Congrats Kevin Durant....

[TheGreatest23]

For leading Team USA to gold....unlike some other dude who likes to lead them to LeBronze.

[BadOdor]

lol oden

lol tlong

[lebomb]

He is the BEST player in the NBA period.

[Lukor]

He is the BEST player in the NBA period.

not yet.

[21_Blessings]

1) Mamba
2) Durant
3) Wade
4) Robin

[Koolaid_Man]

He is the BEST player in the NBA period.


I want the money fuck the fame I'm a simple man... - 2pac :toast
Fuck Billboards and Platitudes give my nigga Kobe that Hardware...

[Ace]

Lol Cleveland

[eyeh8u]

kobe is old

[Koolaid_Man]

1) Mamba
2) Durant
3) Wade
4) Robin


Durant is a good player he's just not mentally ready for the Lakers...after about 3 or so more yrs of getting beat by Kobe...then he'll be ready to claim his title...


I still think Durant will win a title before Lebronze....and funny thing is I think he will win it in guess where...fucking aye.... LA...:rollin

[HarlemHeat37]

Um, Lebron has a Gold in the actual Olympics..

:lol Durant 35% from the field in the only playoff series of his career..

[Koolaid_Man]

Um, Lebron has a Gold in the actual Olympics..

:lol Durant 35% from the field in the only playoff series of his career..


no shit....after Kobe lead his ass...him, Wade, and Melo....couldn't win shit without Kobe...and that will go down in the fucking history books...:toast

[Ace]

no shit....after Kobe lead his ass...him, Wade, and Melo....couldn't win shit without Kobe...and that will go down in the fucking history books...:toast
Could you remind us of Kobe's stats in the Olympics? I'm just curious of how he did in comparison to the ones he "led"

[Ace]

Maybe it's me, but KD has homo written all over him. Most of you tend to love homo's so I'm sure this breaking news won't bother you at all.

Looks like your boy sure does...


funny thing is I think he will win it in guess where...fucking aye.... LA...:rollin

[Giuseppe]

Maybe it's me, but KD has homo written all over him.

Not just you, definitely gay there. Probably has 5, maybe even 6 cocks up in there.

[Koolaid_Man]

Could you remind us of Kobe's stats in the Olympics? I'm just curious of how he did in comparison to the ones he "led"


not concerned with Stats on an All-star team rather with Leadership:

After previously leading team USA to Bronze...Lebron foolishly claimed that he was leader of redeem team::lol

Lebron did a BS Time magazine interview where he claimed he was the leader of the redeem team and that he felt he could tell Kobe and Kidd what to do on the court...:lmao:lmao:lmao no one on that fucking team respected him more than they did Kobe...He thought he was gonna tell Kobe what plays to run...can you imagine this crazy Nigga telling Kobe what to do on the court...please sit your clown ass down...

That's why during the red vs blue team intrasquad games Kobe gave it to his ass just to let him know I run this shit nigga:

_l0AhR-LEfg

Melo and Lebronze was watching Kobe and hating the whole time:

After Bryant hit his fifth three-pointer of the game for a 99-67 lead, he flashed three fingers on both hands and crowd went bonkers.

"Me and LeBron was talking about that. We thought we had some popularity over here -- until Kobe came," Anthony said. "They are just excited to see him over here, seeing him out here with Team USA instead of just the Laker uniform." - Carmelo Anthony

Coach K even said it was Kobe's team:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060306/ai_n16179043/

just a little something for you to marinate on...:toasto

[Koolaid_Man]

Looks like your boy sure does...


he'll be straight by the time he makes the LA transition...and I may just forget he was even a queer...:lol

[SpursTillTheEnd]

Maybe it's me, but KD has homo written all over him. Most of you tend to love homo's so I'm sure this breaking news won't bother you at all.

yo my nigga how you gonna call kd gay when kobe is the one who took them gay fruity ass pics.....

[DMX7]

Maybe it's me, but KD has homo written all over him. Most of you tend to love homo's so I'm sure this breaking news won't bother you at all.

Shut up you 13 year old faggot. My dog's shit is worth more than your opinion.

[Koolaid_Man]

Shut up you 13 year old faggot. My dog's shit is worth more than your opinion.


The Nigga Likes To Eat His Boogars Too!!!

VlHSFSDZjwc

[Don Ready]

he'll be straight by the time he makes the LA transition...and I may just forget he was even a queer...:lol
Koolaid getting owned and back tracking once again. You might well as gone back and deleted that post.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Durant deserves every bit of praise for his performance in Turkey. The future seems his. He'll probably end up with more rings than LeBron in his career, so getting one shouldn't be that difficult at his age.

[JamStone]

Um, Lebron has a Gold in the actual Olympics..

:lol Durant 35% from the field in the only playoff series of his career..

Durant hasn't had a chance to win an Olympic gold medal. LeBron is 1 for 2.

Here's the thing people sometimes forget. After Team USA failed in the 2004 Olympics, they had another chance to redeem themselves before the 2008 Olympics. In 2006, Team USA could have redeemed themselves. This time, LeBron and Wade and Carmelo were the leaders of the team. LeBron had already established himself as a superstar in the league, after his third NBA season, just like Durant this summer. Wade just got done winning a championship and a Finals MVP. Their team had more talent than this Team USA. They once again won bronze.

So trying to discredit what Durant did in these FIBA World championships is futile and frankly silly. LeBron + Wade + Carmelo couldn't do it in 2006. And Durant had far less help on this team.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Durant hasn't had a chance to win an Olympic gold medal. LeBron is 1 for 2.

Here's the thing people sometimes forget. After Team USA failed in the 2004 Olympics, they had another chance to redeem themselves before the 2008 Olympics. In 2006, Team USA could have redeemed themselves. This time, LeBron and Wade and Carmelo were the leaders of the team. LeBron had already established himself as a superstar in the league, after his third NBA season, just like Durant this summer. Wade just got done winning a championship and a Finals MVP. Their team had more talent than this Team USA. They once again won bronze.

So trying to discredit what Durant did in these FIBA World championships is futile and frankly silly. LeBron + Wade + Carmelo couldn't do it in 2006. And Durant had far less help on this team.
LOL, owned.

[HarlemHeat37]

Durant hasn't had a chance to win an Olympic gold medal. LeBron is 1 for 2.

Here's the thing people sometimes forget. After Team USA failed in the 2004 Olympics, they had another chance to redeem themselves before the 2008 Olympics. In 2006, Team USA could have redeemed themselves. This time, LeBron and Wade and Carmelo were the leaders of the team. LeBron had already established himself as a superstar in the league, after his third NBA season, just like Durant this summer. Wade just got done winning a championship and a Finals MVP. Their team had more talent than this Team USA. They once again won bronze.

So trying to discredit what Durant did in these FIBA World championships is futile and frankly silly. LeBron + Wade + Carmelo couldn't do it in 2006. And Durant had far less help on this team.

I didn't discredit Durant for what he did..I responded to the OP, when his claim makes no sense, considering Lebron already has a Gold, and he did it on a bigger stage..

[Spurologist]

For leading Team USA to gold....unlike some other dude who likes to lead them to LeBronze.

"TheGreatest23"

:lmao

you mad???

[Koolaid_Man]

I didn't discredit Durant for what he did..I responded to the OP, when his claim makes no sense, considering Lebron already has a Gold, and he did it on a bigger stage..

not fair Lebron and Wade had Kobe...So Durants more impressive...:lmao

[JamStone]

I didn't discredit Durant for what he did..I responded to the OP, when his claim makes no sense, considering Lebron already has a Gold, and he did it on a bigger stage..

If you're not discrediting Durant, what's the purpose to make fun of his FG% in last season's playoff series against the Lakers? You're obviously trying to discredit Durant.

And one could argue LeBron didn't "lead" a team to gold. He has been on a team that won gold. But it's absolutely clear that Durant led this team. When LeBron won gold, Wade was the leading scorer and Kobe was the closer. It's at the least arguable. The claim by the OP has merit depending how he views the 2008 Olympics.

[Jt.ONE]

durants the future of the NBA no doubt..

question though, i occasionally catch a few intrasquad games on TV and i ALWAYS see lebron wearing black shades in doors.

why???

[Koolaid_Man]

durants the future of the NBA no doubt..

question though, i occasionally catch a few intrasquad games on TV and i ALWAYS see lebron wearing black shades in doors.

why???

same reason that Jay-Z wears glasses in-doors...they're hiding from their faces...

Lebron's looks rival his physical presence on the court...:toast

[DDS4]

:king

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3NlkiqF8A

[LkrFan]

Durant hasn't had a chance to win an Olympic gold medal. LeBron is 1 for 2.

Here's the thing people sometimes forget. After Team USA failed in the 2004 Olympics, they had another chance to redeem themselves before the 2008 Olympics. In 2006, Team USA could have redeemed themselves. This time, LeBron and Wade and Carmelo were the leaders of the team. LeBron had already established himself as a superstar in the league, after his third NBA season, just like Durant this summer. Wade just got done winning a championship and a Finals MVP. Their team had more talent than this Team USA. They once again won bronze.

So trying to discredit what Durant did in these FIBA World championships is futile and frankly silly. LeBron + Wade + Carmelo couldn't do it in 2006. And Durant had far less help on this team.
A few thoughts about KD:

1. KD >> LeBronze
2. KD will be a Laker in 2-3 years

Great ownage of HarlemHo by the way! :lmao

[Giuseppe]

If you're not discrediting Durant, what's the purpose to make fun of his FG% in last season's playoff series against the Lakers? You're obviously trying to discredit Durant.

Artest assisted Har.

tee, hee.

[midnightpulp]

you guys should stop slobbing over durant's nuts. Although, i'm sure he likes male lovin, at best, he's a 3rd option on a good team. If he continues to work hard and avoid that fragile frame getting crushed, he can move into league of the ray allen's and reggie miller's. I'm actually being generous because i doubt he does this.

38-13.

[Ace]

KD will be a Laker in 2-3 years
Really even while under contract with the Thunder?

[Punchy]

I'm sure he likes male lovin

You're one to talk.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2r3laoi.jpg

[TheGreatest23]

I didn't discredit Durant for what he did..I responded to the OP, when his claim makes no sense, considering Lebron already has a Gold, and he did it on a bigger stage..

Hey retard....I said "lead" something your boy Lebronze can't seem to do in any level.

[LkrFan]

Really even while under contract with the Thunder?
Melo is under KT with Denver. What you saying?

[SomeCallMeTim]

Durant has been amazing and he is easily the most likable superstar in the NBA. I can't think of any dirt on this guy -- unlike Kobe, Wade, LeBron, even Howard, there just doesn't seem to be anything in his past or personality that grates. Truly seems like a good and humble dude, impossible to root against a guy like that.

[Ace]

Melo is under KT with Denver. What you saying?

Yet he is still with Denver and his contract ends after this year, while Durant is locked for 5 years. Is it really that hard to understand?

[SomeCallMeTim]

Also, are Lakaluva and Koolaid paid each time they make gay references in their posts or something?

[SouthTexasRancher]

For leading Team USA to gold....unlike some other dude who likes to lead them to LeBronze.


:tu

[midnightpulp]

Also, are Lakaluva and Koolaid paid each time they make gay references in their posts or something?

:lmao

[midnightpulp]

Are you paid for counting?

So you admit it?
:lol

[Ace]

The only time I've gotten paid from this site is when I took your money on a foolish bet on your part. Now, does he get paid to count mine and Kool's post.

No need to count just look at any one of kool's or your posts and your bound to find something homo or a youtube video.

[Gutter92]

You guys should stop slobbing over Durant's nuts. Although, I'm sure he likes male lovin, at best, he's a 3rd option on a good team. If he continues to work hard and avoid that fragile frame getting crushed, he can move into league of the Ray Allen's and Reggie Miller's. I'm actually being generous because I doubt he does this.

http://data.fuskbugg.se/skogsturken/-2zxtdh1.gif

[Ace]

Go check my last post...:lol

Its not to late to edit... :lol

[midnightpulp]

The only time I've gotten paid from this site is when I took your money on a foolish bet on your part. Now, does he get paid to count mine and Kool's post.

What does that have to do with you essentially admitting that you and Kool make homosexually charged comments towards each other?

It was easy money for you, though. Maybe if Bynum wasn't such a faggot I could've broke even.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

ESPN featured the FIBA championship and found a new star to hype. That's good for the NBA. I see the makings of future jealousy toward KD in this thread.

Future threads: Whos better, KD or KB? KD or LBJ?

LOL

[HarlemHeat37]

If you're not discrediting Durant, what's the purpose to make fun of his FG% in last season's playoff series against the Lakers? You're obviously trying to discredit Durant.

The purpose of making fun of his FG% is to mock the implication from the OP that Durant is even comparable to Lebron as a player in the NBA..bringing up his FG% in the playoffs is a separate point and has absolutely nothing to do with his run in a different, inferior league..it's an immature reaction to an immature OP..


And one could argue LeBron didn't "lead" a team to gold. He has been on a team that won gold. But it's absolutely clear that Durant led this team. When LeBron won gold, Wade was the leading scorer and Kobe was the closer. It's at the least arguable. The claim by the OP has merit depending how he views the 2008 Olympics.

Lebron has never been given the role that Durant was given during this tournament, for obvious reasons, due to having other high-usage players..

Lebron was also the clear #1 or #2 best player on the team with Wade, on a different level from any other players on the team, again, on a bigger state than this shitty FIBA tournament that was missing key players on other teams..so while he didn't have the same role as Durant, he was still clearly the best or co-best player on that team..

Either way, it's irrelevant..I didn't even claim that Lebron was as good as Durant during the tournament, all I said was that Lebron also has a Gold, which makes the comparison stupid..if he's claiming that Durant led a team to a Gold and Lebron didn't, it's not an accurate comparison..Lebron has never been given the role of the "leader" or "high usage" player on any of those teams, so it's technically impossible for him to have led these teams to medals..

[mystargtr34]

Durant hasn't had a chance to win an Olympic gold medal. LeBron is 1 for 2.

Here's the thing people sometimes forget. After Team USA failed in the 2004 Olympics, they had another chance to redeem themselves before the 2008 Olympics. In 2006, Team USA could have redeemed themselves. This time, LeBron and Wade and Carmelo were the leaders of the team. LeBron had already established himself as a superstar in the league, after his third NBA season, just like Durant this summer. Wade just got done winning a championship and a Finals MVP. Their team had more talent than this Team USA. They once again won bronze.

So trying to discredit what Durant did in these FIBA World championships is futile and frankly silly. LeBron + Wade + Carmelo couldn't do it in 2006. And Durant had far less help on this team.

Without checkin... i would assume the best player of each of the other competing nations were actually playing... unlike these world champs. That probably made a difference.

[crc21209]

Maybe it's me, but KD has homo written all over him. Most of you tend to love homo's so I'm sure this breaking news won't bother you at all.

:lol At this jealous guy...

[JamStone]

The purpose of making fun of his FG% is to mock the implication from the OP that Durant is even comparable to Lebron as a player in the NBA..bringing up his FG% in the playoffs is a separate point and has absolutely nothing to do with his run in a different, inferior league..it's an immature reaction to an immature OP..

Durant shot poorly from the field against a very good defensive team that ended up winning a championship.

LeBron has faced a few very good defensive teams that ended up winning championships in the playoffs in recent seasons. Against the Boston Celtics in 2008, LeBron shot 35% from the field for the series. In the 2007 NBA Finals, LeBron shot 36% from the field against the Spurs.

So immature joke or not, your criticism of Durant's FG% against the Lakers last season makes very little sense.




Lebron has never been given the role that Durant was given during this tournament, for obvious reasons, due to having other high-usage players..

Lebron was also the clear #1 or #2 best player on the team with Wade, on a different level from any other players on the team, again, on a bigger state than this shitty FIBA tournament that was missing key players on other teams..so while he didn't have the same role as Durant, he was still clearly the best or co-best player on that team..

Just because LeBron shared a leadership role, it doesn't mean he wasn't given the role. In the 2006 World Championships, LeBron was named captain of Team USA. He was the only player on the team to start all 9 games of the tournament. He averaged the most minutes of any player on the team.

In fact, LeBron was given more leadership responsibility than Durant was. Billups and Odom were the captains of Team USA this summer. Durant became the evident leader due to his play, not by given the role.



Either way, it's irrelevant..I didn't even claim that Lebron was as good as Durant during the tournament, all I said was that Lebron also has a Gold, which makes the comparison stupid..if he's claiming that Durant led a team to a Gold and Lebron didn't, it's not an accurate comparison..Lebron has never been given the role of the "leader" or "high usage" player on any of those teams, so it's technically impossible for him to have led these teams to medals..

The OP made a comment that Durant was able to lead a team to gold when someone else wasn't able to, obviously suggesting LeBron. It's not an inaccurate statement because LeBron failed to lead a Team USA to gold in 2006.

"High usage" isn't the only factor to determine leadership of a team, just like the player that scores the most isn't.

[Venti Quattro]

lol harlemheat hating on someone that's going to be definitely better than both mamba and robin in a year's time

i need to protect my star... MAHHHHH PREEEEHHHCIOOOOOUUSSSSS :cry

[TheMACHINE]

This thread was clearly made so jamstone can wtfpwn HarlemHo again.

Props to the OP.

[oh crap]

lol harlem. your schtick is consistent but you need to give it up already man. it's played out, maaan.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

This thread was clearly made so jamstone can wtfpwn HarlemHo again.

Props to the OP.

Lmao Jamstone once again proving why he is the deserving medal winner. I wonder if JS has owned HH's Ace AE yet?

[HarlemHeat37]

Durant shot poorly from the field against a very good defensive team that ended up winning a championship.

LeBron has faced a few very good defensive teams that ended up winning championships in the playoffs in recent seasons. Against the Boston Celtics in 2008, LeBron shot 35% from the field for the series. In the 2007 NBA Finals, LeBron shot 36% from the field against the Spurs.

So immature joke or not, your criticism of Durant's FG% against the Lakers last season makes very little sense.

And as I've said before, Lebron has had some completely dominant and historic series/games, including games vs. elite defensive teams, while Durant is completely unproven in the playoffs..his only playoff series of his career was extremely bad for a superstar player, which makes it puzzling as to why he's being crowned already..

As I have said many times, I wouldn't be surprised if Durant becomes a playoff performer, but right now, he isn't..I find him to be overrated due to the fact that he isn't a playmaker, and the fact that he's completely unproven in big games..



Just because LeBron shared a leadership role, it doesn't mean he wasn't given the role. In the 2006 World Championships, LeBron was named captain of Team USA. He was the only player on the team to start all 9 games of the tournament. He averaged the most minutes of any player on the team.

In fact, LeBron was given more leadership responsibility than Durant was. Billups and Odom were the captains of Team USA this summer. Durant became the evident leader due to his play, not by given the role.

My point had nothing to do with which player was "given" a certain role..

My point is that Lebron on any international team has never been given even nearly the same amount of responsibility as Durant was given during this tournament, which makes it a poor comparison in regards to their roles IMO..



The OP made a comment that Durant was able to lead a team to gold when someone else wasn't able to, obviously suggesting LeBron. It's not an inaccurate statement because LeBron failed to lead a Team USA to gold in 2006.

It's irrelevant though, because I can argue that Lebron WAS the best player on the 2008 Olympics team..if you're going to completely ignore their respective responsibilities, I can just make a simple statement like Lebron was the best player on a team that won Gold in 2008..

If you want to actually compare, it's pointless..

Not only were their roles different, but Lebron faced much better competition than Durant did..

The 2006 Greek team was levels better than the 2010 Greek team, 2006 Argentina had prime Ginobili and Nocioni on the team, the 2006 German team had Nowitzki, and the champions Spain had Pau Gasol..not exactly comparable..


"High usage" isn't the only factor to determine leadership of a team, just like the player that scores the most isn't.

By "leadership", I mean the best player on a team..Lebron having to share the role with players like Wade and Kobe, and even Bosh and Howard, makes it arguable as to which players performed the best during the 2008 tournament..IMO it was Lebron, thus making my comment valid, and making the OP's comment to be false, obviously in my eyes..

Durant has a role that leaves no doubt as to which player is the best on his team, because he has no other great players to share the role with..he had by far the highest usage, and he was the only player to average double-digits in scoring IIRC..

As I said, I can make the argument that Lebron was the best player on the 2008 team..

Also, once again, I'm not even arguing that Lebron was better than Durant in International play, I'm not even saying Lebron was as good..I just believe Lebron has been the best or co-best player on a Gold medal team(with much better competition), so I don't think the OP's original claim is valid..

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Laker fans piggy-backing on Jamstone again..

Last time that me and Jammy got in an argument, they piggy backed the shit out of him..Jamstone then admitted that I got the best of him in that argument(he's gotten the best of me many times as well, I'm just using this as an example, not shit talking), and Laker fan stopped posting in the thread:lol..

They really need to learn how to argue for themselves..

[HarlemHeat37]

http://carltonjordan.com/2010/04/02/kevin-durant-is-an-m-v-p-most-vicious-pimples/

http://www.celebacne.com/2010/02/kevin-durant-acne.html

:(:(:(

[oh crap]

quit cheapening yourself while you can harlem. living off of gasses on your schtick can only last so long. i've seen laker and mav fan with better sensibilities recently. at least know your limit, bro.

[oh crap]

I get that you're trolling, I do. but you're taking it too far. waaaay too far.

[Koolaid_Man]

Also, are Lakaluva and Koolaid paid each time they make gay references in their posts or something?


Let me explain this game to you homie...Kool and Luva are cut from two separate lines of cloth reppin the Lakers...that Homo shit is for you fags...

Like PAC and Snoop...since you guys been wondering well here we are 2 of ST's most wanted: :toast:toast:toast

BL6dWDfs5x8

[JamStone]

And as I've said before, Lebron has had some completely dominant and historic series/games, including games vs. elite defensive teams, while Durant is completely unproven in the playoffs..his only playoff series of his career was extremely bad for a superstar player, which makes it puzzling as to why he's being crowned already..

As I have said many times, I wouldn't be surprised if Durant becomes a playoff performer, but right now, he isn't..I find him to be overrated due to the fact that he isn't a playmaker, and the fact that he's completely unproven in big games..

I'd say a 29 point, 19 rebound game in a win against the eventual NBA champions is a pretty dominant game. If you're going to try to prop up James for individual playoff games, you could do the same for Durant. Thing is Durant has only had one playoff series under his belt. LeBron has a dozen or so. I could make the argument that LeBron can't touch Richard Jefferson because Jefferson has had a very good performance in an NBA Finals win whereas LeBron is unproven in the NBA Finals and hadn't even won a game. But does that make sense? It's a similar argument as yours.





My point had nothing to do with which player was "given" a certain role..

My point is that Lebron on any international team has never been given even nearly the same amount of responsibility as Durant was given during this tournament, which makes it a poor comparison in regards to their roles IMO..

It's not a poor comparison just because the situations aren't exactly the same. Are you one to agree with Laker fans that LeBron can't be considered the best in the game since he doesn't have a championship?

You can absolutely make a comparison between LeBron and Durant because both played on Team USA squads while they were considered among the elite players in the league. The comparison is valid. Just because you particularly want to focus on a difference, it doesn't make the comparison poor. The comparison is fine. And what's more is that LeBron was "given" more responsibility than Durant on their respective teams. Durant took on responsibility by his play on the court rather than actually being given any of that leadership or responsibility.



It's irrelevant though, because I can argue that Lebron WAS the best player on the 2008 Olympics team..if you're going to completely ignore their respective responsibilities, I can just make a simple statement like Lebron was the best player on a team that won Gold in 2008..

You can argue that if you want. But the thing is that it's arguable and arguable only. There's no denying or refuting that Durant was the best player on this 2010 FIBA tournament Team USA squad. It's not even close to being questionable. You could argue LeBron was the best player on the 2008 USA team. But there are plenty of people with plenty of arguments that will tell you he was not.



If you want to actually compare, it's pointless..

Not only were their roles different, but Lebron faced much better competition than Durant did..

The 2006 Greek team was levels better than the 2010 Greek team, 2006 Argentina had prime Ginobili and Nocioni on the team, the 2006 German team had Nowitzki, and the champions Spain had Pau Gasol..not exactly comparable..

Not pointless. You just don't want to admit LeBron couldn't do in 2006 what Durant did these past couple weeks even though LeBron had a much more stacked team.

And why on earth would you mention competition, especially Dirk and Germany and Pau and Spain? Dirk aside, Germany's squad in 2006 sucked. And Team USA didn't even play Spain in the 2006 FIBA world championship tournament. Why mention Spain as better competition than this year when Team USA didn't even play Spain in 2006? Moreover, the only time Team USA could have played Spain would have been in the gold medal match had Team USA not lost to Greece, and in the gold medal match, Pau Gasol didn't even play because he got injured in the semis. So your "competition" argument is even sillier. Let's talk about that great 2006 competition and how you dwell on Dirk and Gasol and Ginobili and Team USA got beat by a Greece team that didn't even have an NBA player on their roster.





By "leadership", I mean the best player on a team..Lebron having to share the role with players like Wade and Kobe, and even Bosh and Howard, makes it arguable as to which players performed the best during the 2008 tournament..IMO it was Lebron, thus making my comment valid, and making the OP's comment to be false, obviously in my eyes..

Durant has a role that leaves no doubt as to which player is the best on his team, because he has no other great players to share the role with..he had by far the highest usage, and he was the only player to average double-digits in scoring IIRC..

Lol do you like making arguments against yourself? LeBron had Wade, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh among others on that 2006 team but somehow you're still trying to discredit Durant when the next best players on this Team USA squad were arguably Lamar Odom and Chauncey Billups. How on earth does that make any sense?

It's not a matter of "player usage" or having to share the leadership role. Team USA in 2006 LOST. There would essentially be no debate if Team USA didn't lose in 2006. But they lost. with more talent. To a team that didn't have NBA players. Durant led a team, not by any given leadership role. He led by his performance on the court. He was the best player on the team and in the tournament because of his play on the court. That's more than what LeBron did in 2006. It's even more than what LeBron did in 2008 when Team USA took Olympic gold.

You try to skew things to make it hard for LeBron to have shined because he had better teammates. To me, LeBron having better teammates and still losing makes what Durant did these past couple weeks more amazing.



As I said, I can make the argument that Lebron was the best player on the 2008 team..

Also, once again, I'm not even arguing that Lebron was better than Durant in International play, I'm not even saying Lebron was as good..I just believe Lebron has been the best or co-best player on a Gold medal team(with much better competition), so I don't think the OP's original claim is valid..

You could make the argument. But it's merely an arguable claim that is easily and readily refutable and debatable.

The OP's original claim has more validity than some of your arguments and points you've presented. Kevin Durant led a team to gold. LeBron has failed to lead a team to gold in 2006 and wasn't clearly the leader in 2008.

While that last point is admittedly debatable, the fact that it's debatable makes the original claim by the OP a valid enough point for you not to call it a stupid comparison. When LeBron was leader of a Team USA squad in a FIBA World Championship tournament, the team lost and failed to win gold. The comparison is valid.

[JamStone]

:lol Laker fans piggy-backing on Jamstone again..

Last time that me and Jammy got in an argument, they piggy backed the shit out of him..Jamstone then admitted that I got the best of him in that argument(he's gotten the best of me many times as well, I'm just using this as an example, not shit talking), and Laker fan stopped posting in the thread:lol..

They really need to learn how to argue for themselves..

"Besting me" in that argument is a bit much, Harlem. I acquiesced that your claim that LeBron was a better three point shooter off the dribble than Kobe was correct based on the statistical information you gave that you failed to cite with any resources or links. On your word, I acquiesced on a tangental point that LeBron was a better isolation and off the dribble three point shooter last season. You did have to go "mogrovejo" in order to argue your side.

And at the end, I still disagreed that LeBron was a better three point shooter. Kobe had a better three point percentage than LeBron last season, so you were still wrong. Earlier in that thread, you bottom lined things with no evidence saying LeBron was the better three point shooter, period. I merely pointed out that he wasn't.

You have an interesting definition of "besting" another in an argument when you only prove one point correct, when it wasn't even the actual point of issue of the argument, but a tangent. But your tangent point turned out right, based on your mogrovejo stats.

And at the end of the day, I'd still take Kobe over LeBron when it comes to three point shooting.

[picc84]

Oden Not Yet Cleared For Scrimmages (http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69089/20100913/oden_not_yet_cleared_for_scrimmages/)
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Trail Blazers center Greg Oden has not been cleared to participate in five-on-five scrimmages this week.

.....

"We're going to ease him into it ... maybe do some two-on-two or three-on-three, instead of up-and down five-on-five," Portland general manager Rich Cho said. "I'm hoping he'll be cleared to do that in the next couple of weeks."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69089/20100913/oden_not_yet_cleared_for_scrimmages/#ixzz0zQGu05cs

[resistanze]

Oden Not Yet Cleared For Scrimmages (http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69089/20100913/oden_not_yet_cleared_for_scrimmages/)
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Oden_Greg_por.jpg

:lol You evil as fuck.

[hater]

:lmao ^

[hater]

Kevin Durant, best player in the NBA by far. He is so much better than any other player it is starting to reminisce of the Jordan years.

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol Laker fans piggy-backing on Jamstone again..

Last time that Jammy fucked the shit out of me, they piggy backed the shit out of him..


Fixed...

[JamStone]

Honestly, everything you post has to do with gay sex.

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Koolaid_Man]

Honestly, everything you post has to do with gay sex.

What the hell is wrong with you?


settle down settle down..and untwist your panties...:lol

he did this to himself..."Jammy" really Jammy...just like Timmy I guess...

and you're being intellectually dishonest...did you not see all the vids I posted of LA Erotica...lest I remind you...:

NFI7zNZfUg0 Nco5gfJKLK4

[Cry Havoc]

Fixed...

You're a stupidly obvious troll, and your shtick was old the day you got here.

[Koolaid_Man]

You're a stupidly obvious troll, and your shtick was old the day you got here.


just as old as Tim Duncan's tongue ring? as soon as I find of picture of it..llok out man...:lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3244808

[Cry Havoc]

just as old as Tim Duncan's tongue ring? as soon as I find of picture of it..llok out man...:lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3244808

That's all you got? :rolleyes

Protip: Good trolls are creative.

[Koolaid_Man]

That's all you got? :rolleyes

Protip: Good trolls are creative.


you got something? :lol

dangling a carrot for Kool aye? no thanks...however, I'm working on footage of David Robinson getting knocked the fucked out by Karl Malone...the convulsions and shaking...it was awesome...:lmao

[ezau]

When everything's said and done, KD will surpass whatever Kobe has achieved in his career.

[Koolaid_Man]

Video, please??? I need a new sig. I got the one with Malone drop kicking Timmy in the face, but not that one.


I'm working on it...that one's a hard one...should be ready soon...from what I remember it was some pretty disturbing shit for Spur fan...Robinson lay on the floor foaming at the mouth...it was a thing of pure beauty....:lol

[j-money24]

kobe is old

And still the best...

[ezau]

And still the best...

at riding someone else's coattails, tee hee.

[Killakobe81]

When everything's said and done, KD will surpass whatever Kobe has achieved in his career.

He might. It's not impossible or a huge stretch to think he will. He has a long way to go ...but I think if he stays healthy he has a good a shot as any young player of surpassing Kobe, outside of Lebron.

[nkdlunch]

When everything's said and done, KD will surpass whatever Kobe has achieved in his career.

and he might do it without the constant help of a HOF bigman, and collusion

[Venti Quattro]

lol spurs fans crying collusion

[TheMACHINE]

Gasol is going to be in the HoF?

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao

Let me know when it's out the oven. I'll create a thread for it.:toast


My Asian buddy with access to 3rd world (offshore) servers is still working on this one...hopefully we'll crack it soon...

Not many copies in production because Jazz officials refused to allow the replay to be shown in the stadium on the big screens. They were afraid that Jazz fans would turn against Malone. However, for now, I do have a consolation prize in Black & White and in Color that you can use in your sig...:toast

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/malonerobsinson.png

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/19709.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/19773.jpg

[ezau]

and he might do it without the constant help of a HOF bigman, and collusion

He has already proven that by winning almost singlehandedly in this year's worlds. The guy is obviously no Robin unlike Kobe who has spent a majority of his career being someone else's sidekick.

[ezau]

Robinson took an inadvertent elbow from Malone, whereas Kobe gets bitchslapped by a right cross against a smaller man. What a pussy:toast

http://imkeithhernandez.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/knockout_kobe__childs.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd say a 29 point, 19 rebound game in a win against the eventual NBA champions is a pretty dominant game. If you're going to try to prop up James for individual playoff games, you could do the same for Durant. Thing is Durant has only had one playoff series under his belt. LeBron has a dozen or so. I could make the argument that LeBron can't touch Richard Jefferson because Jefferson has had a very good performance in an NBA Finals win whereas LeBron is unproven in the NBA Finals and hadn't even won a game. But does that make sense? It's a similar argument as yours.

It's not similar, their roles were completely different, so were their supporting casts..

Lebron has beaten an elite team in the playoffs with dominance, and he's even done it with mediocre teammates..yes, he's failed as well, but he has also proven himself, unlike Durant..








You can absolutely make a comparison between LeBron and Durant because both played on Team USA squads while they were considered among the elite players in the league. The comparison is valid. Just because you particularly want to focus on a difference, it doesn't make the comparison poor. The comparison is fine. And what's more is that LeBron was "given" more responsibility than Durant on their respective teams. Durant took on responsibility by his play on the court rather than actually being given any of that leadership or responsibility.




You can argue that if you want. But the thing is that it's arguable and arguable only. There's no denying or refuting that Durant was the best player on this 2010 FIBA tournament Team USA squad. It's not even close to being questionable. You could argue LeBron was the best player on the 2008 USA team. But there are plenty of people with plenty of arguments that will tell you he was not.




Not pointless. You just don't want to admit LeBron couldn't do in 2006 what Durant did these past couple weeks even though LeBron had a much more stacked team.

And why on earth would you mention competition, especially Dirk and Germany and Pau and Spain? Dirk aside, Germany's squad in 2006 sucked. And Team USA didn't even play Spain in the 2006 FIBA world championship tournament. Why mention Spain as better competition than this year when Team USA didn't even play Spain in 2006? Moreover, the only time Team USA could have played Spain would have been in the gold medal match had Team USA not lost to Greece, and in the gold medal match, Pau Gasol didn't even play because he got injured in the semis. So your "competition" argument is even sillier. Let's talk about that great 2006 competition and how you dwell on Dirk and Gasol and Ginobili and Team USA got beat by a Greece team that didn't even have an NBA player on their roster.






Lol do you like making arguments against yourself? LeBron had Wade, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh among others on that 2006 team but somehow you're still trying to discredit Durant when the next best players on this Team USA squad were arguably Lamar Odom and Chauncey Billups. How on earth does that make any sense?

It's not a matter of "player usage" or having to share the leadership role. Team USA in 2006 LOST. There would essentially be no debate if Team USA didn't lose in 2006. But they lost. with more talent. To a team that didn't have NBA players. Durant led a team, not by any given leadership role. He led by his performance on the court. He was the best player on the team and in the tournament because of his play on the court. That's more than what LeBron did in 2006. It's even more than what LeBron did in 2008 when Team USA took Olympic gold.

You try to skew things to make it hard for LeBron to have shined because he had better teammates. To me, LeBron having better teammates and still losing makes what Durant did these past couple weeks more amazing.




You could make the argument. But it's merely an arguable claim that is easily and readily refutable and debatable.

The OP's original claim has more validity than some of your arguments and points you've presented. Kevin Durant led a team to gold. LeBron has failed to lead a team to gold in 2006 and wasn't clearly the leader in 2008.

While that last point is admittedly debatable, the fact that it's debatable makes the original claim by the OP a valid enough point for you not to call it a stupid comparison. When LeBron was leader of a Team USA squad in a FIBA World Championship tournament, the team lost and failed to win gold. The comparison is valid.

You have completely turned this argument into an argument I wasn't trying to get into..I never turned this into a Lebron vs. Durant International success argument, but that's what you have forced me into(in case you say that I tried to make the argument comparing them)..again, like I said, I don't think Lebron played better than Durant in the Fiba tournament..

My original point stands though..Lebron has been the best player on an actual Olympic Gold medal team IMO(against better competition), so I don't buy the OP's argument that he hasn't, even if it's arguable as to whether Lebron was the best player or not..IMO he has, thus making my comment valid..

I can agree that Lebron failed to lead the 2006 team to a Gold medal(against tougher competition), it doesn't really change my point that Lebron has been the best player on a Gold medal team in 2008(IMO), even if he failed once prior..

If you're getting technical here, then I can agree that Lebron hasn't done exactly what Durant did, which was be the unquestioned best player on a Gold medal team..however, you can say the same thing about Jordan, Kobe and all the other greats that have been on Gold medal teams in the past..thus making his point stupid and pointless IMO, and a weak attempted shot at Lebron..

[HarlemHeat37]

"Besting me" in that argument is a bit much, Harlem. I acquiesced that your claim that LeBron was a better three point shooter off the dribble than Kobe was correct based on the statistical information you gave that you failed to cite with any resources or links. On your word, I acquiesced on a tangental point that LeBron was a better isolation and off the dribble three point shooter last season. You did have to go "mogrovejo" in order to argue your side.

And at the end, I still disagreed that LeBron was a better three point shooter. Kobe had a better three point percentage than LeBron last season, so you were still wrong. Earlier in that thread, you bottom lined things with no evidence saying LeBron was the better three point shooter, period. I merely pointed out that he wasn't.

You have an interesting definition of "besting" another in an argument when you only prove one point correct, when it wasn't even the actual point of issue of the argument, but a tangent. But your tangent point turned out right, based on your mogrovejo stats.

And at the end of the day, I'd still take Kobe over LeBron when it comes to three point shooting.

Um..

- Your argument was that you have to account for the types of 3-point shots these players take, not just spot-up shooting..you attempted to use this argument in Kobe's favor, and I used your own argument against you in Lebron's favor..I proved you wrong using your own argument/criteria, yet you're still in Kobe's favor here?..

- "Mogrovejo stats"?..they're the most accurate NBA stats you can find, they describe games and every time of scenario..you can't really find stats that are more accurate than these..

- You're saying Kobe is a better 3-point shooter, despite the fact that Lebron fits the personal criteria you described for your argument..that doesn't really make any sense, and the only thing you have going for you is Kobe's slight advantage in overall 3-point % for the entire year, despite taking a lot easier shots..

- I proved one point to be correct?..the only point you had in the argument was that Kobe had a better overall 3-point shooting by .03% or something similar..I proved to you that Lebron took a much higher amount of difficult shots, yet only finished behind Kobe by a few .% points..


I even explained my reasoning for using the term "besting" so that you wouldn't take it personally, apparently you disagree though..fair enough, but I completely disagree..I absolutely had that argument in my favor IMO..

[JamStone]

It's not similar, their roles were completely different, so were their supporting casts..

Lebron has beaten an elite team in the playoffs with dominance, and he's even done it with mediocre teammates..yes, he's failed as well, but he has also proven himself, unlike Durant..

Their roles were pretty similar. Again, Durant only has had one opportunity in the playoffs.

You seem content to compare Durant's one playoff performance to LeBron's but you're crying, bitching, and moaning about comparing Durant's FIBA performance to LeBron's FIBA experience in 2006.




You have completely turned this argument into an argument I wasn't trying to get into..I never turned this into a Lebron vs. Durant International success argument, but that's what you have forced me into(in case you say that I tried to make the argument comparing them)..again, like I said, I don't think Lebron played better than Durant in the Fiba tournament..

You did when you took offense to the original post and responded that LeBron had a gold medal. That precipitates the argument.



My original point stands though..Lebron has been the best player on an actual Olympic Gold medal team IMO(against better competition), so I don't buy the OP's argument that he hasn't, even if it's arguable as to whether Lebron was the best player or not..IMO he has, thus making my comment valid..

I can agree that Lebron failed to lead the 2006 team to a Gold medal(against tougher competition), it doesn't really change my point that Lebron has been the best player on a Gold medal team in 2008(IMO), even if he failed once prior..

Here are the problems. Being the best player on that gold medal team does not mean LeBron led that team to gold. The original post was about "leading" a team to gold. First, it's again merely and only arguable that LeBron was the best player on that Olympic Gold medal Team USA in 2008. He wasn't the leading scorer (Wade was), he wasn't the most efficient (Wade, Bosh, and Dwight were more efficient), he wasn't the leading assist maker (Chris Paul was), he wasn't the leader on defense (Kobe was), and he didn't close out the Gold Medal game, the only close game when everything was on the line (Kobe did). So, there are strong arguments that LeBron was neither the best player nor the leader of that gold medal Olympic team.

And again, because it's only "arguable" and the fact that LeBron failed to lead his team to gold in 2006, the original post has more validity than a lot of what you've argued in your posts in this thread.

And yes, LeBron failed to lead the 2006 Team USA to FIBA World Champion gold (with a much more stacked team than Durant had).



If you're getting technical here, then I can agree that Lebron hasn't done exactly what Durant did, which was be the unquestioned best player on a Gold medal team..however, you can say the same thing about Jordan, Kobe and all the other greats that have been on Gold medal teams in the past..thus making his point stupid and pointless IMO, and a weak attempted shot at Lebron..

Well you can't say the same thing about Jordan. Jordan was the unquestioned best player on the 1992 Dream Team.

And let's not get into a discussion about being "technical." You yourself used "technical" arguments in this thread, trying to draw small distinctions between LeBron and Durant to make the comparison not apply.

[Chieflion]

The entire Olympic roster claimed that Barkley was the best player in the 1992 Olympics.

[JamStone]

Um..

It's not worth revisiting the argument. I gave you due credit for the statistical information you provided. But yeah, it's not worth getting back into the argument.

I will ask...



- "Mogrovejo stats"?..they're the most accurate NBA stats you can find, they describe games and every time of scenario..you can't really find stats that are more accurate than these..

What are these "most accurate NBA stats you can find" and where was the source and link you can find them at?

[JamStone]

The entire Olympic roster claimed that Barkley was the best player in the 1992 Olympics.

Ok. I hadn't heard that before. Honestly. Good info.

[Chieflion]

Ok. I hadn't heard that before. Honestly. Good info.

Barkley was the player who lead the team in scoring with a high efficiency while Jordan had a miserable performance in the Olympics with less than 50% FG%.

At the 1992 Dream Team induction to the Hall of Fame, Magic and Bird both said Charles was the best player on that team with his play.

[Chieflion]

Ok. I hadn't heard that before. Honestly. Good info.

Barkley was the player who lead the team in scoring with a high efficiency while Jordan had a miserable performance in the Olympics with less than 50% FG%.

At the 1992 Dream Team induction to the Hall of Fame, Magic and Bird both said Charles was the best player on that team with his play. No one else disagreed.