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ElNono
09-22-2010, 10:54 PM
Back When The Senate Tried To Ban Dial Telephones (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100919/02284211072/back-when-the-senate-tried-to-ban-dial-telephones.shtml)
from the a-series-of-tubes dept

With a group of Senators now looking to block (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100920/12460811083/us-senators-propose-bill-to-censor-any-sites-the-justice-depatement-declares-pirate-sites-worldwide.shtml) various websites the Justice Department deems as "pirate," websites, it's worth taking a look back at how Senators can be rather silly in their rush to ban certain technologies, highlighting why it's generally not a good idea when politicians get involved in technology. The Nieman Journalism Lab points us (http://twitter.com/NiemanLab/statuses/24786653282) to the news that, back in 1930, the Senate came close to banning dial telephones (http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Considers_Banning_Dial_Phones.htm) (where you dialed them yourself), preferring to have an operator do the connection instead. To the anti-dial Senators, it was seen as inappropriate to do the work of operators themselves. The resolution, which passed, read:

Whereas dial telephones are more difficult to operate than are manual telephones; and Whereas Senators are required, since the installation of dial phones in the Capitol, to perform the duties of telephone operators in order to enjoy the benefits of telephone service; and Whereas dial telephones have failed to expedite telephone service; Therefore be it resolved that the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate is authorized and directed to order the Chesapeake and Potomac Telephone Co. to replace with manual phones within 30 days after the adoption of this resolution, all dial telephones in the Senate wing of the United States Capitol and in the Senate office building.

Now, it's true that the resolution only impacted the Senate -- but when another Senator asked why they didn't ban dial phones from all of Washington DC, Senator Carter Glass from Virginia who sponsored the resolution apparently said that "he hoped the phone company would take the hint," and would remove all dial phones.

While the resolution did pass, some younger Senators were apparently upset about it -- as they actually preferred to dial their own numbers, and put forth a resolution to let Senators choose which they wanted -- leading to a "compromise" where those who wanted dial phones could keep them, but those who wanted to have the operator handle the difficulty for them, could do so. As one Senator, Clarence Dill, noted in support of the ban:

In his experience, the dial phone "could not be more awkward than it is. One has to use both hands to dial; he must be in a position where there is good light, day or night, in order to see the number; and if he happens to turn the dial not quite far enough, then he gets a wrong connection."

Is it any wonder that some of us think that it's not a good idea for elected officials to determine the relative merits of technology?

Wild Cobra
09-22-2010, 11:08 PM
Yep, damn demonrats.

Wild Cobra
09-22-2010, 11:37 PM
All four mentioned are demonrats:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/pg137.jpg (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/senate/notabledays/chap5.pdf)

Full book, 4.3 meg zip file:

200 Notable Days: Senate Stories, 1787 to 2002 (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/senate/notabledays/notabledays.zip)

Parker2112
09-22-2010, 11:43 PM
With a group of Senators now looking to block (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100920/12460811083/us-senators-propose-bill-to-censor-any-sites-the-justice-depatement-declares-pirate-sites-worldwide.shtml) various websites the Justice Department deems as "pirate," websites

vs.


banning dial phones

=

not even fucking close.

Banning a technology vs. silencing the voice of opposition. Even if thats not the case now, even if they target actual pirating websites, once you put that power in govt hands, and remove those freedoms from folks' back pockets, its just a matter of time till the power to block websites is abused. Till the precedent is misinterpreted. Till the regulation becomes enforced to expanse.

Wild Cobra
09-22-2010, 11:47 PM
vs.



=

not even fucking close.

Banning a technology vs. silencing the voice of opposition. Even if thats not the case now, even if they target actual pirating websites, once you put that power in govt hands, and remove those freedoms from folks' back pockets, its just a matter of time till the power to block websites is abused. Till the precedent is misinterpreted. Till the regulation becomes enforced to expanse.
Don't get yourself lost in titles. These things usually have other measures that do prohibit legal things.

Parker2112
09-22-2010, 11:54 PM
bottom line: its one power grab after another.

ElNono
09-23-2010, 07:53 AM
Yep, damn demonrats.

This is hardly a partisan problem. Who can forget Ted Stevens' "Internet is a series of tubes"?

It's about not understanding technology. And more often than not, the results are embarrassing when looked in retrospective...

TeyshaBlue
09-23-2010, 08:50 AM
Yep, damn demonrats.

sweet baby jesus. Seriously?

CosmicCowboy
09-23-2010, 08:59 AM
The sad part is, the "capitol switchboard office" still employs a staff of more than two dozen in 2010.

Wild Cobra
09-23-2010, 09:18 PM
This is hardly a partisan problem. Who can forget Ted Stevens' "Internet is a series of tubes"?

I agree. However, the demonrats are the ones who do more damage in regards to our rights and national health.

boutons_deux
09-23-2010, 09:34 PM
"demonrats are the ones who do more damage in regards to our rights and national health."

You Lie.

VWRC/conservatives/Repugs have driven the USA into the ground, into the current economic disaster created by the capitalists/financial sector.

ElNono
09-23-2010, 09:44 PM
I agree. However, the demonrats are the ones who do more damage in regards to our rights and national health.

Don't get me started. I'll just state that I disagree. They're both as bad.

Wild Cobra
09-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Don't get me started. I'll just state that I disagree. They're both as bad.
At least we both agree they are both bad. just not to the level.