what a waste.

Did the kill mess up the whole trip, or did y'all just boat out further?

I didn't take the pics...

[admiralsnackbar]

My bad... misinterpreted your intro to the article.

[Nbadan]

JKDtUzRIG6I

[MannyIsGod]

High nutrient levels and low salinity are the result of runoff right? Don't fertilizers contribute to these blooms? High water temps - well - you know what that can be attributed to.

I know CC meant this as a trap but its a shame you likely can't compare the amount and type of these fish kills that happen now to what happened 50/100/150 years ago.

[boutons_deux]

High nutrient levels are result of runoff from crop and animal farms, causing algae blooms with their poisonous excretions and hypoxia.

The Amazon outflow creates an wonderful, life-supporting enrichment of the Atlantic.

The Mississipi and Delaware outflows create dead zones in the Gulf and Chesapeake.

[DarrinS]

This has to be the fault of humans.

I think I'm gonna have a fish sandwich today.

[clambake]

no you won't. just like you lied about going to the coast.

[DarrinS]

no you won't. just like you lied about going to the coast.


Weather forced a change of venue, douchebag.

[clambake]

Weather forced a change of venue, douchebag.

another lie. keep rackin up, mr. birther.

[DarrinS]

another lie. keep rackin up, mr. birther.


Your insults hurt me to the core. :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

High water temps - well - you know what that can be attributed to.




uhhhhh...Summer?

[MannyIsGod]

There is record heat content in the ocean yet Summer comes every year. You also convenient glossed over the previous two items. I didn't even mention the loss of marshlands which contributes to more of the nutrients and fresh water reaching farther out into the Gulf.

Just to be clear - I'm not attributing this fish kill directly to anything man made in particular I'm merely pointing out how human activities have likely raised the occurrence of these events.

[CosmicCowboy]

There is record heat content in the ocean yet Summer comes every year. You also convenient glossed over the previous two items. I didn't even mention the loss of marshlands which contributes to more of the nutrients and fresh water reaching farther out into the Gulf.

Just to be clear - I'm not attributing this fish kill directly to anything man made in particular I'm merely pointing out how human activities have likely raised the occurrence of these events.

I realize that you understandably know little about our coastal estuary fishery...it's not something the casual person would relate to or care about if they weren't an outdoors/fishing/boating person. The estuary is very temperature variant depending on the season. The Estuary fishes biggest threat is cold...At least every 5 years we have big fish kills that are cold related...their second biggest threat is the hot weather oxygen lamination like this fish kill...this stuff just happens and has been happening as long as I can remember.

[MannyIsGod]

That may all be very well and true but it doesn't really contradict anything I posted. The largest threat may be the cold but there are human factors that are increasing the 2nd largest threat.

[byrontx]

I am a fisherman, too. There is no doubt that the fertilizers in the run-off are affecting the growth of algae in our coastal waters. That is likely a factor in this fish kill. We do need better farm practices and the idiots what be in charge at TCEQ just need to be hung & shot.
My biggest concern is what we do not test for: industrial discharges having compounds that mimic hormones when fish (or humans) are exposed to them. It could be a much bigger problem than anyone realizes. There's irony in that most Republicans think that they (industrial polluters) could not do something like that, the government would not let them (Dems being more suspicious). The fact is that there are no required testing for these compounds and, as a result, no laws outlawing the discharge of chemicals like that in the manufacturing process. Even if there were, the unspoken rule at TCEQ is that you can doing anything you like after dark when a lot of illegal dumping takes place and, if your discharges are so onerous that people start complaining (&this, by itself, is not anything that would be noticed), TCEQ will not just show up at the door with a test kit-they will call and make an appointment.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es0630137
http://207.114.134.6/coal/tx/pr/pr2010-07-22b.aspx

I hope that fellow fishermen will not be apologists for those who profit by degrading our waters.

[boutons_deux]

Water is fucked

Air is fucked

Land is fucked

as is its nutrient-deprived, genetically modified, *-icide-laden, pathogenic produce

Food(-like substances from corps) is fucked.

Economy is fucked

Americans' health is fucked.

And they're all getting worse with no remediation in sight.

But TV-watchin, dumbed-down, sleep-walkin, know-nothing Great American People think they are God's Chosen Country and that Corporate-Americans are to be worshipped and unregulated.

[CosmicCowboy]

Water is fucked

Air is fucked

Land is fucked

as is its nutrient-deprived, genetically modified, *-icide-laden, pathogenic produce

Food(-like substances from corps) is fucked.

Economy is fucked

Americans' health is fucked.

And they're all getting worse with no remediation in sight.

But TV-watchin, dumbed-down, sleep-walkin, know-nothing Great American People think they are God's Chosen Country and that Corporate-Americans are to be worshipped and unregulated.

Jeez dude, just kill yourself already.

[desflood]

JKDtUzRIG6I
And here I thought I was the last Dr. Demento fan left alive.

[desflood]

Water is fucked

Air is fucked

Land is fucked

as is its nutrient-deprived, genetically modified, *-icide-laden, pathogenic produce

Food(-like substances from corps) is fucked.

Economy is fucked

Americans' health is fucked.

And they're all getting worse with no remediation in sight.
So, since you have all these complaints, do you have any remedies to go along with them?

[boutons_deux]

eg:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-09/usdo-ttf091010.php

Soil not treated with triclosan contains triclosan.

Soil fertilized with human poop contains up to many times more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan

There are something like 100K synthetic chemicals that the American chemical industry lobbyists have gotten exempted from testing.

Kill myself? nah, I've made my peace with the hopeless situation on its downward trajectory. I do what I can not to be fucked up by corporate activity, and am clearly way ahead of the avg American obese, drugged, wage-slave dumbfuck, but it's damn near impossible to be immune.

[desflood]

Kill myself? nah, I've made my peace with the hopeless situation on its downward trajectory. I do what I can not to be fucked up by corporate activity, and am clearly way ahead of the avg American obese, drugged, wage-slave dumbfuck, but it's damn near impossible to be immune.
You should consider founding a commune/militia. Hippies with guns. I say this in all seriousness, not jest. As soon as I can convince the old man to leave his government job, we'll join it :lol

Humanity as a whole does not impress me.

[byrontx]

So, since you have all these complaints, do you have any remedies to go along with them?

Environmental assessments can be done that provide some type of forecast as to the cost of remedial efforts to off-set the damage caused by the chemical and that charge broken down to a cost per gallon, lb. and so forth. Then charge that at time of purchase on that chemical. This is actually a market-based solution since you are free to determine if the benefits of applying that chemical justify the combined costs. Most likely farmers and other users would be more judicial in their use of the chemical.

Re-define corporate structure as being something other than a legal "person" for purposes of business. Create the legal power to criminally prosecute corporate leaders who knowingly violate the law (ie. knowingly dumping chemicals that retard brain stem development if fetuses can result in attempted murder charges). Restrict campaign donations to individuals only.

A VAT tax on processed foods. One hour mandatory martial arts training for students (kinda like Newt's idea). Define making your children obese as a form of child abuse since it ends up harming society as a whole an fucks up their lives. Create incentives for kids to be good-3.2 or better grade average gets admission int o drivers ed at 15, 2.0 or below including dropping out-no drivers license until 18.

Just tossing ideas out. The situation is not hopeless but hopefully we can progress from being a society of consumer sheep to being well-rounded, thinking people (like the founding fathers, who thought about things other than themselves).

[boutons_deux]

So, since you have all these complaints, do you have any remedies to go along with them?

They aren't complaints. They are statements of irrefutable fact.

There aren't any remedies.

The corps control DC and legislation, so serious regulations won't get passed. Any regulations that do get passed will simply enrich the corps while being ineffective, unenforced, unstaffed, unfunded (which is, eg, the Repugs' plan for gutting health care reform).

[desflood]

The situation is not hopeless

There aren't any remedies.
Which is it?


I agree with you in particular about what to do with children. My kids take Tae Kwon Do and lose all video game privileges if grades in any subject fall below a B. Surprising that we agree on such a big issue :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Weather forced a change of venue, douchebag.

I would think "realizing I plan on vacationing in the Gulf" would be enough to force a change of venue.

[byrontx]

Which is it?


I agree with you in particular about what to do with children. My kids take Tae Kwon Do and lose all video game privileges if grades in any subject fall below a B. Surprising that we agree on such a big issue :lol

I got my 6 year-old (4 at the time) into Tang Soo Do and then I joined (I am a late bloomer. I am 56, my wife is 41). Now my wife has joined as well. I really feel that in many ways I am conservative but neo-cons disgust me(I consider them right-wing liberals) and I am vary wary of corporate power so I am more old-style populist in my views. Self-employed, entreprenuer and all that.

I want my 6 yr old to breathe clean air and drink uncontaminated water. He is already a dedicated fisherman and outdoors type of guy. We spend a lot of time in the woods and on the coast. I want him to have that when he gets older, for HIS kids and all that.

I glad you have that with your kids-they'll be the better for it.