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Parker2112
09-12-2010, 12:12 AM
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/09/anniversary-of-911.html






Thursday, September 9, 2010

The Anniversary of 9/11 (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/09/anniversary-of-911.html)




Don't want to hear this?

Tough. Grow up.

9/11 Commissioners:


The 9/11 Commission's co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html?sub=new) (free subscription required)


9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue (http://web.archive.org/web/20070108233707/http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/911hamilton.html)



9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting" (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/02/9-11panel.pentagon/index.html)



9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal" (http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/21/cleland/index.html?pn=1); "This investigation is now compromised" (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/13/911_panel_to_get_access_to_withheld_data/); and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up" (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/23/1546256)



9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." (http://salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index4.html) He also said (http://www.newsweek.com/2009/03/13/the-9-11-commission-and-torture.html) that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking


And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) - who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry - recently said (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/04/senior-counsel-to-911-commission-at.html) "At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". He also said (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html) "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true." And he said (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1921659,00.html): "It's almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA's New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened"
If even the 9/11 Commissioners don't buy the official story, why do you?


Senior intelligence officers:

Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5260#more-5260) that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJhWhItqYCc) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VirlkZq1pLY))


A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke” (http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070922_seven_cia_veterans_c.htm)


A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe (http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070922_seven_cia_veterans_c.htm) (and see this (http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Christison14.htm))


A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored) (http://web.archive.org/web/20060615005757/http://www.pogo.org/m/hsp/hsp-911commission-040913.pdf)


A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that "the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNsSn6D3CP4)


The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup" (http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070922_seven_cia_veterans_c.htm)
If even our country's top intelligence officers don't buy the official story, why do you?



Congressmen:

According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/11/con05439.html) (confirmed here (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/politics/08graham.html))


Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?" (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/29/150254)


Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumAnh8oWbU) and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on" (http://web.archive.org/web/20070121184445/http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/170107paul.mp3)


Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11 (http://www.911blogger.com/node/5854)


Current Republican Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRj3r0fBppI&feature=player_embedded)


Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6XLYfAhG0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F911blogger%2Ecom%2Fnode%2F10561)


Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation (http://patriotsquestion911.com/#Chafee)


Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn't believe the official version of events (http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/022208_congressman_involved.htm)


Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050917&articleId=965), is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10365)
If there is bipartisan questioning of the official story, why aren't you questioning it?




Other government officials:

U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time" (http://securingamerica.com/node/692)


Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11 (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633)


Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq) "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence"


The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/04/con06125.html)


Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" (http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2006/010706doesnthunt.htm)


The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/17/122900.shtml)
If top government officials are skeptical, why aren't you?

Numerous other politicians (http://pl911truth.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=53), judges, legal scholars, and attorneys (http://www.l911t.com/) also question at least some aspects of the government's version of 9/11.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 12:36 AM
When you put it THAT way...

Nbadan
09-12-2010, 01:22 AM
the faith-in-Bush-Crowd doesn't want to hear any of this because it doesn't fit into their nice little comprehension package...

Nbadan
09-12-2010, 02:21 AM
For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington.

In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.

Interesting....If NORAD wasn't tracking AA Flight 11, as it thought, what plane was it tracking?

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 04:10 AM
Great.

Let us know what you think really happened that day and we'll talk.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 12:06 PM
Chump, on this issue you consistently miss the boat.

None of us know what really happened and the 9-11 report is nothing more than an offical cover up effort, thats why we need a new investigation. Its that damn simple.

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 12:55 PM
Covering up what?

That's where you consistently miss the boat. Since the other information has already come out where people can point to the errors in the report, the information is already out there. It's that damn simple.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 01:23 PM
Then lets take this one step further: People lied. Until you grill people making those lies, the truth will never be told. There was no grilling. No cross examination. The company line was bought lock stock and barrel. And now the members of the panel are admitting this.

And to refuse to do so is propogating the cover up. Of what Chump asks? Of lies...it's that simple. No one knows what's on the other side of that door, till we open it and step inside.

And as much as you feel satisfied following your research on this matter, the American people shouldn't all have to conduct independent research to find out their own individual version of the truth. The truth should be on record. And its not. You claim it is in the rebuttals that have come out since. Well, are those rebuttals on public record? If not...do over.

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ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 01:27 PM
Then lets take this one step further: People lied. Until you grill people making those lies, the truth will never be told. There was no grilling. No cross examination. The company line was bought lock stock and barrel. And now the members of the panel are admitting this.They admitted it a long time ago. Quote mining eight years later is just silly.


And to refuse to do so is propogating the cover up. Of what Chump asks? Of lies...it's that simple. No one knows what's on the other side of that door, till we open it and step inside.The door has already been stepped into.


And as much as you feel satisfied following your research on this matter, the American people shouldn't all have to conduct independent research to find out their own individual version of the truth. The truth should be on record. And its not. You claim it is in the rebuttals that have come out since. Well, are those rebuttals on public record? If not...do over.The evidence is a matter of public record. It hasn't been tied up in a bow for you, so you can act like it doesn't exist. You're simply lazy.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 01:30 PM
They admitted it a long time ago. Quote mining eight years later is just silly.

The door has already been stepped into.

The evidence is a matter of public record. It hasn't been tied up in a bow for you, so you can act like it doesn't exist. You're simply lazy.

Has the 9-11 report been retracted?

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 01:36 PM
Has the 9-11 report been retracted?No. But most of the information that has been disputed has been known for years and years. Most of the bad information came from bureaucratic ass covering. If some whistleblower had some kind of confirmation of whatever conspiracy nontheory people have dreamed up, it would have come out already.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 01:46 PM
If we know the committee was lied to, thats enough. The theory doesnt need to be hatched and proven before we reopen. The American public doesnt have to "know" what it doesn't and couldn't "know" before a true independent investigation. Thats cockamamie.

Did they even conduct an independent investigation in the first place? If so, how was it subject to bureaucratic ass covering?

And why is it that you are supporting keeping the public in the dark? Do they not deserve to have liars and Bush admin bureaucratic ass covering officials grilled? Doesn't the loss suffered warrant as much?

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 01:55 PM
If we know the committee was lied to, thats enough. The theory doesnt need to be hatched and proven before we reopen. The American public doesnt have to "know" what it doesn't and couldn't "know" before a true independent investigation. Thats cockamamie.But they already know.

And really, define "true independent investigation."


Did they even conduct an independent investigation in the first place? If so, how was it subject to bureaucratic ass covering?If you think the commission was the only investigation into 9/11, you are a fool.


And why is it that you are supporting keeping the public in the dark? Do they not deserve to have liars and Bush admin bureaucratic ass covering officials grilled? Doesn't the loss suffered warrant as much?The only people in the dark are those who choose to remain so and expect to be spoon fed an investigation that will please them.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 01:59 PM
But they already know.

And really, define "true independent investigation."

If you think the commission was the only investigation into 9/11, you are a fool.

The only people in the dark are those who choose to remain so and expect to be spoon fed an investigation that will please them.

You don't understand the value and purpose of:
1. getting a definitive version on the record with everything we know.
2. cross-examining and prosecuting those that lie to our govt officials
3. setting the record straight and closing the book for not only our generation but future ones as well.

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 02:00 PM
You don't understand the value and purpose of:
1. getting a definitive version on the record with everything we know.
2. cross-examining and prosecuting those that lie to our govt officials
3. setting the record straight and closing the book for not only our generation but future ones as well.You don't understand the value and purpose of getting off your lazy ass and reading a few documents.

You prefer to bitch that someone doesn't do it for you.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 02:06 PM
The biggest event in our country's modern history and you want everyone to determine their own conclusions? :lmao

You understand how history sweeps away everything thats not in that report right? You understand that for those lying about the events, thats exactly what they would prefer right?

You're just having an off day sir.

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 04:09 PM
The biggest event in our country's modern history and you want everyone to determine their own conclusions? :lmaoYou would prefer everyone accept everything that is spoon fed to them?


You understand how history sweeps away everything thats not in that report right? You understand that for those lying about the events, thats exactly what they would prefer right?The actual information is already out there, and history is rarely taught from original documents or a single document.


You're just having an off day sir.You're just lazy, sir.

Parker2112
09-12-2010, 05:09 PM
You lose this one all day... fair and square, Chump. You're smarter than to think you win on these points.

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 10:41 PM
You lose this one all day... fair and square, Chump. You're smarter than to think you win on these points.You make yourself lose because you are too lazy to do anything. You prefer idle bitching.

It's not fair because I got off my ass and you didn't. Sorry.

PublicOption
09-12-2010, 11:29 PM
here is the truth.

planes hit the pentagon and the twin towers.

....isn't that all you fucking need to know?

DMX7
09-12-2010, 11:36 PM
Oh fucking brother... not this stupid shit again.

Dreaming up these goddamned conspiracies is a surefire sign that you need to get a life.

ChumpDumper
09-12-2010, 11:53 PM
here is the truth.

planes hit the pentagon and the twin towers.

....isn't that all you fucking need to know?Is that all you know?

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 09:03 AM
You make yourself lose because you are too lazy to do anything. You prefer idle bitching.

It's not fair because I got off my ass and you didn't. Sorry.

Again you're personalizing this to me and you, and you fail to see the big picture. Avg. Joline the plumber and Maxx the retail assistant don't have time for research. And they shouldn't have to. The govt should have it's feet held to the fire to 1. find the whole truth, 2. tell it, and 3. prosecute liars from the Bush admin.

Not to tell my ass what happened, but to preserve our democratic way of life.

You miss this point consistently.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 09:05 AM
Oh fucking brother... not this stupid shit again.

Dreaming up these goddamned conspiracies is a surefire sign that you need to get a life.

Its not that the govt necessarily committed the acts, or allowed it to happen, but people in the admin did lie. Heads should roll.

Blake
09-13-2010, 09:36 AM
Joline the plumber

:lol

Blake
09-13-2010, 09:37 AM
Its not that the govt necessarily committed the acts, or allowed it to happen, but people in the admin did lie. Heads should roll.

I don't recall......who was it that lied?

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 11:08 AM
I don't recall......who was it that lied?

Chump conceded liars before the committee. Thats what I was referring to. The OP references in more detail.

Blake
09-13-2010, 11:25 AM
Chump conceded liars before the committee. Thats what I was referring to. The OP references in more detail.

Although I do already have an opinion as to how this thread is going to go for you, I wasn't implying that you are a winner or a loser in it. I was asking a question based on your claim that someone in the administration lied.

In the OP, I see where it says that there were considerations by the commitee to prosecute military officials for providing false but it leaves it at that.

I'm simply asking......who lied?

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:08 PM
ask Chump. I not going to contradict his assertion at this point. I have him pretty much cornered and I'm not giving him any more fodder for argumentative wiggle room.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:13 PM
^^^cop out

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:15 PM
he says admin officials lied to protect those in the party/admin, I'll say prosecute, he no longer has an argument, other than since the info eventually saw the light of day liars get a pass.

Get back with Chump here. He's better researched than I on 9-11. I have done very little as he points out, I just think the collapses are to incredible to be believed. But that isnt an informed speculation necessarily. I just dont believe all 3 buildings could both fall in such incredible ways, including building 7. And until I hear it from a professional who doesnt have political leanings or isnt part of the official investigation I wont buy.

The OP states pretty clearly that many participants in the orig investigation believe they were set up to fail. Who are we to question those that were there?

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:15 PM
Won't answer Blake because he's afraid of ChumpyD.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:16 PM
Poor Parker.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:16 PM
^^^cop out

I dont need to contradict stipulated facts. read the post above.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:18 PM
he's afraid of ChumpyD.

Chump lost out yesterday, pretty bad in fact. If thats because he stipulated to a losing argument, thats just his fail. More likely, Chump is someone who actually has invested time in researching the topic, and has discovered the mistruths that I have not. I'll take his word on it.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:19 PM
Won't answer Blake .

I think I did buddy.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:22 PM
I saw your feeble appeal to authority. I'm not impressed.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:24 PM
Chump lost out yesterday, pretty bad in fact. If thats because he stipulated to a losing argument, thats just his fail. More likely, Chump is someone who actually has invested time in researching the topic, and has discovered the mistruths that I have not. I'll take his word on it.You were afraid of losing the argument, so you shut it all down. Wimpy!

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:40 PM
You were afraid of losing the argument, so you shut it all down. Wimpy!

I think I admitted Chump has the more informed take, and I will rely on that.

Honestly, I could cite the OP, but I'm not going to since 1. its there for all to read, and 2. I havent attempted to poke any holes in it as of yet. If someone else has problems with its validity, then have a go. Feeling randy?

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:43 PM
It's your credibility that's lacking. You won't even give your take on your own OP beyond a lame appeal to authority. How pathetic.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:44 PM
Especially since you spent so much time thumping your own chest over basically nothing.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:47 PM
You won't even give your take on your own OP beyond a lame appeal to authority.


I have done very little as he points out, I just think the collapses are to incredible to be believed. But that isnt an informed speculation necessarily. I just dont believe all 3 buildings could both fall in such incredible ways, including building 7. And until I hear it from a professional who doesnt have political leanings or isnt part of the official investigation I wont buy.

The OP states pretty clearly that many participants in the orig investigation believe they were set up to fail. Who are we to question those that were there?

say that again?

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:48 PM
Especially since you spent so much time thumping your own chest over Chump admitting there were lies told to the committee and that they dont need to be prosecuted.

Right-o.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 12:48 PM
say that again?Lame appeal to authority.

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 12:48 PM
Chump lost out yesterday, pretty bad in fact. If thats because he stipulated to a losing argument, thats just his fail. More likely, Chump is someone who actually has invested time in researching the topic, and has discovered the mistruths that I have not. I'll take his word on it.The mistruths are hardly as big a deal as twoofers make them out to be. It's not like the people quoted in the OP have never explained what they were talking about. You might want to dig a little deeper to see to what each was referring. You insist on a new investigation, but you don't even know what you want to have investigated. That's funny.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:52 PM
The mistruths are hardly as big a deal as twoofers make them out to be. It's not like the people quoted in the OP have never explained what they were talking about. You might want to dig a little deeper to see to what each was referring. You insist on a new investigation, but you don't even know what you want to have investigated. That's funny.

do my uninformed ass a favor. cite a credible scientific explanation of the incredible nature of the three collapses. all three the same incredible result. yet completely difft conditions in building 7. no sarcasm here.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:53 PM
to me, the science is the biggest lie.

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 12:55 PM
do my uninformed ass a favor. cite a credible scientific explanation of the incredible nature of the three collapses. all three the same incredible result. yet completely difft conditions in building 7. no sarcasm here.http://wtc.nist.gov/

It's a little dry reading but 430 pages should give you a fairly detailed explanation.

Get back to me when you've read it all.

Thanks.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 12:57 PM
http://wtc.nist.gov/

Get back to me when you've read it all.

Thanks.

Did they rig the analysis to get the result they wanted? Or did they show their work? Or neither?

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 12:58 PM
Get back to me when you've read it all.

Thanks.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 01:01 PM
nothing wrong with spreading your wealth of knowledge. youre the informed one here

Blake
09-13-2010, 01:01 PM
do my uninformed ass a favor. cite a credible scientific explanation of the incredible nature of the three collapses. all three the same incredible result. yet completely difft conditions in building 7. no sarcasm here.

Popular Mechanics did a good piece a few years back as well.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 01:02 PM
Ill check it out

Blake
09-13-2010, 01:02 PM
Did they rig the analysis to get the result they wanted? Or did they show their work? Or neither?

You are confirming my opinion of how this thread is going to go for you.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 01:19 PM
You are confirming my opinion of how this thread is going to go for you.

Mostly I am confirming that giving Chump some wiggle room frees him from his earlier stipulations ,and gives him access to the larger issues. Now he wants to lean on the report that is tainted with partisan white-washing.

I guess its just the degree of white-washing that he disputes. I guess.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 01:21 PM
Oh, you read it already?

Tell us all about the whitewash, please.

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 01:22 PM
Mostly I am confirming that giving Chump some wiggle room frees him from his earlier stipulationsWhy would I want to free myself from that stipulation. I know what they were talking about. You don't.
and gives him access to the larger issues. Now he wants to lean on the report that is tainted with partisan white-washing.

I guess its just the degree of white-washing that he disputes. I guess.I guess it's just the degree of ignorance you feel comfortable having when it comes to 9/11.

Seems pretty high.

Wild Cobra
09-13-2010, 01:35 PM
Poor Parker.
No shit.

I thought he was a loser when he first started posting here, but he is worse than Mouse when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Wild Cobra
09-13-2010, 01:36 PM
Parker...

What about the moon landings?

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 01:55 PM
you mofos are going to make me prove 9-11 was a conspiracy.

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 01:57 PM
you mofos are going to make me prove 9-11 was a conspiracy.It was a conspiracy between a bunch of Islamic terrorists.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:10 PM
It was a conspiracy between a bunch of Islamic terrorists.

with crack pilot skills. who couldnt pass flight school.

Galileo
09-13-2010, 02:11 PM
It was a conspiracy between a bunch of Islamic terrorists.

Wrong. the trials of those accused have not been conducted. You are innocent unless proven guilty.

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 02:15 PM
Wrong. the trials of those accused have not been conducted.Most of them are dead.

And trials are not necessary for me to ascribe guilt; e.g., you are guilty of lying and being stupid.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 02:16 PM
you mofos are going to make me prove 9-11 was a conspiracy.What's stopping you? :lol

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:30 PM
What's stopping you? :lol

same thing that was eating this guy at 2:15.

V5UuYcNt0ug

For the first time in my life, WH.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:31 PM
WC's been carrying me too long. But I dont want to lose what I got.

Blake
09-13-2010, 02:34 PM
with crack pilot skills. who couldnt pass flight school.

what are you trying to imply with this statement?

who flew the planes into the towers?

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 02:34 PM
The quote at 1:00 rings truer to me.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:35 PM
The quote at 1:00 rings truer to me.

thats pretty good. I like your style. I just chuckled inside.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:36 PM
what are you trying to imply with this statement?

who flew the planes into the towers?

The dead guys.

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 02:37 PM
with crack pilot skills. who couldnt pass flight school.Ah, another twoofer meme. They had pretty shitty skills. It doesn't take much skill to fly into large buildings. Try it yourself on a simulator.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:41 PM
Ah, another twoofer meme. They had pretty shitty skills. It doesn't take much skill to fly into large buildings. Try it yourself on a simulator.

right and right and wrong. The act aint hard, but in the case the approach was not easy, and the guys were dead-on in both cases.

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 02:42 PM
right and right and wrong. The act aint hard, but in the case the approach was not easy, and the guys were dead-on in both cases.How was the approach not easy?

Please explain.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:47 PM
How was the approach not easy?

Please explain.

thats just something i heard. ill get back to you when i read the report

Blake
09-13-2010, 02:48 PM
right and right and wrong. The act aint hard, but in the case the approach was not easy, and the guys were dead-on in both cases.

So if the suicidal terrorists didn't fly the planes into the buildings because they lacked the know-how, then who did?

ChumpDumper
09-13-2010, 02:48 PM
thats just something i heard.:rollin

Blake
09-13-2010, 02:49 PM
thats just something i heard.


You are confirming my opinion of how this thread is going to go for you.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:49 PM
:toast

LnGrrrR
09-13-2010, 02:51 PM
you mofos are going to make me prove 9-11 was a conspiracy.

I'd like to see it, personally.

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 02:57 PM
I'd like to see it, personally.

Me too.

Blake
09-13-2010, 02:59 PM
Me too.

Well what are you doing here then? Get going.

IceColdBrewski
09-13-2010, 06:51 PM
same thing that was eating this guy at 2:15.

V5UuYcNt0ug



You're afraid Clubber Lang is gonna kick your ass?

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 07:04 PM
You're afraid Clubber Lang is gonna kick your ass?

No, scared that ChumpDump and WH are going to pick me apart like two farmyard Ginny hens.

Winehole23
09-13-2010, 07:20 PM
Too late. :lol

Tell you what: I'll embargo the thread for a whole week so you can take on ChumpDumper head to head. How's that?

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 08:22 PM
Too late. :lol

Tell you what: I'll embargo the thread for a whole week so you can take on ChumpDumper head to head. How's that?

I'm not coming back here for substantive discussion until I'm able to prove that the twin towers were demolished by a team of black operatives under the command of Rummy himself.

Book it.

Smoking gun coming. Wait for it....

Parker2112
09-13-2010, 08:35 PM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20979

Dick Gregory sends out a nice "Fuck you, I aint eatin' shit till you bitches get it right" also.

IceColdBrewski
09-13-2010, 11:16 PM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20979





http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20979

Dick Gregory sends out a nice "Fuck you, I aint eatin' shit till you bitches get it right" also.


"Please Donate" :lol

I'm gonna start me 9/11 thruther movement so I can make a buck or two off the yahoo's out there. :greedy