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RandomGuy
09-17-2010, 07:14 AM
I wonder when we will be able to get rid of the stupid sanctions.

Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work


By PAUL HAVEN, Associated Press Writer Paul Haven, Associated Press Writer – Thu Sep 9, 6:49 am ET
HAVANA – Cuba's communist economic model has come in for criticism from an unlikely source: Fidel Castro.

The revolutionary leader told a visiting American journalist and a U.S.-Cuba policy expert that the island's state-dominated system is in need of change, a rare comment on domestic affairs from a man who has taken pains to steer clear of local issues since illness forced him to step down as president four years ago.

The fact that things are not working efficiently on this cash-strapped Caribbean island is hardly news. Fidel's brother Raul, the country's president, has said the same thing repeatedly. But the blunt assessment by the father of Cuba's 1959 revolution is sure to raise eyebrows.

Jeffrey Goldberg, a national correspondent for The Atlantic magazine, asked Castro if Cuba's economic system was still worth exporting to other countries, and Castro replied: "The Cuban model doesn't even work for us anymore," Goldberg wrote Wednesday in a post on his Atlantic blog.

The Cuban government had no immediate comment on Goldberg's account.

Julia Sweig, a Cuba expert at the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations who accompanied Goldberg on the trip, confirmed the Cuban leader's comment, which he made at a private lunch last week.

She told The Associated Press she took the remark to be in line with Raul Castro's call for gradual but widespread reform.

"It sounded consistent with the general consensus in the country now, up to and including his brother's position," Sweig said.

In general, she said she found the 84-year-old Castro to be "relaxed, witty, conversational and quite accessible."

"He has a new lease on life, and he is taking advantage of it," Sweig said.

Castro stepped down temporarily in July 2006 due to a serious illness that nearly killed him.

He resigned permanently two years later, but remains head of the Communist Party. After staying almost entirely out of the spotlight for four years, he re-emerged in July and now speaks frequently about international affairs. He has been warning for weeks of the threat of a nuclear war over Iran.

But the ex-president has said very little about Cuba and its politics, perhaps to limit the perception he is stepping on his brother's toes.

Goldberg, who traveled to Cuba at Castro's invitation last week to discuss a recent Atlantic article he wrote about Iran's nuclear program, also reported on Tuesday that Castro questioned his own actions during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, including his recommendation to Soviet leaders that they use nuclear weapons against the United States.

Even after the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba has clung to its communist system.

The state controls well over 90 percent of the economy, paying workers salaries of about $20 a month in return for free health care and education, and nearly free transportation and housing. At least a portion of every citizen's food needs are sold to them through ration books at heavily subsidized prices.

Cuba says much of its suffering is caused by the 48-year-old U.S. trade embargo. The economy has also been slammed by the global economic downturn, a drop in nickel prices and the fallout from three devastating hurricanes that hit in quick succession in 2008. Corruption and inefficiency have exacerbated problems.

As president, Raul Castro has instituted a series of limited economic reforms, and has warned Cubans that they need to start working harder and expecting less from the government. But the president has also made it clear he has no desire to depart from Cuba's socialist system or embrace capitalism.

Fidel Castro's interview with Goldberg is the only one he has given to an American journalist since he left office.

Bender
09-17-2010, 08:40 AM
let there be cigars...

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2010, 09:41 AM
The next day he said he was misquoted and said that capitalism didn't work.

DarrinS
09-17-2010, 09:43 AM
But their health care system is better than ours.

Sincerely,

Michael Moore

TeyshaBlue
09-17-2010, 09:45 AM
let there be cigars...

They really are that good.:toast

Bender
09-17-2010, 10:03 AM
They really are that good.:toastI used to have a sort-of connection, and got a few now & then...
http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/smoking-030.gif

TeyshaBlue
09-17-2010, 11:21 AM
I used to have a sort-of connection, and got a few now & then...
http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/smoking-030.gif

I've got a buddy in Canada. We usually end up playing at the same festivals around the country a few times each year. He invariably brings me a handful of Cohiba Robustos. Ahhhh....if I could just make them last.:toast

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2010, 11:26 AM
You can buy Cuban cigars at Fincke cigar here in SA. They stocked up with bales of leaf right before the embargo. They aren't cheap, but you can get them.

Blake
09-17-2010, 11:28 AM
You can buy Cuban cigars at Fincke cigar here in SA. They stocked up with bales of leaf right before the embargo. They aren't cheap, but you can get them.

how do they keep the leaf preserved?

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2010, 11:32 AM
how do they keep the leaf preserved?

I don't really know...All cigars are made from dried/cured leaf. I'm told that if cured properly age isn't an issue.

TeyshaBlue
09-17-2010, 11:36 AM
I don't really know...All cigars are made from dried/cured leaf. I'm told that if cured properly age isn't an issue.

That leaf is either exquisite, or total ass by now.


I'm banking on exquisite.:lol

Bender
09-17-2010, 01:44 PM
Finck - pre-embargo tobacco (http://www.finckcigarcompany.com/products/group/category/havana_blend_serie_sombra/)

LnGrrrR
09-17-2010, 02:39 PM
I've been to Cuba... well GTMO. They need to take down the embargo so I can go vacation there. :lol

Also, had a Cuban guy in my last speech class... said he was 35 before he got his first car, when he got to the states. Crazy.

jack sommerset
09-17-2010, 04:01 PM
Surely there are other cigars that can match the cubans. (don''t call me shirley)

TeyshaBlue
09-17-2010, 04:08 PM
Surely there are other cigars that can match the cubans. (don''t call me shirley)

I dunno...I ain't that much of a connoisseur, but the Arturo Fuente brand is pretty stinkin' good. I think they're Nicaraguan and Domincan based tobaccos. But the Cubans hold a mystique for sure...which just adds to their allure.

clambake
09-17-2010, 04:11 PM
romeo and julieta (sp)

TeyshaBlue
09-17-2010, 04:12 PM
romeo and julieta (sp)

elitist!:ihit

clambake
09-17-2010, 04:14 PM
elitist!:ihit

:lol oh please. they're worth the extra bucks.

TeyshaBlue
09-17-2010, 04:18 PM
:lol oh please. they're worth the extra bucks.

:lol:toast

clambake
09-17-2010, 04:19 PM
here comes the elitist part.......with a bottle of caymus cab.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2010, 04:23 PM
Actually, the best cigar deal out there is Finckes "Factory Seconds". They import in quantity and then package for a lot of the botique brands that sell for $10 each in the glass tubes. They cull them and the slightest blemish gets them labeled "seconds". I buy those by the box for a little over $1 each. The ones I buy are AWESOME...smooth, mild, burn even...heck, I have to knock the ash off when it gets over an inch...I'v smoked a lot of very expensive cigars and these are just as good...

TeyshaBlue
09-17-2010, 04:25 PM
Actually, the best cigar deal out there is Finckes "Factory Seconds". They import in quantity and then package for a lot of the botique brands that sell for $10 each in the glass tubes. They cull them and the slightest blemish gets them labeled "seconds". I buy those by the box for a little over $1 each. The ones I buy are AWESOME...smooth, mild, burn even...heck, I have to knock the ash off when it gets over an inch...I'v smoked a lot of very expensive cigars and these are just as good...

Certainly meets my price criteria.:lol I'll give 'em a shake. Thanks for the info.:toast

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2010, 04:54 PM
Certainly meets my price criteria.:lol I'll give 'em a shake. Thanks for the info.:toast

I should really quit telling people about these...It will be like my favorite little 8 table mexican food dive that I told people about thats too crowded now...

Bender
09-17-2010, 05:15 PM
I've had lots of seconds from various places, but not the finck ones. I'll have to try them...

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2010, 05:47 PM
I usually go to the west side warehouse and buy them there but in case you guys didn't know it they opened up a retail location on West Avenue across from Aggie Park.