Cowboys sign Miles Austin to 6 year deal

[Zelophehad]

"According to two league sources, Austin will earn $57 million over the length of the contract."

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5551668

[badfish22]

:tu

[Horry For 3!]

Yeah, ESPN just reported it.

[IronMexican]

He's a beast.

[vander]

:lol
one great half-season and he gets a 6 year deal. they'll cut him after 3

[PopeJohnPaulII]

This is the funniest thing i have heard since the boy hidden in my closet screamed for his mommy.

[Veterinarian]

:lol
one great half-season and he gets a 6 year deal. they'll cut him after 3

He's good, but I feel the same way. A half season for 57 million?

Worse, some football stat geek on ESPN ran an article recently saying he had some data that proved Austin was easily the best reciever in the NFL. :lmao

[Dr. Gonzo]

Worse, some football stat geek on ESPN ran an article recently saying he had some data that proved Austin was easily the best reciever in the NFL. :lmao

90210 agrees with that statement.

[Veterinarian]

90210 agrees with that statement.

The funny part is there was a direct comparison with Andre Johnson and he said Austin blows Johnson out of the water.

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[Steve Kerr]

The funny part of that is how the stat geek didn't account for the fact AJ sees safety help on virtually every play.

[Veterinarian]

"Miles Austin has surpassed Andre Johnson as the best receiver in the league"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=5398251





Miles Austin has seized the WR crown
Andre Johnson isn't even the best receiver in his state anymore

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Getty ImagesIf the Cowboys are to reach a Super Bowl in their stadium, Miles Austin needs to play a huge role.

One of the methods that former college football coach Bear Bryant used to settle positional battles early in his coaching career was the "challenge system." This allowed any player to call for a one-on-one battle with a starter. The two would go head-to-head in a variety of areas (blocking, tackling, receiving, etc.) to see who was the best at executing the key responsibilities of the position. The winner would claim the prize as starter.

If such a system existed in the world of statistical analysis, there would be many potential challengers to Houston Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson for the title of best wide receiver in the NFL. Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss and Reggie Wayne all would serve as worthy foes for Johnson, but surprisingly enough, none of them would rank as the No. 1 contender.

The real competition for Johnson as the NFL's premier wideout comes from within the state in which he plays pro football. Many might not consider Miles Austin to be an elite wideout yet, but he actually had a better set of metrics than any of the three other aforementioned contenders this past season.

So did he do enough last season to beat the perceived champion for the belt?
Andre Johnson
Andre Johnson
#80 WR
Houston Texans

2009 STATS

* Rec101
* Yds1569
* TD9
* Avg15.5
* Long72
* YAC532

To find out, let's do it like Bryant's players and run a 10-stage challenge. We'll compare both Austin's and Johnson's yards per attempt (YPA) metrics in 10 main receiving categories. At the end, whoever has the most victories will win the honor of best wide receiver in the NFL.

A full chart follows the breakdown by category.

Short passes (thrown downfield 10 yards or fewer)
Austin's 9.4 YPA topped Johnson's 6.0 mark by more than a 50 percent margin. That is enough to give him a win, but it is also worth noting that Austin didn't just beat Johnson in this metric but also led the entire league in this category.
Challenge status: Austin 1, Johnson 0

Medium passes (11-19 yards downfield)
OK, so Austin wins on dinks and dunks, but can he beat Johnson on the deep out, deep in and comeback routes that make up the bulk of the medium-depth patterns? Not exactly, but he didn't lose to him, either. Austin and Johnson both gained 12.1 YPA on medium routes last season.
Challenge status: Austin 1, Johnson 0, 1 tie

Deep passes (20-29 yards downfield)
For most receivers, the deeper the pass, the more likely it is they would lose to Johnson, but Austin won this category as well. His 20.3 mark ranked ninth in the league and nearly doubled Johnson's 10.9 YPA.
Challenge status: Austin 2, Johnson 0, 1 tie

Bomb-length passes (30 or more yards downfield)
Go patterns are the kings of this route depth, and this is where Johnson starts to make his stand. His 26.1 YPA ranked seventh in the league overall and second among wideouts with 10 or more bomb attempts. It also nearly doubled Austin's 13.8 YPA mark.
Challenge status: Austin 2, Johnson 1, 1 tie

Vertical (all medium, deep and bomb passes)
Johnson's lead in the bomb-pass category helped vault him over Austin in this all-encompassing category, but not by much. Johnson posted a 14.5 YPA mark, ranking 10th in the league, while Austin checked in with a 13.7 YPA total (which ranked 15th).
Challenge status: Austin 2, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Overall YPA (all route depths)
Johnson's bomb-pass prowess helped him close enough ground to win the vertical category, but it wasn't enough to overcome Austin here. Austin's 11.2 overall YPA mark ranked fourth and was more than a yard ahead of Johnson's 9.9 YPA total.
Challenge status: Austin 3, Johnson 2, 1 tie
Miles Austin
Miles Austin
#19 WR
Dallas Cowboys

2009 STATS

* Rec81
* Yds1320
* TD11
* Avg16.3
* Long60
* YAC588

In the portion of this challenge based on depth of the pass route, Austin is the winner -- but distance alone is not the only indicator of how good a receiver is. Another way to measure receiving excellence is to see how well each wideout did when facing varying levels of competition.

I went through the breakdown charts I did for every game from the 2009 season and pulled out the plays on which a receiver faced a cornerback. I then assigned color-coded grades to the cornerbacks based on their 2009 YPA totals (which can be found in the KC Joyner Metricmania section in the 2010 ESPN The Magazine fantasy football preview).

Against cornerbacks who yield YPAs of 7 yards or fewer on average (red-rated CBs)
Austin was hardly fazed by elite competition, as he posted 12.0 YPA against them. Johnson's 8.0 YPA in this category ranked 18th in the league but didn't keep up with Austin's total.
Challenge status: Austin 4, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Against CBs who yield 7-9 YPA on average (yellow-rated CBs)
Austin put up 9.8 YPA here versus Johnson's 6.9. Another win for Austin.
Challenge status: Austin 5, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Against CBs who yield 9 or more YPA on average (green-rated CBs)
Johnson was very good at dominating overmatched cornerbacks, something shown by his 14.6 YPA. He wasn't as good as Austin and his 17.7 YPA, however.
Challenge status: Austin 6, Johnson 2, 1 tie

Against CBs in general
With wins in all three color-coded cornerback categories, it is obvious Austin won this part of the challenge as well (13.4 YPA versus Johnson's 9.9 mark), but just as was the case on short passes, it is worth noting that Austin ranked No. 1 in the league in this metric.

It also means he won the competition by a score of 7-2-1.

Here's the full breakdown, minus the category of "vertical" from above and organized by YPA.

The Texas battle

Here's a full breakdown of Andre Johnson versus Miles Austin in several key metric categories, as graded by YPA (yards per attempt). The colors associated with cornerbacks are explained within the article above and within the 2010 ESPN The Magazine fantasy football preview.
Name Short Routes Medium Routes Deep Routes Bomb Routes Overall Routes Vs. Red CBs Vs. Yellow CBs Vs. Green CBs Vs. CBs overall
Miles Austin 9.4 12.1 20.3 13.8 11.2 12.0 9.8 17.7 13.4
Andre Johnson 6.0 12.1 10.9 26.1 9.9 8.0 6.9 14.6 9.9

Some might say these categories don't tell the whole story, but Austin also beat Johnson in yards per reception (16.3 to 15.5), touchdown receptions (11 to 9) and success percentage (69.4 percent to 64.6 percent).

Simply put, as great as Johnson is, in 2009 he not only wasn't the best wide receiver in the NFL, but wasn't even the best wide receiver in Texas. That honor belonged to Austin.

KC Joyner, aka the Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider. He also can be found on Twitter @kcjoynertfs and at his website. He is also the author of "Blindsided: Why the Left Tackle is Overrated and Other Contrarian Football Thoughts.".

[ducks]

now he will suck
he got his big payday

[Steve Kerr]

ducks has spoken

[badfish22]

now he will suck
he got his big payday

FUCK!

I had high hopes for this season, but ducks (:worthy:) has spoken and sealed the cowboys fate.

[duckz]

contract for austin is a lot of money cowboys in trouble :lol
they still have ware's bird rights so at least he don't leave

[Dr. Gonzo]

:lmao duckz

[Eric Dampier]

tbh, ducks "heated" argument with DoK over Leinart has been the highlight of the NFL season thus far

[Steve Kerr]

Fortunately Ken Whisenhunt decided who won that argument last Saturday

[benefactor]

tbh, ducks "heated" argument with DoK over Leinart has been the highlight of the NFL season thus far
:tu

[MavDynasty]

lol duckz

[Booharv]

duckz has spoken

[MavDynasty]

duckz>ducks

[Spursfan092120]

90210 agrees with that statement.
got your wires crossed, dude...if you paid attention to my comments, you'd know that I believe the best WR in the league resides in Houston.

[Spursfan092120]

The funny part is there was a direct comparison with Andre Johnson and he said Austin blows Johnson out of the water.

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you are full of shit...the only time I ever compared the two was when I said this..



Miles Austin's first two starts - 421 yards, 4 TDs
Andre Johnson's first two starts - 147 yards, 0 TDs

And I only did that to pay a compliment to Miles, by comparing him to Andre...just stating a fact. I've said many times on this forum that I believe Andre Johnson is the best WR in the league.

[Spursfan092120]

tbh...I don't think he's earned a contract like that..he had one of the best 2 month stints in football as a WR...but that's all he's done...it's not worth that much. They only did that because they were worried if he blew up again this year, they'd have to pay a lot more next year.

[BUMP]

Other than Da Boys Da Best, idk any Cowboy fan that would take Austin over Johnson

[Spursfan092120]

Other than Da Boys Da Best, idk any Cowboy fan that would take Austin over Johnson
none...at least not any that are in their right minds.

[Steve Kerr]

Other than Da Boys Da Best, idk any Cowboy fan that would take Austin over Johnson
lakasrool4eva/every other beaner Lakers/Cowboys fan

[BUMP]

Although, I'd take him over any other receiver in the NFL:stirpot:

[BUMP]

lakasrool4eva

Oh yeah, forgot about him:lol

[Steve Kerr]

Although, I'd take him over any other receiver in the NFL:stirpot:
Oh well that's not nearly as dumb as the Cowboyfan who said New England would be lucky to get Tashard Choice in exchange for Moss.

[Spursfan092120]

Oh well that's not nearly as dumb as the Cowboyfan who said New England would be lucky to get Tashard Choice in exchange for Moss.
wtf said that?

[Spursfan092120]

lol..nevermind...found it..


No way in hell Jurry trades any of those 3 for Randy Moss. Patriots would be lucky to get Tashard Choice for him. The Cowboys don't need a receiver either, so I don't see any reason why they would trade for him.

Wow...that's ridiculous. Not sure if he's a Cowboys fan or not..but that's just wrong.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Mardigan is a Cowboys fan. A retarded one at that.

[Steve Kerr]

lol I remember now he posted that during Cowboyfan's playoff win ecstasy phase when they overvalued every player on their team even moreso than they do now because they won a playoff game.

[BUMP]

Actually I do remember saying something absolutely ridiculous back in 2006 when I just joined. :lol

I remember saying that the Cowboys were the favorites to win the Super Bowl (only a 5th seed) as soon as we got Tony Parrish (who could ball back then). And yet he contributed nothing more than a special teams player and the Cowboys lost in the Wild Card on Romo's botched snap. We got him in week 16 or something like that.

Yeah I've been here a while.

[Veterinarian]

you are full of shit...the only time I ever compared the two was when I said this..


I was talking about the ESPN guy faggot.

[Zelophehad]

Miles Austin is the second best receiver in the league. He's narrowly behind Dez Bryant. Johnson is a solid third, unless Roy Williams comes back focused this year.

[Spursfan092120]

I was talking about the ESPN guy faggot.
my bad, fucker...looked like you were talking about me, since you were responding to Gonzo's post.

[Steve Kerr]

Miles Austin is the second best receiver in the league. He's narrowly behind Dez Bryant. Johnson is a solid third, unless Roy Williams comes back focused this year.
This shtick isn't funny tbh.

[Spursfan092120]

This shtick isn't funny tbh.
nope...not even close

[monosylab1k]

This shtick isn't funny tbh.

another dallasbasketball.com failure imho

[Zelophehad]

This shtick isn't funny tbh.
You're probably right. Just a little over-excited about the upcoming season.

another dallasbasketball.com failure imho

:lmao I guess there's nothing I can say to stop you from believing that, but I've never posted there. Badfish just thought I reminded him of a guy from there.

[badfish22]

Miles Austin is the second best receiver in the league. He's narrowly behind Dez Bryant. Johnson is a solid third, unless Roy Williams comes back focused this year.

:tu

[badfish22]

This shtick isn't funny tbh.

its funnier when i do it.

amirite?

[Booharv]

"Miles Austin has surpassed Andre Johnson as the best receiver in the league"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=5398251

Apparently this statistician has never heard of the statistical term "sample size".


This shtick isn't funny tbh.

If I had to give my .02 I'd say it wasn't that bad. Probably would have been better under a troll name like Spurfan90210 or something imo.

[samikeyp]

Miles Austin is without a doubt the best WR in the league...











named Miles Austin. :)

[dirk4mvp]

WHat happened to the great Reggie Wayne tbh.

Great fucking in route in the superbowl to help seal their fate.:cry

It wasn't really Wayne's fault, he just slipped on a mcdonald's bag.

[Steve Kerr]

I know people will scoff this, but IMO Randy Moss is in his own tier below Andre Johnson and the rest are competing for #3 receiver in the NFL. Last year he tied for 1st in receiving TDs and the only guys not named Andre Johnson with more yards were Wes Welker, Miles Austin, and Sidney Rice. We all know Welker is the product of a system and Austin + Rice still need to prove consistency. Brady is still the MVP of the team, but last year Moss was the most important part of the offense.

Top 5 receivers IMO:

1. Andre Johnson
2. Randy Moss
3. Brandon Marshall
4. Larry Fitzgerald
5. Miles Austin

[Dave Mustaine]

>Austin
>better than Wayne

hahaohwow.jpg

[Dave Mustaine]

to be a top 5 receiver, you actually have to have opposing teams gameplan against you.

[Steve Kerr]

Good point tbh. Austin needs to have another good season before being a top 5 receiver.

[badfish22]

Miles Austin is without a doubt the best WR in the league...











named Miles Austin. :)

you forgot the :toast

:toast

[badfish22]

to be a top 5 receiver, you actually have to have opposing teams gameplan against you.

lol not thinking teams did.

[Dave Mustaine]

lol not thinking teams did.

They were spending their time game planning against the great Roy Williams

lmao Roy Williams getting more attention than Austin

[badfish22]

lmao thinking Roy Williams got any attention

[to21]

top 5 receivers imo:

1. Andre johnson
2. Larry fitzgerald
3. Randy moss
4. Brandon marshall
5. Miles austinimo

[Steve Kerr]

One can easily make the case for Roddy White over Reggie Wayne. Over the last 2 years White has better stats with a worse QB. You take Wayne off the Colts and replace him with White IMO White puts up better numbers than Wayne.


TBH though I think when healthy Calvin Johnson rounds out the top 5 with AJ, Moss, Marshall and Fitz.

[Dave Mustaine]

You take Wayne off the Colts and replace him with White IMO White puts up better numbers than Wayne.




:lmao wow son

He's not nearly as good of a route runner or has nearly good as good of hands as Wayne has. But as long as you're sticking to your nfl forum m.o. of scoffing the Colts

[badfish22]

TBH though I think when healthy Calvin Johnson rounds out the top 5 with AJ, Moss, Marshall and Fitz.
:lol
Are you sure about this now?

[IronMexican]

I'd take Austin over Wayne. Neither is as good as DHB, though.

[slick'81]

damn fucker got paid

[Steve Kerr]

:lol
Are you sure about this now?
Yes, I keep forgetting how good Calvin was in 2008 when he was healthy and had jack shit throwing to him.

[IronMexican]

:lol
Are you sure about this now?

Have you read the thread where DoK scoffages Austin before the KC game?

[Steve Kerr]

:lmao wow son

He's not nearly as good of a route runner or has nearly good as good of hands as Wayne has. But as long as you're sticking to your nfl forum m.o. of scoffing the Colts
Over the last 2 years, Roddy White has 2535 receiving yards and 18 touchdowns on a run first team. Reggie Wayne has 2409 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns on a pass first team with maybe the best QB of all time. You're retarded if you thinking saying White > Wayne is scoffing the Colts.

[badfish22]

Have you read the thread where DoK scoffages Austin before the KC game?

lol I wasn't referring to Austin, I was just laughing at him changing his opinion like 6 times in 10 minutes.

But no I dont think I saw that thread. Link please.

[Dave Mustaine]

lmao calling the best QB of all time when it fits your argument, and you call someone retarded :lmao

[Steve Kerr]

lmao calling the best QB of all time when it fits your argument, and you call someone retarded :lmao
I said maybe the best QB of all time, and I've never said differently of Manning. As long as I've been posting here I said Manning > Brady > any other QB in the NFL.

[IronMexican]

Too lazy to find, but it was titles "Is Miles Austin the greatest wide receiver ever" or something of that sorts. Wish the Raiders had him.

[badfish22]

lol Peyton Manning being the best QB of all time.

[Steve Kerr]

lmao calling the best QB of all time when it fits your argument, and you call someone retarded :lmao
Btw good job completely ignoring the part about how White has better stats than Wayne the last 2 years.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Too lazy to find, but it was titles "Is Miles Austin the greatest wide receiver ever" or something of that sorts. Wish the Raiders had him.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138249

[Blake]

I believe the best WR in the league resides in Houston.


MILES AUSTIN
PO BOX 38174
HOUSTON TX 77238-8174

http://www.hcad.org/records/details.asp?crypt=%94%9A%B0%94%BFg%84%93%7Fzog%8Em %90tXuZW%9E%99%A2%D3%89%95%C2e%7CU%8A%7C%86%C0%AB% A8%AD%86%5E&bld=1&tab=3

[badfish22]

Too lazy to find, but it was titles "Is Miles Austin the greatest wide receiver ever" or something of that sorts. Wish the Raiders had him.

Im pretty sure I made that thread after the KC game

[Dave Mustaine]

Btw good job completely ignoring the part about how White has better stats than Wayne the last 2 years.
:cry that means he automatically better :cry

I'll pull a DOK here and make a comment about how every NFL GM would take Wayne over White to prove my point.

[Blake]

Agreed with the top 4. But Reggie Wayne is better than Miles Austin.

1. Andre Johnson
2. Randy Moss
3. Brandon Marshall
4. Larry Fitzgerald
5. Reggie Wayne

Mike Sims-Walker might make the top 7-8 soon too.

Marshall is not #3...

lol dolphin fan

[IronMexican]

Im pretty sure I made that thread after the KC game

I remember a thread made by DoK, or maybe it was just DoK trollan. I remember a whole bunch of Cowboy fans were just wanting Austin to get a chance. I thought they were retarded before his breakout as well, though.

[Steve Kerr]

:cry that means he automatically better :cry

I'll pull a DOK here and make a comment about how every NFL GM would take Wayne over White to prove my point.
You get so butthurt when someone talks negatively about the Colts :lol

I never said it automatically means he's better, just like how I never said Manning is the best QB of all time. I said it's retarded to think I'm going out of my way to scoff the Colts by saying White > Wayne, which you have yet to disprove.

[dirk4mvp]

You get so butthurt when someone talks negatively about the Colts :lol


:lol you get asspained when the NE TE isn't referred to as the best preseason TE of all time, funny coming from you :lol


which you have yet to disprove.

I don't have to disprove anything, considering every NFL GM would take Wayne over White.

[badfish22]

Marshall is not #3...

lol dolphin fan

He might be #2.

1. Andre Johnson
2. Brandon Marshall
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Reggie Wayne
5. Miles Austin

top 5 tbqh

[Steve Kerr]

I never said that White was definitively better than Wayne, I said the argument could be made, meaning it's a very close call and can go either way.

[Steve Kerr]

:lol you get asspained when the NE TE isn't referred to as the best preseason TE of all time, funny coming from you
:lmao more strawman arguments.

[dirk4mvp]

Marshall is not #3...

lol dolphin fan

Jawlinedo might be way off base stroking Henne off as being a future HOF'er, but Marshall is top 3 broski.

[Steve Kerr]

I don't have to disprove anything, considering every NFL GM would take Wayne over White.
So you have no quantitative way of proving your point.

Thanks for playing.

[dirk4mvp]

:lmao more strawman arguments.

:lmao so you didn't?

[dirk4mvp]

So you have no quantitative way of proving your point.

Thanks for playing.

The fact that every GM would take Wayne over White is the only thing need be said.

[Steve Kerr]

:lmao so you didn't?
No, I never said anything about Gronk needing to be referred to as the greatest preseason TE of all time.

I also never said White is automatically better than Wayne, or that Peyton was the best QB of all time.

[Steve Kerr]

The fact that every GM would take Wayne over White is the only thing need be said.
When I use this argument with DAF about GMs taking Dirk over Manu, it actually makes sense.

[Steve Kerr]

So Dirk can the argument be made that White > Wayne, yes or no?

[dirk4mvp]

No, I never said anything about Gronk needing to be referred to as the greatest preseason TE of all time.


Why not go ahead and say it instead of beating around it? You stashed some posts to lol at after he had a really good preseason game to show the haters :cry

[dirk4mvp]

So Dirk can the argument be made that White > Wayne, yes or no?

White is a quality receiver, but he's not a top 5 receiver like Wayne, so no.

[BUMP]

I'd take Miles Austin over any receiver not named Andre Johnson any day. Reggie Wayne is overrated because he plays with Peyton Manning. Brandon Marshall is good but you never know when he'll slip on a burger king wrapper or something of the sort.

[Steve Kerr]

Why not go ahead and say it instead of beating around it? You stashed some posts to lol at after he had a really good preseason game to show the haters :cry
So I didn't say it right?

[Steve Kerr]

But I guess scoffing a post that says Gronk sucks is the same thing as saying he's the best preseason tight end of all time.

[dirk4mvp]

What's the point of dancing around it? You got really asspained about anyone questioning his greatness.

[Steve Kerr]

What's the point of dancing around it? You got really asspained about anyone questioning his greatness.
Yes, because there's no medium between saying he sucks and saying he's the best tight end ever. You either have to think one or the other.

[dirk4mvp]

But I guess scoffing a post that says Gronk sucks is the same thing as saying he's the best preseason tight end of all time.

You got equally asspained over both.

[Steve Kerr]

Congratulations, you successfully changed the subject after looking ridiculous for scoffing the notion that you could argue White > Wayne.

[Steve Kerr]

You got equally asspained over both.
Show me where I got asspained about someone not calling him the greatest preseason QB of all time.

[Steve Kerr]

It's also funny because it's not like I think Gronk is a future HoFer. I think he'll be better than a guy like Health Miller but not as good as a guy like Jason Witten. I'm not expecting future 1000 yard 10 touchdown seasons.

[dirk4mvp]

Show me where I got asspained about someone not calling him the greatest preseason QB of all time.

When did he change positions? :wow

[Steve Kerr]

lol typo smack

[dirk4mvp]

When most people argue they at least try to get the positions right.

[Steve Kerr]

When most people argue they actually stay on point and don't focus on typos when they knew what the other person meant.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Who's this Steve Kerr faggot?

[badfish22]

It's also funny because it's not like I think Gronk is a future HoFer. I think he'll be better than a guy like Health Miller but not as good as a guy like Jason Witten. I'm not expecting future 1000 yard 10 touchdown seasons.

lol so you dont think he will be as good as arguably the best TE in the league for the last few years.

ok you obviously dont overrate him

[Steve Kerr]

I'm saying at his peak I don't expect him to ever be as good as Witten. It's not overrating someone with his physical skills, college career, and early 2nd round draft spot to think he'll be a better version of heath miller.

[Steve Kerr]

And it is funny DezBryantfan is talking shit to someone about overrating rookies. At least Coltfan is talking about someone who has actually proven his ability in the NFL.

[badfish22]

And it is funny DezBryantfan is talking shit to someone about overrating rookies.

I dont overrate him. I dont think he will be as good as Andre Johnson.

[Mark Jackson]

And it is funny DezBryantfan is talking shit to someone about overrating rookies. At least Coltfan is talking about someone who has actually proven his ability in the NFL.

That's just a grown man move by DoK.

Not on my watch, badfish!

[Blake]

He might be #2.

1. Andre Johnson
2. Brandon Marshall
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Reggie Wayne
5. Miles Austin

top 5 tbqh

No way is Marshall better than Andre, Fitz, R Moss or Wayne.

[Steve Kerr]

It goes either way with Marshall and Fitz (a lot of it will depend on how productive Fitz is with a shit QB this year), but after the season Marshall had with Kyle Orton he can easily be considered a top 3 receiver.

[Blake]

lol do you even watch football?

lol apparently more than you


Marshall is better than Wayne and Fitz.

If we are going on sheer talent, from watching football, I'd tell you Calvin Johnson is even better than Marshall.

The stats don't show Marshall being a top 3 either over Fitz or Wayne.

Feel free to post your proof of such though.

[kamikazi_player]

I don't like this move at all, too early to give him this long term contract. I was hoping if he improved at the end of the season or even midway, he would getting this type of deal.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

It goes either way with Marshall and Fitz (a lot of it will depend on how productive Fitz is with a shit QB this year), but after the season Marshall had with Kyle Orton he can easily be considered a top 3 receiver.

IMO people really underrate Kyle Orton. Sure he's not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees but he's very serviceable. I watched the Broncos a couple times last year and he looked very accurate and minimizes mistakes.

Like I said, by no means is he an elite quarterback but he's not a huge liability either.

[kamikazi_player]

IMO people really underrate Kyle Orton. Sure he's not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees but he's very serviceable. I watched the Broncos a couple times last year and he looked very accurate and minimizes mistakes.

Like I said, by no means is he an elite quarterback but he's not a huge liability either.

Agreed, Kyle Orton is probably not going to be a pro-bowler in his career, but he's pretty good at managing the game. Reminds me of Brad Johnson in terms of not creating mistakes but knows his limits.

[Dave Mustaine]

tbh, if I had to take 1 receiver right now knowing that he wouldn't be slipping on any mcdonald's bags, I would probably take Marshall slightly over Andre Johnson. Not saying he's better.


>my face when

:smchode:

bPINVd9zBko

[Chucho]

Over the last 2 years, Roddy White has 2535 receiving yards and 18 touchdowns on a run first team. Reggie Wayne has 2409 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns on a pass first team with maybe the best QB of all time. You're retarded if you thinking saying White > Wayne is scoffing the Colts.

You're failing to mention that Wayne has to compete for catches with the best catching tight end in the NFL and last year had to compete with him and two other legit receiving threats which negates your run first argument. Roddy was really Atlanta's only receiving threat and you really cant count an over the hill Gonzalez.


Lol at the Boys fans that think Miles is a top 5 receiver. Just as previously mentioned, he won't be as effective because teams will plan for him. Minny planned for him in the PO's last season and who remembers all 34 yards he scorched them for? Top 5, even in opinion, is completely unfounded fanboyism.

[Dave Mustaine]

2 paragraphs crominant, tbh.

[Dr. Gonzo]

tbh, if I had to take 1 receiver right now knowing that he wouldn't be slipping on any mcdonald's bags, I would probably take Marshall slightly over Andre Johnson. Not saying he's better.


>my face when

:smchode:

bPINVd9zBko

:lmao
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3725055&postcount=294

[IronMexican]

:lmao And the broncos still didn't make the playoffs.

[Dave Mustaine]

:lmao
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3725055&postcount=294


Did Newman also let Marshall jizz all over his face too on what should've been an easy INT?

I know it probably hurts Texans fans for someone to take a player over their 1 standout player.

[Dave Mustaine]

:lmao And the broncos still didn't make the playoffs.

Marshall is better than every WR and TE on the Broncos put together.

[IronMexican]

Marshall is better than every WR and TE on the Broncos put together.

Royal is overrated hipster garbage brah.


Rememba when there was a serious discussion between him and Desean Jackson? lol omg.

[Dave Mustaine]

Rememba when there was a serious discussion between him and Desean Jackson? lol omg.

lol no, was it on ST?

[IronMexican]

lol no, was it on ST?

I guess I'm just talking about in general. I saw it a lot on this other football forum I post on.

[Blake]

Uh what Marshall has done with Kyle Orton and Jay Cutler while seeing shell coverage and double teams consistently while Fitz had Kurt Warner and shell/double coverage not all of the time with Boldin on the opposite side. Who was Marshall's counterpart while still producing 100 catch seasons? Eddie Royal?


In Week 15 of last season, Fitzgerald became the youngest player in NFL history -- at 26 years, 111 days -- to reach 7,000 receiving yards. Since 2005, he has more receptions (465) and receiving yards (6,287) than anyone else in the league. In the playoffs two years ago, he shattered most receiving records.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a5d622/article/fitzgerald-good-to-go-for-cards-after-being-cautious-with-knee

Who was Wayne's counterpart last year?

How long before Pennington takes over for Henne?

[Blake]

The great fucking Peyton manning and Dallas Clark mate

Dallas Clark is not a wide receiver.

Fail.

With every post you are getting much closer to 90210 homer levels

[Spursfan092120]

Dallas Clark is not a wide receiver.

Fail.

With every post you are getting much closer to 90210 homer levels
lol you insulting anybody...just like Texas Tech you need to know your role and sink back down a bit.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Did Newman also let Marshall jizz all over his face too on what should've been an easy INT?

I know it probably hurts Texans fans for someone to take a player over their 1 standout player.

That post was made to make fun of the retard that said the Cowboys allowed it.

And the opinion of someone's desire to take Marshall over Johnson in their fictional team does not matter to me.

[Blake]

LOL this guy.

Dallas Clark takes shell coverage on his side too. How does him lining up in the traditional TE or Y make a difference for Wayne's counterpart? Half the time he lines up in the Y spot and they safety cant shadow Wayne because Clark is such a mismatch on LBs. If anything, the safety has to watch Clark more due to the insane amount of mismatches he creates for the defense and LBs that have to cover him because of his swole route running and deceiving speed. Clark runs better routes than 80% of the wideouts in the NFL anyways.

Your posts pertaining to football keep getting crominated on daily when you try to make some intelligent remark.

thanks for confirming that Clark does not always line up opposite of Wayne and that you are talking out of your ass. :tu

Feel free to drop some stats. Any time would be good.

LOL Henne

[Blake]

lol you insulting anybody...just like Texas Tech you need to know your role and sink back down a bit.

:lol

Everyone knows your role except you apparently.

Why do you continue to deny what you are, homer?

[Spursfan092120]

:lol

Everyone knows your role except you apparently.

Why do you continue to deny what you are, homer?
lol...you're always good for a chuckle. Apparently you haven't paid any attention to what I say...but it's all good...you are the epitome of selective hearing..I've come to expect it from you...never heard anything knowledgeable come out of your mouth when it comes to the NFL anyway..so it is what it is. Perfect example..saying Clark isn't a partner with Wayne because he's not a receiver...hilarious...

[Blake]

lol...you're always good for a chuckle. Apparently you haven't paid any attention to what I say...but it's all good...you are the epitome of selective hearing..I've come to expect it from you...never heard anything knowledgeable come out of your mouth when it comes to the NFL anyway..so it is what it is. Perfect example..saying Clark isn't a partner with Wayne because he's not a receiver...hilarious...


So let me get this straight. Saying that the winningest QB in NCAA history, with the best accuracy in NCAA history could have a successful NFL career is nuthugging? Sounds like when you said we were nuthugging when we said Vince was playing well at 4-0. It's sad that you hate UT so much that you're blinded.

[Spursfan092120]

you're not helping your point, idiot. Is he not the winningest QB in NCAA history? did he not have the best accuracy in NCAA history? Was Vince not playing well? The only thing you did there was show that you have a hatred for any UT player. I guess because I'm a Longhorns fan, me saying that Vince was playing pretty well makes me a homer.

[Blake]

Wow, you really do not know anything about football.

Just wow.

Sure I do.

I absolutely know a football homer when I see it and I know when someone has nothing to back up their claim with.

Stats of Marshall please or you are continuing to just talk out of your aqua and white ass.

[Blake]

you're not helping your point, idiot. Is he not the winningest QB in NCAA history? did he not have the best accuracy in NCAA history? Was Vince not playing well? The only thing you did there was show that you have a hatred for any UT player. I guess because I'm a Longhorns fan, me saying that Vince was playing pretty well makes me a homer.


How can you say Tommie Frazier had a better college career than Colt McCoy has? In what insane way can you back that up?

[Blake]

lol you just said Dallas Clark doesn't take coverage over to his side and doesn't line up opposite to Wayne because he lines up in the Y slot or TE position.

How did you get all that from me saying "Dallas Clark is not a wide receiver"

lol lol you don't know much about reading comphrension lol lol


How does that prevent Clark from forcing the defense to play with a robber to shadow Clark?

You already admitted he doesn't always play across from Wayne.

Fail.


Marshall:

2007- 102 Rec

2008 - 104 Rec

2009 - 101 Rec

Wayne:

2 100 catch seasons in 8 years.

Marshall 3 in 4 years.

3 year averages:

Wayne: 95 receptions 1306 yards 13.7 per catch 9 TDs

Marshall: 102 receptions 1237 yards 12.1 per catch 8 TDs

Of course, if your claim is that it's because he's had guys like Orton and Cutler throwing him the ball, then he should have no problems putting up better numbers than Wayne with a guy like Chad Henne, right?

[Spursfan092120]

Don't get upset..Blake thinks that anybody that doesn't agree with him, or anybody who thinks a player on their team is good (as long as that player isn't on his favorite team), they're a homer..it's pretty simple.

[Spursfan092120]

Blake just stop posting. You are possibly the only person on this site who would take Wayne over Marshall.

And on top of that. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS PLAYING OPPOSITE OF WAYNE? IT DOESNT MEAN SAME SIDE OR OPPOSITE SIDE.

Holy shit you need to learn some football.
co-signed

[Blake]

Don't get upset..Blake thinks that anybody that doesn't agree with him, or anybody who thinks a player on their team is good (as long as that player isn't on his favorite team), they're a homer..it's pretty simple.

no, not anybody.

on the NFL board, just you and renaldo.

[Spursfan092120]

no, not anybody.

on the NFL board, just you and renaldo.
Blake...you call everyone a homer...sad, but true.

[Blake]

Blake just stop posting. You are possibly the only person on this site who would take Wayne over Marshall.

And on top of that. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS PLAYING OPPOSITE OF WAYNE? IT DOESNT MEAN SAME SIDE OR OPPOSITE SIDE.

Holy shit you need to learn some football.

which is butthurt for: "I've got nothing"

You failed.

Wayne > Marshall

[Blake]

Blake...you call everyone a homer...sad, but true.

Now you're a homer and liar.

Sad and true.

[Blake]

co-signed

now you are nuthugging Renaldo?

sad.

[Dave Mustaine]

Wayne:

2 100 catch seasons in 8 years.

Marshall 3 in 4 years.

Woah nigga, Marshall >> Wayne, but let us not forget how many seasons Reginald had to play with that nigga Marvelous Marvin.

[ducks]

told you he sucks
did not get open on the last drive except once the guy that forgot about him

[kamikazi_player]

:lol what a moron

[Steve Kerr]

lol ducks is still pissed off that Derek "dick breath" Anderson proved the hataz wrong today by finding a way to get a win the hard way. He's awed at the veteran savvy and leadership THAT nigga DA showed today.

[ducks]

da got one td not impressed
the other touchdown they got
they ran all the plays on that drive
5 plays 76 yards

da missed larry to many times
hall is way better then da

[kamikazi_player]

you are a moron
you are also an idiot
stupid sentences like this
piss me off

[Steve Kerr]

Cardinals are undefeated with Derek "da boss" Anderson at QB. They are on pace to be the first 19-0 team in NFL history with DA as starter. Only a hater discounts the greatness that is Derek Anderson.

[ducks]

you are stupid
you do not
know how to
put
me on
your
ignore
list

[kamikazi_player]

LOL ignore list
who do you think I am
Namlook?

[ducks]

Cardinals are undefeated with Derek "da boss" Anderson at QB. They are on pace to be the first 19-0 team in NFL history with DA as starter. Only a hater discounts the greatness that is Derek Anderson.
only a da homer would think they about going 19-0 after beating a team that got a number one draft pick in the draft

[Steve Kerr]

da got one td not impressed
the other touchdown they got
they ran all the plays on that drive
5 plays 76 yards

da missed larry to many times
hall is way better then da
Derek "Da G.O.A.T." Anderson was just as impressive today as Leinart was against Tennessee last year, so why were you all over Leinart's nuts for that game but you're acting like Derek "district attorney" Anderson played like shit today?

[Steve Kerr]

only a da homer would think they about going 19-0 after beating a team that got a number one draft pick in the draft
I am not a homer, I am just appreciating and acknowledge the legacy of Derek Anderson we witnessed the start of today. Derek "dimin" Anderson will lead the Cardinals to 7 straight superbowls.

[IronMexican]

Miles Austin is probably a top 5 WR. Haters can hate. He's no DHB. And Witten is no Zach Miller.

[ducks]

I watched all the cards game today since the chargers will not playing
da played like crap. they played anyone other then the team that got the number one draft pick in the draft they get blown out.

wilson saved da with his outstanding d
az gets no turnovers today they lose today

[Lee Corso]

Miles Austin is probably a top 5 WR. Haters can hate. He's no DHB. And Witten is no Zach Miller.

HA! Good one sweetheart!

[ducks]

austin is the number 2 wide receiver in the nfl
only behind larry
but if larry had a quarterback today he would have had more yards and catches then austin today

[Steve Kerr]

I watched all the cards game today since the chargers will not playing
da played like crap. they played anyone other then the team that got the number one draft pick in the draft they get blown out.

wilson saved da with his outstanding d
az gets no turnovers today they lose today
Derek "Da winna" Anderson did what was needed to add the ol' W to the win column like the savvy veteran leader he is.

[Dave Mustaine]

He's a tough nigga to bring down. And if Romo didn't throw such a half assed pass on the last drive, he walks into the end zone.

[Lee Corso]

Ouch! ducks is gonna have to turn around and face the ollllllllllllllllle ball coach after det one!

[ducks]

da might look ok against atlanta
he is lucky cards are facing easy teams to start the season

[Steve Kerr]

every team is an easy team for Derek "Da Magical Aryan" Anderson. He just does what it takes to win games. He's a winner. He wins. When the other team scores X amount of points, he scores "X + 1" amount of points, because that's just what winners do. They win.

[kamikazi_player]

LMAO Leinart
Greatest quarterback to ever get cut by a team.

[IronMexican]

He's a tough nigga to bring down. And if Romo didn't throw such a half assed pass on the last drive, he walks into the end zone.

I never see him fall on first contact.


Imagine if he had Peyton throwing to him? Game over. Or better yet, Brees? GG NFL.

[ducks]

lets see what da does against some good d teams before we crown him better then brady ok

[Steve Kerr]

LMAO Leinart
Greatest quarterback to ever get cut by a team.
tbh Leinart sucked but it was unfortunate he had to compete with the greatness that is Derek Anderson. District Attorney's backup is an undrafted mormon rookie because he's the only QB in the NFL willing to backup DA knowing it means he'll never see the field behind such a world renowned up and coming legend.

[Dave Mustaine]

I never see him fall on first contact.


Imagine if he had Peyton throwing to him? Game over. Or better yet, Brees? GG NFL.

Do you know how many times you've got me or JT with the Brees > Peyton schtick?

Altho I'd rather have Dez Bryant over Smiles Austin cuz of dem hands.

[IronMexican]

Just fun to say, brah. Just like you always rip on me for DHB, even though I clown him. You even brought up DMC a couple times, and it's tell documented how Ironexican feels about him.

And Dez is gonna be that nigga in 2-3 years. He just nees to spend less time with Roy Williams.

How do the Jets get Santonio Holmes for a 3rd rounder, but the fucking Cowboys give up a 3rd and 1st for that trash?lolz.

[Dave Mustaine]

Just fun to say, brah. Just like you always rip on me for DHB, even though I clown him. You even brought up DMC a couple times, and it's tell documented how Ironexican feels about him.

And Dez is gonna be that nigga in 2-3 years. He just nees to spend less time with Roy Williams.

How do the Jets get Santonio Holmes for a 3rd rounder, but the fucking Cowboys give up a 3rd and 1st for that trash?lolz.

How can you hate on D-Mac, the face of the franchise?

[IronMexican]

He played pretty good today, brah. Best game since the Chiefs back in week 2 of 2008. I can't hate on him today:tu

[badfish22]

He's a tough nigga to bring down. And if Romo didn't throw such a half assed pass on the last drive, he walks into the end zone.

Dave, with the goods.

[Blake]

LOL Blake with least amount of football knowledge on this forum.


What flaws does Henne have tbh.

Henne will be among the elites soon, faggots!


I can even make a thread on the NFL forum asking who would they prefer between Marshall and Wayne, and you will get crominated in that as well.

Na. Knock yourself out, homey.

lol Marhall 8 for 53 against the Bills.

[ducks]

atleast 9 drops this season

they showed a state he had 8 then he dropped one tonight

told you people he would suck after he signed the contract