Phil Jackson: Talent doesn't always win

[Ashy Larry]

Way back in June, Phil Jackson agreed to come back for one more season with the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal). In his sights was another opportunity for an NBA championship and another shot at a three-peat.

Seems an eternity ago. So much has changed -- namely the rise of a certain formidable foe in the Eastern Conference. The Miami Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia)'s mega free-agent acquisitions of LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) and Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) -- teaming with Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987) -- have all the markings of an instant championship contender.

"They got great talent," Jackson said in an interview with ESPN 1000 in Chicago. "There's no question about their talent they have. But, talent doesn't always win. The team that shows the best teamwork will win it. We think that [the Lakers] have established something. But, if [the Heat] can unite -- and build quickly -- they might be able to do it."

Jackson teams have won 11 of the past 20 NBA title and the coach is always able to add a little historical perspective.
"I always refer to when Wilt Chamberlain was traded from Philadelphia to Los Angeles and that put [Elgin] Baylor, [Jerry] West and Chamberlain together -- three of the top scorers in NBA history -- and they never won a championship together the four years they were together," Jackson said.
"It's not always scorers and talent that wins it. But it's teamwork that does it."



http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5600813

[lefty]

Dear Phil Jackson,
























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[Trainwreck2100]

True, but Phil doesn't win without it

[NRHector]

go coach the Clippers Phil let's see how you would do there

[Giuseppe]

Phil never started his happy horseshit so early. Usually didn't commiss until the second round. He's preemptively early this year.

Gloves are off, pretensions cast aside, he's assholin' it now to the end.

Not a bad strategery.

[Ashy Larry]

It's his last year. Might as well go out with a bang .... hopefully not a thud.

[Giuseppe]

^Exactly.

Even Buss was chirpin' (out of character) since The Finals.

[Obstructed_View]

Phil has to justify his existence somehow.

[Killakobe81]

Look, Phil may be the zen master but his EGO is massive. I'm sure he was looking for the main story this season to be Phil's last stand ...but LBJ and his band of merry men have stolen that. But as a coach i think he is glad his team has a "target" to shoot for. Last year unlike many of the "sheep" that post in this forum, you know the ones that thought the season was over when LBJ got Jamison to join his crew (LO they were many, where are they now?...oh yeah the san antonio Heat fans) ...Phil knew the Celtics were the target. He even Told Paulina to "meet us" in the Finals. Now he has his eyes set on a new target and so the mind games are starting early ...

[lefty]

Phil Jackson could win a championship with this guy:


http://www.dotandcom.com/kwame_animated.gif

[Killakobe81]

Phil Jackson could win a championship with this guy:


http://www.dotandcom.com/kwame_animated.gif

Hilarious ...however this version actully can catch the ball!

[silverblk mystix]

Phil was actually pretty close.

What he REALLY meant was;

The team that has the TALENT, the TEAMWORK---AND the REFS...will win it.

Your welcome.

[Giuseppe]

Phil has to justify his existence somehow.

Auerbach in that crypt frozen in time at 9 justifies just dandy.

[lefty]

Auerbach in that crypt frozen in time at 9 justifies just dandy.
Red did it with the same franchise

It's 10 times more difficult than jumping from MJ & Pip to Shaq & Kobe

[Giuseppe]

11-9, Lefty.

Tougheth lucketh.

[BlackSwordsMan]

0 & 5 miami
tee, hee

[chubster]

I'm more curious why a trio of Wilt, West and Baylor couldn't win it all. Anyone know?

[lefty]

I'm more curious why a trio of Wilt, West and Baylor couldn't win it all. Anyone know?
Red Auerbach

[Giuseppe]

...worm food.

tee, hee.

[Obstructed_View]

Auerbach in that crypt frozen in time at 9 justifies just dandy.

Not sure what a dead coach has to do with it. Again, it's not surprising to hear Phil having to explain why it takes more than the most talent in the league to win, considering he's won each of his titles with the most talent in the league. Now at least he has a potential excuse that he doesn't have the most talent in the league.

[HarlemHeat37]

West, Baylor and Wilt were all in their 30s when they joined together, IIRC..it's comparable in the sense that it's putting 3 great players together, but the actual circumstances are obviously different..

Comparing something that happened in the NBA 30+ years ago is stupid in any context you want to use it in..the NBA sees changes every few years, let alone 20-30 years ago..

Then there's the obvious factor that the 3 Kings are all in their primes..

[Rummpd]

West, Baylor and Wilt were all in their 30s when they joined together, IIRC..it's comparable in the sense that it's putting 3 great players together, but the actual circumstances are obviously different..

Comparing something that happened in the NBA 30+ years ago is stupid in any context you want to use it in..the NBA sees changes every few years, let alone 20-30 years ago..

Then there's the obvious factor that the 3 Kings are all in their primes..

Who are the Kings?

Bosh is over-rated, and while James and Wade are both fabulous their current body of work is one combined title. To me the Lakers are still the favorites.

[Sportcamper]

I'm more curious why a trio of Wilt, West and Baylor couldn't win it all. Anyone know?

Per Jerry West…Wilt & Elgin went at it from day one…BOTH had enormous egos…West could not understand the rift & stayed out of it…The year after Elgin retired the Lakers won an NBA title…

[Sportcamper]

PJ won an NBA title with Samaki Walker as the starting center for most of the season…Tell me he is not the Zen Master…

[Sisk]

True, but Phil doesn't win without it

:lol

[ohmwrecker]

Yoda is right . . . Talent alone not win championship it will.

[TheMACHINE]

did someone really say "you mad?" at Phil in this thread? Check yo self.

[Giuseppe]

Not sure what a dead coach has to do with it.

He retired prematurely thinking he was safe at 9.

Uh, uh.

[Ashy Larry]

lol @ Phil U Mad.......

I don't think Phil was taking a shot at the Heat. He knows from experience. All he's saying is just because you have talent, that doesn't guarantee a ring.

His experience: 2004 Lakers

[Obstructed_View]

He retired prematurely thinking he was safe at 9.

Uh, uh.

Nothing's safe from a guy who only takes jobs where the best players are.

[BadOdor]

Nothing's safe from a guy who only takes jobs where the best players are.

Yeah, Aur' really didn't have much to work with, did he:depressed

[Giuseppe]

Nothing's safe from a guy who only takes jobs where the best players are.

A good thing Auerbach doesn't get a do over, eh?

tee, hee.

& that record, it was so important & renowned until Jackson eclipsed it. Just shows ta go ya.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, Aur' really didn't have much to work with, did he:depressed

There is a difference between building something and inheriting something, don't ya think?

[Giuseppe]

There is a difference between building something and inheriting something, don't ya think?

True, the Suns built a terrific shoe store in your ass just this past May.

[Mel_13]

True, the Suns built a terrific shoe store in your ass just this past May.

:lol

Just when you were showing signs of being able to form coherent thoughts.

[The Batman]

True, the Suns built a terrific shoe store in your ass just this past May.

Kinda like June of 08', sir Culburn??? Yer remember, don't ye?

[BadOdor]

There is a difference between building something and inheriting something, don't ya think?

Those 9 rings should be worth like 2 nowdays. The celtics raped the league in those days, got number 1 picks, etc. Didn't a coin flip back then got you to the finals?

lol 8 team league.

[Mel_13]

Those 9 rings should be worth like 2 nowdays. The celtics raped the league in those days, got number 1 picks, etc. Didn't a coin flip back then got you to the finals?

lol 8 team league.

1. Changing the subject. :lol

2. Laker fan discounting titles because a FO took advantage of the rules and weaker teams.

3. By that combined logic, the Lakers would have about 5 titles.

[Giuseppe]

& you'd only have that 1/2 title left.

tee, hee.

[Mel_13]

& you'd only have that 1/2 title left.

tee, hee.

It was Laker fan discounting the accomplishments of other franchises, not me. Try to keep up, Cully.

[Koolaid_Man]

my man..Phil....11 rings and still shit talking....see that's how the shit is done in LA..Laker players will take notice..it's time to make history...again...

[Giuseppe]

It was Laker fan discounting the accomplishments of other franchises, not me. Try to keep up, Cully.

Oops.

[The Batman]

my man..Phil....11 rings and still shit talking....see that's how the shit is done in LA..Laker players will take notice..it's time to make history...again...

Care to start a thread with your prediction?

[Koolaid_Man]

Care to start a thread with your prediction?


not yet...wait till tip tip...ok sweetie with the bleedy vajeedy...:lol

[The Batman]

not yet...wait till tip tip...ok sweetie with the bleedy vajeedy...:lol

Yet you are on record wishing you were a white girl, I'm guessing so Kobe can make your vajeedy bleedy?

[Koolaid_Man]

Yet you are on record wishing you were a white girl, I'm guessing so Kobe can make your vajeedy bleedy?


I'm also on record as applying my 11.375 inch disney along with a blow torch to your mouth and the back of your cranium respectively...

[Koolaid_Man]

that's 11.375 inch...eleven point three seventy-five inch...the secret is eating electric eels...lmao

[The Batman]

I'm also on record as applying my 11.375 inch disney along with a blow torch to your mouth and the back of your cranium respectively...

Now you're on record of being a flaming faggot, as if it wasn't obvious before.

[The Batman]

that's 11.375 inch...eleven point three seventy-five inch...the secret is eating electric eels...lmao

I'm sure your math skills are as good as your hubby's :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

sup baby pecker


did your mama do that thing I asked her to do?

[Koolaid_Man]

Now you're on record of being a flaming faggot, as if it wasn't obvious before.


I'm feeling good today...spent most of the day in a meeting at a stripppppppp club eating crab and sushi...

Left the club and got a IM that my Asian Homie scored for me the following musical and video discographies ...

The Beatles Discography, Michael Jackson's Disography, Elton John's Discography, and Prince's Disography, Motown's discography..meaning I have every album and song ever produced by these artists and recording labels and paid $0.00 for it....

So next he's going to score for me every Laker game in NBA history for my archives...

:toast


So keep talking your shit son...I'm doing a'ight...

[Koolaid_Man]

Now Vulva my B-day invites are being printed....I have a few people that's dying to meet you as well... ;-)

[Koolaid_Man]

lying on the internet about your dick is the lowest form of trolling there is


Here's a quick test if I said my dick was 1 inch would that be a lie? :lmao

[ezau]

For a guy who has had Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc,Shaq, Kobe, Gasol, and Horry, that is a very, very weird statement.

[The Batman]

lol white water rafting

[Koolaid_Man]

remember no hoe shit yall try to jump me and we gonna let them ak's pop off like a drum procession ;)


naw naw...son you don't get to control the environment...you can't bring heat especially AK's...to my spot...and what you plan on driving to Vegas or some shit cause no one gonna hook you up with Heat in LA...you gonna get patted down son...you a rookie man we gone show you how we do it LA_Vegas style...

Don't worry nobody gonna jump you...Imma make sure of that...you gone see and feel how Kool living..I'm straight with my shit...you the petty money lil Indian wannabe...

[Koolaid_Man]

lol white water rafting


and I love every minute of it...ain't no shame in my white -water rafting game...:toast I'm in tune with Nature...it decompresses me...a stress reliever...just like Mike Tyson loves Birds and Pigeons.. I'm cut from the same cloth except I don't have to wear my anger on my sleeve like Mike...

[elemento]

Says the guy that had/has MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Kobe, Shaq and Gasol

[Koolaid_Man]

Vulva I fully expect your next post to be about how you got Cali-Vegas connections, or how you gonna smuggle weapons into a Vegas Casino...and to Kool's spot...lmfao...you a joke man...I got the drop on your ass...

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao you's a sucka ass nigga if you think ima just accept some invite in the mail and show up solo to "hang out" with your lame ass..you tell me the spot and ill show up in the proper fashion that i see fit

naw son...you gonna show up like call it...in fact you dont even realize how you're being played like a puppet...Kool is controlling even as we type by my Makevelian tactics...

your first trip to Vegas will be fun...may I suggest before your arrival you open an account with a local Vegas bail bondsman...and hire a lawyer just in case you need one


BTW don't let the flashing colorful lights and nice asses distract you...

I'm a pro at this shit I roll all the time...

[Killakobe81]

I'm feeling good today...spent most of the day in a meeting at a stripppppppp club eating crab and sushi...

Left the club and got a IM that my Asian Homie scored for me the following musical and video discographies ...

The Beatles Discography, Michael Jackson's Disography, Elton John's Discography, and Prince's Disography, Motown's discography..meaning I have every album and song ever produced by these artists and recording labels and paid $0.00 for it....

So next he's going to score for me every Laker game in NBA history for my archives...

:toast



So keep talking your shit son...I'm doing a'ight...

If that is legit Kool, would be willing to pay a "fair" price for the playoff series of the title years since 1980. Have the Lakers Legacy collection but there were some great Playoff performances I would love to get my hands on. There was a comeback against seattle in the late 80's that i have only seen live on TV and one on NBA's greatest games.

Also, never understood why the NBA doesnt make that stuff availble for purchase. I have seen some stuff (games on DVD) on Ebay but it's overpriced. They could make some good money on the Lakers, Celtics and especially MJ.

[TinTin]

If that is legit Kool, would be willing to pay a "fair" price for the playoff series of the title years since 1980. Have the Lakers Legacy collection but there were some great Playoff performances I would love to get my hands on. There was a comeback against seattle in the late 80's that i have only seen live on TV and one on NBA's greatest games.

Also, never understood why the NBA doesnt make that stuff availble for purchase. I have seen some stuff (games on DVD) on Ebay but it's overpriced. They could make some good money on the Lakers, Celtics and especially MJ.

:lmao Come on man, you actually believe him

[Killakobe81]

:lmao Come on man, you actually believe him

Who knows? If he legit, it's a source. If not then I get to ignore the rest.

[Ace]

now if only I was a white girl...

[LkrFan]

Red did it with the same franchise

It's 10 times more difficult than jumping from MJ & Pip to Shaq & Kobe
Bullshit. Red did it when there were like 8 or 9 teams in the NBA and no free agency. That meant his stacked teams never got broken up.

Imagine if Phil's Bulls team didn't get broken up by Mike going on a 2 year hiatus. They would have won 8 straight (but I'm glad they did so that he could come coach the Lakers).

Don't dismiss PJ because of your Laker hate. Hell, Pop hasn't won without talent either. :toast

[picc84]

Talent has won Jackson everything he has. But if Spoelstra hands some crappy books out on the plane and lets his assistants handle everything basketball related, he'll be right on level.

[TheHeatIsOn]

Phil Jackson knows Lakers aint gon 3-peat thats why he be sayin Heat might be able to do it.

[LkrFan]

Phil Jackson knows Lakers aint gon 3-peat thats why he be sayin Heat might be able to do it.

Spell check is your friend, tbh. :toast

[LkrFan]

Jon Barry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barryjo01.html) G 6-4 195
Mario Bennett (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bennema01.html) F 6-6 235
Corie Blount (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blounco01.html) F 6-9 240
Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html) G 6-6 200
Elden Campbell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/campbel01.html) C 6-11 215
Derek Fisher (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fishede01.html) G 6-1 200
Rick Fox (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foxri01.html) F-G 6-7 230
Robert Horry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horryro01.html) F 6-9 220
Eddie Jones (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesed02.html) G-F 6-6 190
Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html) C 7-1 325
Sean Rooks (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rooksse01.html) C 6-10 250
Shea Seals (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sealssh01.html) G 6-5 210
Nick Van Exel (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vanexni01.html) G 6-1 170


^This was the 1997-1998 Laker squad - who would mop the floor with the 2010 Miami Hype. Ultra talented, 2 deep at every position. STACKED in other words. What happened in the WCF? Swept by the Jazz.

I'm wondering why the media insists that the Hype are going to win it all this year. Oh well, I guess we'll see if they even make it to the Finals to find out what they are made of. :wakeup

[Chieflion]

LkrFan is a retard. How is that 1998 Laker team ultra talented, stacked? Only Shaq and Jones were good. The rest were all too young, inconsistent, or useless.

[LkrFan]

LkrFan is a retard. How is that 1998 Laker team ultra talented, stacked? Only Shaq and Jones were good. The rest were all too young, inconsistent, or useless.
Your dad should have worn a rubber.

That team won 61 games in a WC that featured players like Karl Malone, Stockton, Barkley, the Admiral, KJ, the Dream, etc. They still got swept.

Shaq - all star
Eddie Jones - all star
NVE - all star
Kobe - all star

WTF are you talking about they only had Shaq and Eddie? That team just wasn't ready. It was stacked. Just like I said.

[Chieflion]

Your dad should have worn a rubber.

That team won 61 games in a WC that featured players like Karl Malone, Stockton, Barkley, the Admiral, KJ, the Dream, etc. They still got swept.

Shaq - all star
Eddie Jones - all star
NVE - all star
Kobe - all star

WTF are you talking about they only had Shaq and Eddie? That team just wasn't ready. It was stacked. Just like I said.

NVE was inconsistent, he can go hot and cold very quickly, one of the worst all-star selections ever. Kobe was an all-star because fans loved him. He got voted in. The Lakers' forward positions got abused in the WCF by Malone. How was that team 2 deep at every position? LMAO your dad should have worn rubber. Good players do not suck so bad in the playoffs like Nick Van Exel and all-stars do not average 13.8 points and 6.9 assists and shoot only 41.9% from the field.

Nick Van Exel averaged 11.6 points in the playoffs in 98. Disappeared like Mo Williams in the playoffs and it was the only year he made an all-star game. That 98 Lakers team was Shaq and arguably with Eddie Jones, who scored 17 points per game in the playoffs and shooting with good efficiency.

Nick Van Exel had a 17.8 PER in the regular season that year, definitely not all-star efficiency and a horrible 11.5 PER that playoffs. A definition of a playoff choker from his playoff appearances. Eddie Jones showed up that year in the playoffs improving from his 18.0 PER to a 20.6.

Speaking of Kobe Bryant, he was the only one in that group who could be considered young and his skills have not developed fully yet. He was also not an all-star caliber player, playing only 26 minutes a game, although he had good production for that 26 minutes. His PER also dropped from 18.5 in the regular season to 12.8 in the playoffs. How is that team stacked?

The only guy doing the heavy workload in Shaquille O'Neal with a 28.8 PER in the regular season, putting up monster stats and carrying the team like a MVP caliber player. In the playoffs, he had a great 31.0 PER but lost because of shitty teammates like Nick Van Exel who couldn't lift his game in the playoffs and only knew how to choke.

Great fucking stacked team with Shaq carrying everybody's ass in the playoffs. It is like calling the 2009 Cavs stacked because of LeBron James.

[Koolaid_Man]

If that is legit Kool, would be willing to pay a "fair" price for the playoff series of the title years since 1980. Have the Lakers Legacy collection but there were some great Playoff performances I would love to get my hands on. There was a comeback against seattle in the late 80's that i have only seen live on TV and one on NBA's greatest games.

Also, never understood why the NBA doesnt make that stuff availble for purchase. I have seen some stuff (games on DVD) on Ebay but it's overpriced. They could make some good money on the Lakers, Celtics and especially MJ.


and this is how the rich get richer...:toast I send out the request and he puts in the work. I'm optimistic he can get it gone...Kool is a business man...first...Don't worry I got you...I will check back on timing for the LA collection...most of his stuff is done via offshore..(i.e not on the US mainland)...

[PGDynasty24]

lakers have found this out the hard way

[The_BusDriver]

my man..Phil....11 rings and still shit talking....see that's how the shit is done in LA..Laker players will take notice..it's time to make history...again...

thats what happens when you coach the two greatest players of all time.
MJ deserves all the credit for Phil's success.

MJ > Kobe. 24/7

[Ancient Hawaiians]

As the Ancient Hawaiians say, "Hiding your talent is like living on the beach and putting your sundial in the shade."

[ezau]

NVE was inconsistent, he can go hot and cold very quickly, one of the worst all-star selections ever. Kobe was an all-star because fans loved him. He got voted in. The Lakers' forward positions got abused in the WCF by Malone. How was that team 2 deep at every position? LMAO your dad should have worn rubber. Good players do not suck so bad in the playoffs like Nick Van Exel and all-stars do not average 13.8 points and 6.9 assists and shoot only 41.9% from the field.

Nick Van Exel averaged 11.6 points in the playoffs in 98. Disappeared like Mo Williams in the playoffs and it was the only year he made an all-star game. That 98 Lakers team was Shaq and arguably with Eddie Jones, who scored 17 points per game in the playoffs and shooting with good efficiency.

Nick Van Exel had a 17.8 PER in the regular season that year, definitely not all-star efficiency and a horrible 11.5 PER that playoffs. A definition of a playoff choker from his playoff appearances. Eddie Jones showed up that year in the playoffs improving from his 18.0 PER to a 20.6.

Speaking of Kobe Bryant, he was the only one in that group who could be considered young and his skills have not developed fully yet. He was also not an all-star caliber player, playing only 26 minutes a game, although he had good production for that 26 minutes. His PER also dropped from 18.5 in the regular season to 12.8 in the playoffs. How is that team stacked?

The only guy doing the heavy workload in Shaquille O'Neal with a 28.8 PER in the regular season, putting up monster stats and carrying the team like a MVP caliber player. In the playoffs, he had a great 31.0 PER but lost because of shitty teammates like Nick Van Exel who couldn't lift his game in the playoffs and only knew how to choke.

Great fucking stacked team with Shaq carrying everybody's ass in the playoffs. It is like calling the 2009 Cavs stacked because of LeBron James.

It's a case of Daddy, being always the daddy.

Batman>Robin

[Killakobe81]

It's a case of Daddy, being always the daddy.

Batman>Robin

What's withthe Kobe/MJ sig? who on here even argues Kobe> or even = MJ?
Some of yall must be nervous about #6 ...

[LkrFan]

NVE was inconsistent, he can go hot and cold very quickly, one of the worst all-star selections ever. Kobe was an all-star because fans loved him. He got voted in. The Lakers' forward positions got abused in the WCF by Malone. How was that team 2 deep at every position? LMAO your dad should have worn rubber. Good players do not suck so bad in the playoffs like Nick Van Exel and all-stars do not average 13.8 points and 6.9 assists and shoot only 41.9% from the field.

Nick Van Exel averaged 11.6 points in the playoffs in 98. Disappeared like Mo Williams in the playoffs and it was the only year he made an all-star game. That 98 Lakers team was Shaq and arguably with Eddie Jones, who scored 17 points per game in the playoffs and shooting with good efficiency.

Nick Van Exel had a 17.8 PER in the regular season that year, definitely not all-star efficiency and a horrible 11.5 PER that playoffs. A definition of a playoff choker from his playoff appearances. Eddie Jones showed up that year in the playoffs improving from his 18.0 PER to a 20.6.

Speaking of Kobe Bryant, he was the only one in that group who could be considered young and his skills have not developed fully yet. He was also not an all-star caliber player, playing only 26 minutes a game, although he had good production for that 26 minutes. His PER also dropped from 18.5 in the regular season to 12.8 in the playoffs. How is that team stacked?

The only guy doing the heavy workload in Shaquille O'Neal with a 28.8 PER in the regular season, putting up monster stats and carrying the team like a MVP caliber player. In the playoffs, he had a great 31.0 PER but lost because of shitty teammates like Nick Van Exel who couldn't lift his game in the playoffs and only knew how to choke.

Great fucking stacked team with Shaq carrying everybody's ass in the playoffs. It is like calling the 2009 Cavs stacked because of LeBron James.
PER-fict argument. :rolleyes

No one gives a shit about PER but you and Hollinger.

[Chieflion]

PER-fict argument. :rolleyes

No one gives a shit about PER but you and Hollinger.

LkrFan is so retarded he doesn't get the point that low efficiency players paired with a superstar doesn't win a championship, whether they are age 20 or 30. LMAO thinking NVE is an all-star caliber player.

[ohmwrecker]

As the Ancient Hawaiians say, "Hiding your talent is like living on the beach and putting your sundial in the shade."

If you live on the beach, who gives a shit what time it is?! Hawaiians are stupid.

[Giuseppe]

No one gives a shit about PER but you and Hollinger.

GD rights.

[Banzai]

Phil is right..look at 2004 Lakers..got bumped in the rump by the Pistons.

[Ace]

LkrFan is so retarded he doesn't get the point that low efficiency players paired with a superstar doesn't win a championship, whether they are age 20 or 30. LMAO thinking NVE is an all-star caliber player.

He doesn't understand simple logic. Not much can't be expected out of him.

[TheMACHINE]

chieflion's the only guy in the world who thought Cavs we're gonna get eliminated in the second round. He's a genuis.