Texas State Board of Ed Goes Islamophobia

[Nbadan]

A non-binding resolution.....what idiots...



AUSTIN, Texas — The Texas State Board of Education adopted a resolution Friday that seeks to curtail references to Islam in Texas textbooks, as social conservative board members warned of what they describe as a creeping Middle Eastern influence in the nation's publishing industry.

The board approved the one-page nonbinding resolution, which urges textbook publishers to limit what they print about Islam in world history books, by a 7-5 vote.

Critics say it's another example of the ideological board trying to politicize public education in the Lone Star State. Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network, which advocates for religious freedom, questioned why the resolution came at a time when "anti-Muslim rhetoric in this country has reached fever pitch."

"It's hard not to conclude that the misleading claims in this resolution are either based on ignorance of what's in the textbooks or, on the other hand, are an example of fear-mongering and playing politics," Miller said.

Future boards that will choose the state's next generation of social studies texts will not be bound by the resolution.

"This is an expression of the board's opinion, so it does not have an effect on any particular textbook," said David Anderson, the general counsel for the Texas Education Agency, when asked by a board member what legal weight the resolution would carry.

"So this is a cosmetic exercise?" asked board member Mavis Knight, a Democrat from Dallas.

The resolution cites world history books no longer used in Texas schools that it says devoted more lines of text to Islamic beliefs and practices than Christian ones. Chairwoman Gail Lowe said the resolution cites old books because board rules prohibit them from discussing current books more than 90 days after their adoption.

"I believe that it's happening in the current (social studies books) even though we can't cover that in the resolution," said board member Terri Leo, a Republican from Spring. The resolution sends a "clear message to publishers that it should not happen in the future."

The resolution also claims "more such discriminatory treatment of religion may occur as Middle Easterners buy into the U.S. public school textbook oligopoly, as they are doing now."

Two Republicans broke from their party to vote with the Democrats. Two Democrats – Mary Helen Berlanga of Corpus Christi and Rene Nunez of El Paso – were absent for the vote. The initial vote on the resolution was 7-6, but the board later reconsidered the measure. The second vote was 7-5 after a Democratic board member left the meeting.

Social conservatives control the 15-member board for now, although the landscape is set to change after one member of the bloc lost his primary election bid and another chose not to seek re-election. The board in recent years has become a battleground for social conservatives and liberal watchdogs, each accusing the other of imposing ideological agendas into what about 4.8 million public school students learn in Texas classrooms.

Huff (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/24/texas-board-of-education-islam-references_n_738930.html)

USA! USA! USA!

[Winehole23]

The islamophobia is non-binding. That's a mercy.

[boutons_deux]

Do these racist bullying "Christian Taliban" theocratic supremacist assholes show evidence from textbooks that are pro-Islam/anti-Christian?

[DarrinS]

Do these racist bullying "Christian Taliban" theocratic supremacist assholes show evidence from textbooks that are pro-Islam/anti-Christian?


Islam is not a race.

[MiamiHeat]

damn bleeding hearts dont seem to get it

You are using your hippie ideas to bunch Islam in with Christianity, etc and all other peaceful religions

Islam does not work that way. The Quran COMMANDS all muslims to behave in a certain way, and to treat anyone else that is not a muslim as an infidel who must either die or be converted. PERIOD

yes, there are "peaceful muslims" but that's only because they are peaceful PEOPLE who don't want to follow their religion faithfully due to their nature.

[boutons_deux]

Who said Islam was a race?

"Quran COMMANDS all muslims to behave in a certain way"

The Bible, having excluded non-Christians from heaven (just like the Koran condemns infidels), commands Christians to tithe 10%. SUCKERS! :lol

And if "Christians" really live by the OT (which they seem to love and follow much more closely than the NT), I bet you wouldn't like it much. Well, actually, you probably would. :lol

[Mr. Peabody]

damn bleeding hearts dont seem to get it

You are using your hippie ideas to bunch Islam in with Christianity, etc and all other peaceful religions

Islam does not work that way. The Quran COMMANDS all muslims to behave in a certain way, and to treat anyone else that is not a muslim as an infidel who must either die or be converted. PERIOD

yes, there are "peaceful muslims" but that's only because they are peaceful PEOPLE who don't want to follow their religion faithfully due to their nature.

I don't think that's correct. I took a World Religions class in college and seem to recall that the Quran recognizes Jews and Christians as "People of the Scripture" and gives them special reverence. You have to remember that Muslims believe that they worship the God of Abraham, just as Christians and Jews do. A tenet of Islam is that their scriptures are merely a completion of the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.

For example -


And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit. [Qur'an 29:46]


The Jews say: "The Christians have nothing to stand upon"; and the Christians say: "The Jews have nothing to stand upon." Yet they both have something to stand upon, they both recite the Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. (Qur'an 2:113)


Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .(3:113-115)

That seems to be a little different (in fact, it's the complete fucking opposite) from commanding Muslims to kill Christians and Jews.

[ElNono]

Nuanced...

[ElNono]

That seems to be a little different (in fact, it's the complete fucking opposite) from commanding Muslims to kill Christians and Jews.

You just don't get it

[ChuckD]

A lot of what people don't like about "Islam" is detritus left over and mixed in from the Bedouin culture, which FAR pre-dates Islam. If you read the Quran, it's nothing like what a lot of the people in the Middle East practice as Islam.

[boutons_deux]

Cutting off noses (Yoni's favorite Muslim practice), labia, clits, sewing up vaginas, honor killings, acid baths, etc are in the Koran?

[MiamiHeat]

Surah 5 : 51 “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.”



"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)


"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)


how about TAQIYA?

Taqiya is a command to muslims that allows them to LIE to infidels in order to defeat them. They can say whatever you want if gives them an advantage to further their HOLY WAR (JIHAD). This means some "peacemaker" muslims like the one at Ground Zero can be flat out fucking liars, who say one thing to the West, and another thing to the Muslims.

[MiamiHeat]

here are some little samples of Muhammad :

Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.



Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.

[MiamiHeat]

lol@ the hippies who really don't understand how the world works.

Islam is a religion, so by default it must be a peaceful religion like all the others!!!!!111!!! LETS HOLD HANDS AND STOP FIGHTING!!111one!

[Stringer_Bell]

I like how in the Koran, it starts off all cool and the people of the scripture are buddies, but as he gets older and starts fighting...he writes new portions that reverse what he said about being cool with everyone. Yep, that's how it works in the Koran. Piss off Muhammad and he writes some fucked up shit about you for his followers to carry out...God Bless Texas!

[Bartleby]

"a peaceful religion like all others"

:rollin

If you're looking for violence in religious texts, stupid arcane laws, and contradictions, one need look no further than the Bible itself.

Besides, we can't eradicate Islam, we can't outlaw it, and it makes no sense to pretend it doesn't exist, so all this hysteria is really pointless.

[ChumpDumper]

lol@ the hippies who really don't understand how the world works.

Islam is a religion, so by default it must be a peaceful religion like all the others!!!!!111!!! LETS HOLD HANDS AND STOP FIGHTING!!111one!Do all Muslims want to kill all Christians and Jews?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Lol at those arm chair quoran experts

[DarrinS]

I don't think they should take out references to Islam in history books. How are they going to teach kids about 9/11?

[ploto]

I guess if Jefferson is not part of US history then Islamic people must not be part of World History.

[Spurminator]

Just don't call them Islamophobic or it'll REALLY piss them off.

[Oh, Gee!!]

3 books no longer in circulation have more lines about Islam!!! The terrorists are winning!!

[redzero]

Do all Muslims want to kill all Christians and Jews?

If they were good Muslims, they would. Just like good Christians should kill non-believers, too.

[Winehole23]

here are some little samples of Muhammad :

Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.



Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.Tribal sagas and creeds are fierce, but there's a little bit of trickeration too. Ever read the Old testament?

[Winehole23]

"Golden calf" ring a bell?

[Nbadan]

Just don't call them Islamophobic or it'll REALLY piss them off.

....way to kill a joke...

[byrontx]

damn bleeding hearts dont seem to get it

You are using your hippie ideas to bunch Islam in with Christianity, etc and all other peaceful religions

Islam does not work that way. The Quran COMMANDS all muslims to behave in a certain way, and to treat anyone else that is not a muslim as an infidel who must either die or be converted. PERIOD

yes, there are "peaceful muslims" but that's only because they are peaceful PEOPLE who don't want to follow their religion faithfully due to their nature.

Like Christians haven't done the same damn thing. When the Irish Catholics and Protestants were busy whacking the shit out of each other did that make you a terrorist, too?

[Oh, Gee!!]

By the sboe's logic, darrin is more sympathic to islam than christianity since he devotes more threads and youtube video to islam than he does to christianity

[Spurminator]

....way to kill a joke...

What joke?

I don't think you understood my post. It wasn't directed at you.

[LnGrrrR]

I like how in the Koran, it starts off all cool and the people of the scripture are buddies, but as he gets older and starts fighting...he writes new portions that reverse what he said about being cool with everyone. Yep, that's how it works in the Koran. Piss off Muhammad and he writes some fucked up shit about you for his followers to carry out...God Bless Texas!

The opposite happened from the OT to the NT; God mellowed out a lot.

[Drachen]

I guess if Jefferson is not part of US history then Islamic people must not be part of World History.

Should we change the name of Algebra too? Change it to Smithra or something?

[boutons_deux]

TSBE will want TX kids to use Roman numerals instead of Arabic numerals, and drop zero because it's from Hindu mystics.

Does TSBE drink al cohol

[Trainwreck2100]

TSBE will want TX kids to use Roman numerals instead of Arabic numerals, and drop zero because it's from Hindu mystics.

Does TSBE drink al cohol

we'll keep zero cause it was invented by the mayans

[ChumpDumper]

we'll keep zero cause it was invented by the mayansMexicans!

They are still beheading white people!

[Stringer_Bell]

Like Christians haven't done the same damn thing. When the Irish Catholics and Protestants were busy whacking the shit out of each other did that make you a terrorist, too?

Now THAT was a political issue, and had been going on openly since 1916...and eventually a political solution was reached that during the 90s.

[Winehole23]

The opposite happened from the OT to the NT; God mellowed out a lot.Yeah. For better and for worse, the Christians never did.

The OT is still relevant. You just can't lop off Moses and Solomon from the Judeo-Christian tradition.

The new covenant doesn't provide perfect immunity from archaisms. Just look around.

[Winehole23]

As truly scary/bizarre as the prophetic books of the OT are, the Book of Matthew can make even relative non-believers soak their drawers. It about did me.

[Winehole23]

Matthew 5:48 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A48&version=NIV).

Dial up your version, if desired.

[RandomGuy]

A lot of what people don't like about "Islam" is detritus left over and mixed in from the Bedouin culture, which FAR pre-dates Islam. If you read the Quran, it's nothing like what a lot of the people in the Middle East practice as Islam.

Bingo.

Islam and Arabic/North African culture are not entirely interchangable.

Still I find the anti-Islamic hysteria on the part of ignorant Christians funny in a sad kind of way.

Or is it sad in a funny kind of way?

[TeyshaBlue]

Bingo.

Islam and Arabic/North African culture are not entirely interchangable.

Still I find the anti-Islamic hysteria on the part of ignorant Christians funny in a sad kind of way.

Or is it sad in a funny kind of way?

Neither. It's just sadly ignorant....and willfully by all appearances.:depressed

[LnGrrrR]

I don't think they should take out references to Islam in history books. How are they going to teach kids about 9/11?

Of course, you would think 9/11 is the most historical event that Islam is related to.

[LnGrrrR]

Matthew 5:48 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A48&version=NIV).

Dial up your version, if desired.

I find the passages before that quote to be quite relevant.



38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23273g)] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.


I think most religious conservatives just skip by these passages.


43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23278h)] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[i (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23279i)] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Don't see many conservatives practicing that one either.

[DarrinS]

Of course, you would think 9/11 is the most historical event that Islam is related to.



Certainly the most historical event related to Islam in this century?

[LnGrrrR]

Certainly the most historical event related to Islam in this century?

Given that the century is all of 10 years old, that's not saying a whole lot, is it?

Or do you propose that children should only learn about history if it happened in the past 50 years or so?

[MannyIsGod]

What other Islamic related events are you comparing it to, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

What other Islamic related events are you comparing it to, Darrin?

What other ones are there that AREN'T related to terrorism?


Guess who said this:

"9/11 was a watershed, was a major milestone, and a major catalytic force in, in catalyzing the attention towards the issue of Islam, it’s presence in the West, and it brought into much greater prominence our work and the importance of our work."

[Spurminator]

What other ones are there that AREN'T related to terrorism?


Guess who said this:

"9/11 was a watershed, was a major milestone, and a major catalytic force in, in catalyzing the attention towards the issue of Islam, it’s presence in the West, and it brought into much greater prominence our work and the importance of our work."

There is nothing wrong with that quote unless you're implying that "our work" means something sinister. I wonder if the scare blog you pulled that quote from actually give the source/context of the quote?

[MannyIsGod]

What other ones are there that AREN'T related to terrorism?


Guess who said this:

"9/11 was a watershed, was a major milestone, and a major catalytic force in, in catalyzing the attention towards the issue of Islam, it’s presence in the West, and it brought into much greater prominence our work and the importance of our work."


Yeah, you're not Islamophobic - Why would anyone ever think that?

[DarrinS]

Yeah, you're not Islamophobic - Why would anyone ever think that?

Can you name one?

[Spurminator]

Why is learning about Islam limited to it's relation to so-called "events"?? What Christian "events" do kids learn about in school?

[LnGrrrR]

Given that the century is all of 10 years old, that's not saying a whole lot, is it?

Or do you propose that children should only learn about history if it happened in the past 50 years or so?

Any answer DarrinS?

[LnGrrrR]

By DarrinS logic, any music majors should extensively study Britney Spears, as she was a wildly popular musician throughout this century. No need to study Muddy Waters, Beatles or Elvis; they aren't contemporary to today's music scene.

[Blake]

What other ones are there that AREN'T related to terrorism?


huh?

What other Islamic events AREN'T related to terrorism?

huh?

[Winehole23]

Besides all of them? None of them, I guess.

[redzero]

I find the passages before that quote to be quite relevant.



I think most religious conservatives just skip by these passages.



Don't see many conservatives practicing that one either.

Well, in one passage the Bible tells Christians not to harm others and in another it tells Christians (and I guess Jews) to kill non-believers.

[DarrinS]

huh?

What other Islamic events AREN'T related to terrorism?

huh?



No examples?

[LnGrrrR]

No examples?


Any answer DarrinS?

Still waiting.

[LnGrrrR]

Well, in one passage the Bible tells Christians not to harm others and in another it tells Christians (and I guess Jews) to kill non-believers.

The Bible does like to cover its ass. As do people who quote the OT to contravene the NT's words, and vice versa.

[MannyIsGod]

Darrin thinks we have to provide him examples for something so blatantly obvious in order to prove not all events related to Islam involve terrorism and doesn't see how this inherently proves his bias.

Seeking proof that the sky is blue indicates a bias even if Darrin is once again too stupid to realize it.

[MannyIsGod]

For shits and giggles, perhaps the Hajj can be considered an important event in the grand scheme of the world in the eyes of Darrin.

[Winehole23]

Praying in the direction of Mecca daily is an Islamic event. Maybe it should be curtailed out of consideration for 9/11 survivors.

[Blake]

Praying in the direction of Mecca daily is an Islamic event. Maybe it should be curtailed out of consideration for 9/11 survivors.

if it's within 2 blocks of Ground Zero, it absolutely should.

praying in the direction of pastor John Hagee might be ok.

[DarrinS]

Darrin thinks we have to provide him examples for something so blatantly obvious in order to prove not all events related to Islam involve terrorism and doesn't see how this inherently proves his bias.

Seeking proof that the sky is blue indicates a bias even if Darrin is once again too stupid to realize it.



I was thinking about things like first flight by the Wright brothers, Ford's Model-T, first radio broadcast, invention of television, landing on the moon, personal computer, internet, medical breakthoughs, etc. etc.

[ElNono]

I was thinking about things like first flight by the Wright brothers, Ford's Model-T, first radio broadcast, invention of television, landing on the moon, personal computer, internet, medical breakthoughs, etc. etc.

I guess you never heard of the Islamic Golden Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age). Plenty of events of the type you describe there for those caring to look. I have to conclude that for Islamophobes, ignorance is bliss.

[DarrinS]

I guess you never heard of the Islamic Golden Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age). Plenty of events of the type you describe there for those caring to look. I have to conclude that for Islamophobes, ignorance is bliss.

That's why I said the last 100 years.

[ElNono]

That's why I said the last 100 years.

Then you cite 'first flight by the Wright brothers' as an example, which was over 100 years ago... If you're going to cherry pick, at least do it right...

[DarrinS]

Then you cite 'first flight by the Wright brothers' as an example, which was over 100 years ago... If you're going to cherry pick, at least do it right...


Talk about cherry picking. The Wright brothers' flight was 107 years ago, but it wasn't the mid 13th century.

[Drachen]

Unfortunately for you Darrin, the class is called "Social Studies" and not "Recent history" or "Current Events." The "Islamic Golden Age" is a part of social studies as is 9/11. How come there isn't more of a mention of the Inquisition in school? I think the Salem witch trials did get a paragraph, maybe the part about Martin Luther being batshit crazy, or more recently the fact that the KKK used religion to justify their actions, that people are getting killed and discriminated against RIGHT NOW because of their sexual preference in the name of the Christians' preferred book . . . .

[ElNono]

Talk about cherry picking. The Wright brothers' flight was 107 years ago, but it wasn't the mid 13th century.

You brought it up, not me. The least you could do is fact check your own claims.

Ultimately, we've built upon that Golden Era legacy, as much as we've built upon Wright's brothers discovery. That you don't want to acknowledge it by putting some kind of arbitrary metric tells me much more about you than what it tells me about them.

But, if you're really looking for current events, you could look up Orhan Pamuk. A Muslim who won the Nobel Prize for literature in '06. I'm sure there's more out there, but I'm not going to do your homework for you.

[MannyIsGod]

Darrin just doesn't get the fact that his assumption is a textbook case of bias.

[LnGrrrR]

That's why I said the last 100 years.

You read it here folks, DarrinS thinks history books shouldn't bother to go back more than 100 years. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

I was thinking about things like first flight by the Wright brothers, Ford's Model-T, first radio broadcast, invention of television, landing on the moon, personal computer, internet, medical breakthoughs, etc. etc.

Ok. So you want to see where a major religion has furthered the boundaries of technology. Correct?:lmao


Please tell me that's not what you're asking.:depressed

[DarrinS]

Ok. So you want to see where a major religion has furthered the boundaries of technology. Correct?:lmao


Please tell me that's not what you're asking.:depressed


No, I'm saying that in a history of the 20th century, any mention of Islam would almost certainly be related to a terrorist event.

[TeyshaBlue]

No, I'm saying that in a history of the 20th century, any mention of Islam would almost certainly be related to a terrorist event.

Depends upon where you choose to gather your "mentions" now, doesn't it? I suspect if you had the balls to endure another viewpoint, then you would likely find quite a bit of info outside of the loving embrace of Fox News or Western journalism in whole.

[LnGrrrR]

No, I'm saying that in a history of the 20th century, any mention of Islam would almost certainly be related to a terrorist event.

Really? :lol

So, in your mind, the ONLY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT EVENTS RELATED TO ISLAM in the years 1901-2000 were terrorism-related?

Are you sure you really want to say that? :lol

[Winehole23]

DarrinS speaks both for historians and for history itself.

Grandiose, much?:lol

[DarrinS]

Really? :lol

So, in your mind, the ONLY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT EVENTS RELATED TO ISLAM in the years 1901-2000 were terrorism-related?

Are you sure you really want to say that? :lol


Well, probably moreso from 1970-present.

[LnGrrrR]

In fairness to DarrinS, Malcom X was well known for the terrorist attacks he masterminded.

And let's not forget about that infamous suicide bomber, Muhammad Ali.

Or perhaps DarrinS just meant "true" Muslims? Or maybe these Muslims weren't noteworthy enough? Or maybe these were people, and DarrinS is going to limit it strictly to "events" that were sponsored by Islam.

For that matter, what great strides/events did Christianity give us in the last century?

[LnGrrrR]

Well, probably moreso from 1970-present.

You read it here folks! DarrinS thinks all history books should only go back 100, er, 40 years!

[Blake]

No, I'm saying that in a history of the 20th century, any mention of Islam would almost certainly be related to a terrorist event.

http://islamevents.com/

Terror!

[DarrinS]

You read it here folks! DarrinS thinks all history books should only go back 100, er, 40 years!


Here's an idea for a thread:

How should 9/11 be taught in schools? Should it ever mention Islam? The current attorney general can't even bring himself to say radical Islam.

[TeyshaBlue]

In fairness to DarrinS, Malcom X was well known for the terrorist attacks he masterminded.

And let's not forget about that infamous suicide bomber, Muhammad Ali.

Or perhaps DarrinS just meant "true" Muslims? Or maybe these Muslims weren't noteworthy enough? Or maybe these were people, and DarrinS is going to limit it strictly to "events" that were sponsored by Islam.

For that matter, what great strides/events did Christianity give us in the last century?


Dude...Televangelism truly stretched the boundaries of stage make-up and portable cameras!

[TeyshaBlue]

Here's an idea for a thread:

How should 9/11 be taught in schools? Should it ever mention Islam? The current attorney general can't even bring himself to say radical Islam.

The field has been completely obliterated by your constant goal post moves.
Please, think of the landscapers!

[ChumpDumper]

Here's an idea for a thread:

How should 9/11 be taught in schools? Should it ever mention Islam? The current attorney general can't even bring himself to say radical Islam.Sure it should mention Islam, but your statement about the current AG is another stupid lie.
I certainly think that it's possible that people who espouse a radical version of Islam have had an ability to have an impact on people like Mr. Shahzad.

[LnGrrrR]

Here's an idea for a thread:

How should 9/11 be taught in schools? Should it ever mention Islam? The current attorney general can't even bring himself to say radical Islam.

Surely, 9/11 should mention religion, radical Islam and whatnot, and use it as a means to discuss differences of religion, and how religion and politics often intertwine. Of course, that's a completely different argument than the one you were talking about before, but we know that.

[LnGrrrR]

Sure it should mention Islam, but your statement about the current AG is another stupid lie.

DarrinS is just pissy because the current AG won't say that a majority of Muslims are radical terrorists-in-training.

Thank God that DarrinS is watching them like a hawk on our airplanes, ensuring our safety.

[Blake]

DarrinS is just pissy because the current AG won't say that a majority of Muslims are radical terrorists-in-training.

Thank God that DarrinS is watching them like a hawk on our airplanes, ensuring our safety.

http://media.lunch.com/d/d7/207705.jpg?2

Darrin would watch him like a hawk.

[DarrinS]

DarrinS is just pissy because the current AG won't say that a majority of Muslims are radical terrorists-in-training.

He won't even say radical Islam -- period.

[LnGrrrR]

He won't even say radical Islam -- period.

Uhm...



Originally Posted by Eric Holder, C-Span 5/13/2010

I certainly think that it's possible that people who espouse a radical version of Islam have had an ability to have an impact on people like Mr. Shahzad.


The only difference between what he said, and what you're saying, is that you're implying Islam itself is radical. Which makes what the AG said more correct, as you've posted yourself (fringe elements).

[ChumpDumper]

The only difference between what he said, and what you're saying, is that you're implying Islam itself is radical. Which makes what the AG said more correct, as you've posted yourself (fringe elements).Another difference is Darrin is lying.

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Colo. Ed Board Members Who Pushed AP History Changes May Face Recall

Three conservative members of the Jefferson County school board in Colorado may face consequences for seeking unpopular changes to the AP U.S. History course last year.

Critics of the school board on Tuesday submitted more than double the number of petition signatures needed to order recall votes for three members of the school board in the November election, according to the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28549973/jeffco-recall-supporters-turn-30-000-signatures).

"The message is clear, the people of Jefferson County want to hold this board majority accountable and demand a recall vote on November 3," Tina Gurdikian, one of the co-founders of Jeffco United For Action, the group that organized the petitions, said on Tuesday, according to Chalkbeat Colorado (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/Jeffco%20United%20For%20Action).

"They really are driving away our teachers by showing a great amount of disrespect for them," Wendy McCord, Gurdikian's co-founder at Jeffco United For Action said of the school board, according to the Associated Press (http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Colorado-history-class-review-leads-to-recall-6410361.php). "They are dismissive of students and parents who have concerns and try to express them as well."

The board members -- Ken Witt, Julie Williams and John Newkirk -- have been criticized by students and parents for their attempted changes to the AP U.S. History curriculum.

After the College Board released a new framework for the course, which was unpopular with conservatives (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/larry-krieger-ap-us-history-conservatives) across the country, the newly-elected conservative faction on the Jefferson County board of education attempted to alter the College Board's changes.

The JeffCo board set out to form a curriculum review committee that would make sure (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/colorado-students-ap-us-history-protest) that the AP U.S. History course presented "positive aspects of the United States and its heritage" and did not "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law." :lol

Following massive student protests (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/colorado-protests-ap-history-escalate) in Jefferson County, the board ultimately canceled its review of the AP history curriculum.

Jefferson County residents have also recently expressed disapproval of the board's raise for the school district's superintendent and their salary negotiations with teachers, according to theDenver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28390970/jeffco-school-board-members-recall-petition-goes-clerk).

Now that the petitions have been submitted, the clerk has 15 days to verify the signatures, and then the petitions face a 15-day protest period. If the petitions are protested, the Jefferson County school district would have to fund a costly special election. Otherwise, the recall elections will take place in the November general election.

School Board President Ken Witt, one of the members who faces a recall, won't protest the petitions and said he is not worried about the potential for a recall election.

"I'm disappointed that there is a distraction, but we're going to remain focused on what we heard loudly from voters (in 2013)," Witt told Denver television station KUSA (http://www.9news.com/story/news/education/2015/07/28/student-protests-recall/30783877/).

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/colorado-ap-history-recall

Repugs continue to try to create a fantasy world. USSR's Pravda editors would be pleased.

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Lmao "islamophobia" is literally an Orwellian word

>implying it's a phobia to be leery of complete murderous psychopaths