should manu be running point guard?

[firepopovich]

yes or no?

[atlfan25]

he basically runs the shit anyway, no need to put a label as such on him

[sungo99]

No. Option 1A on offense? Yes.

[ZStomp]

No.

[Tres_Till_it_MHz]

No fuckin way....

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I was going to ask the same question!! What's up with Tony and the lack of assist lately?? I mean, I don't know what has happened to him lately. He really seems out of sinc!

[DDS4]

Nope.

[beirmeistr]

I think it should be a serious consideration.

[2centsworth]

Nope, Tony is a stud. Manu just needs the ball down the stretch.

[SouthernFried]

Manu is sorta playing a Kobe or Jordanesque role. Both Kobe and Jordan had point guards, but the offense still ran through them. The point guard can spend the energy bringing the ball up, and Manu can spend his actually running the half court offense.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

PG? No.

Like someone said though, option 1A on offense, yes.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Manu is sorta playing a Kobe or Jordanesque role. Both Kobe and Jordan had point guards, but the offense still ran through them. The point guard can spend the energy bringing the ball up, and Manu can spend his actually running the half court offense.
Exactly but then we would need Tony to start worrying more about making assists than actual scoring. He seems more preocupied with scoring than actual distributing of the ball.

[Dre_7]

No, Tony steped up in the 4th qtr!!! Hit some big shots!!!

[2centsworth]

Exactly but then we would need Tony to start worrying more about making assists than actual scoring. He seems more preocupied with scoring than actual distributing of the ball.
Tony went under the radar, but hit two crucial shots in the fourth and didn't turn the ball over. Plus, he hustled on Defense. I love what I'm seeing out of Tony.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

No, Tony steped up in the 4th qtr!!! Hit some big shots!!!
Point Guard = assists. TP in game 6 = 3 assists.

[Solid D]

No. TP should. Should Manu have the ball in the last minute. Most definitely.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

*sigh*, you don't get it do you?

Manu is a better creator and initiator than Tony.

Tony is a better scorer (particularly when his shot gets going) than Manu.

You run the offense through Manu, and let Tony use his speed to run around and get free for open jumpers.

Meanwhile, Manu is slicing and diceing and setting his teammates up.

Manu has ten times the court vision of Tony, and it'll never change.

As much as I hate to mention it, we should be using Tim and Manu like Phil used Shaq and Kobe.

Let the big man do the heavy lifting the first three quarters, then in the fourth when offenses like to bog down on the big man, you turn your perimeter monster loose.

Or think of it as baseball - let Tim start and bring in Manu to close it out.

[2centsworth]

Point Guard = assists. TP in game 6 = 3 assists.
Our Point Guard=Points and when he's going he = domination.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Our Point Guard=Points and when he's going he = domination.Tru that, tru that! although it would be nice if he started dominating now plz!

[SouthernFried]

I think using Manu and Tim like Shaq and Kobe is pretty much right on.

But, Tony is no way a better scorer than Manu. Actually, I see nothing Tony does that is better than Manu. Still, there is only one Manu. Tony's not a great distributor, or as good as Manu...but, when he's on, he is pretty effective in what he does do.

[Solid D]

Kobe Bryant isn't a PG, yet you want him with the ball in crunch-time to create.
Manu isn't a PG, yet you want him with the ball in crunch-time to create.

[2centsworth]

I think using Manu and Tim like Shaq and Kobe is pretty much right on.

But, Tony is no way a better scorer than Manu. Actually, I see nothing Tony does that is better than Manu. Still, there is only one Manu. Tony's not a great distributor, or as good as Manu...but, when he's on, he is pretty effective in what he does do.
Comparing Tony to Manu is unfair. Pippen was great but comapring him to Jordan made Pippen look like crap. Tony is a great player in his own right, Manu is freakish.

[SouthernFried]

Comparing Tony to Manu is unfair. Pippen was great but comapring him to Jordan made Pippen look like crap. Tony is a great player in his own right, Manu is freakish.

My point exactly ;)

[Solid D]

Playoff numbers, prior to game 6.

Player............G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Manu Ginobili 10 2 30.2 .525 .513 .808 .90 4.60 5.50 3.8 .70 .40 2.70 3.20 22.4
Tony Parker 10 10 36.3 .447 .176 .704 .50 2.70 3.20 5.2 .90 .00 2.50 2.90 18.3

[Solid D]

manu=MJ

MJ was never considered a "point guard" but the offense ran threw MJ no doubt about it.

didn't manu make duncan look a little like wellington on that last shot tonight?

Maybe Bill Wennington. Potapenko looked a little like Beef Wellington, though. :)

[ducks]

no
manu tried to run backup point last year and did not work out well

[nkdlunch]

We have a PG, its Tony. We need a decend backup PG though, Beno is ok but very innexperienced. Plus, he tries to make behind-the-backs at the worst times. Manu is doing too much already to be a backup PG. So we don't have many options.

[smeagol]

No.

Tony needs to step it up. He is the PG of the Spurs. Manu could be the back-up PG for very limited minutes, but Tony is the one pulling the strings.

[MiNuS]

he basically runs the shit anyway, no need to put a label as such on him

true... but don't tell that to Parker.

[SpurYank]

I'd send Tony and Rasho (or Nazr) to the Wizards for Larry Hughes, a tall #2, ala the Ice Man, and a leader in steals, 20+ points per game, clutch performer, fearless, and plays with a passion. I'd get Juan Dixon somehow to take the place of a Steve Kerr type of player we need. It's obvious Barry isn't going to ghet the job done.

Manu would be a perfect #1. He already is. Tony could not have made that play that beat the Sonics.

It may be possible. The Wizards wouldn't keep Tony because they have Arenas, but they can make a deal with a third team for a player they need.

[nkdlunch]

I'd send Tony and Rasho (or Nazr) to the Wizards for Larry Hughes, a tall #2, ala the Ice Man, and a leader in steals, 20+ points per game, clutch performer, fearless, and plays with a passion. I'd get Juan Dixon somehow to take the place of a Steve Kerr type of player we need. It's obvious Barry isn't going to ghet the job done.

Manu would be a perfect #1. He already is. Tony could not have made that play that beat the Sonics.

It may be possible. The Wizards wouldn't keep Tony because they have Arenas, but they can make a deal with a third team for a player they need.


It's fun to dream isn't it?

[MiNuS]

I didn't like the position of him piggy back on Timmy at the end of the game!
Manu was totally excited and I am guessing he is waiting to win it all to throw himself
to the floor but don't put 205 lbs on Timmy's ankle!!!!
Timmy wasn't too excited of having Manu riding him. It didn't seem to me.

[T Park]

I'd send Tony and Rasho (or Nazr) to the Wizards for Larry Hughes

thats what youd get back??

A non shooting defensive 2 guard for an all star point guard and a serviceable center???


as the snippet on ESPN Radio sounds, "Moron"

[SouthernFried]

Manu is the best 2 guard in the league. Trade our point for another 2 guard...wtf??

[bigbendbruisebrother]

No.

[benjirh]

Point Guard = assists. TP in game 6 = 3 assists.

Point Guard DOES NOT = assists. A point guard runs the team, assists are a perk of the position. Yes Manu made a great pass at the end, but did you see all the bad passes he made the rest of the game. Manu plays all out, which is great but also leads to numerous turnovers. Tony has come to understand what it means to run the point. He will speed it up when he needs to and slow it down when needed. Manu doesn't have that, which is fine because he doesn't need to. We need Manu to be a 2-guard, a scorer, a high energy player, not the point.

[Frenchise player]

Tony was disapointing in this series but so has been Duncan. Let Manu play the PF also!
Ginobili is the fan favorite and he had a great begining of this playoff, but if we don't win the championship it won't mean anything.
If Tony has a great series against Nash and the Spurs advance to the final, it won't be a reason to trade Ginobili.
People are fast in criticizing players or loving them.
Manu is one of the best SG and maybee the best for the Spurs. Moving him to the point is as silly as saying that the difference between him and Parker is as big as between Pippen and Jordan.

[hendrix]

Manu is a SG, and moving him to PG makes TPark completely useless.

[violentkitten]

who wants a piece of my beef wellington?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

but so has been Duncan

You're a fool. I yearn for the day TOny can "disappoint" and score 35.

And let's not even get into FT shooting, Tony is making Tim look like Steve Kerr.

And finally, Duncan, for all his sucking on offense, was still rebounding, playing defense, and setting picks.

Tony was getting lit up by Luke Ridnour.

[jcrod]

:shootme :shootme :shootme :shootme :shootme :shootme :shootme :shootme


:hang

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

You people never cease to amaze me with ya'll thinking and knowledge of the game.

[MiNuS]

Manu is a SG, and moving him to PG makes TPark completely useless.


isn't he already "completely useless" anyway.

[smeagol]

Lets leave the "trade this guy, trade that guy" posts for the offseason.

[Frenchise player]

You're a fool. I yearn for the day TOny can "disappoint" and score 35.

And let's not even get into FT shooting, Tony is making Tim look like Steve Kerr.

And finally, Duncan, for all his sucking on offense, was still rebounding, playing defense, and setting picks.

Tony was getting lit up by Luke Ridnour.
When you say about a player that he is disapointing, you judge him from what you expected him to do.
By this stantard you can say that both Tony and Tim are disapointing at their level.
Tony is a 23 year point guard and Duncan is a double MVP, their perfomance can't be compared.
If Duncan was his usual self, no one will be complaining about his game. He had a 35 point game, but Tony had 29 points in the first game of the serie too.
I am not bashing him, I hope they both will improve their game against the Suns or Mavericks. Do you really want Manu playing the point?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

When you say about a player that he is disapointing, you judge him from what you expected him to do.
By this stantard you can say that both Tony and Tim are disapointing at their level.
Tony is a 23 year point guard and Duncan is a double MVP, their perfomance can't be compared.
If Duncan was his usual self, no one will be complaining about his game. He had a 35 point game, but Tony had 29 points in the first game of the serie too.
I am not bashing him, I hope they both will improve their game against the Suns or Mavericks. Do you really want Manu playing the point?
I don't think anyone REALLY thinks Manu would be a better point than TP, we're just all really disappointed at how much TP's level of play has declined.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Playoff numbers, prior to game 6.

Player............G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

Manu Ginobili 10 2 30.2 .525 .513 .808 .90 4.60 5.50 3.8 .70 .40 2.70 3.20 22.4
Tony Parker 10 10 36.3 .447 .176 .704 .50 2.70 3.20 5.2 .90 .00 2.50 2.90 18.3
key stat there is MPG. Tony Parker = 36.3
Manu ginobili = 30.2