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nbaman99

09-20-2010, 04:24 AM

The top 10 most likeable personalities included two African Americans, Bobcats owner Michael Jordan, above, and San Antonio Spurs star Tim Duncan.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/09/19/1705341/black-male-athletes-trailing-on.html

admiralsnackbar

09-20-2010, 07:48 AM

I don't see how people find MJ "likable." He is a well documented dick to fans and people around him.

Casual fans aren't really aware of it, though -- they just know he's the greatest and appears to graciously tolerate stalkers who wear the underwear he shills. Even the media's half-assed attempts to discredit his HOF induction speech were mostly met with disinterest.

Chieflion

09-20-2010, 08:08 AM

Jordan is well-liked cause he is arguably the best to ever play, he practically gets a pass for whatever bullshit he does.

Even though he is "black", Duncan hasn't done anything stupid to make the fan perception change. It isn't that he is well-liked, more like no one bothers to hate him because he has nothing you can pick on, with the exception that he is "boring" to the casual fan. His off-court actions hasn't affected his public image negatively, as of yet. The little known fact that he also enjoys playing video games also somewhat connects him to the fans. Hey, maybe I can play Halo 3 with him sometimes.

LakeShow

09-20-2010, 08:47 AM

Timmie is not black.

cantthinkofanything

09-20-2010, 08:54 AM

What Chieflion said:

Even though he is "black", Duncan hasn't done anything stupid to make the fan perception change.

What Chieflion meant:

Even though he is "black", Duncan doesn't sag his pants, have gold teeth, steal shit, or walk around waving a fried chicken leg, talking about getting back at Whitey.

ICE3000

09-20-2010, 09:04 AM

Timmie is not black.

What???? then what would you call him??

Mel_13

09-20-2010, 09:11 AM

This thread isn't likely to end well.

Poor title, btw. Jordan and Duncan aren't the only likeable black athletes, they are the only black athletes among the top ten most likeable athletes.

Leetonidas

09-20-2010, 09:48 AM

Someone sent me this video a while ago. I believe it. I have several stories I've heard about MJ from other players.

y4ZQERHL6ow

I personally thought it was kinda funny that Jordan shat all over Chamillionaire like he wasn't shit because really he's just a shitty rapper and I doubt Jordan gets down on the garbage rap out there today.

TacoCabanaFajitas

09-20-2010, 09:51 AM

I personally thought it was kinda funny that Jordan shat all over Chamillionaire like he wasn't shit because really he's just a shitty rapper and I doubt Jordan gets down on the garbage rap out there today.

Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about. The reason Chamillionaire gets no radio play is because he isn't making garbage

redzero

09-20-2010, 09:52 AM

It's hard to hate Tim Duncan, because he is a robot.

MJ is still liked because people still remember the family friendly marketing he got in the 90's.

cantthinkofanything

09-20-2010, 09:57 AM

the reason chamillionaire gets to radio play is because he isn't making garbage

edit

TacoCabanaFajitas

09-20-2010, 09:59 AM

Meant to say no

BlairForceDejuan

09-20-2010, 10:06 AM

The top 10 most likeable personalities included two African Americans, Bobcats owner Michael Jordan

Quit reading after this :lol

lefty

09-20-2010, 10:11 AM

I don't see how people find MJ "likable." He is a well documented dick to fans and people around him.
I agree

And his 2009 HOF speech confirmed that

I mean, Jordan even flew the guy who took his spot in his high schools BB team, just to make a point :flipoff

He took jabs at his HS coach; if anything, you weren`t good enough to make that team, and you should thank your coach for giving you the necessary motivation

He criticized JVG for something that happened in fucking 1997 :lmao

Or I guess he was butthurt that John Stockton selected Isiah Thomas to introduce him to the HOF :lol

cantthinkofanything

09-20-2010, 10:18 AM

I agree

And his 2009 HOF speech confirmed that

I mean, Jordan even flew the guy who took his spot in his high schools BB team, just to make a point :flipoff

He took jabs at his HS coach; if anything, you weren`t good enough to make that team, and you should thank your coach for giving you the necessary motivation

He criticized JVG for something that happened in fucking 1997 :lmao

Or I guess he was butthurt that John Stockton selected Isiah Thomas to introduce him to the HOF :lol

People like Jordan because he was a winner. He busted his ass on the court, hit the big shots, and dominated his era. All of this while not "blackng" it up. He wasn't flashy. He wasn't disrespectful to the game. He was exciting to watch. His commercials were entertaining. He may have been a dick but for the most part, this side of Jordan was well hidden from the masses.

LakeShow

09-20-2010, 10:19 AM

What???? then what would you call him??

Confused. :lol

LakeShow

09-20-2010, 10:21 AM

What Chieflion said:

What Chieflion meant:

Even though he is "black", Duncan doesn't sag his pants, have gold teeth, steal shit, or walk around waving a fried chicken leg, talking about getting back at Whitey.

ignorant statement!

Mr.Bottomtooth

09-20-2010, 10:24 AM

Anyone know where I can find his HOF speech?

LakeShow

09-20-2010, 10:30 AM

This thread isn't likely to end well.

Poor title, btw. Jordan and Duncan aren't the only likeable black athletes, they are the only black athletes among the top ten most likeable athletes.

I agree

lefty

09-20-2010, 10:34 AM

People like Jordan because he was a winner. He busted his ass on the court, hit the big shots, and dominated his era. All of this while not "blackng" it up. He wasn't flashy. He wasn't disrespectful to the game. He was exciting to watch. His commercials were entertaining. He may have been a dick but for the most part, this side of Jordan was well hidden from the masses.
Very true

And regarding the part I bolded, I found an interesting piece on the internet:

Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, and the Internet

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/192374/silver-lg_tiny.jpg by C.A. Clark (http://www.sbnation.com/users/C.A.%20Clark) on Oct 29, 2009 3:30 PM PDT (http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2009/10/29/1106190/kobe-bryant-michael-jordan-and-the) in Editorial (http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/section/editorial-2) http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/icons/comment.v8c9bafb.png 40 comments

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/282541/kobe-bryant_medium.jpg (http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/282541/kobe-bryant.jpg)http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/282544/michael-jordan-mj-mj-23_medium.jpg (http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/282544/michael-jordan-mj-mj-23.jpg)http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/282547/al_20gore_medium.jpg (http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/282547/al_20gore.jpg)
Kobe Bryant (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21869/Kobe_Bryant) is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. I didn't include a specific number because that's not what this is about, but he's up there. He is also, beyond the shadow of a doubt, the most polarizing presence in all of basketball. The Kobe Haters lambast him for everything from selfish play to his poor moral choices of years past. The latest trend is to label all of the changes that he's made (to his game, to his personality, to his interactions with teammates) as fake. On the other side of the coin, the Kobe Lovers defend him with religious zeal, often lumping anyone who has the smallest criticism of their hero amongst the "Haters" category. Thus, opinions surrounding Kobe Bryant tend to be pretty black and white, because any shade of gray is inevitably forced towards one end of the spectrum. It's easy to figure out why people love Kobe. The majority are Lakers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/LAL) fans who simply adore their favorite team's star, and the rest love him because of his success, his game, or because of his frequent offseason trips to China. But why is the Hate side of the spectrum so large?
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg
I'm not saying there aren't reasons to dislike Kobe. He has done plenty of things that could cause people to view him negatively. For one, he's been successful, and there is always a certain level of jealousy attached to such things. However, Kobe has also done plenty on his own to encourage people to dislike him. He has acted selfishly in the past. He has treated teammates poorly. He has been accused of using games to deliver messages, both to other players and to his own team/coaches. Whether you place the blame on him for Shaq's departure from the Lakers or not, he played a major role in a bad situation. Phil Jackson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/98740/Phil_Jackson) even said he was "uncoachable", although I'm guessing PJ would back off that statement now. And Kobe did get himself involved in the nightmare that was Vail, Colorado. So, there are a lot of reasons to dislike Kobe, if one chooses to focus on them. The question is: Why do so many people make that choice?
This is where Michael Jordan comes in. Michael Jordan is, by consensus, the greatest player of all time. He was also, until recently, one of the least polarizing presences in the game of basketball. There are very few people in this world who dislike or hate Michael Jordan. I'm sure there were plenty of people who didn't like him in their time, but most of that enmity was of the jealousy inspired type, and it went away as soon as Jordan stopped dominating on the court. After he retired for real (sort of) in 1998, any dislike for him seemed to go out the window, and he turned into a kind of basketball demi-god. I could be wrong, but I doubt very much that Kobe Bryant will receive that same sort of warm reception from the general NBA public outside of Los Angeles once he hangs it up. This has nothing to do with Jordan's place as the GOAT, and whether Kobe will come close to challenging that title or not by the end of his career. There are simply too many people who dislike Kobe for too many reasons, and many of those people's opinions will not change just because Bryant is no longer an active player. The next question is: Why doesn't MJ have that same negative following?
Michael Jordan has done many of the same things people dislike Kobe for. He treated teammates poorly at times, the same way that Kobe has. He once punched two teammates, which is a far worse teammate interaction than Kobe has ever had. He ran off Doug Collins the same way Kobe is accused of running off Shaq and Phil Jackson. I'm not old enough to have watched a lot of Jordan's early years, but all the stats point to Jordan having similarly "selfish" play. Jordan's lifetime usage is higher than Kobe's, and his assists are about the same. Statistically, there isn't much difference between the two in terms of determining "selfish" basketball. Jordan had a serious off-the-court problem during his career as well (gambling), and while I'm not coming close to saying that gambling and being accused of rape are the same thing, they are both notable issues that a "hater" could latch on to as a validation of their hate. Jordan even walked away from the game (or was pushed because of the gambling, if you believe the conspiracy theorists), and if Kobe had followed the same path, I'm sure there would be people who would latch onto that as another reason to dislike the man. Despite all of this, Jordan never had a negative following even closely resembling the one that Kobe has. Why?
All of these questions have the same answer: The Internet. The Internet has globalized the way we can follow the game, and as a result, groups of fans have a greater ability to get together and discuss the NBA outside of their home market, or to discuss it with other NBA fans from different markets. Kobe has spent his entire career under the microscope of having his every action accessible by any NBA fan, not just his local market. When Shaq and Kobe were feuding, it was a national story because of the 24 hour news cycle which has been driven by the internet. When Kobe took only 3 shots in the 2nd half of Game 7 of the playoff series against Phoenix a few years ago, the next day there were editorial pieces about it on national sports sites and blogs across the country. Kobe Bryant's career has existed in a fishbowl, and every negative detail has been gleaned off by those who choose to focus on the negative aspects of his career.
Jordan's career wasn't subjected to this kind of scrutiny. Most of Jordan's career occurred during a time when the national sports media was limited to weekly magazines, and USA Today. ESPN had barely come to fruition, and cable as a platform was just getting off the ground. But, most importantly, the internet didn't explode until the very end of Jordan's (real) career, when he was becoming the GOAT, and everything was rosy. There were no groups of fans from across the country discussing whether Jordan's 37 points per game on 28 shots/game was a great season or a selfish one. There were only Bulls (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/CHI) fans who loved their new star. I don't remember whether it was a national story or not when Jordan punched teammates Steve Kerr and Will Perdue. But I can guarantee that there weren't national NBA message boards lit up the next day talking about how bad a teammate Jordan was, because such places did not exist. There was no place for any potential legion of Jordan "haters" to unite, to allow the negatives surrounding him to fester.
The best piece of evidence I can provide is the recent change in Jordan's status as an unassailable icon. Jordan's Hall of Fame speech has been derided as being childish, vindictive, and a show of poor sportsmanship. He's been criticized across the nation for exhibiting such behavior at an event that is supposed to be about celebration. And for the first time, in Henry Abbott's memory at least (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/7130/the-rapper-chamillionaire-on-meeting-michael-jordan), there seems to be a faction of MJ haters out there, who dislike Jordan the person while respecting Jordan the ballplayer. Why does this exhibit prove my point? Because just about everybody who actually knew Jordan, those who were directly involved with his career, have all had the same reaction to the speech: "That's Michael." He wasn't acting differently during that HOF speech than he has in the past, we just have a greater capability to notice it.
If Michael was a player in today's NBA, there would be a sizable faction of Jordan "haters", no matter how many championships he might win. Rival fans might talk on their blogs and message boards about how big of a dick that MVP, championship winning, Bulls guard is. How he's selfish because he takes so many more shots than his teammates. How his teammates just pretend to like him because they fear being assaulted. National writers looking to drive traffic might make the same arguments, hoping simply to get reactions. This couldn't happen 20 years ago because most Bulls news wasn't a national storyline, and would only be reported in and around Chicago. And, even if people saw or heard about something they didn't like, they weren't likely to get together in person to discuss Jordan. 20 years ago, fans were almost universally concerned only with their own teams, because they really didn't have the capability to go very far beyond that. Now, other than the limiting factor of time, nothing is stopping us from following all 30 NBA teams at once. The internet has changed the way we can be fans of the game, but it has also created a way for us to be anti-fans of other teams and players.
In the end, there are plenty of differences between Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. We can't tell yet whether Kobe will match or surpass MJ in championships. We won't ever be able to truly compare their career arcs because young Kobe had Shaq, which is either an enhancement of, or a detriment to, his legacy, depending on how you look at it. We can argue forever about whether Kobe emulates Jordan too much, and compare the two players in each individual aspect of the game. But it could be that the biggest difference between perceptions of the two players', the biggest reason why MJ will be remembered so adoringly, while Kobe could be remembered by some as much with vitriol as love, is because Kobe played in a time when everybody in the world had access to every aspect of his career, positive and negative, while Jordan played in a time when the general NBA fan only heard about his greatness.

cantthinkofanything

09-20-2010, 10:47 AM

ignorant statement!

It was intentionally over the top. The post was in response to the Chefilons comment, "even though he is black, Tim Duncan hasn't done anything stupid." My point was to wonder if we got to the point where we expect all black people to act like 50 cent.

oklahomasuckstexas

09-20-2010, 10:55 AM

Duncan is not black. He is as white as Matt Boner.

The Spurs have had an all white team for the past 10 years or so. No true "black males" on the entire roster.

LakeShow

09-20-2010, 10:56 AM

It was intentionally over the top. The post was in response to the Chefilons comment, "even though he is black, Tim Duncan hasn't done anything stupid." My point was to wonder if we got to the point where we expect all black people to act like 50 cent.

My bad

fantasyfootball

09-20-2010, 10:58 AM

Someone sent me this video a while ago. I believe it. I have several stories I've heard about MJ from other players.

y4ZQERHL6ow

Thanks for the video. I always knew Michael could be rude but the story described here is over the top. There's a difference between ignoring an autograph seeker or telling a diehard fan to go away and just trashing someone at a party.

The story - as told - sounds completely true and it's not like it's far fetched anyway given Jordan's rep. Chamillionaire should have punched him. Jordan needs someone to teach him.

thispego

09-20-2010, 11:01 AM

lol statistics. The Q has been ripping people off since '64. This article is hogwash.

Oh yeah, and, shitty thread title

ICE3000

09-20-2010, 11:22 AM

Duncan is not black. He is as white as Matt Boner.

The Spurs have had an all white team for the past 10 years or so. No true "black males" on the entire roster.

And what is a "true" black male in your opinion??

TJastal

09-20-2010, 11:28 AM

And what is a "true" black male in your opinion??

I'm guessing to be considered "true" they must listen to gangsta rap, make retarded hand signs, and use "nigga" in every other sentence.

BoricuaCJA

09-20-2010, 03:05 PM

jordan is well-liked cause he is arguably the best to ever play, he practically gets a pass for whatever bullshit he does.

Even though he is "black", duncan hasn't done anything stupid to make the fan perception change. It isn't that he is well-liked, more like no one bothers to hate him because he has nothing you can pick on, with the exception that he is "boring" to the casual fan. His off-court actions hasn't affected his public image negatively, as of yet. The little known fact that he also enjoys playing video games also somewhat connects him to the fans. Hey, maybe i can play halo reach with him sometimes.
fify.

duncan228

09-20-2010, 03:51 PM

It's hard to hate Tim Duncan, because he is a robot.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/temp%20duncan%202/robot.jpg

honestfool84

09-20-2010, 04:02 PM

I don't see how people find MJ "likable." He is a well documented dick to fans and people around him.

personally, i disagree.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs212.snc1/7930_272764005360_658815360_8693505_7065845_n.jpg

fantasyfootball

09-20-2010, 04:07 PM

personally, i disagree.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs212.snc1/7930_272764005360_658815360_8693505_7065845_n.jpg

This would be clever if the underlying premise wasn't so stupid.

Hooks

09-20-2010, 04:12 PM

Cham is a great rapper, people don't like his music because he actually talks about stuff in his songs. He's not like Wayne, Drake, 50 cent, etc. He's a good dude, I don't think he'd lie about something like that.

Even then, he's been able to make around $20 mill with NO help from anyone, he pretty much launched Paul Wall's (Paul turned his back on Cham) career and destroyed Mike Jones' career.

I've heard a lot of stories that MJ is a dick just like many others have.

Anyways, Duncan is like the whitest-black player in the NBA.

cantthinkofanything

09-20-2010, 04:24 PM

Anyways, Duncan is like the whitest-black player in the NBA.

Interesting. He's also the smartest.

admiralsnackbar

09-20-2010, 04:39 PM

Interesting. He's also the smartest.

Yep. He never had his posting privileges suspended for saying stupid shit.

ohmwrecker

09-20-2010, 04:56 PM

lefty

09-20-2010, 05:02 PM

personally, i disagree.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs212.snc1/7930_272764005360_658815360_8693505_7065845_n.jpg
He probably charged that kid (OHM?) 25000 $

Blackjack

09-20-2010, 05:12 PM

personally, i disagree.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs212.snc1/7930_272764005360_658815360_8693505_7065845_n.jpg

That's you, ain't it? Very cool. :tu

Trill Clinton

09-20-2010, 05:16 PM

There are some dumb dumb's in here.

WildcardManu

09-20-2010, 06:27 PM

"The other half, which includes Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco and James left me scratching my head."

And just like that, all credibility is lost. You do realize the whole world hates Lebron James right now. And don't even get me started on the reality tv stars. "Blacks dominate sports. When they find a heated hockey rink, they gonna take that sh-t too!" -Chris Rock

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/09/19/1705341/black-male-athletes-trailing-on.html#ixzz107CidLSx

I LoL'd hard on the last comment quoting Chris Rock.

Sisk

09-20-2010, 07:37 PM

Might as well move this to The Club/Political forum now tbh

manu the best

09-20-2010, 08:25 PM

.. with all his accomplishments timmy is one of the most humble athletes i have ever seen ..

Ginobili2Duncan

09-20-2010, 09:51 PM

I have always thought that Duncan was mixed.

ShoogarBear

09-20-2010, 09:55 PM

Favre and Roethlisberger are on the most-likable list.

/credibility

TD 21

09-20-2010, 10:00 PM

I have always thought that Duncan was mixed.

Same.

Even though, if you've seen a picture or seen footage of his parents, that doesn't appear to be the case. But a lot of his features are that of a mixed person.

nbaman99

09-20-2010, 10:05 PM

lol statistics. The Q has been ripping people off since '64. This article is hogwash.

Oh yeah, and, shitty thread title

Sorry to disappoint you, your highness. Next time ill try to make it to your satisfaction.. Idiot. :lol

spurs1990

09-20-2010, 10:50 PM

Leonard Curse

09-20-2010, 11:06 PM

What's with the article comparing Bryant to Roethlisberger.

IIRC, Bryant was FORMALLY CHARGED with anal rape of that blonde woman, whilst Sir Ben was surrounded by conjecture and innuendo that was out of control.

Why does this group constantly play the victim card? We have a black in the oval office and they're still at it. They might want to look inward for their problems, but I doubt that day will ever come.

exactly!! im sorry but im tired of that shit you know its funny cause while alot of people will never be satisfied the whites keep catering to them all the while kicking out the ones who shut up and work US the mexicans my grandparents went through the same shit blacks did and i mean the same but do you see mexicans calling out "RAcist" to white people no hell no we work beat dumbasses on the weekend and keep our mouth shut but believe me they keep picking on mexicans theyre going to be sorry

Mel_13

09-20-2010, 11:15 PM

This thread isn't likely to end well.

:wakeup

LakeShow

09-21-2010, 12:42 AM

:madrun

Lakeshow is a black man from south central LA. I've been typing on this page for the last 20 minutes but I just cant do it. I wont insult a race over the internet. Most of the time the insulter is not what they claim to be so I wont bite.

I will say that I appreciate the mexicans and what they do for California. Cali would go to shit without them...........literally

We clean your toilets!~Los Angeles Mayor Villaraigosa

:lol

Mister Sinister

09-21-2010, 03:01 AM

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/temp%20duncan%202/robot.jpg
Oh, wow. Now I want to see Timmy as a Dalek.

cantthinkofanything

09-21-2010, 09:17 AM

Favre and Roethlisberger are on the most-likable list.

/credibility

No, Roethlisberger is one of the most disliked.

Killakobe81

09-21-2010, 10:12 AM

Casual fans aren't really aware of it, though -- they just know he's the greatest and appears to graciously tolerate stalkers who wear the underwear he shills. Even the media's half-assed attempts to discredit his HOF induction speech were mostly met with disinterest.

I agree with you both. Duncan makes sense. MJ not so much ...BUT MJ does market himself extremely well. So you have duncan who seems like a genuine great guy (if a little boring, not saying he is but I have heard that criticism) and MJ who is a manufactured likeable guy.

cantthinkofanything

09-21-2010, 10:36 AM

Mister Sinister

09-21-2010, 11:16 AM

MJ makes perfect sense in today's world. Manufactured likeablilty. Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Iron Man 2, Eclipse, whatever...
You'll like it because we're going to spend a bunch of money telling you why you need to like it.
Major topic derail, but explain why Iron Man 2 is included in that list.

ohmwrecker

09-21-2010, 11:18 AM

I agree with you both. Duncan makes sense. MJ not so much ...BUT MJ does market himself extremely well. So you have duncan who seems like a genuine great guy (if a little boring, not saying he is but I have heard that criticism) and MJ who is a manufactured likeable guy.

Really? I have only heard the opposite. He is extremely intelligent and witty and, according to teammates, one of the funniest guys on the team. I think his sense of humor might be a little dry and cerebic, but that's probably one of the reasons why he and Pop have been so successful in their partnership.
The only criticism of Duncan being boring I've heard refers to his on court play. He is fundamental, methodical and acute, but I think that makes him one of the most fascinating players in NBA history. Not boring at all.

cantthinkofanything

09-21-2010, 11:26 AM

Major topic derail, but explain why Iron Man 2 is included in that list.

Yeah. Good call. To be honest I haven't seen it yet. I liked the first one but heard the second wasn't as good. It just popped in my head. I was trying to think of a recent high grossing movie that wasn't as good as the hype.

cantthinkofanything

09-21-2010, 11:28 AM

....... He is extremely intelligent and witty and, according to teammates, one of the funniest guys on the team. I think his sense of humor might be a little dry and cerebic.....

That reminds me of me.

ohmwrecker

09-21-2010, 11:40 AM

That reminds me of me.

Good use of sarcasm.:tu

cantthinkofanything

09-21-2010, 11:42 AM

Good use of sarcasm.:tu

As you so eloquently put it the other day, "Boo".

LoneStarState'sPride

09-21-2010, 02:11 PM

Tim Duncan is NOT black, unless by "black" we simply mean he is not white.

lefty

09-21-2010, 02:17 PM

Tim Duncan is NOT black, unless by "black" we simply mean he is not white.
So what is he?

Whack ?

phxspurfan

09-21-2010, 04:33 PM

So what is he?

Whack ?

:td

Chucho

09-21-2010, 07:48 PM

How is Tim NOT black? Who the fuck died and made everyone in here Tori Hunter?

LakeShow

09-21-2010, 08:00 PM

:lol To be honest I was just kidding when I said that. I stole that from somebody on this site last year. I just thought it was funny.

Timmies is definitely black. When his playing days are over he will see just how black he is. :lol

Mister Sinister

09-21-2010, 08:02 PM

Yeah. Good call. To be honest I haven't seen it yet. I liked the first one but heard the second wasn't as good. It just popped in my head. I was trying to think of a recent high grossing movie that wasn't as good as the hype.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153193

ohmwrecker

09-21-2010, 08:22 PM

Tim Duncan is NOT black, unless by "black" we simply mean he is not white.

What a surprising take from an Aggie . . .

spurs1990

09-21-2010, 08:26 PM

Spursfan092120

09-21-2010, 08:43 PM

Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about. The reason Chamillionaire gets no radio play is because he isn't making garbage
Exactly...100% truth right here. Cham is one of the best out there..he's a lyrical fool...

LakeShow

09-21-2010, 08:57 PM

If ya'll weren't so lazy, I'm sure a business would hire ya'll instead.

You guys are at the bottom of the shit list. Always have been and always will be.

:lol You're the problem thats why they're trying to ship your asses out of here. Even black people know not to work for less than minimum wages, slavery is over, except for those who leave their own country to come here and work for $1.50 an hour or less. You can't blame the business for trying to make a profit. Cheap labor, no benefits, under the table payments, no taxes, etc... We can't make a living like that. We don't live with 20 people in a 3 bedroom house...but enough of the insults,

I work every day and have worked for the last 35 years. My friends work everyday as well. We are all doing well, we're not rich but we're middle class. We're happy. So when you say yall are lazy who are you referring to?

Spursfan092120

09-21-2010, 09:00 PM

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spurs1990

09-22-2010, 11:31 PM

:lol You're the problem thats why they're trying to ship your asses out of here. Even black people know not to work for less than minimum wages, slavery is over, except for those who leave their own country to come here and work for $1.50 an hour or less. You can't blame the business for trying to make a profit. Cheap labor, no benefits, under the table payments, no taxes, etc... We can't make a living like that. We don't live with 20 people in a 3 bedroom house...but enough of the insults,

I work every day and have worked for the last 35 years. My friends work everyday as well. We are all doing well, we're not rich but we're middle class. We're happy. So when you say yall are lazy who are you referring to?

You know what, I thought we were going to go back and forth using juvenile racial banter, but you had to go and intellectualize the discussion, thereby harpooning all subsequent blasts on my part.

Fair enough. Previous statements officially retracted.

LoneStarState'sPride

09-23-2010, 12:09 AM

What a surprising take from an Aggie . . .

Why?

Sean Cagney

09-23-2010, 01:03 AM

Duncan is not black. He is as white as Matt Boner.

The Spurs have had an all white team for the past 10 years or so. No true "black males" on the entire roster.

They had Stephen Jackson man, get real!!!!!! Horry as well :lol:lol. Are you high? Oh yes Bowen is dirty as hell, so he is not black? :rollin:

Get it.
Tim Duncan is NOT black, unless by "black" we simply mean he is not white.

Nobody is black so to speak lol, they are brown yes.....

LoneStarState'sPride

09-23-2010, 07:49 AM

Nobody is black so to speak lol, they are brown yes.....

:lol:lol

wunderkindepiphany

09-23-2010, 04:34 PM

MJ was an amazing basketball player, no doubt, but that doesn't mean he was always gracious and eloquent. Any of you all who watched his hall of fame acceptance speech a little while back were likely able to identify his extreme sense of self-worth (some may offer the word "egotism" as a synonym). I used to believe that self-confidence and selfishness were inextricable, but as I've gotten older I've come to learn that you can be successful and still remain humble and gracious. Michael had trouble in his interactions with numerous coaches, players, and, with Chamilionaire as an example, fans. We're all human and Michael is no different. He makes mistakes.

With Duncan, he could be black or white (although he's obviously black) and it wouldn't have any bearing on his level of intelligence. The fact that certain people are saying he is the "whitest" black man shows how often they leave their bubble. In Africa, the term "colored" is considered less insulting than the term "black", while in America it is usually mirrored. In several parts of the world, there are "black" people who speak spanish, french, etc. Perpetuating the stereotypes that are regionally associated with a given race or ethnicity exhibits a lack of knowledge.