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DarrinS
09-22-2010, 08:04 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704129204575505822147816104.html




Comparisons between the Obama White House and the failed presidency of Jimmy Carter are increasingly being made—and by Democrats.

Walter Mondale, Mr. Carter's vice president, told The New Yorker this week that anxious and angry voters in the late 1970s "just turned against us—same as with Obama." As the polls turned against his administration, Mr. Mondale recalled that Mr. Carter "began to lose confidence in his ability to move the public." Democrats on Capitol Hill are now saying this is happening to Mr. Obama.

Mr. Mondale says it's time for the president "to get rid of those teleprompters and connect" with voters. Another of Mr. Obama's clear errors has been to turn over the drafting of key legislation to the Democratic Congress: "That doesn't work even when you own Congress," he said. "You have to ride 'em."

Mr. Carter himself is heightening comparisons with his own presidency by publishing his White House diaries this week. "I overburdened Congress with an array of controversial and politically costly requests," he said on Monday. The parallels to Mr. Obama's experience are clear.

Comparisons between the two men were made frequently during the 2008 campaign, but in a favorable way. Princeton University historian Sean Wilentz, for instance, told Fox News in August 2008 that Mr. Obama's "rhetoric is more like Jimmy Carter's than any other Democratic president in recent memory." Syndicated columnist Jonah Goldberg noted more recently that Mr. Obama, like Mr. Carter in his 1976 campaign, "promised a transformational presidency, a new accommodation with religion, a new centrism, a changed tone."

But within a few months, liberals were already finding fault with his rhetoric. "He's the great earnest bore at the dinner party," wrote Michael Wolff, a contributor to Vanity Fair. "He's cold; he's prickly; he's uncomfortable; he's not funny; and he's getting awfully tedious. He thinks it's all about him." That sounds like a critique of Mr. Carter.

Foreign policy experts are also picking up on similarities. Walter Russell Mead, then a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, told the Economist magazine earlier this year that Mr. Obama is "avoiding the worst mistakes that plagued Carter." But he warns that presidents like Mr. Obama who emphasize "human rights" can fall prey to the temptation of picking on weak countries while ignoring more dire human rights issues in powerful countries (Russia, China, Iran). Over time that can "hollow out an administration's credibility and make a president look weak." Mr. Mead warned that Mr. Obama's foreign policy "to some degree makes him dependent on people who wish neither him nor America well. This doesn't have to end badly and I hope that it doesn't—but it's not an ideal position after one's first year in power."

Liberals increasingly can't avoid making connections between Mr. Carter's political troubles and those of Mr. Obama. In July, MSNBC's Chris Matthews asked his guests if Democrats up for re-election will "run away from President O'Carter." After much laughter, John Heileman of New York Magazine quipped "Calling Dr. Freud." To which Mr. Matthews, a former Carter speechwriter, sighed "I know."

Pat Caddell, who was Mr. Carter's pollster while he was in the White House, thinks some comparisons between the two men are overblown. But he notes that any White House that is sinking in the polls takes on a "bunker mentality" that leads the president to become isolated and consult with fewer and fewer people from the outside. Mr. Caddell told me that his Democratic friends think that's happening to Mr. Obama—and that the president's ability to pull himself out of a political tailspin is hampered by his resistance to seek out fresh thinking.

The Obama White House is clearly cognizant of the comparisons being made between the two presidents. This month, environmental activist Bill McKibben met with White House aides to convince them to reinstall a set of solar panels that Mr. Carter had placed on the White House roof. They were taken down in 1986 following roof repairs. Mr. McKibben said it was time to bring them back to demonstrate Mr. Obama's support for alternative energy.

But Mr. McKibben told reporters that the White House "refused to take the Carter-era panel that we brought with us" and only said that they would continue to ponder "what is appropriate" for the White House's energy needs. Britain's Guardian newspaper reported that the Obama aides were "twitchy perhaps about inviting any comparison (to Mr. Carter) in the run-up to the very difficult mid-term elections." Democrats need no reminding that Mr. Carter wound up costing them dearly in 1978 and 1980 as Republicans made major gains in Congress.

George Gervin's Afro
09-22-2010, 08:28 AM
I'm stunned that a President has a big ego... I never knew

TeyshaBlue
09-22-2010, 09:10 AM
There are some apparent similarities between Carter and President Obama. That's not much of a surprise. There were a fair amount of similiarities between Bush and Carter as well.

One thing Obama seems to grok better than Carted did, as a sitting President, is foreign relations.

CosmicCowboy
09-22-2010, 09:15 AM
Have y'all noticed how vocal Carter has been lately?...I know he's got his new book out, but he's been on TV everywhere trying desperately to be relevant...It's quite pathetic, actually...he's still trying to rewrite history...

clambake
09-22-2010, 09:23 AM
Have y'all noticed how vocal Carter has been lately?...I know he's got his new book out, but he's been on TV everywhere trying desperately to be relevant...It's quite pathetic, actually...he's still trying to rewrite history...

can you be more specific?

TeyshaBlue
09-22-2010, 09:25 AM
Have y'all noticed how vocal Carter has been lately?...I know he's got his new book out, but he's been on TV everywhere trying desperately to be relevant...It's quite pathetic, actually...he's still trying to rewrite history...

Carter's work with Habitat for Humanity has established his relevancy beyond question. This same work earns him a huge IDGAF from me concerning the rest of your unfounded rant.

CosmicCowboy
09-22-2010, 09:28 AM
Carter's work with Habitat for Humanity has established his relevancy beyond question. This same work earns him a huge IDGAF from me concerning the rest of your unfounded rant.

It's not a rant. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, he was just an awful President and now he's trying to rewrite history. Example: "I would have passed universal health care 30 years ago but Teddy Kennedy undermined me out of spite."

CosmicCowboy
09-22-2010, 09:32 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42289.html

Former President Jimmy Carter says the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) is to blame for delaying the implementation of health care reform for 30 years.

In an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” Carter says that health care reform during his presidency fell through because Kennedy killed the bill.

“The fact is that we would have had comprehensive health care now, had it not been for Ted Kennedy's deliberately blocking the legislation that I proposed,” Carter said of the senator who died last year.

“It was his fault. Ted Kennedy killed the bill,” Carter added, blaming a political feud between the then-titans of Democratic politics. “He did not want to see me have a major success in that realm of life.”

CBS posted part of the interview on Thursday, the full story will air Sunday.

Carter gave the interview ahead of the release of his new book “White House Diary,” a printing of selected passages from a diary he kept during his time as president.

Carter also knocks Kennedy over his actions on health care in the book, according to CBS, writing: “Kennedy continuing his irresponsible and abusive attitude, immediately condemning our health plan. He couldn't get five votes for his plan.”

boutons_deux
09-22-2010, 09:41 AM
So VRWC Murdoch's WSJ, now that the VRWC conspiracy has trashed and buried Carter, is now trashing Magic Negro by likening him to Carter? How surprising.

clambake
09-22-2010, 09:58 AM
does the history say "teddy and i were the only crusaders for my healthcare plan"?

CosmicCowboy
09-22-2010, 10:10 AM
Oh PLEASE guys...

Do you have to just automatically take the opposite side of anything I say? If I criticized Reagan or Bush (and there is enough criticism to go around) would you automatically defend them?

Do you REALLY think Carter was a great President?

clambake
09-22-2010, 10:17 AM
you could have said "carter is a dick".

you didn't. you claim to have extensive knowledge of late 70's DC history regarding the truth about jimmy and teddy.

boutons_deux
09-22-2010, 10:18 AM
Carter wasn't great, but was he the garbage disaster as the VRWC has painted him? no.

VRWC darlings dubya and St Ronnie were much larger, much longer-lasting disasters than Carter, and is the entire Conservative Movement.

MannyIsGod
09-22-2010, 11:39 AM
It's not a rant. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, he was just an awful President and now he's trying to rewrite history. Example: "I would have passed universal health care 30 years ago but Teddy Kennedy undermined me out of spite."

All presidents have after their terms are their legacy. Seeing as the type of person who runs for office tends to be one with a giant ego this can't possibly surprise you.

I never saw the interviews themselves, but if Frost Nixon is accurate at all then Nixon was fairly the same. Clinton was lucky to have Bush follow him because that pretty much instantly improved his legacy.

Bush may be the one guy who doesn't give too much shit about a legacy from what I can tell, but its still early. Give him a few decades to recover and he likely will be the same.

I think this type of behavior is a personality trait of the type of person that runs.

MannyIsGod
09-22-2010, 11:40 AM
In any event, there are likely a ton of progressives who fucked healthcare over in the 70s. the plan Richard Nixon proposed back then makes Obama look like a right wing cunt. They all had a hand in screwing the pooch.

SnakeBoy
09-22-2010, 10:44 PM
Bush may be the one guy who doesn't give too much shit about a legacy from what I can tell, but its still early. Give him a few decades to recover and he likely will be the same.


I don't think so. The Bush family seems pretty unique in that when they leave public life they really leave public life.

boutons_deux
09-23-2010, 02:51 AM
"they really leave public life."

while leaving tons of shit for the next administration to clean up.

Slomo
09-23-2010, 04:00 AM
Somewhat off topic.

But why is Carter's presidency considered a failure?

I'm asking about the top three reasons in the mind of the American people why it is considered so, without going into if these are correct or not.

boutons_deux
09-23-2010, 05:10 AM
"the mind of the American people"

There is no such thing.

Carter was the first Dem president after the VRWC/Movement Conservatives got their destructive shitball rolling.

VRWC is a hateful, eliminationist, bad-faith, dishonest movement that doesn't consider anybody but themselves as legitimate holders of power.

The VRWC buried and destroyed Carter's reputation, they witch-hunted the Clintons and knee-capped his presidency (VRWC paid Paula's legal fees), and now, even more extreme, are obstructing and to trying to make fail every move by Magic Negro, whose reputation they will treat like Carter's and Clinton's.

clambake
09-23-2010, 10:05 AM
Somewhat off topic.

But why is Carter's presidency considered a failure?

I'm asking about the top three reasons in the mind of the American people why it is considered so, without going into if these are correct or not.

i'll give a couple of reasons.

gas rationing.

american hostages.

Sportcamper
09-23-2010, 10:22 AM
Slomo- I will try....
1- American esteem was at an all time low…Carter gave the impression that Americans were too fearful to respond to ANY American threat….Carter may talk tough now but he was a spineless, groveling fool of a president…
2- The Economy was terrible, people were out of work & Carter had no plan to move the country forward….
3- 21.1% was the prime rate….
4- Building was at a complete standstill…
5- Billy Carter was becoming the face of America…A crude hick that would drink beer in taxpayers paid secret service limos….Occasional Billy would pull the limo over & urinate in the street…
6- Gas Lines blocks long…
7- 30 plus years later he is trying to re write history...


Then this Cowboy from Cali came along & proposed less government, lower taxes & personal responsibility…It kind of worked….

Stump
09-23-2010, 10:26 AM
Clinton was lucky to have Bush follow him because that pretty much instantly improved his legacy.
I agree, but as bad as Bush was, I think Obama's failed presidency (thus far) has gone a long way to at least partially legitimize Bush's legacy.

clambake
09-23-2010, 10:28 AM
I agree, but as bad as Bush was, I think Obama's failed presidency (thus far) has gone a long way to at least partially legitimize Bush's legacy.

like what?

CosmicCowboy
09-23-2010, 10:36 AM
i'll give a couple of reasons.

gas rationing.

american hostages.

wage and price controls.

rjv
09-23-2010, 10:37 AM
he's still more like reagan to me.

CosmicCowboy
09-23-2010, 10:40 AM
http://bloodthirstyliberal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/19.jpg

ChumpDumper
09-23-2010, 01:38 PM
wage and price controls.Wasn't that Nixon?

TeyshaBlue
09-23-2010, 01:39 PM
Wasn't that Nixon?

That's what I was thinking! Remember the WIN buttons?


*sigh* I hope you're not that old.:lol

CosmicCowboy
09-23-2010, 01:42 PM
Wasn't that Nixon?

Oops, you are correct. I didn't like Nixon either. I was too young to vote then.

ChumpDumper
09-23-2010, 01:48 PM
Well that kind of sums up Carter in a nutshell. He gets the blame for the inflation that was already present when he took office and gets no credit for starting the policy (through Volker) that eventually stopped it.

I honestly don't know what he should have done differently during his presidency other then not be such a downer when speaking.

ChumpDumper
09-23-2010, 01:50 PM
and not talk about UFOs

ChumpDumper
09-23-2010, 01:50 PM
and not let footage of the vorpal bunny attack get out.

CosmicCowboy
09-23-2010, 01:55 PM
and quit admitting to lusting in his heart.

CosmicCowboy
09-23-2010, 01:57 PM
Plus, they dressed their kid funny.

http://www.arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/afm-style-files/wp-content/uploads/rosalynn_carter.jpg

ChumpDumper
09-23-2010, 01:58 PM
tbh I did too back then.

Supergirl
09-23-2010, 03:56 PM
Obama is much closer to Bill Clinton, who also pissed off some of his base in his 8 years in office.

DarrinS
09-23-2010, 04:01 PM
Obama is much closer to Bill Clinton, who also pissed off some of his base in his 8 years in office.

:lmao


Except Bill was way more conservative, had a GOP-controlled congress, and a far better economy.

Other than that, exactly the same.

:lmao

jack sommerset
09-23-2010, 04:02 PM
Obama is much closer to Bill Clinton, who also pissed off some of his base in his 8 years in office.

LoL!

Winehole23
09-23-2010, 05:43 PM
Didn't seem like such a ridiculous comparison to me.

With the GOP likely to take the House and approaching parity in the Senate, if Obama's unwilling to triangulate after November, he'll get very little done.

Supergirl
09-24-2010, 11:38 AM
Bill Clinton didn't have a Republican controlled Congress the whole 8 years, Obama isn't any less moderate than Clinton, and the Republicans are using exactly the same tactics and language they tried to use against Clinton. Trust me, if Obama had the same weakness (sexy Jewish interns) as Clinton, we'd be talking about why Obama "did not have sex with that woman" right now and ignoring all the issues of this country.

Republicans haven't actually changed their strategy in 20 years, really since Barry Goldwater, yet when they've gotten into office they've blown up the deficit and created more poverty and more wars. Why anyone who isn't a millionaire votes for them anymore is beyond me. Millionaires I understand why they vote Repuglican - if they're selfish douchebags who only care about their wealth, to hell with the earth and everyone else. But the only reason others vote Repuglican is because they think someday they too will be able to be that rich, selfish bastard.

Supergirl
09-24-2010, 11:38 AM
Bill Clinton didn't have a Republican controlled Congress the whole 8 years, Obama isn't any less moderate than Clinton, and the Republicans are using exactly the same tactics and language they tried to use against Clinton. Trust me, if Obama had the same weakness (sexy Jewish interns) as Clinton, we'd be talking about why Obama "did not have sex with that woman" right now and ignoring all the issues of this country.

Republicans haven't actually changed their strategy in 20 years, really since Barry Goldwater, yet when they've gotten into office they've blown up the deficit and created more poverty and more wars. Why anyone who isn't a millionaire votes for them anymore is beyond me. Millionaires I understand why they vote Repuglican - if they're selfish douchebags who only care about their wealth, to hell with the earth and everyone else. But the only reason others vote Repuglican is because they think someday they too will be able to be that rich, selfish bastard.

Winehole23
09-24-2010, 11:43 AM
And the only reason anyone votes for Dems is that people still labor under the delusion that being a Dem is somehow a corrective against being a rich, selfish bastard. It isn't.

George Gervin's Afro
09-24-2010, 11:45 AM
I want to go back to the policies that got us into this mess.!

DarrinS
09-24-2010, 12:09 PM
Damn, Supergirl needs to be deprogrammed.

Just so she knows, I voted for Bill Clinton and I also voted for the current d-bag in chief.

I don't vote for someone just because they have an (R.) after their name. People that do that are called Democrats.

DMX7
09-24-2010, 12:11 PM
I agree, but as bad as Bush was, I think Obama's failed presidency (thus far) has gone a long way to at least partially legitimize Bush's legacy.

No, it hasn't.

DMX7
09-24-2010, 12:12 PM
and not let footage of the vorpal bunny attack get out.

and not telling people to be responsible. They don't like that.

MannyIsGod
09-24-2010, 12:32 PM
Damn, Supergirl needs to be deprogrammed.

Just so she knows, I voted for Bill Clinton and I also voted for the current d-bag in chief.

I don't vote for someone just because they have an (R.) after their name. People that do that are called Democrats.

:lol Darrinbot's writer adds in the irony. 10/10

ChumpDumper
09-24-2010, 01:02 PM
Damn, Supergirl needs to be deprogrammed.
Yes, irony noted.


I don't vote for someone just because they have an (R.) after their name. People that do that are called Democrats.More win.

DarrinS
09-24-2010, 01:20 PM
Yes, irony noted.

More win.


You fail.

ChumpDumper
09-24-2010, 01:39 PM
You fail.You might want to go back and read your own post.

Without YouTubes and quoted columns, you're a lost little lamb.