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eric365
09-26-2010, 12:15 PM
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2010/09/top-50-tony-parker-no-30/

Top 50: Tony Parker, no. 30

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Dennis Tarwood / @tuffyr

How did you spend your summer vacation? A little light reading? Scrubbing ducks on the seashore? Stuffing your mattress with canned goods in preparation for the economic apocalypse part deux?

Tony Parker spent his summer being lectured about the proper amount of hand-holding. That’s what happens when you miss your first summer away from the French boys in six yeaTony Parkerrs to spend more time with the family and to heal up from the most miserable season of your professional career thus far.

2010-2011 needs to hold far more success for the 28-year-old if he plans to avoid his own economic collapse as he cannonballs into the free agency pool just in time for America Held Hostage: Just About Every Damned Sports League Shuts Down Over Petty Nonsense. Despite the turmoil to come, this will likely represent the final major payday in Parker’s lifetime.

If he’s successful this season, the last twelve months will be scrubbed from the collective consciousness as an aberration. His sharply reduced assists, excessive turnovers, and slightly less efficient shooting touch will be ascribed to his sprained ankle, strained hip flexor, broken right hand, and other miscellaneous witchcraft that kept him out of 26 games.

If his offensive performances against the Suns in the Western Conference Semis (three 20+ point games, 5 apg) serve as a guide, Eva Longoria can continue to socking acting cash away in her $15,000 security mattress.

However, small sample sizes aside, those numbers came largely against noted bullfighter Steve Nash (”Olé!”). Parker returned the favor to Nash (22 ppg, 7+ apg, 5-11 3-pt) and all other foes he gamely attempted to defend last season.

Watching tape on Parker from 2009-2010 is like watching the Westminster Dog Show with every opposing point guard playing the role of dog handlers pulling him through all the pick-and-roll obstacles on the way to the hoop. (Note to San Antonio: consider Fred Willard as your color man this season.)

While his assists, turnovers, and Offensive Rating last season clearly stand out against his previous few seasons, Parker’s defensive results last season (as measured by Defensive Rating, which kindly forgives days off) are clearly part of a consistent decline difficult to write off as post-injury fatigue or lingering random pain.

Has Parker lost a step while playing around 100 games per season over the last six years (including national team duties, preseason, etc.) and after starting his professional career at 17? After all, he has managed to miss at least 10 games for each of the last three seasons due to issues up and down his left side.

It’s indeed possible, but consider another fact: Tim Duncan is 34 years old and starting to show it.

Duncan’s blocks (adjusted for pace) and Defensive Rating have lost ground year-over-year for the last four seasons, much like Parker’s Defensive Rating. Parker might be slipping against other point guards, but he’s definitely not being bailed out as much anymore by the Merlin Wall. Parker probably hopes Tiago Splitter abandons his solid low-post defense in favor of filing the permits at San Antonio City Hall to host his own block party.

Parker’s offensive counting numbers will suffer a bit next season as well due to the growth of George Hill and the hope placed on Garrett Temple. (Just don’t ask Pop how much.) However, as long as Parker retains his lesson from last season that the perimeter is hot lava and the lane is the safesies zone, he probably won’t harm his offensive value in the eyes of prospective employers.

Parker continues to be defined by others in his adulthood: Duncan, Popovich, Longoria. When his current contract expires, though, he will receive his first true opportunity to establish his own identity by selecting a new team where others can wrap themselves around his needs.

Therefore, he doesn’t play this season just for financial security; he must stay thrive to regain his status as a premier free agent and claim some semblance of control over his own destiny. Otherwise, another round of injuries could force him to take whatever is offered by the Spurs and remain Tim Duncan’s point guard.

That next employer might well be the Knicks (for who ignores facts as well as Jimmy Dolan?), but Parker seems confident enough that a deal will be done with the Spurs that he plans to play for the French national team again next summer to qualify for the 2012 London Olympics despite potentially being a free agent.

It’s that or spend another summer forced to hold Eva Longoria’s hand. After all, he’ll always be Mr. Longoria; some redefinitions aren’t worth the trouble.

eric365
09-26-2010, 12:19 PM
So for Slam online TP and manu are at the same level for next season (no 30 and 31)

I just hope they are wrong because if TP doesn't bounce back in th top 15 level, we have no shot this year

sefant77
09-26-2010, 12:33 PM
Because how else to explain SLAM ranking of Jason Kidd going into 2009-10 and their ranking of Jason Kidd going into this year? The Mavs point guard is rated the NBA’s 44th best player as of this moment. That’s one spot up from a year ago.
How? Why? He’s better? The league’s worse? We’re all just throwing darts?
(Hint: We’re all just throwing darts.)


http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3556

Cane
09-26-2010, 12:33 PM
A pretty well written article that basically summarizes Tony Parker's career and whats in store for him in the next season. I like how the author talked about Parker looking for his identity, seems like he's always been living in people's shadows whether its Duncan or even Eva Longoria. Hopefully he's able to regain his speed and athleticism otherwise he's more of an average NBA starter than a top 5 PG. Ginobili's ranked too low though imo both on their positional and overall rankings.

Still I'm not too keen on giving Parker a ridiculous contract since PG's dependent mainly on their speed and athleticism tend to decline mightily and his patriotism and style of play will only mean further injuries after his payday. A rebuilding Spurs can't afford to have Parker making really big bucks while playing in the NBA at his 2009-2010 level or worse. I'd like to see him on the Spurs if they can find a reasonable contract but if Parker has a healthy and productive season I can see the Knicks and Nets trying to dangle an excessive contract.

TDMVPDPOY
09-26-2010, 01:14 PM
both are at leasts in top5 at their positions

so it makes sense that they should be around 20-30 ranking...

Cane
09-26-2010, 01:27 PM
both are at leasts in top5 at their positions

so it makes sense that they should be around 20-30 ranking...

Ginobili's ranked 7th for SG's and Parker 9th for PG's from that site and both are ranked on the tail end of 20-30 with Ginobili being 31 and Parker 30. Parker was ranked 15th overall from 'em last season though and in the top 3 for PG's.

J_Paco
09-26-2010, 03:53 PM
A pretty well written article that basically summarizes Tony Parker's career and whats in store for him in the next season. I like how the author talked about Parker looking for his identity, seems like he's always been living in people's shadows whether its Duncan or even Eva Longoria. Hopefully he's able to regain his speed and athleticism otherwise he's more of an average NBA starter than a top 5 PG. Ginobili's ranked too low though imo both on their positional and overall rankings.

Still I'm not too keen on giving Parker a ridiculous contract since PG's dependent mainly on their speed and athleticism tend to decline mightily and his patriotism and style of play will only mean further injuries after his payday. A rebuilding Spurs can't afford to have Parker making really big bucks while playing in the NBA at his 2009-2010 level or worse. I'd like to see him on the Spurs if they can find a reasonable contract but if Parker has a healthy and productive season I can see the Knicks and Nets trying to dangle an excessive contract.

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

Basically, blah, blah, blah get rid of Parker. Blah, blah loss of speed and blah, blah will get more from New York or New Jersey.

Do you really believe that two guys that are 5 and 6 years older than Parker are both going to outplay him, again? Especially, when two seasons ago he was the "best" player on the team to many people here. One bad season and now he's an "average" starter, although he put up solid numbers during the post-season.

Do you guys get some sick pleasure out of seeing our own players fail? Did Parker take money from you or kill your dog? I don't get the hate, and don't just pass it off as being a realist.

I want everyone to do well and the Big 3 to have possibly one last good/great run.

Cane
09-26-2010, 04:14 PM
:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

Basically, blah, blah, blah get rid of Parker. Blah, blah loss of speed and blah, blah will get more from New York or New Jersey.

Do you really believe that two guys that are 5 and 6 years older than Parker are both going to outplay him, again? Especially, when two seasons ago he was the "best" player on the team to many people here. One bad season and now he's an "average" starter, although he put up solid numbers during the post-season.

Do you guys get some sick pleasure out of seeing our own players fail? Did Parker take money from you or kill your dog? I don't get the hate, and don't just pass it off as being a realist.

I want everyone to do well and the Big 3 to have possibly one last good/great run.

I think you missed the part where I said he hopefully returns back to his former level. I do think that he is more of an average starter than a top 5 PG without his speed though and I am not a fan of giving an excessive contract to Tony Parker at this point of the Duncan era due to his NT play and likely decline. Hell, Parker might find himself more $$$ and maybe even a better chance to win elsewhere.

J_Paco
09-26-2010, 05:10 PM
I think you missed the part where I said he hopefully returns back to his former level. I do think that he is more of an average starter than a top 5 PG without his speed though and I am not a fan of giving an excessive contract to Tony Parker at this point of the Duncan era due to his NT play and likely decline. Hell, Parker might find himself more $$$ and maybe even a better chance to win elsewhere.

They just gave Manu a 3-year extension worth $39 million in May, were you upset about that? Especially, when Manu plans on returning to his Argentina national team after this current NBA season. Manu is older, has less athleticism left and obviously is declining due to injury, yet you don't complain about his similar decision. Why complain about Parker and his decision, but not bemoan Ginobili and his exact same decision? Neither is putting their NBA team first.

Cane
09-26-2010, 06:35 PM
They just gave Manu a 3-year extension worth $39 million in May, were you upset about that? Especially, when Manu plans on returning to his Argentina national team after this current NBA season. Manu is older, has less athleticism left and obviously is declining due to injury, yet you don't complain about his similar decision. Why complain about Parker and his decision, but not bemoan Ginobili and his exact same decision? Neither is putting their NBA team first.

Manu's contract expires around the same as Duncan's and his contract won't be worth as much as Tony Parker could potentially fetch for. Manu's game also is like Duncan's in the sense that both will be above average starters until they retire whereas Parker's game is much more based on his athleticism. Tony Parker would be good to have on the squad for a reasonable contract, he just can't be overpaid excessively otherwise it'll hurt the Spurs flexibility past the Duncan era. And like Manu last season, Parker's got to prove he can still be a top 5 player at his position anyway.

gilmor
09-26-2010, 10:14 PM
Manu's contract expires around the same as Duncan's and his contract won't be worth as much as Tony Parker could potentially fetch for. Manu's game also is like Duncan's in the sense that both will be above average starters until they retire whereas Parker's game is much more based on his athleticism. Tony Parker would be good to have on the squad for a reasonable contract, he just can't be overpaid excessively otherwise it'll hurt the Spurs flexibility past the Duncan era. And like Manu last season, Parker's got to prove he can still be a top 5 player at his position anyway.

I don't like to talk about players' salary. Because that's varies according to each player individually.

But this is what I know, Manu and Duncan will not be the top 5 player at their respective positions this coming season. In fact, I very much doubt they will be in the top 10 at their respective positions this coming season.