California gives illegal child molester 4.3 million

[DarrinS]

http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/15/california-rewards-child-molester/






California is so broke it is being compared to Greece. But the Orange County Board of Supervisors gave away 4.3 million dollars to an illegal Mexican alien who is also a child molester. Why did the supervisors do it? Answer: “The lawyer made me do it!”

The first chapter in this distasteful story begins with Fernando Ramirez, a 24-year-old illegal alien, being caught molesting a 6-year-old girl in a park. He was duly convicted and sent to the Orange County Central Jail. The second chapter is predictable.

Inmates in prison for murder, bank robbery, mugging old ladies, and other assorted thuggery agree on at least one thing: They hate child molesters. So when Mr. Ramirez was finally incarcerated, his life insurance company should have been quick to cancel his policy. That the California court allowed Fernando to plead guilty to “battery against a child,” instead of putting him on trial for child molestation, did not impress his fellow inmates. They beat him to within the proverbial inch of his life.

In the third chapter a California lawyer takes over. Attorney Mark Eisenberg is not an ambulance chaser. Let’s face it, that’s a tacky vocation that is not really cost-effective. Instead, lawyer Eisenberg seems to have discovered that being a noble defender of downtrodden child molesters is just the ticket. By some means, Mr. Eisenberg was mysteriously advised about Fernando being roughly used by the other gents in the Orange County lockup. If he did have an informant somewhere in the county system, no doubt Eisenberg would have simply thanked him, and assured him that his reward could only be in heaven. Then Eisenberg swung into righteous action.

Bringing a case before the Orange County Board of Supervisors, the kindly attorney claimed that Ramirez had suffered brain damage because of the beating, that he needs help walking, and that he now has the intellect of a four-year-old child. Luckily, that age was two years less than the six-year-old child he had molested, so the supervisors must have been very saddened by his alleged condition.

In the fourth chapter, the supervisors take stock of the dire financial straits of Orange County. They then conclude that county taxpayers can still find it in their hearts to hand the child molester and his lawyer the largest settlement ever given to anyone in county custody: $3.75 million, plus $900,000 for medical expenses. With a wave of their wands, Orange County Supervisors made Fernando one of the richest non-citizens in the country!

You might ask questions about that award, but you will get no answers. The case was heard behind closed doors, and the supervisors have absolutely and wisely refused to make any comment on the matter since Joshua Jamison broke the story on The Raw Deal blog. It was later picked up by The American Thinker.

We should remember that lawyers who do not chase ambulances, like Mark Eisenberg, do their work for free. Just like we see advertized on television. What we do not see on television is that lawyers like Eisenberg work on a “contingency fee” basis. That means that if they take your case (and they will not take it unless they reckon they will win), they will take a share of the winnings — usually at least 30 percent. In this case, that means Eisenberg took home over $1 million of Orange County taxpayer money. Not bad for a quick closed-door decision by the supervisors.

The final question is: Did the Board of Supervisors also let millionaire Fernando out of the hoosegow? They must have. It is the only way he could spend his new-found wealth and be the financial stimulus Orange County needs so badly.

[boutons_deux]

The criminal under control/responsibility of the govt became a victim of other criminals. The govt should have protected him, like it should prevent all crimes within the PIC.

Did criminals who beat him up get tried and convicted for assault?

[jack sommerset]

The criminal under control/responsibility of the govt became a victim of other criminals. The govt should have protected him, like it should prevent all crimes within the PIC.

Did criminals who beat him up get tried and convicted for assault?

This might be the first intelligent thing you ever have said!:toast

This particular case could have been prevented if the USA was not so tolerant of illegal alliens though.

[boutons_deux]

bullshit.

a US citizen who was a tea bagger and NRA gun fetishist AND a convicted child molester would have gotten the same treatment.

The illegal alien status was trumped by being criminal under the responsibility of the govt.

[jack sommerset]

bullshit.

a US citizen who was a tea bagger and NRA gun fetishist AND a convicted child molester would have gotten the same treatment.

The illegal alien status was trumped by being criminal under the responsibility of the govt.

It's not "bullshit", he should not have been here in the first place and the USA is tolerant when it comes to illegal alliens. It's a fact. No disputing that.

[boutons_deux]

Magic Negro's illegal immigration policies have captured and deported more serious-crime illegals than the we-hate-illegals Repugs ever did.

It's not a solution, but given the total obstructionism of the Repugs, it's a move in the right direction.

Strangely, crime is way down in the border cities with large illegal immigration populations, including bat-shit-crazy AZ and NV.

and illegals don't try to vote. That's another Repug "voter fraud" lie. They stay as far away from the authorities as possible.

[clambake]

It's not "bullshit", he should not have been here in the first place and the USA is tolerant when it comes to illegal alliens. It's a fact. No disputing that.

yeah, we only got room for our home grown child molesters!

[jack sommerset]

Magic Negro's illegal immigration policies have captured and deported more serious-crime illegals than the we-hate-illegals Repugs ever did.

It's not a solution, but given the total obstructionism of the Repugs, it's a move in the right direction.

Strangely, crime is way down in the border cities with large illegal immigration populations, including bat-shit-crazy AZ and NV.

and illegals don't try to vote. That's another Repug "voter fraud" lie. They stay as far away from the authorities as possible.

There you go getting all boutons on us! The child molestor should have never been here along with the other 15 million illegals. "They" in this case molested a 6 year old girl in a public park.

[boutons_deux]

I'm not excusing the crime.

What percentage of child molesters in CA or USA are illegals immigrants?

[Parker2112]

Thanks for the Fox News Feed!

This shit is so predictable. Lets get conservatives so fucking pissed they cant see straight so they wont question how our contributors are looting their pensions as we speak...

I know, we will combine a story about illegal immigrants, child molesters, tax money and rich attorneys....that should keep them tied up for at least a few hours.
http://www.fancydressnation.co.uk/acatalog/SM28602.jpg

[jack sommerset]

I'm not excusing the crime.

What percentage of child molesters in CA or USA are illegals immigrants?

Yes you are. Entering the USA without our permission is a crime. Throw in the fact this one continued his crime spree and molested a 6 year old makes it even worse. Quit making excuses for criminals.

[clambake]

Yes you are. Entering the USA without our permission is a crime. Throw in the fact this one continued his crime spree and molested a 6 year old makes it even worse. Quit making excuses for criminals.

who should be responsible for him crossing the border, jack?

[Parker2112]

Yes you are. Entering the USA without our permission is a crime.

Get your head out of your ass. This shit is never a problem until the economy flags. When the economy is good, Repugs cant hire illegals fast enough...

The economy sucks, and now your being fed this line of shit to keep you from asking why it is failing. Dont let Fox tell you its all dems...your party is involved too. Wake the fuck up.

[Parker2112]

Yes you are. Entering the USA without our permission is a crime. Throw in the fact this one continued his crime spree and molested a 6 year old makes it even worse. Quit making excuses for criminals.

While youre at it, lets get enraged about thieves and murderers, and guys who beat little old ladies, and kids who get their intestines sucked out in swimming pools, and the grandfather who lost everything to an ethiopian scammer....

theres no shortage of shit to get pissed about. You need to cut the fucking strings to your brain function, puppet, cause Fox News is in full control of your fucking mind.

[Parker2112]

A true patriot doesnt entertain himself in a state of anger and outrage, fed by Fox news and Glenn Beck.

But a fool who cant see through the smokescreen does.

[jack sommerset]

Get your head out of your ass. This shit is never a problem until the economy flags. When the economy is good, Repugs cant hire illegals fast enough...

The economy sucks, and now your being fed this line of shit to keep you from asking why it is failing. Dont let Fox tell you its all dems...your party is involved too. Wake the fuck up.

LoL......Ummm Dumbass. Illegals have been a problem for a long time. You should pull your head out of your ass and wake the fuck up.

Seriously, get a fucking life. Your post is full of bigotry, stero-types and nonsense.

[Parker2112]

LoL......Ummm Dumbass. Illegals have been a problem for a long time. You should pull your head out of your ass and wake the fuck up.

Seriously, get a fucking life. Your post is full of bigotry, stero-types and nonsense.

Illegals have been doing construction in 100 degree heat, putting in swimming pools, providing cheap yard work and child care, doing concrete work on a budget, providing unscrupulous business owners wth a more economical option (sometimes free) for labor, etc. for a long fucking time

I dont know that those things were necessarily problems when they were happening.

And now Fox tells you that terrorists and drug dealers are on their way north over the rio grande and you get your panties in a bunch.

Let me give you some wisdom jack: if the economy picks back up, upper class folks with money to spend and a job to do are going to right back to the most economical choice....the one standing in front of Home Depot.

[Parker2112]

LoL......Ummm Dumbass. Illegals have been a problem for a long time. You should pull your head out of your ass and wake the fuck up.

Seriously, get a fucking life. Your post is full of bigotry, stero-types and nonsense.

stop trusting the repub party line

[ChumpDumper]

So stop letting inmates beat each other up.

That was easy.

[Parker2112]

So stop letting inmates beat each other up.

That was easy.

thats impossible actually.

[ChumpDumper]

thats impossible actually.Then keep your checkbook handy.

[Parker2112]

its a catch 22. Arent we about to cut TDCJ-ID by about 3-4k prison gaurds? Its being contemplated I know.

[ChumpDumper]

Law and order folks sure have their priorities straight.

[Parker2112]

cuz 8 years is just not enough

http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_16/Perry.jpg

[George Gervin's Afro]

if a dude is doing 6 months for stealing a car he does have a right to serve his time without being raped or having his ass beaten..

[Parker2112]

if a dude is doing 6 months for stealing a car he does have a right to serve his time without being raped or having his ass beaten..

you have a right to be free from assault on the street too, but sometimes shit happens. The state is charged with custody and care, but theres only so much you can do when two grown folks want to go at it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

you have a right to be free from assault on the street too, but sometimes shit happens. The state is charged with custody and care, but theres only so much you can do when two grown folks want to go at it.

so what about the raping of men in prison? Same line of thinking? What about somebody who is jumped in prison?

[LnGrrrR]

I love the premise behind the OP. If you are a child molester, legally, you should be allowed to be beaten up with no legal recourse.

Not saying I support child molesters or anything, but not saying they lose all rights as soon as they're found guilty, either.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I love the premise behind the OP. If you are a child molester, legally, you should be allowed to be beaten up with no legal recourse.

Not saying I support child molesters or anything, but not saying they lose all rights as soon as they're found guilty, either.

shit happens..

[Parker2112]

so what about the raping of men in prison? Same line of thinking? What about somebody who is jumped in prison?

If govt officials have reason to know of some danger they have to prevent it. But if the attack is out of the blue, what can you do? There is no such thing as 24-7 surveillance of every person in prison. With patience and sealed lips, anyone can be had in prison. Including security.

[ChumpDumper]

If it is well-known that child molesters are routinely attacked and beaten in this prison system, why are they in the general population?

[CosmicCowboy]

If it is well-known that child molesters are routinely attacked and beaten in this prison system, why are they in the general population?

Because prisons are overcrowded with drug offenders.

[ChumpDumper]

Because prisons are overcrowded with drug offenders.Law and order types approve.

[Wild Cobra]

That's the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Convicted of child molestation = death sentence. These fuckers deserve to die anyway. not profit from our legal system.

[jack sommerset]

That's the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Convicted of child molestation = death sentence. These fuckers deserve to die anyway. not profit from our legal system.

I'm with you on that. If you are stroking some 6 year olds vagina you deserve to die.

[LnGrrrR]

Because prisons are overcrowded with drug offenders.

Hear hear.

[Parker2112]

If it is well-known that child molesters are routinely attacked and beaten in this prison system, why are they in the general population?

convicted crimes aren't publicized to inmates. But some chesters just tend to stand out in a crowd I guess...

And many of the ones that might otherwise stand out as pedophiles will also draw attention as potential victims to other predatory inmates

[LnGrrrR]

I'm with you on that. If you are stroking some 6 year olds vagina you deserve to die.

I think we all agree that he may DESERVE to die, but it doesn't mean we should make it legal for prisoners to beat him up, or that he shouldn't have legal recourse to the system.

[ChumpDumper]

That's the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Convicted of child molestation = death sentence. These fuckers deserve to die anyway. not profit from our legal system.Then sentence them accordingly.


convicted crimes aren't publicized to inmates. But some chesters just tend to stand out in a crowd I guess...

And many of the ones that might otherwise stand out as pedophiles will also draw attention as potential victims to other predatory inmatesGee, you don't think there is any way other inmates can find out?

[Parker2112]

Then sentence them accordingly.

Gee, you don't think there is any way other inmates can find out?

Sure, but if you try to protect all the molesters in the system from the non, you'll cripple the system. Its just not that easy to draw lines in the population.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, but if you try to protect all the molesters in the system from the non, you'll cripple the system. Its just not that easy to draw lines in the population.Sure it is. That is why there is a general population and other populations in the first place.

As for crippling the system, how many $4.3 million judgments will cripple the system?

[Oh, Gee!!]

there's probably some missing info like the guards being informed a week earlier about the attack and doing nothing to prevent it, or the guards leaking info about the convict's charge to one of the gangs.

[ChumpDumper]

there's probably some missing info like the guards being informed a week earlier about the attack and doing nothing to prevent it, or the guards leaking info about the convict's charge to one of the gangs.Actually, this blogger flat out lied about Ramirez.

He was not even convicted of any crime at the time of his beating.


A second inmate, awaiting trial on charges of child molestation, was severely beaten in June and has just recently been released -- brain-damaged, according to his family -- after five months in a hospital....

....The Sheriff's Department's decision to pull back protection for child molestation and child pornography possession suspects -- perhaps those most despised by other prisoners -- occurred sometime in the last three years, according to two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the situation.

The two recent incidents have brought attention to the change of policy. Because of the change, inmates at Theo Lacy Jail in Orange were able to fatally beat John Chamberlain, accused of possessing child pornography, on Oct. 5. At the Central Men's Jail in Santa Ana, another group of inmates severely pummeled suspected child molester Fernando Ramirez in June.

"I'm not surprised," said San Francisco Sheriff Michael Hennessey, whose jails segregate those accused of sex crimes involving children. "They are vulnerable, so we treat them as potential targets. "I can imagine how a different policy would create problems."

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/nov/15/local/me-jails15

So it looks like populations can be and have been separated.

System crippler!

[Winehole23]

lol @ Parker's weak rationalization on behalf of an incompetent jail.

[jack sommerset]

It would be really sad if he didn't even molest the kid.

[Parker2112]

Sure it is. That is why there is a general population and other populations in the first place.

As for crippling the system, how many $4.3 million judgments will cripple the system?

quite honestly there had to be some other negligence involved. I have personally seen inmates get stabbed and beaten, but I haven't heard of very many of these multi-million dollar judgments resulting. I have had co-workers and family members investigated for excessive uses of force and other complaints, but have never known one to pay out. Maybe that explains the status quo, at least here in Texas. My Dad testified in a wrongful death case where an inmate got shanked on the wreck yard, and he failed to administer CPR because the guy was excreting blood and bile out of his mouth, and nothing ever came of it.

I'm just saying.

[Parker2112]

lol @ Parker's weak rationalization on behalf of an incompetent jail.

There is no legal std that demands that chesters get special protection in jail. They get the same protections as any other member of the population. If the state becomes aware of a threat, they have a duty to step in. Until then, the inmate is vulnerable.

[Oh, Gee!!]

If the state becomes aware of a threat, they have a duty to step in. Until then, the inmate is vulnerable.


Hours before Chamberlain was killed, his public defender, Case Barnett, called jail officials to warn them that his client felt his life was in danger and to urge them to place him in protective custody. He was not moved.

[ChumpDumper]

Beat me to it.

[Parker2112]

I dont read shit from Fox News Correspondents Blogs.

But, in that case, I would be suprised if those reports could be confirmed/implemented in a few hours. To make it from the Warden's office/agency official down to the actual housing unit takes an eternity. But this was probably the justification for the award, Im sure.

[ChumpDumper]

I dont read shit from Fox News Correspondents Blogs.You don't really read much of anything besides prisonplanet it seems; definitely not enough to realize this wasn't a Fox blog.

[Blake]

Seriously, get a fucking life. Your post is full of bigotry, stero-types and nonsense.

LOL coming from someone that called San Antonio "Little Mexico" for all the wrong reasons

:lol

[Blake]

That's the straw that broke the camels back for me.

Convicted of child molestation = death sentence. These fuckers deserve to die anyway. not profit from our legal system.

I think I'd be ok with castration.

[jack sommerset]

LOL coming from someone that called San Antonio "Little Mexico" for all the wrong reasons

:lol

It is a Little Mexico. What are the right reasons? Maybe I will surprise you and argree.

[Blake]

It is a Little Mexico. What are the right reasons? Maybe I will surprise you and argree.

If the name is legally changed from San Antonio to Little Mexico.

[jack sommerset]

LOL coming from someone that called San Antonio "Little Mexico" for all the wrong reasons

:lol

I don't have time to Jack with you today but San Antonio is like a Little Mexico.

[Parker2112]

I don't have time to Jack with you today but San Antonio is like a Little Mexico.

What an uneducated dick. Do you understand the difference between Mexican and Hispanic Fool?

Is every brown person a Mexican to you? Many of the brown people in that city that you would otherwise label as mexicans have been in this state since before it was a state, a republic, or anything more than a territory.

Jackie you uneducated east texas prick you:lol

[Blake]

I don't have time to Jack with you today but San Antonio is like a Little Mexico.

It is to someone full of bigotry, stereotypes and nonsense.

[Blake]

Jackie you uneducated east texas prick you:lol


He spent many years living in San Marcos so according to him, that gives him enough know that SA is like a little Mexico.

[Parker2112]

well, I spent 30+ years in east texas, so I have enough knowledge to say hes a prick:)

[Oh, Gee!!]

Wgaf what jack thinks he is a fucking moron.