Parker tells Facebook world he'll return to international competition next summer

[ace3g]

Jeff McDonald JMcDonald_SAEN

Premature speculation, but #spurs Parker tells Facebook world he'll return to international competition next summer: http://bit.ly/9pV011

[lefty]

Trade his ass

[4>0rings]

Seriously, trade him. He's all speed and is getting slower as each year goes by.

[Mel_13]

Here comes the "trade Parker" crew.:lol

Next summer could be very interesting. If there is a lockout, will NBA free agents remain devoted to their national teams without the security of a guaranteed NBA contract?

[hater]

If Parker does not return to 2008 form by midseason I am for trading him before his trade value plummets even further.

If he does return to 2008 form, let him do whatever he wants.

[Parker2112]

Makes me wonder if he is trying to reduce his market value to ensure the Spurs' most attractive option is an extension. Scare teams off with all the NT talk. Just a thought.

[Hooks]

Tony has talked about it a couple of times already, I don't think the Spurs should re-sign him.

Why I wouldn't want the Spurs to re-sign Parker:

He'll probably want a lot of money, we all saw last year how he under-performed after being fatigued. Parker is not worth what he'll probably be asking for if he keeps on repeating the process of playing for his NT and being fatigued every season.

He's getting older, his game relies entirely on his speed. Not only will playing for his NT fatigue him, but he'll decline even faster with no rest during the summer.

I can't see the Spurs beating LA/MIA with their stacked teams, Duncan will retire soon and the Spurs will be done contending after that. Re-signing Parker would mean that our team would be just mediocre each season, but if we don't have him our team would be really bad which would lead to us getting much better draft picks. The Spurs are very good at drafting players, they could draft a future NBA star with a draft pick that low.

This Spurs team has a lot of good young players, we could add even more through the draft lottery. We could have a team loaded with young talent like the Thunder or Blazers, this would allow the Spurs to contend for years, I don't know about yall but that sounds great to me.

[cantthinkofanything]

This will make the Scola fiasco look petty if they let Parker walk without getting any value. I have to think the Spurs office is smart enough to read between the lines and if needed, move TP.

[Parker2112]

I wouldnt be pissed if the Spurs keep him. I think he is a huge asset, but I wouldnt be pissed if we got some clutch shooters/defenders for him either.

I would be pissed if he gets the extension and then plays summer ball and comes back feeling/looking like crap, circa 2009.

[Mel_13]

Makes me wonder if he is trying to reduce his market value to ensure the Spurs' most attractive option is an extension. Scare teams off with all the NT talk. Just a thought.

There is never any advantage for any player to intentionally reduce his market value.

[Parker2112]

There is never any advantage for any player to intentionally reduce his market value.

Youre probably right. I cant tell what his motives are here. But he definitely has some. Its either to 1. scare off suitors (as you say not likely) or 2. to scare off/piss off/tell-em-to-screw-off/Timmy's-old-and-I'm-not-get-me-outta-here/1/2-of-Spursfans-hate-me-and-I-want-out/find his exit from Spurs.

[in2deep]

another week another Parker hate thread :rolleyes

[Parker2112]

another week another Parker hate thread :rolleyes

I dont see a lot of hate here.

[Mel_13]

Youre probably right. I cant tell what his motives are here. But he definitely has some. Its either to 1. scare off suitors (as you say not likely) or 2. to scare off/piss off/tell-em-to-screw-off/Timmy's-old-and-I'm-not-get-me-outta-here/1/2-of-Spursfans-hate-me-and-I-want-out/find his exit from Spurs.

Whether you love Tony or hate him, he's always been brutally honest and incredibly confident. I'm sure he believes that he'll play well this season and get his asking price (whether from the Spurs or another team) no matter what he plans to do in the future with the French NT.

[Parker2112]

Whether you love Tony or hate him, he's always been brutally honest and incredibly confident. I'm sure he believes that he'll play well this season and get his asking price (whether from the Spurs or another team) no matter what he plans to do in the future with the French NT.

Thats a credible take. However, I think there is a concerted effort in these press releases/interviews. He has never publicized his plans to this extent in the past. He is applying pressure here.

[Kermit]

I don't hate the guy. If he doesn't sign an extension by the trade deadline, then bye. It'll be a 70 cents for a dollar type trade, but it's better than getting nothing at all.

[Mel_13]

I don't hate the guy. If he doesn't sign an extension by the trade deadline, then bye. It'll be a 70 cents for a dollar type trade, but it's better than getting nothing at all.

Except that there's really no danger of that. See Toronto, Cleveland, Utah, and Phoenix in the summer of 2010. All lost max or near max players and none came away empty handed.

[Cane]

Not exactly surprising news; both Manu and Tony have already expressed that they would play for their NT's in the coming summers. Both guys are incredibly patriotic (like old school Americans) and are arguably the most important players for their international teams. Their talent is enough to be the difference maker in a single game elimination tournament.

[DesignatedT]

Didn't we already know this.

[Parker2112]

Didn't we already know this.

So why does Parker keep hammering the message home? :wakeup

[PDXSpursFan]

Trade his ass to Portland now for LaMarcus Aldridge :smokin

[Mel_13]

So why does Parker keep hammering the message home? :wakeup

:lol

Conspiracy theories.

[dbreiden83080]

Great

So we can get rid of him after this year..

[gospursgojas]

OKC should trade Durant too bc he will most definitely play in 2012 Olympics

[Parker2112]

:lol

Conspiracy theories.

Its no conspiracy. Its pretty much the same public negotiation that every major free agent in every major sport engages in. Nothing to see here.

Other than Parker is seeking to affect his contract negotiations through pr, something that Manu/Timmy/DRob never really did TMK.

Could be he doesnt have the same loyalty or the same peice of mind... IDK. Based on his shaky relations with the front office and Pop, from them calling him home last summer, to his public outbursts at the time, to his benching in the playoffs, I could understand it if he didnt feel totally loyal or secure in his future here.

[DesignatedT]

So why does Parker keep hammering the message home? :wakeup

I don't know. Maybe because he has hundreds of thousands of fans he would like to tell and he probably feels guilty to his country for not participating. I really don't understand what the big deal is. Manu has repeated several times already that he planning to play for his national team again also.

[Parker2112]

OKC should trade Durant too bc he will most definitely play in 2012 Olympics

Durant is super-young and hasnt shown any signs of breaking down. When he reaches Tony's age and has a year like Tony did last year, I'm sure that answer will be a little less conclusory.

[DesignatedT]

It has nothing to do with contract negotiations and everything to do with his reputation in France. Most his fans are from that country and he feels he let them down and now he is making it known that he will play for them next year....

[gospursgojas]

I don't know. Maybe because he has hundreds of thousands of fans he would like to tell and he probably feels guilty to his country for not participating. I really don't understand what the big deal is. Manu has repeated several times already that he planning to play for his national team again also.

:tu

They are basketball players...its what they do.

Im not ok with Parker "hinting" and NY (if those reports were even true) but I cant hold a ball player wanting to play ball for his country against him

[Mel_13]

Its no conspiracy. Its pretty much the same public negotiation that every major free agent in every major sport engages in. Nothing to see here.

Other than Parker is seeking to affect his contract negotiations through pr, something that Manu/Timmy/DRob never really did TMK.

Could be he doesnt have the same loyalty or the same peice of mind... IDK. Based on his shaky relations with the front office and Pop, from them calling him home last summer, to his public outbursts at the time, to his benching in the playoffs, I could understand it if he didnt feel totally loyal or secure in his future here.

:lol

Well, that's certainly an alternate view of reality. The main problem with that view, however, is your inability to articulate any reasonable objective that Parker may have that fits all of these so-called facts.

[DesignatedT]

Durant is super-young and hasnt shown any signs of breaking down. When he reaches Tony's age and has a year like Tony did last year, I'm sure that answer will be a little less conclusory.

You're right Tony had a bad year... exactly why he didn't play this summer.......He did exactly what the FO told him to do.

Manu did the same thing with injury prone years and then went on to play with his national team to only make matters worse.. yet I don't see you mentioning anything about him.

[dbreiden83080]

It has nothing to do with contract negotiations and everything to do with his reputation in France. Most his fans are from that country and he feels he let them down and now he is making it known that he will play for them next year....

IF he does he can flush a new big deal right down the drain in the NBA. He is throwing away his prime by beating his body up like this every summer. NBA teams are not shelling out a big deal for him when he is 28 with the body of a 35 year old..

[Mel_13]

IF he does he can flush a new big deal right down the drain in the NBA. He is throwing away his prime by beating his body up like this every summer. NBA teams are not shelling out a big deal for him when he is 28 with the body of a 35 year old..


If he returns to his 2008-09 form, he'll get paid.

[DesignatedT]

IF he does he can flush a new big deal right down the drain in the NBA. He is throwing away his prime by beating his body up like this every summer. NBA teams are not shelling out a big deal for him when he is 28 with the body of a 35 year old..

Well seeing he is 4 years younger than Manu, I'm sure he is using him as a perfect example and Manu playing for his National Team (and even getting hurt way worse than Tony has) still landed him a max contract this summer at 32 years of age. Tony sees this and knows this.

[gospursgojas]

Durant is super-young and hasnt shown any signs of breaking down. When he reaches Tony's age and has a year like Tony did last year, I'm sure that answer will be a little less conclusory.

I disagree.

I think fans get upset when their players play for their home country's team and not so much when they play for USA.

If George Hill was invited to play for Team USA would you have the same problem?

[benefactor]

Old news.

:wakeup

[dbreiden83080]

If he returns to his 2008-09 form, he'll get paid.

He'll only return to that form because he had a year off. No point in paying him if he is going right back to the very thing that caused his level of play to plummett..

[DesignatedT]

He'll only return to that form because he had a year off. No point in paying him if he is going right back to the very thing that caused his level of play to plummett..

so we shouldn't have paid manu?

[Mel_13]

He'll only return to that form because he had a year off. No point in paying him if he is going right back to the very thing that caused his level of play to plummett..

Perhaps so, but he'll get paid. Whether that turns out to be a bad choice for the FO that signs him is irrelevant to my point. If he returns to form, he'll get paid.

[dbreiden83080]

so we shouldn't have paid manu?



He'll get paid but i don't expect the number to be as high if he is 100% serious about playing next summer. He'll be 29 and want like a 5 or 6 year deal. Would you give him near max money given his trouble staying healthy when he plays in the summer? I sure wouldn't..

[DesignatedT]

He'll get paid but i don't expect the number to be as high if he is 100% serious about playing next summer. He'll be 29 and want like a 5 or 6 year deal. Would you give him near max money given his trouble staying healthy when he plays in the summer? I sure wouldn't..

I don't know. It's a pretty tough spot depending on the amount he wants. I definitely don't think were better off without him here, I'll say that.

[phxspurfan]

conclusory



:reading

[Mel_13]

He'll get paid but i don't expect the number to be as high if he is 100% serious about playing next summer. He'll be 29 and want like a 5 or 6 year deal. Would you give him near max money given his trouble staying healthy when he plays in the summer? I sure wouldn't..

I agree with this and I believe the Spurs do as well. In fact, I think this accounts for Tony's public stance that he is not interested in an extension. I believe the Spurs told him that they're not ready to discuss anything other than a team-friendly extension now and that they're content to wait for the spring as they did with Manu. Rather than answer the same questions over and over again as Manu did last season, Tony has shut off that line of questioning by saying that he's not interested.

[Parker2112]

I agree with this and I believe the Spurs do as well. In fact, I think this accounts for Tony's public stance that he is not interested in an extension. I believe the Spurs told him that they're not ready to discuss anything other than a team-friendly extension now and that they're content to wait for the spring as they did with Manu. Rather than answer the same questions over and over again as Manu did last season, Tony has shut off that line of questioning by saying that he's not interested.

solid take.

[ogait]

Weather he plays or not for France should be irrelevant for the Spurs decision to trade him or extend him.

What matter is can the Spurs ever get enough value back from a Tony Parker trade. The answer is NO like it was whenever any similar discussion happened regarding Ginobili being traded. They are just too valuable for the Spurs compared to anything the other teams are willing to give back.
Therefore I'm definitely opposed to any trade involving Parker during this season and it also doesn't make sense given the long terms deals the Spurs made with Jefferson and Bonner. The spurs goal is to put the best possible team around Duncan until his retirement even if they don't come even close to contenders.

Now what we Spurs fans should know is that it will be Tony Parker decision by next year and there's not much that can be done about it.
Will he be willing to play for the Spurs from 2011 on knowing Tim will probably be gone by 2012 and Manu in 2013? I honestly can't hold anything against him if he decides to go play elsewhere because he doesn't want to play the rest of his prime on a rebuilding/irrelevant team.

There is not much more the Spurs can do other than wait.

[mabrignani]

after the spurs win it all this year all yall parker haters will be on his dick.

[cantthinkofanything]

after the spurs win it all this year all yall parker haters will be on his dick.

and after a couple of drinks, your mom will be on everyone's dicks

[mabrignani]

and after a couple of drinks, your mom will be on everyone's dicks

your mom is gonna be on my dick? whats new?

[Bruno]

Like it or not but Parker's commitment to play for his NT is at an all time high.

He will play next summer. He even said that he will played if he is without a contract during the Eurobasket. While in the past, he said that 2012 could be the end of his NT career, he is now speaking about playing after the 2012 Olympic games.

[Brazil]

:corn:

it has been a long off season for ST fortunately we have TP, Splitter vs. Scola and Bonner extension threads.

[JustinJDW]

If we don't have him re-signed by the trade deadline, trade him for some good picks. Lottery pick.

[gospursgojas]

Im pretty sure TP will surprise and NOT surprise all of us and stay with the spurs

[GSH]

Youre probably right. I cant tell what his motives are here. But he definitely has some.


I think his motive is pretty clear. He made it very clear that he was pissed when he got called back to San Antonio. He's letting the French fans know that it won't happen again.

Is there a subtle message that he knows it won't happen because he won't be with the Spurs? Or is he sending a message to Spurs' management that he won't be told what to do? Hard to say. But after going on the record with a statement like that, it's going to be pretty hard for him to back down. If the team isn't okay with him playing international ball next summer, they probably should look at getting value for him now. Because if they ask him not to play, I think he'll tell them to shove it.

If the team is fine with him competing with the NT, then I guess there's no problem. But they have to know that if he plays next summer and gets hurt again, they are going to lose some fan support. And I'm not so sure it's a good idea to let any player, even one of Parker's caliber, lead management around by the balls.

I like Parker, but he's pretty much thrown down a gauntlet with that comment.

[spurs10]

It's all going to depend on this season. Tony has every reason in the world to play the best he ever has.

[Leonard Curse]

I think his motive is pretty clear. He made it very clear that he was pissed when he got called back to San Antonio. He's letting the French fans know that it won't happen again.

Is there a subtle message that he knows it won't happen because he won't be with the Spurs? Or is he sending a message to Spurs' management that he won't be told what to do? Hard to say. But after going on the record with a statement like that, it's going to be pretty hard for him to back down. If the team isn't okay with him playing international ball next summer, they probably should look at getting value for him now. Because if they ask him not to play, I think he'll tell them to shove it.

If the team is fine with him competing with the NT, then I guess there's no problem. But they have to know that if he plays next summer and gets hurt again, they are going to lose some fan support. And I'm not so sure it's a good idea to let any player, even one of Parker's caliber, lead management around by the balls.

I like Parker, but he's pretty much thrown down a gauntlet with that comment.

i agree and someone else brought up a good point on the RJ Bonner signing and it would make no sense at all to trade parker since we signed those two players, while i agree in a sense theres a variable a very important one which has fueled these parker discussions and thats george hill now lets say we get allstar potential young talent with heighth ! now add george hill and it doesnt seem like too much of a blow at that pg spot. yes i know hill didnt run point like tony but he did show he could def drive it past anyone and dish and shoot and defend so i think thats what makes this trade so intrigueing.

would you rather have an unhappy tony who plays national ball and everyone is mad about it, paired up with rj bonner manu and tim for a while or would you in fact trade tony for some very high picks, or potential talent and have a stronger future with george hill who seems more than capable of taking on such pressure? i'd rather look to the future and see what we can get for tony and seeing that our F.O has great scouts with a top pick or some first rounders with young great talent sure would be exciting. i think either way we win but there has to be a decesion made not this let em walk mentality that pop has moronically bought in to

[DrSteffo]

I would rather keep Tony Parker. I don't mind if he plays for his NT. Gerge Hill showed that when it mattered the most he could not defend old man Nash. Parker is simply much better than George Hill on O and on D.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I agree with this and I believe the Spurs do as well. In fact, I think this accounts for Tony's public stance that he is not interested in an extension. I believe the Spurs told him that they're not ready to discuss anything other than a team-friendly extension now and that they're content to wait for the spring as they did with Manu. Rather than answer the same questions over and over again as Manu did last season, Tony has shut off that line of questioning by saying that he's not interested.

Mel_13, this isn't the first time you've applied reason when posting in a thread here. If it continues, Mods will have to be notified.

Please, re-assess your position and adopt one of the more extreme reactions. ;)

[Ice009]

yes i know hill didnt run point like tony but he did show he could def drive it past anyone and dish and shoot and defend so i think thats what makes this trade so intrigueing.


Uhh no he didn't. George needs to improve his handles and drive to the rack a lot more. He is nowhere near the penetrator TP is and he certainly did not show that he can drive it past anyone.

[Bruno]

Manu will also play next summer and in 2012:
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/arti.asp?newsid=44526

[Brazil]

Manu will also play next summer and in 2012:
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/arti.asp?newsid=44526

:lmao but but Spurs signed him an extension !!!!!!!!!!

[temujin]

Manu should have played this year.
With the mediocre level of the WC, he missed on the opportunity to win his last title.

[temujin]

I think his motive is pretty clear. He made it very clear that he was pissed when he got called back to San Antonio. He's letting the French fans know that it won't happen again.

Is there a subtle message that he knows it won't happen because he won't be with the Spurs? Or is he sending a message to Spurs' management that he won't be told what to do? Hard to say. But after going on the record with a statement like that, it's going to be pretty hard for him to back down. If the team isn't okay with him playing international ball next summer, they probably should look at getting value for him now. Because if they ask him not to play, I think he'll tell them to shove it.

If the team is fine with him competing with the NT, then I guess there's no problem. But they have to know that if he plays next summer and gets hurt again, they are going to lose some fan support. And I'm not so sure it's a good idea to let any player, even one of Parker's caliber, lead management around by the balls.

I like Parker, but he's pretty much thrown down a gauntlet with that comment.

Remember, "non-American players will only be remembered for what they accomplish with their NT"?
Even if he has zero chance to win anything with France, he still wants to try.

And yes, the Spurs FO should consider trade offers for a 9 years veteran with a story of 12 ankles injuries very seriously.

[Mel_13]

Manu should have played this year.
With the mediocre level of the WC, he missed on the opportunity to win his last title.

You can tell Manu what you think at the sites:

http://www.facebook.com/ManuGinobili

http://twitter.com/manuginobili

http://usa.manuginobili.com/


Remember, "non-American players will only be remembered for what they accomplish with their NT"?

:lmao

We remember. Still funny.

[Parker2112]

Manu will also play next summer and in 2012:
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/arti.asp?newsid=44526


:lmao but but Spurs signed him an extension !!!!!!!!!!

constant twinkies.

But this doesnt come from Manu's mouth. 7 times. and his wife. There is a difference.

Not saying it wont happen though.

[Mel_13]

constant twinkies.

But this doesnt come from Manu's mouth. 7 times. and his wife. There is a difference.

Not saying it wont happen though.

Yes it does:

What do I mean by this? As I expressed before, my two previous experiences on the Olympics where the best thing that ever happened to me as an athlete, including the NBA rings, European championships and everything I lived on my almost 15 years of career, and I have no doubts in my head that I would like to live that again. I know the qualification won’t be easy either. That’s why my intention is to also play the pre Olympic tournament in 2011 that I understand have great chances to be organized in Argentina. It would be really nice to play an official championship on our own home court with our people after a decade (the only one was in 2001 in Neuquen) don’t you think? The idea is to accomplish the qualification and then yes, play my last (very possibly but one never knows) championship with the guys and with the white and blue in my chest.

After what happened in Beijing 2008, the surgery, the two fractures and the horrid 2008-2009 season, it took me a whole lot of time to be back in shape and recover my game. It has been two years already since I haven’t been able to have a good pre season conditioning,; the 2008 one, because of the games themselves and doubts about my ankle and the 2009 one to recover from my last fracture. Then I would like to take advantage of this recess to be physically 10 points, have a great 2010-2011 season and then, be in optimal condition both mentally and physically to qualify in 2011 and then play the London Olympics in 2012. Just in case, I would like to clarify that the Spurs have nothing to do with my decision and that in fact they told me they have no issues with me playing in 2011 and 2012.

http://usa.manuginobili.com/ginobili_100424.html

[Parker2112]

That’s why my intention is...

[Parker2112]

Honestly, I hope like hell he doesnt do it. These guys think they are superheroes, but if he does this the Spurs will suffer. Never fails.

[Mel_13]

The simple bottom line is that both Tony and Manu made their intentions known on this subject last spring, Manu in April and Tony in May. Both said that would not participate in 2010 and they would play in 2011 and 2012. If you're going to find hidden messages, agendas, gauntlets, etc. in Tony's position on NT play then you must find the same things in Manu's position. They're identical. Both want to play in the 2012 Olympics and both realize that they must help their NTs qualify in 2011.

Get over it.

[GSH]

Remember, "non-American players will only be remembered for what they accomplish with their NT"?



You said it differently that time, Temujin. I agreed with you before, but not this time.

Non-American players are remembered back home for what they accomplish with their NT. Tony and Manu will be enshrined here. Their numbers will be retired, and their jersies hung in the rafters. We are more than willing to celebrate non-American players, and treat them as "one of our own" - regardless of where they came from.

The only NT that most Americans even remember is the original Dream Team. It was the first time we were able to send professionals (unlike many other countries, but that's another story). We actually sent our best players, and demolished the competition on the way to the gold medal. But even most Spurs fans think that David Robinson was on Dream Team II also. That's because they completely forget about the 1994 Worlds, which Team USA won handily. (Robinson was on Dream Team III, in the 96 Olympics.)

Bottom line... we love international players. We're just not overwhelmed with the level of play in international competitions. Most French fans really don't give a shit about any player, unless he comes from France and plays for the French NT. That's why it always kills me when they talk about American fans the way they do.



The simple bottom line is that both Tony and Manu made their intentions known on this subject last spring, Manu in April and Tony in May. Both said that would not participate in 2010 and they would play in 2011 and 2012. If you're going to find hidden messages, agendas, gauntlets, etc. in Tony's position on NT play then you must find the same things in Manu's position. They're identical. Both want to play in the 2012 Olympics and both realize that they must help their NTs qualify in 2011.

Get over it.


Lots of us do say the same thing about Manu's position. People here love Manu, even though he thoroughly fucked over the Spurs by playing summer ball when he was already badly injured. But if he pulls the same shit again, he might not hear so many cheers at the beginning of the next season. I know that I'll be looking to cheer some other player that actually gives a shit about playing in front of the best fans in the NBA.

You get over it, short bus.

[Mel_13]

You get over it, short bus.

Yet another internet guy that resorts to juvenile name calling when they are incapable of sustaining their point of view. Impressive.

[GSH]

Yet another internet guy that resorts to juvenile name calling when they are incapable of sustaining their point of view. Impressive.



You insinuated that Spurs fans see Tony and Manu differently, when it comes to playing summer ball. That was stupid. When you say something stupid, and then end the post with an abrasive comment like "get over it", expect to be called what you are. You screw with the bull, you get the horns.

As for sustaining a point of view? Tony and Manu have indicated that they want to play for their NT's in 2011 and 2012. What if there is some question about their health? What if the Spurs ask them not to? What if there is some question about their health, and the Spurs tell them not to play?

My impression, from reading their comments is that Manu probably learned his lesson, and would decline to play summer ball if he is injured. And Tony didn't learn any lesson from what happened to Manu, and would play anyway. He made it clear last year that he was upset with the Spurs and their doctors for being too cautious. So what does that suggest? Probably that he wanted to continue playing, even though he was injured.

Saying that you want to play for your NT, and saying that you WILL be playing are two different things. That's what Parker did. And, yes, it looks a lot like throwing down a gauntlet. (Didn't the French invent that custom?) Sometimes people say things like that, and reveal more about their intentions than they planned to. If that's not what Parker intended, he should probably choose his words more carefully. Or maybe he should just spend more time working out, and less time updating his damned Facebook page.

I'm not one of the Parker-haters on this forum. I like Parker. But if I'm going to be honest, I don't think he intends to re-sign with the Spurs. And I think part of that has to do with being called away from the French NT because of his injury (injuries). And I think part of it has to do with coming off the bench last season, which Manu has been doing for years. So if he plans to leave anyway, fuck him. Get some value for him, bring in someone new, turn the page.

Does that "sustain my point of view" well enough for you, short bus? My advice is don't tell people things like "get over it" unless you want to start an argument.

[Mel_13]

Does that "sustain my point of view" well enough for you, short bus?

No. You just reaffirmed that you are incapable of sustaining a point of view without resorting to personal insults. I expressed a view with which you disagreed. Rather than simply stating your point of view, you went with ad hominem attacks. So, you continue to fail.

[Parker2112]

I wasnt privy to Manu's comments, and still dont think anything is set in stone with either one honestly. If Parker is trying to find suitors as a free agent next summer I dont know he will play.

And simply stating isnt what we are seeing with Parker. He is on a veritable PR campaign. During a contract year.

Manu has not gone to this extent.

But either way, either player would be screwing their team. They are both too old for this summer play.

[Mel_13]

I wasnt privy to Manu's comments, and still dont think anything is set in stone with either one honestly. If Parker is trying to find suitors as a free agent next summer I dont know he will play.

And simply stating isnt what we are seeing with Parker. He is on a veritable PR campaign. During a contract year.

Manu has not gone to this extent.

But either way, either player would be screwing their team. They are both too old for this summer play.

I absolutely agree with you on the first bolded part. The events of the next eleven months can't be predicted with any certainty, so I wouldn't be surprised if things changed. I would be much more surprised, however, if Manu changes his mind than Tony. The pre-Olympic tourney for the Americas will be in Argentina, so I believe it will take a significant injury to keep Manu out of that event. While Tony has said that he'll play even if he doesn't have a new NBA contract, I have my doubts that he would risk all those future earnings. We'll see.

The second bolded part is where we disagree. I just don't see it the same way. Many of the Parker stories we've seen since the end of the season are based on "sources close to Parker". Then those stories get reported by a dozen different outlets and it begins to look like a campaign. From where I sit, the stories that contain actual quotes by Tony seem fairly benign. Again, we'll see.

[Parker2112]

You may be right. My take is solely based on my gut. We will see.

[temujin]

Yes it does:

What do I mean by this? As I expressed before, my two previous experiences on the Olympics where the best thing that ever happened to me as an athlete, including the NBA rings, European championships and everything I lived on my almost 15 years of career, and I have no doubts in my head that I would like to live that again. I know the qualification won’t be easy either. That’s why my intention is to also play the pre Olympic tournament in 2011 that I understand have great chances to be organized in Argentina. It would be really nice to play an official championship on our own home court with our people after a decade (the only one was in 2001 in Neuquen) don’t you think? The idea is to accomplish the qualification and then yes, play my last (very possibly but one never knows) championship with the guys and with the white and blue in my chest.

After what happened in Beijing 2008, the surgery, the two fractures and the horrid 2008-2009 season, it took me a whole lot of time to be back in shape and recover my game. It has been two years already since I haven’t been able to have a good pre season conditioning,; the 2008 one, because of the games themselves and doubts about my ankle and the 2009 one to recover from my last fracture. Then I would like to take advantage of this recess to be physically 10 points, have a great 2010-2011 season and then, be in optimal condition both mentally and physically to qualify in 2011 and then play the London Olympics in 2012. Just in case, I would like to clarify that the Spurs have nothing to do with my decision and that in fact they told me they have no issues with me playing in 2011 and 2012.

http://usa.manuginobili.com/ginobili_100424.html

Manu said it in a more brutal way.
Sorry pals that's the way it is.

[temujin]

You can tell Manu what you think at the sites:

http://www.facebook.com/ManuGinobili

http://twitter.com/manuginobili

http://usa.manuginobili.com/



:lmao

We remember. Still funny.

I think Manu already made my point very clear.

[Mel_13]

Manu said it in a more brutal way.
Sorry pals that's the way it is.


I think Manu already made my point very clear.


:lmao

Nice try, but here's your OP on the subject:


Whether they like or not, international players will spend a few years in the US,
get vastly overpayed,
winning nothing,
and actually not caring much about winning anything,
bring all that money home,
where they will spend the rest of their lives, surrounded by people that will only remember what they did for their NT.

While Manu, Scola, and Oberto will be best remembered in Argentina for their NT accomplishments, they clearly don't meet the first part of your post.

Generally speaking, players that achieve great things for their NTs have a winning spirit and care about winning for their club teams as well.

So, sorry about that, but Manu disproves the point you asserted in your OP. In fact you admitted as much in a later post in that same thread:


This is what makes Emanuel Ginobili so special.

I spotted this fire burning in him the very first game I watched, back in 2000.

Emanuel Ginobili is one of the reasons I am watching NBA basketball.

Anything else? :lol

[Josepatches_]

Everybody knows he's going to play next summer.He wants to play in London 2012.France could win one spot next summer in the Eurobasket or they will have to play the pre-olympic in June 2012.
Pau Gasol is going to play the Eurobasket for the same reason.

The problem isn't only next summer.It will be next summer + 2012 summer.

[temujin]

You said it differently that time, Temujin. I agreed with you before, but not this time.

Non-American players are remembered back home for what they accomplish with their NT. Tony and Manu will be enshrined here. Their numbers will be retired, and their jersies hung in the rafters. We are more than willing to celebrate non-American players, and treat them as "one of our own" - regardless of where they came from.

The only NT that most Americans even remember is the original Dream Team. It was the first time we were able to send professionals (unlike many other countries, but that's another story). We actually sent our best players, and demolished the competition on the way to the gold medal. But even most Spurs fans think that David Robinson was on Dream Team II also. That's because they completely forget about the 1994 Worlds, which Team USA won handily. (Robinson was on Dream Team III, in the 96 Olympics.)

Bottom line... we love international players. We're just not overwhelmed with the level of play in international competitions. Most French fans really don't give a shit about any player, unless he comes from France and plays for the French NT. That's why it always kills me when they talk about American fans the way they do.


Yes, BACK HOME, where they will spend the rest of their lives.

I can very well understand that watching a group of EU soccer stars "demolish" a representative of say, Indiana, would not be entirely thrilling.
Yet, for many of the US team players - and some are very good- the WC is the only title they will ever win. Including Durant, unless he leaves OKC.

As for the fact that NBA fans treat international players as "one of your own", and certainly so Spurs fans, I absolutely believe it.
My point was the opposite: do interntional players treat you as one of "their own"?

[temujin]

:lmao

Nice try, but here's your OP on the subject:



While Manu, Scola, and Oberto will be best remembered in Argentina for their NT accomplishments, they clearly don't meet the first part of your post.

Generally speaking, players that achieve great things for their NTs have a winning spirit and care about winning for their club teams as well.

So, sorry about that, but Manu disproves the point you asserted in your OP. In fact you admitted as much in a later post in that same thread:



Anything else? :lol

Manu has just stated what the most important accomplishements in his career are: two medals, including a bronze one, with the national team.

Period.

The player that epitomizes a winninig spirit -anywhere and anywhen- has clarified his point.

Can you imagine what do the vast majority of the dozens NBA players NOT born in the US think of their accomplishments in the NBA, aside from fattening the bank account?
The Diaws, Stojakovics, Turkoglus, Krstics, Udrihs and the likes?

[Mel_13]

Manu has just stated what the most important accomplishements in his career are: two medals, including a bronze one, with the national team.

Period.

The player that epitomizes a winninig spirit -anywhere and anywhen- has clarified his point.

Can you imagine what do the vast majority of the dozens NBA players NOT born in the US think of their accomplishments in the NBA, aside from fattening the bank account?
The Diaws, Stojakovics, Turkoglus, Krstics, Udrihs and the likes?

:lmao

If you can't see how this post directly contradicts your OP on the subject, I can't help you. I'll leave you to your delusions.

[Blackjack]

If you can't see how this post directly contradicts your OP on the subject, I can't help you. I'll leave you to your delusions.

I can think of nothing better than being allowed to do so, and I always appreciate it when my man, Obi, allows me to do so as well. :downspin:

[temujin]

"Sorry honey, I married you, you made me rich, you are "wonderfull", the mother of my kids: but that woman, that woman is just something else. Sorry about that, I can't help it".

"Dont' worry, honey, go ahead, I still love you!!!!!"

All this is just wonderfull!!!!

[Mel_13]

"Sorry honey, I married you, you made me rich, you are "wonderfull", the mother of my kids: but that woman, that woman is just something else. Sorry about that, I can't help it".

"Dont' worry, honey, go ahead, I still love you!!!!!"

All this is just wonderfull!!!!

:lmao

You really didn't need to share the words of those voices that only you can hear.

[Blackjack]

"Sorry honey, I married you, you made me rich, you are "wonderfull", the mother of my kids: but that woman, that woman is just something else. Sorry about that, I can't help it".

"Dont' worry, honey, go ahead, I still love you!!!!!"

All this is just wonderfull!!!!

My delusions are much better, iibh,aimca,aitm-fob,kotmm, tbh.

[alchemist]

:lol TP will be a Knick next year let him do whatever the fuck he wants. :wakeup

[temujin]

:lmao

You really didn't need to share the words of those voices that only you can hear.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Sure, just hearing the laughters of the dozens players..........

Oh and don't forget to put those "rings" on your sig, while you are being hit by Manu's bronze medal.


:lmao:lmao:lmao

No limit to the wondefulness of mankind.

[Mel_13]

Sure, just hearing the laughters of the dozens players..........

You hear dozens of different voices? That may account for the several versions of your "point". Frankly, I've lost count. I am certain that you have contradicted, in a quite convincing manner, your original point on this subject.

[BillMc]

Is it possible Parker knows he can play internationally next summer because he's likely to have a lot of time to rest up during the coming NBA lock out?

Its the full summer, then straight into an NBA season's that brutal. Just a thought....

[temujin]

Whether they like or not, international players will spend a few years in the US,

Yes. 4 or 5 on average.

get vastly overpayed,

Yes. 1) they improve their earnings 5-10 times compared to what they make elsewhere. 2) there seem to be talks about how much NBA players are overpayed, in general.

winning nothing,

Out of 83 non American players listed by the NBA site, including Duncan,
70 have won nothing in the NBA. Zero.



and actually not caring much about winning anything,

Yes, I DO assume that players not employed by LA, Boston, Cleveland, Suns -4 best teams last year- Orlando and I will very generously add the Spurs, ARE not playing to win anything.
That means 11 players (out of 83) and that includes Duncan. It also includes maihinmi.


bring all that money home,

OK. I should probably correct this: non American players might actually spend some money while on duty.

where they will spend the rest of their lives,

Yes.

surrounded by people that will only remember what they did for their NT.

Yes, that's for sure.

While Manu, Scola, and Oberto will be best remembered in Argentina for their NT accomplishments, they clearly don't meet the first part of your post.

Generally speaking, players that achieve great things for their NTs have a winning spirit and care about winning for their club teams as well.

So, sorry about that, but Manu disproves the point you asserted in your OP.


3 out 83.
Scola won nothing in the NBA.
Oberto and Ginobili did.
So you are citing 2 of the 13 players that won something.

That sounds like an exception to a rule.
It's even more of an exception because you cite Ginobili, the ONLY player in basketball history to have won at ALL levels.
National chanpionships in Italy (two levels)
Euroleague
NBA
Olympics.

So Ginobili can be defined as super-exception to the RULE I mentioned above.
Which can also be phrased in this more direct way:
non American players care more about their NT than about their employers.
Now, Mr. Ginobily, the ultimate winner as I recognize he is, has unequivocably stated how much he rates the THREE titles he won in San Antonio: less than the Olympic medals, including the bronze one.
A 100 hard fought games among the elite, against a handful FIBA games in summertime.
Millions against next to zero money.
Mr. Ginobili goes for the zro money and the summer games.

He also stated that he will play in the largely irrelevant FIBA tournement in 2011, to make SURE he will be playing in London in 2012.
Whether the club that has just extended his contract with $40 millions more likes it or not.
Thus further proving my point.
He sure will be remembered forever in his country. I guarantee you that.

Coming back to the topic of the thread, Mr. Parker, as a winner another contradiction to my "rule",
supposedly negotiating an extension with the Spurs beyond 2011,
and coming from a season with half a dozen injuries,
has clearly stated that he will play for France in Euro 2011.
A tournement France has vaguely remote chances to win. And that's a huge undertatement, indeed.
It's also an indication that Mr Parker, NBA finals MVP, 3 titles and multi-multi millionaire, ALSO thinks that it is time to be remembered by his countrymen.

GSH got MY point spot on, and replied with very readable messages.
All you did was misunderstand and be arrogant, with me and GSH.

I remember reading a couple of messages of yours a few months back and they weren't that stupid.
However, I don't like to play chess with people that can only foresee, say, the next 3 plays, maximum.

[Mel_13]

lots of words that still fail to account for the simple fact that your later posts on the subject contradict your OP on the subject

As I've already said, I'll leave you to your delusions.

[temujin]

1 play.
maximum.

[Mel_13]

1 play.
maximum.

:lmao

You're losing the game to this guy:


Whether they like or not, international players will spend a few years in the US,
get vastly overpayed,
winning nothing,
and actually not caring much about winning anything,
bring all that money home,
where they will spend the rest of their lives, surrounded by people that will only remember what they did for their NT.

No amount of misdirection, obfuscation, snarky retorts, or color-coded posts will change that simple fact.

[temujin]

:lmao

You're losing the game to this guy:



No amount of misdirection, obfuscation, snarky retorts, or color-coded posts will change that simple fact.

Absolutely.
Normal posters got it.
The cut and paster doesn't, even with the colors.

[Mel_13]

We do agree on one thing. Your cut and paste, color-coded attempt to direct attention away from your subsequent self-contradictions has failed.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, the best thing about FIFA is how well they run the international games. I'd be pissed if the LA Galaxy or some club in Germany kept our best soccer players from playing.