Let's not forget 9/11

[milkshakeballa]

Let us never forget.

[DeadlyDynasty]

i was in a Literature and film class at Miami-Dade College

[BadOdor]

I wish you were in the towers on that day.

[Darrin]

It is difficult to forget anything about that day. The smells, images, hurt, anger, fear, empathy, tears, and realizing the historic moment. Ashleigh Banfield was running through the streets of New York and there's car alarms and no one and there's cursing, and she stumbles on this firefighter and she tries to interview him. The man is at a loss he doesn't know what to say he starts about 3 sentences before he burst into tears. I joined him. Before it was like something out of an action movie. When I saw that, when I heard what he saw and how terrified he was, I just couldn't take it. That's the moment that sticks with me.

[BadOdor]

It is difficult to forget anything about that day. The smells, images, hurt, anger, fear, empathy, tears, and realizing the historic moment. Ashleigh Banfield was running through the streets of New York and there's car alarms and no one and there's cursing, and she stumbles on this firefighter and she tries to interview him. The man is at a loss he doesn't know what to say he starts about 3 sentences before he burst into tears. I joined him. Before it was like something out of an action movie. When I saw that, when I heard what he saw and how terrified he was, I just couldn't take it. That's the moment that sticks with me.

[PGDynasty24]

Amen. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. So what kills a lot of us makes us much much stronger. USA baby

[Halberto]

9 years since it's happened... near half my life. Still, one of the most unforgettable days ever. I didn't pledge to the flag that day, and I'll never forgive myself for it.

We really do take what we have for granted.

[sefant77]

Amen. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. So what kills a lot of us makes us much much stronger.

and you wonder why there are thousands of people willing to blow americans up...i guess they think exactly like that.

9/11 was the result of decades of american foreign "politics", nothing more.

[PGDynasty24]

and you wonder why there are thousands of people willing to blow americans up...i guess they think exactly like that.

9/11 was the result of decades of american foreign "politics", nothing more.

so are you insinuating that we did this to ourselves...

[Darrin]

God, can we leave the analysis for September 12th? This is about the people who died, where you were on one of the most important dates in our history, and being one nation in unity against our enemies. I have strong opinions in an analysis of what came after September 11th, but I don't share them on this day. Please refrain from making this a political debate.

[sefant77]

I said it was just a question of time until something like that would happen.

[Darrin]

I said it was just a question of time until something like that would happen.

And so did anaylst after analyst. This is why John McCain tried to increase funding in the late 1990s for anti-terrorism programs (something pushed by Bill Clinton). It's something the Bush Administration took lightly and it cost us the surplus, American lives, diminished our reputation abroad--I could go on and on. But this is about the attack, not the reason behind it.

[BlackSwordsMan]

I was in HS and all the ROTC kids were crying thinking they were gonna go to war.

[PGDynasty24]

I was in HS and all the ROTC kids were crying thinking they were gonna go to war.

I was in 6th grade and didn't really understand the TRUE magnitude of it at the time,I knew it was bad but just didn't realize how bad

[Purch]

I said it was just a question of time until something like that would happen.

So that justifies it?

Anyhow

R.I.P to everyone who died that day. People need to never forget.

[PGDynasty24]

I thought it was more the result of Islamic Extremists who were so delusional that they thought were doing the world a favor or doing the RIGHT thing. Crazy fucks

[sefant77]

God, can we leave the analysis for September 12th? This is about the people who died, where you were on one of the most important dates in our history, and being one nation in unity against our enemies.

I thought such a day should be more about self reflection, why this happened, what "my country" did wrong in the past to force such a result instead of just throwing the good-evil/black-white "Victim/enemy/" punchline.

9/11 wasnt black/white, it was grey...

Thats the important message about this day. Not united against the "enemy" etc.

[diego]

God, can we leave the analysis for September 12th? This is about the people who died, where you were on one of the most important dates in our history, and being one nation in unity against our enemies. I have strong opinions in an analysis of what came after September 11th, but I don't share them on this day. Please refrain from making this a political debate.

ok, I'll wait till tomorrow. But if the idea is not to forget, then don't forget 9/11/1973. there was also terrorism and death that day, and the US was involved.

[Xevious]

I can't believe it's been nine years already...

[redzero]

http://thesaloon.net/BushDarkKnight.jpg

[Darrin]

I thought such a day should be more about self reflection, why this happened, what "my country" did wrong in the past to force such a result instead of just throwing the good-evil/black-white "Victim/enemy/" punchline.

9/11 wasnt black/white, it was grey...

Thats the important message about this day. Not united against the "enemy" etc.

I consider the 19 hijackers my enemies for killing people. It was plotted, calculated, and they did it just because they were Americans. That's all I meant. And, yes, stand against Al Qaeda today and tomorrow and every day until they are eliminated. Examine what we could've done better so it doesn't happen again, but we cannot change what we did. If it contributed to it, again, the only reason is to avoid the situation in the future, not to hand-wring or feel guilty.

For instance, let's say someone sleeps with your wife and you kill the guy in her bed and tell her that it's all her fault that she cheated. It doesn't mean he wasn't wrong. Remember your kindergarten: "Two wrongs don't make a right."

[redzero]

:stirpot:

[Steve Kerr]

It is difficult to forget anything about that day. The smells, images, hurt, anger, fear, empathy, tears, and realizing the historic moment. Ashleigh Banfield was running through the streets of New York and there's car alarms and no one and there's cursing, and she stumbles on this firefighter and she tries to interview him. The man is at a loss he doesn't know what to say he starts about 3 sentences before he burst into tears. I joined him. Before it was like something out of an action movie. When I saw that, when I heard what he saw and how terrified he was, I just couldn't take it. That's the moment that sticks with me.

[Giuseppe]

Test time!

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a.. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and
40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were
kidnapped and massacred by :
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of
80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were
kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was
blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c.. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked
and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and
thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and
a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was
murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the
first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild
Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling
Federation
d. Muslim male
extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two
were used as missiles to take out the World Trade
Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into
the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and
crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were
killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E.
Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of
Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in
Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and
murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify
profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone,
particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport
security screeners will no longer be allowed to
profile certain people. They must conduct random
searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline
pilots with proper identification, secret agents who
are members of the President's security detail,
85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of
Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest
they be guilty of profiling.

ADDENDUM: Fort Hood Texas. Another Muslim 39 years
old killed 13 people and wounded 30 some odd
others...
Does this fit the profile ?

NOW OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF (Hussein Obama) IS TELLING EVERYONE
THE YOUNG PEACE LOVING MUSLIM THAT ATTEMPTED TO BLOW
UP A NORTHWEST/DELTA JET AS IT APPROACHED DETROIT ON
CHRISTMAS DAY WAS (QUOTE) "AN ISOLATED INCIDENT".

Just checkin' assholes.

[TheManFromAcme]

I thought such a day should be more about self reflection, why this happened, what "my country" did wrong in the past to force such a result instead of just throwing the good-evil/black-white "Victim/enemy/" punchline.

9/11 wasnt black/white, it was grey...

Thats the important message about this day. Not united against the "enemy" etc.


You moronic appeaser. Do you have any idea how pathetic your comments sound?

Idiot.

[TheManFromAcme]

Test time!

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a.. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and
40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were
kidnapped and massacred by :
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of
80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were
kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was
blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c.. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked
and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and
thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and
a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was
murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the
first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild
Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling
Federation
d. Muslim male
extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two
were used as missiles to take out the World Trade
Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into
the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and
crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were
killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E.
Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of
Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in
Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of
17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and
murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists
mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify
profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone,
particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport
security screeners will no longer be allowed to
profile certain people. They must conduct random
searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline
pilots with proper identification, secret agents who
are members of the President's security detail,
85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of
Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest
they be guilty of profiling.

ADDENDUM: Fort Hood Texas. Another Muslim 39 years
old killed 13 people and wounded 30 some odd
others...
Does this fit the profile ?

NOW OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF (Hussein Obama) IS TELLING EVERYONE
THE YOUNG PEACE LOVING MUSLIM THAT ATTEMPTED TO BLOW
UP A NORTHWEST/DELTA JET AS IT APPROACHED DETROIT ON
CHRISTMAS DAY WAS (QUOTE) "AN ISOLATED INCIDENT".

Just checkin' assholes.

Cully,
Send this quiz to sefant77 and make sure this moron has no cheat sheets.

[Steve Kerr]

I could make a quiz like that about stuff Christian extremists have done. Funny that Cully doesn't include stuff like KKK lynchings and the OKC bombing.

[redzero]

If Christian extremists actually did some of the stuff that the Bible wanted them to do, they would be right up there with Muslim extremists.

Too bad they are too pussy to do them.

[Steve Kerr]

If Christian extremists actually did some of the stuff that the Bible wanted them to do, they would be right up there with Muslim extremists.

Too bad they are too pussy to do them.
The Koran doesn't advocate blowing up buildings, Muslim extremists twist religion around the same way people like Timothy McVeigh do.

[Venti Quattro]

RIP to those who have lost their lives in this attack on the Twin Towers.

[Steve Kerr]

Also....

RIP to the soldiers who have died in Iraq, a war that has accomplished absolutely nothing and has in fact empowered Muslim extremists more so than before.

[Giuseppe]

Timothy McVeigh

It was in-house, between us, real greaseball shit & McVeigh squared it. We can all be friends again.

[redzero]

The Koran doesn't advocate blowing up buildings, Muslim extremists twist religion around the same way people like Timothy McVeigh do.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

The Qu'ran still has some nasty shit in it.

[Giuseppe]

Funny that Cully doesn't include stuff like KKK lynchings and the OKC bombing.

I do OKC.

It's my religion.

[Steve Kerr]

1. In 1978, who engineered a mass suicide in which 900 people were brainwashed into drinking poisonous kool aid?
a) A muslim extremist
b) A Christian extremist

2. For decades during the 20th century, what organization lynched and tortured thousands of African Americans for doing nothing other than being black?
a) a Muslim extremist organization
b) a Christian extremist organization

3. In 1995, who detonated a car bomb in front of an OKC courthouse killing 168 people?
a) a Muslim extremist
b) a Christian extremist

4. For over a century, which country led a mass genocide against the native people of the Americas and justified it with "manifest destiny"
a) a predominantly Muslim country
b) a predominantly Christian country

[Steve Kerr]

Btw my point is organized religion is a cancerous presence in society regardless. Organized Christianity is just as bad as organized Islam.

[Giuseppe]

3. In 1995, who detonated a car bomb in front of an OKC courthouse killing 168 people?
a) a Muslim extremist
b) a Christian extremist

They fled from him after massacring at Waco. McVeigh ran 'em to ground at OKC and convened a class in Empathy 101.

He squared it with the house.

[Giuseppe]

Btw my point is organized religion is a cancerous presence in society regardless. Organized Christianity is just as bad as organized Islam.

Horseshit.

[Steve Kerr]

They fled from him after massacring at Waco. McVeigh ran 'em to ground at OKC and convened a class in Empathy 101.

He squared it with the house.
So you are saying Timothy McVeigh was justified in bombing an OKC courthouse?

[redzero]

I wouldn't call Jim Jones a Christian extremist. He was crazy and I think he thought of himself as a god. He stepped on the Bible once during one of his sermons and he identified himself as an atheist.

[Giuseppe]

So you are saying Timothy McVeigh was justified in bombing an OKC courthouse?

Gee, Kerr asking me a question. You're new so I'll give ya the rules I abide:::

Rule Number One: I'll choose the time, place and inquisitor when I decide to take an exam.

Rule Number Two: Obey all rules.

[redzero]

Culburn, Steve Kerr is... do you seriously not know who this poster is?

[Giuseppe]

Some kind of Thunder fan.

[Koolaid_Man]

Let us never forget.

First may those who perished on 9-11 rest in peace and peace be unto their families left behind.

First off I’m not a Terrorist sympathizer if you’re gonna carry that torch then be a fucking man when the US military comes for you don’t hide behind your women and children.



I do believe the US started terrorism. While I have less than mainstream views I do believe one should reflect also on why 9-11 happened. For decades the US Govt not only turned a blind eye but in some parts openly sanctioned state sponsored terrorist in the form of the KKK, even today they allow these groups and Militia groups to exists under their “constitutional” right.



When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor - our military base in Hawaii how did ‘we’ respond…well we practically nuked a whole fucking city, killing innocent women and children. If the US wanted to play fair they should have struck the Japanese military (like they struck ours) not kill all those innocent people.



The US does shit all over the world via the CIA, or groups like Blackwater in covert ops and expect people to just sit and take it. Bush peddled this idea of a Bin-Laden / Saddam connection. Now the average American has no fucking clue that Osama hated Saddam with a passion. In fact he wanted to kill Saddam for the Kuwait invasion. Osama thought Saddam was god-less and a phony ( which he was) so this whole notion that their was an Al-Queda – Iraqi connection was false on it’s face and anyone with any geo-political knowledge of middle eastern affairs knew this. ( with the exception of the avg American). This is the very reason Osama is still at large. You can’t pay the hardcore religious fanatics enough money to give him up…whereas you could pay or offer millions for the Saddam capture.
Then the US peddled this WMD bullshit. Yeah he had them but go ask Donald Rumsfeld how he got them. Research this shit you don’t have to take my word for it. Donald Rumsfeld / the US govnt gave Saddam his arsenal of WMD’s and the helicopters to use them during the Iraq-Iran war, and in fact Saddam did use them on his own people.



But the Iraqi war was about one thing only. ( ok maybe two when you factor oil) Back when Geroge Bush Sr was president, Saddam threatened to kill him and Bush Jr. was so hurt and distraught by it that he vowed revenge when he got the opportunity and he sacrificed all those US soldiers to get his revenge against the man that threatened his daddy.



But back to 911…even though people are put off by his message , if you really listen to Jeremiah Wright a lot of what he says is no lie. The US goven’t has done all types of shit and covered it up. The cure for polio and other diseases was found back in the 50’s or 60’s, genome mapping was discovered all with the cells of black woman and the goven’t covered it up because people wouldn’t have accepted the cure had they known it came from a black woman named Henrietta Lacks.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Henrietta-Lacks-Immortal-Cells.html

Or you ever heard of the Tuskegee Experiment where the US govn’t injected black men with STD’s and told them it was medicine to see the effects on their lives. They let them live with this shit their whole lives spreading it throughout the community, all the while telling them it was medicine they were receiving . Some people spin the story as they already had it but the real truth was the govn’t administered it.


http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html#axzz0zEwCgQ00

(http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html#axzz0zEwCgQ00)
or this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment



Middle Eastern revenge culture goes back 2000 yrs or more. They always retaliate on something that happened decades if not hundreds of yrs ago. This ideal is something foreign to the US because it’s existence doesn’t go back that far. That’s why this is a never end cycle. The US has injected itself into a culture it really knows little about but about to find out the hard way.



Lastly as far as the terrorists go the US is responsible for Al-Qaeda’s existence. Go back to the Russians invading Afghanistan. The US gave the Muhajadeen warriors ( Osama Bin Landen’s group) the weapons and support they needed to fight the Russians in Afghanistan for over 20 yrs. This terrorist groups served the US purpose against the Russians. However, the US didn’t realize they would turn on the US for it’s aggressions in the Middle East. This is the rise of Osama Bin Laden. Do your research before you start believing the Republican hype machine.



The Rambo movies by Sly Stallone was based off an American War Hero fighting alongside the Muhajadeen ( or Bin-Laden’s) terrorists group., there’s a lot many of you aren’t aware of. Research this shit it’s well known facts.



So the Tea Party fanactics can rant on like the idiots they are but I know these people are severly lacking in knowledge just puppets on a lonely string…and it’s beyond sad…


RIP 9-11 victims....

[Giuseppe]

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor - our military base in Hawaii how did ‘we’ respond…well we practically nuked a whole fucking city, killing innocent women and children. If the US wanted to play fair they should have struck the Japanese military (like they struck ours) not kill all those innocent people.

We was just checkin' assholes, Kool, makin' sure, extra sure there'd never be another Sunday mornin' wakeup call.

We're even/steven with them now.

We can all be friends once again.

[Udokafan05]

The best documentray i've seen on 9/11 comes on tomorrow at 10 a.m on National Geographic tomorrow. Its called Inside 9/11 : Zero Hour

[redzero]

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor - our military base in Hawaii how did ‘we’ respond…well we practically nuked a whole fucking city, killing innocent women and children. If the US wanted to play fair they should have struck the Japanese military (like they struck ours) not kill all those innocent people.

I think you have the order of events mixed up.

[Darrin]

3. In 1995, who detonated a car bomb in front of an OKC courthouse killing 168 people?
a) a Muslim extremist
b) a Christian extremist

1. My understanding that it was an FBI building. How many courthouses have daycare centers?

2. I understand the point you are trying to make, and I applaud you for trying to make it, I agree, however, Timothy McVeigh wasn't a radical Christian. He was radical and he was Christian, there's a difference. The motivation was anti-government sentiment. He joined the Michigan Militia, was outspoken against our government, and was trained in military tactics from his time in the service. He was not bringing about the second coming of Christ (focus more on this crap. People want us to enter World War III just to see Christ return). He did feel justified in what he did, but he didn't, as far as I know, think he was on a mission from a deity. He was there to teach the FBI a lesson in the carnage they caused at WACO and to strike back at what he thought was a growing, opressive, military regime.

[TinTin]

4. For over a century, which country led a mass genocide against the native people of the Americas and justified it with "manifest destiny"
a) a predominantly Muslim country
b) a predominantly Christian country

The sad part is it wasn't their country to begin with

[Giuseppe]

He was there to teach the FBI a lesson in the carnage they caused at WACO and to strike back at what he thought was a growing, opressive, military regime.

And to avenge Vicki Weaver getting shot in the back.

[Sisk]

This forum is ridiculous.

[milkshakeballa]

This forum is ridiculous.


This.

I was going to respond but why?

[midnightpulp]

Let's forget 9/11

Commie.

[BlairForceDejuan]

LOL @ sefant being a typical pseudo-intellectual on foreign affairs in relation to the evil empire of America.

Politics occurs around everyone 24/7 for the entirety of all our lives. 99% don't blow shit up and kill people because of this reality.

Individuals made their own choices.

[Venti Quattro]

Commie.

more like paki. lol

[sefant77]

Cully,
Send this quiz to sefant77 and make sure this moron has no cheat sheets.

Its sad because it looks like your intellectual horizon ends with Fox News.

The "muslim terrorist" as cause for all evil, nice if it would be so simple. And still so many americans fell for this and allowed that clown George W. 4 more years. Like i said, its not black and white, its grey and like i said it was just a question of time since their foreign politics will come back and hunt them in their own country.

And for a good reason. Muslim terrorists killed thousands of innocent people. I prefer not to imagine the number of innocent people killed by the actions of the american government. And yes, a human life count as a human life, not if he was american or iraqi etc.

To understand how a lot of other people feel you should watch this (and the other four parts). Then you should understand why it was just a question of time and why the "muslim terrorist" even had a good reason...

n4H_E8b-qmo

[TheManFromAcme]

[.

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor - our military base in Hawaii how did ‘we’ respond…well we practically nuked a whole fucking city, killing innocent women and children. If the US wanted to play fair they should have struck the Japanese military (like they struck ours) not kill all those innocent people.




It was estimated that over a million allied and American lives would have been lost taking the islands. It's a numbers game KM.

The Japs knew it was futile as did Hirohito to battle against the Russians and Americans and were forwarned. If anything you can blame the emperor for allowing his people to become tempura.

Dropping the bombs was a last resort.

[TheManFromAcme]

Its sad because it looks like your intellectual horizon ends with Fox News.

The "muslim terrorist" as cause for all evil, nice if it would be so simple. And still so many americans fell for this and allowed that clown George W. 4 more years. Like i said, its not black and white, its grey and like i said it was just a question of time since their foreign politics will come back and hunt them in their own country.

And for a good reason. Muslim terrorists killed thousands of innocent people. I prefer not to imagine the number of innocent people killed by the actions of the american government. And yes, a human life count as a human life, not if he was american or iraqi etc.

To understand how a lot of other people feel you should watch this (and the other four parts). Then you should understand why it was just a question of time and why the "muslim terrorist" even had a good reason...

n4H_E8b-qmo

...with us or against us?


Lets just say I am not a fan of Islam okay. It's not grey for me.
Salivate on your peace crap all you want. I want Islam destroyed.

Now, if you'll excuse me.

[milkshakeballa]

Its sad because it looks like your intellectual horizon ends with Fox News.

The "muslim terrorist" as cause for all evil, nice if it would be so simple. And still so many americans fell for this and allowed that clown George W. 4 more years. Like i said, its not black and white, its grey and like i said it was just a question of time since their foreign politics will come back and hunt them in their own country.

And for a good reason. Muslim terrorists killed thousands of innocent people. I prefer not to imagine the number of innocent people killed by the actions of the american government. And yes, a human life count as a human life, not if he was american or iraqi etc.

To understand how a lot of other people feel you should watch this (and the other four parts). Then you should understand why it was just a question of time and why the "muslim terrorist" even had a good reason...

n4H_E8b-qmo


You make my blood boil. I wish I lived near you and would tell me this IRL...especially on a day like today.


The ignorance is frightning.

[milkshakeballa]

Its sad because it looks like your intellectual horizon ends with Fox News.

The "muslim terrorist" as cause for all evil, nice if it would be so simple. And still so many americans fell for this and allowed that clown George W. 4 more years. Like i said, its not black and white, its grey and like i said it was just a question of time since their foreign politics will come back and hunt them in their own country.

And for a good reason. Muslim terrorists killed thousands of innocent people. I prefer not to imagine the number of innocent people killed by the actions of the american government. And yes, a human life count as a human life, not if he was american or iraqi etc.

To understand how a lot of other people feel you should watch this (and the other four parts). Then you should understand why it was just a question of time and why the "muslim terrorist" even had a good reason...

n4H_E8b-qmo

You are a coward.

[sefant77]

The ignorance is frightning.

Yes, the ignorance is ridiculous. Ignorance of the middle east fuckups by the american goverment since 30 years starting with the Shah of Persia, over arming Saddam to fight Iran and later arming Bin Laden to fight the russians in afghanistan, installing Allawi back in the Iraq etc.

And then blaming the "muslim terrorists" as source of all evil.

But looks like its hard for several people here to see the difference between an explanation and a justification.

[xellos88330]

Yes, the ignorance is ridiculous. Ignorance of the middle east fuckups by the american goverment since 30 years starting with the Shah of Persia, over arming Saddam to fight Iran and later arming Bin Laden to fight the russians in afghanistan, installing Allawi back in the Iraq etc.

And then blaming the "muslim terrorists" as source of all evil.

But looks like its hard for several people here to see the difference between an explanation and a justification.

So you are saying terrorists aren't responsible for killing innocent people?

Sure foriegn politics are difficult, but when you are the most powerful country in the world, who doesn't want to be your best ally?

The US has tried to assist muslim nations, and when things didn't work out well for the muslims, they claim a holy war?

Bin Laden, holds a personal vendetta against the United States. He wanted his freedom fighters to protect Saudi Arabia, but was rejected because the Saudi's wanted the US Military there. I would imagine he took it personally and started warping religious texts to justify his vengeance. All this AFTER the US helped him fight off the Russians.

[sefant77]

There is a nice quote in the video i linked:


"And you are surprised that we get bombs placed under our asses - when do you get surprised that we get _so few_ bombs placed under our asses?"



So you are saying terrorists aren't responsible for killing innocent peope?

I think thats the point too less people think about. The action of terrorists killing innocent people is horrible. The outside actions of the past decades that MADE the terrorists starting to kill innocent people isnt any different.

[sefant77]

The US has tried to assist muslim nations, and when things didn't work out well for the muslims, they claim a holy war?


Shah of Persia

Iran - Iraq war

Afghanistan war against russia

Please explain me the kind of "assist" of the USA there....

I got the feeling that still barely someone know something what happened in the middle east between 79 and 91...

[xellos88330]

Afghanistan war with Russia, the US along with UK and Saudi Arabia lended help for the Afghan resistance after Russia invaded.

Iran had a pact with the US for military cooperation if I recall, this is shortly before the Iran-Iraq war. I don't think the US had anything to do with Iraq until after the whole hostage thing. That is when the US opinion of Iran began to change. The hostage were kept by radical muslims who wanted more arms. Get this... even Israel was helping out Iran by attacking Iraq. Once the Ayatollah took over, after seeing what radical muslims do to American citizens, what would you do to protect your own citizens?

Saddam was just fucking crazy. If anything the UK had more to do with Iraq than the US did.

[Steve Kerr]

Timothy McVeigh wasn't a radical Christian. He was radical and he was Christian, there's a difference.
You're dead wrong so quit trying to sound smart. McVeigh bombing that building was fueled by him thinking the Waco Siege was the government acting against Christianity.

[Purch]

So I guess this isn't a thread where we can pay respects to the people who lost their lives.

It seems like a thread where people discuss how we brought this upon ourselves.

Just like all the fire fighters who died that day doing their job, they brought it upon themselves.

[xellos88330]

So I guess this isn't a thread where we can pay respects to the people who lost their lives.

It seems like a thread where people discuss how we brought this upon ourselves.

Just like all the fire fighters who died that day doing their job, they brought it upon themselves.

+1

:toast

[sefant77]

Well, it started when someone throw the "enemy" punchline.

[Purch]

I consider anyone who was in on the the death of innocent people on 9/11 enemies.

What are we supposed to do? Consider them friends?

[Purch]

Wow opps^

LOL Hopefully no one caught that

[Spursfan092120]

I used to fall asleep watching ESPNEWS...Woke up that morning and sports wasn't on. All they were talking about was the towers. About 5 minutes after I woke up, the second plane hit. I'll never forget it.

http://jimmillsphoto.com/images/911_NeverForget.jpg

[Darrin]

Its sad because it looks like your intellectual horizon ends with Fox News.

The "muslim terrorist" as cause for all evil, nice if it would be so simple. And still so many americans fell for this and allowed that clown George W. 4 more years. Like i said, its not black and white, its grey and like i said it was just a question of time since their foreign politics will come back and hunt them in their own country.

And for a good reason. Muslim terrorists killed thousands of innocent people. I prefer not to imagine the number of innocent people killed by the actions of the american government. And yes, a human life count as a human life, not if he was american or iraqi etc.

To understand how a lot of other people feel you should watch this (and the other four parts). Then you should understand why it was just a question of time and why the "muslim terrorist" even had a good reason...

n4H_E8b-qmo

I may be talking out my naive, "we're the good guys" ass, but this isn't a shade of gray. I don't expect every country to like the US and we are not saints. But this is anti-American. He's making the case for an attack. I couldn't get through all of it.

I wasn't alive in 1973. President Bush was snorting cocaine around that time. Who is Osama bin Ladin attacking? What does he hope to accomplish with the attack? To kill Americans. To do exactly to us what he thinks was done to him. He'll become a freedom fighter when he liberates his people from state-sanctioned religion. He'll be a freedom fighter when he allows women to walk the street. He'll be a freedom fighter when he allows actual schools in his country.

When his rhetoric becomes about FREEDOM and not about KILLING AMERICANS!

Only after he does all that will I even answer the question about him being a freedom fighter. We may have been asking for a punch in the nose, but this is not the man to deliver it. To live under him as a ruler, like Hitler before him, would enslave and opress many, many people and turn fantasy and theory into the word of God.































































On a personal note, FUCK YOU!

[Giuseppe]

You're dead wrong so quit trying to sound smart. McVeigh bombing that building was fueled by him thinking the Waco Siege was the government acting against Christianity.

Horseshit.

[Darrin]

You're dead wrong so quit trying to sound smart. McVeigh bombing that building was fueled by him thinking the Waco Siege was the government acting against Christianity.


Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight. [...] Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might


It is a lie if we tell ourselves that the police can protect us everywhere at all times. Firearms restrictions are bad enough, but now a woman can't even carry Mace in her purse?


Go ahead, take everything I own; take my dignity. Feel good as you grow fat and rich at my expense; sucking my tax dollars and property


The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

[Purch]

Like I said, Anyone who tries to justify the killing of innocent people is the lowest of scum in the world.

fez0nLf7Ado


^ Yep I'm sure everyone in there really had something to do with this.

[Ashy Larry]

never forget ....... but also never forget that a memo was place on the leader of the free world's desk a month beforehand and airport security was enhanced after the incident

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/CIA_Memo.JPG

[cesare borgia]

That day is the beginning of the fall of America as a great nation.

America enemies will propser!

[Chomag]

So I guess this isn't a thread where we can pay respects to the people who lost their lives.

It seems like a thread where people discuss how we brought this upon ourselves.

Just like all the fire fighters who died that day doing their job, they brought it upon themselves.

QFT!

What is the point on posting anything intellectual here anymore?

On that note I can't believe it's been 9 years already, it still feels like it happened today. God bless the families and those that were involved or perished on that day. I will not ever forget.

[Giuseppe]

That day is the beginning of the fall of America as a great nation.

No, that day is when Kennedy was shot & killed in Dallas.

We've been kinda driftin' in the winds ever since.

[BlackSwordsMan]

No, that day is when Kennedy was shot & killed in Dallas.

We've been kinda driftin' in the winds ever since.

Nah it was when Lincoln freed the slaves and got shot. Not much has been done since.

[Killakobe81]

I was in Seattle on a business trip. Staying at the Residence Inn in Lynwood. The one time I didnt pack extra clothes ... Im at the breakfast area getting some food. Everyone is packed in front of the TV and I just figured Bush was on TV talking. I grab a USA Today to sit down and enjoy my day and it dawns on me how quiet the lobby is. So i walk over to the TV and ask the guy next to me ...."what's that?" He says "that USED to be the World Trade center ...". My heart sunk, and I was in shock. I was born in Brooklyn and have lot's of family there(NYC) including an EMT. I was stuck in Seattle for days, but I could care less ...my home city was grieving and I felt for them.

Cheers to the men and women who gave their lives or had it taken by some misguided souls that day. And God bless America ...

[Koolaid_Man]

Like I said, Anyone who tries to justify the killing of innocent people is the lowest of scum in the world.

fez0nLf7Ado


^ Yep I'm sure everyone in there really had something to do with this.


here is an example of spreading Democracy under Bush:

Pretty disturbing shit IMHO...
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[Purch]

here is an example of spreading Democracy under Bush:

Pretty disturbing shit IMHO...
Ki17673d_Qk

So does that make up for everyone who was just at work that day and died and all the families of the victims?

[Purch]

Were the fire fighters who died somehow involved with dipshit soldiers who have nothing better to do but harass Kids?

[Koolaid_Man]

Commie.


thought you might appreciate this...this is the realest shit I ever posted bar none::toast:toast:toast:toast:toast:toast:toast

Fox News getting owned by Brother Malik Shabazz:

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Brother Shabazz calls Fox News Contributor A Ho:
This my homie right here 100 grand...bar none
Y9vadcdgzjI


The realist Brother Ever:
_vtg5eG0ttI

The complete excoriation of Hannity:

YKNGBFCZNYw

[Giuseppe]

here is an example of spreading Democracy under Bush

Now we're spreading it under Hussein Obama in Afghanistan & Pakistan.

Dover AFB is uber busy.

[Koolaid_Man]

So does that make up for everyone who was just at work that day and died and all the families of the victims?


No it doesn't at all....and I sympathize with the loss...but this is the price we pay....not everyone is a coward and afraid of the US...while I disagree with what Osama did as an intellectual I have to marvel at his planning genius of pulling it off and having the balls to stand up to the US like that...that was brilliant...evil but from a war strategy standpoint brilliant....never been done in history...

[Koolaid_Man]

Now we're spreading it under Hussein Obama in Afghanistan & Pakistan.

Dover AFB is uber busy.


just cleaning up the Cowboys mess.....

[Giuseppe]

All Hussein Obama had to do was stop the war.

He's expanded it

We're still losing children in Iraq.

Big shot.

[Koolaid_Man]

All Hussein Obama had to do was stop the war.

He's expanded it

We're still losing children in Iraq.

Big shot.


and allow what happened after the Russian - Afghan war to occur again; namely the rise of the Taliban...if Bush went after Bin Laden like he was supposed to Hussein Obama wouldn't have to clean up his mess...then again even when he was in school Bush wasn't too bright...

You call Obama affirmative action and I call George Bush Legacy Based Admission. :toast in all cases Legacy Based admissions dumb down the curriculum because it's based on Dad's pocket book...whereas affirmative action is make the grade or receive the cut...

I'm just so fucking gutter and brilliant all at the same time...:toast

I don't expect most to understand what I'm referring to Cully but I know you're smart enough to get it...

[Spursfan092120]

and allow what happened after the Russian - Afghan war to occur again; namely the rise of the Taliban...if Bush went after Bin Laden like he was supposed to Hussein Obama wouldn't have to clean up his mess...then again even when he was in school Bush wasn't too bright...

You call Obama affirmative action and I call George Bush Legacy Based Admission. :toast in all cases Legacy Based admissions dumb down the curriculum because it's based on Dad's pocket book...whereas affirmative action is make the grade or receive the cut...

I'm just so fucking gutter and brilliant all at the same time...:toast

I don't expect most to understand what I'm referring to Cully but I know you're smart enough to get it...
You do know that Bill Clinton had Osama Bin Laden in his back pocket, right? He could have had him taken out LONG before GW...get your facts straight.

[MavDynasty]

wow...that video of the dipshit soldiers Koolaid posted is seriously fucked up...

[Koolaid_Man]

You do know that Bill Clinton had Osama Bin Laden in his back pocket, right? He could have had him taken out LONG before GW...get your facts straight.


the saudi govnt and then you got it right.....you're referring to the time Osama was sitting on a mount with a Saudi Prince and Bill refused to pull the trigger for fear he would have killed the prince as well...yes i'm aware but your point is?????

[Spursfan092120]

the saudi govnt and then you got it right.....you're referring to the time Osama was sitting on a mount with a Saudi Prince and Bill refused to pull the trigger for fear he would have killed the prince as well...yes i'm aware but your point is?????
My point is, you're trying to put the blame on Bush...Bush was looking for him...Clinton had him.

[Spursfan092120]

But actually, I'm talking about how the Sudanese President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir offered the arrest and extradition of bin Laden, and intelligence data about Jihad, Hezbollah, and Hamas, trying to end terrorism. Clinton failed to act. Didn't think it was important enough

[TE]

Stop arguing, and just remember and pay respects.



Please, have some humanity people.

[mingus]

Islam is crazy. I don't advocate any religion that treats women as less than men.

[mingus]

it's a fuckin disgrace to humanity that a woman will get stoned to death in Iran for adultery. are you fuckin kidding me?

[TinTin]

Islam is crazy. I don't advocate any religion that treats women as less than men.


it's a fuckin disgrace to humanity that a woman will get stoned to death in Iran for adultery. are you fuckin kidding me?

Don't be retarded. Nowhere in Islam does it encourage a woman getting stoned to death. It is purely the government in power interpreting the koran to suit their needs

[BadOdor]

lol 9/11.

[Veterinarian]

Those McVeigh quotes read like some of Wild Cobra's posts in the Political forum.

[midnightpulp]

as an intellectual I

:lmao