Firefighters let house burn over fee and saved neighbors house

[Slydragon]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/?GT1=43001

I can't post the story from my phone so I link it. If anyone wants to paste the story for others that be cool

[Wild Cobra]

Ouch.

I'm not sure how to respond. I'm mixed about it. however, if a community allows free services that everyone else pays for, then everyone will stop paying.

Sorry that they had to be that example, but shit happens.

[Frenzy]

Ouch.

I'm not sure how to respond. I'm mixed about it. however, if a community allows free services that everyone else pays for, then everyone will stop paying.

Sorry that they had to be that example, but shit happens.
True. Pay up. Ppl don't work for free.

[Drachen]

Do you expect a car insurance company to cover you for an accident today if you buy the policy one our later?

[bus driver]

forgot to pay........i call BS!

[Wild Cobra]

Do you expect a car insurance company to cover you for an accident today if you buy the policy one our later?
Isn't that how Obama Health care works?

[Drachen]

Isn't that how Obama Health care works?

Outside of the fact that you have to pay a fee to not have insurance.

[The Franchise]

I think it is overwhelmingly stupid and pretty evil to let someones house burn down over a $75 dollar fee. Although I agree that he should have paid his fee, anyone siding with the fire department on this one (when they came to put out the neighbors house anyway) has to be an insensitive piece of shit. It's an annual fee. I can see someone having it slip their mind. This guy lost everything he owned for $75 fucking dollars and some of you make it sound like he got what he deserved. No wonder I dislike most people.

[024]

lol bunch of hicks. i'm surprised he had a phone to call the hick fire department.

[Nathan Explosion]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/?GT1=43001

I can't post the story from my phone so I link it. If anyone wants to paste the story for others that be cool

What, your new Epic won't let you post the story? :king

[Nathan Explosion]

I agree with the president of the association. Whether the fee was paid or not, they should have put out the fire. Then charged him double the annual fee, or have a collection agency collect the $75 after the fact.

[Dex]

Eh, there's no good answer for this one.

Obviously the guy didn't deserve to lose everything, including three pets, because he chose not to pay the $75. Especially since he apparently offered to pay it if they would agree to put his fire out.

That being said, when you have the option to pay for having fire service, or having nothing, then you've got to take that into consideration when you choose not to pay. Like people have said, you can't start an insurance policy on a car AFTER you've wrecked it, and hope for the insurance company to cover it.

I find it strange that the fire department isn't county-funded or whatever, but if that's what it takes for them to run, them's the breaks. They can't just make some people pay and let others get free service, and they can't wait for people's houses to start burning down to collect their $75. Otherwise they wouldn't be a fire department at all because they'd be bankrupt.

Still, pretty lame to use this guy's life to set an example for people.

[Nathan Explosion]

Eh, there's no good answer for this one.

Obviously the guy didn't deserve to lose everything, including three pets, because he chose not to pay the $75. Especially since he apparently offered to pay it if they would agree to put his fire out.

That being said, when you have the option to pay for having fire service, or having nothing, then you've got to take that into consideration when you choose not to pay. Like people have said, you can't start an insurance policy on a car AFTER you've wrecked it, and hope for the insurance company to cover it.

I find it strange that the fire department isn't county-funded or whatever, but if that's what it takes for them to run, them's the breaks. They can't just make some people pay and let others get free service, and they can't wait for people's houses to start burning down to collect their $75. Otherwise they wouldn't be a fire department at all because they'd be bankrupt.

Still, pretty lame to use this guy's life to set an example for people.

True. But by the same token, they are there to provide a service and protect the people. It's like a cop not stopping a crime because he's off duty and not getting paid. Or those paramedics not saving the woman because they were on lunch.

They may have not been getting paid, but courtesy for a fellow man has to take over at that point. Charge him later and make sure to get the money be it by collection agency or not. And also offer a warning that it would be the one exception they would make for him. Then send out notices to others offering a chance to buy into the fire service, and use this story as an example.

[Wild Cobra]

I think it is overwhelmingly stupid and pretty evil to let someones house burn down over a $75 dollar fee. Although I agree that he should have paid his fee, anyone siding with the fire department on this one (when they came to put out the neighbors house anyway) has to be an insensitive piece of shit. It's an annual fee. I can see someone having it slip their mind. This guy lost everything he owned for $75 fucking dollars and some of you make it sound like he got what he deserved. No wonder I dislike most people.

Yes, but if it was expected to do the service for free, then everyone would stop paying, and there would then likely be no fire department.

Pretty stupid not to pay the fee if you ask me.

[Dex]

True. But by the same token, they are there to provide a service and protect the people. It's like a cop not stopping a crime because he's off duty and not getting paid. Or those paramedics not saving the woman because they were on lunch.

They may have not been getting paid, but courtesy for a fellow man has to take over at that point. Charge him later and make sure to get the money be it by collection agency or not. And also offer a warning that it would be the one exception they would make for him. Then send out notices to others offering a chance to buy into the fire service, and use this story as an example.

Yeah, greed is really the common denominator here, whether by necessity or not. The man thought he was saving a buck by not paying the fee. The fire company obviously didn't put out the fire to show people "this is what happens when you don't pay your fee". A man shouldn't have to lose his worldly possessions just for them to get that point across.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Don't shoot let them burn!

[MannyIsGod]

My mother's house is located outside the city limits and they have a VFD that services their area. They have to pay a fee each year as well but if they choose to turn it down they will still get their fire put out. However, they will receive a much higher bill. Think 50 dollar fee 2000 dollar fee.

Seems like a much better situation. People should not act like the only options are either let it burn or get paid the 75 dollars because its not very hard to come up with a solution like the one above.

You have to be a total asshole to let someone's house burn down over 75 dollars.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't think the dude who had a hard time remembering to pay $75 would be willing to remember he has to pay $2000-3000.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol so whats the point of paying taxes?

dont tell me ur shitty govt ended up privatizing fire department services, they still get govt funding right?

[Nathan Explosion]

My mother's house is located outside the city limits and they have a VFD that services their area. They have to pay a fee each year as well but if they choose to turn it down they will still get their fire put out. However, they will receive a much higher bill. Think 50 dollar fee 2000 dollar fee.

Seems like a much better situation. People should not act like the only options are either let it burn or get paid the 75 dollars because its not very hard to come up with a solution like the one above.

You have to be a total asshole to let someone's house burn down over 75 dollars.

I think that's the best solution overall. Pay a small(ish) fee now or a bigger fee later. But we'll still try to save your house.

[MiamiHeat]

so now we're paying for fire services?

What's next?

Police fee? What the fuck is the point of taxes, then? This is the entire reasoning behind the existence of the IRS. The US government operated for 150 years without the IRS and taxes, so if they won't be providing services, then we should be able to stop paying taxes.

This is just as bad as not receiving proper medical care because you can't afford it.

Humanity and morality has lost it's fucking way. We're a generation of depraved, lost, immoral souls.

[Slydragon]

What, your new Epic won't let you post the story? :king

I dont know, I need to see how I would do that.

[Obstructed_View]

They need a $5000 fine for calling the fire department if you didn't pay the fee. That way the fire still gets put out. Would the firefighters have just let the guy's family burn to death if there were people in there?

[Drachen]

so now we're paying for fire services?

What's next?

Police fee? What the fuck is the point of taxes, then? This is the entire reasoning behind the existence of the IRS. The US government operated for 150 years without the IRS and taxes, so if they won't be providing services, then we should be able to stop paying taxes.

This is just as bad as not receiving proper medical care because you can't afford it.

Humanity and morality has lost it's fucking way. We're a generation of depraved, lost, immoral souls.

Federal taxes do not pay for fire service.

[Dex]

They need a $5000 fine for calling the fire department if you didn't pay the fee. That way the fire still gets put out. Would the firefighters have just let the guy's family burn to death if there were people in there?

If a sports message board could solve this problem within 8 hours, I really have to wonder who the hell is in charge of that county / fire department.

[Nathan Explosion]

I dont know, I need to see how I would do that.

It shouldn't be that hard really if you're doing a straight copy and paste. Let's see something.

[xellos88330]

If he said that they would pay the fee, then tell him to have it ready when you get there.

[Nathan Explosion]

http://http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/?GT1=43001




msnbc.com
Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn't paid a $75 fee.

Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat.Luck_The_Fakers_

"They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn't do it," Cranick told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann.


The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond.

"We wasn't on their list," he said the operators told him.

Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he "forgot" to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee.

Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever is necessary to have the fire put out.

His offer wasn't accepted, he said.

The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years.

"Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't," said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker.

The fire department's decision to let the home burn was "incredibly irresponsible," said the president of an association representing firefighters.

"Professional, career firefighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up," Harold Schatisberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. "They get in their trucks and go."

Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee.

"They put water out on the fence line out here. They never said nothing to me. Never acknowledged. They stood out here and watched it burn," Cranick said.

South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.

Cranick, who is now living in a trailer on his property, says his insurance policy will help cover some of his lost home.

"Insurance is going to pay for what money I had on the policy, looks like. But like everything else, I didn't have enough."

After the blaze, South Fulton police arrested one of Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge, according to WPSD-TV, an NBC station in Paducah, Ky.

Police told WPSD that the younger Cranick attacked Fire Chief David Wilds at the firehouse because he was upset his father's house was allowed to burn.

WPSD-TV reported that Wilds was treated and released.


Doing this on my iPhone. Let's see how it turns out.

[Stringer_Bell]

It's complete bullshit for people to post the "no car insurance" argument. No extraneous entity stops car accidents from happening, it's called an accident for a reason.

Cops don't stop car accidents, they stop crimes.
Firefighters don't stop car accidents, they stop fires.
Do car insurance agents stop car accidents, do they stop anything at all? No, they don't, because insurance is a post-event utility that takes care of losses based on the event.

Firefighters prevent damage, they stop losses - and even though they were right next to a burning house they refused to do anything because some fag with a checklist told them not to. That's some pussy ass bullshit. Sure, the guy looks like a difficult man that probably talked a lot of shit about a "fire tax," but that's not enough to warrant leaving him and his family to watch their house be destroyed. The man's son confronted and beat up the fire cheif, so that just makes things worse because you know that pussy will act like he didn't deserve to be punched and press charges.

It's inexcusable to allow an entire family's history of memories, furniture, and place to sleep burn over $75. In 20 years they didn't think of a better penalty for people that refused to pay other than letting their shit burn? South Fulton is fucktard country.

[PM5K]

You pay the 75.00. If you don't pay it you pay the cost plus some additional punitive fee. If you don't pay said fee within a reasonable amount of time, say six months to a year, they put a lien on your home, possibly foreclose.

Not pretty but you gotta pay for shit if you want it.

[Stringer_Bell]

You pay the 75.00. If you don't pay it you pay the cost plus some additional punitive fee. If you don't pay said fee within a reasonable amount of time, say six months to a year, they put a lien on your home, possibly foreclose.

Not pretty but you gotta pay for shit if you want it.

Put a lien on a house? Possibly foreclose? That's horseshit, too, over a $75 dollar fucking fee.

$4000-5000 fine for various fees related to having the fire fighters go out of their way for you in another county when you haven't paid the $75 sounds fair and reasonable. It's a big enough consequence that shouldn't put people out of a home when they know there's a bill to pay. If they try to dodge that, then obviously further action can be taken, but I doubt people would be that ungrateful for their homes being saved.

[ploto]

Not to defend the firefighters, but people keep saying it is all over $75. I wonder, though, just how many years the guy chose not to pay the $75.

It is like people who do not want to live in the city limits because they do not want to pay city taxes. Then, they get mad when they do not get city services for free that are paid for with city taxes-- like fire, police, libraries...

[PM5K]

Put a lien on a house? Possibly foreclose? That's horseshit, too, over a $75 dollar fucking fee.

$4000-5000 fine for various fees related to having the fire fighters go out of their way for you in another county when you haven't paid the $75 sounds fair and reasonable. It's a big enough consequence that shouldn't put people out of a home when they know there's a bill to pay. If they try to dodge that, then obviously further action can be taken, but I doubt people would be that ungrateful for their homes being saved.

I'm not saying foreclose over the 75.00, I'm saying foreclose over the 4-5K if you don't pay it within a reasonable time.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I've read that some municipalities in the county charge on an as needed basis on rural calls($500).

They've collected on less than half of the calls they've responded to in the past.

[Pyromaniac]

I really can't blame them for watching the house burn

[Bukefal]

Unbelievable, that's just ridiculous. They should have put out the fire and then demand for money and even more money. It's their duty in such situations, and afterwards is the time to think about the money, not before. When someone is dangerously ill, a doctor can't say to not help him, its his duty.

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

Unbelievable, that's just ridiculous. They should have put out the fire and then demand for money and even more money. It's their duty in such situations, and afterwards is the time to think about the money, not before. When someone is dangerously ill, a doctor can't say to not help him, its his duty.


If the morons dont pay then they dont get serviced.

stop encouraging theft and make these assholes pay. if they cant afford it, then fuck em. let the house burn.

[boutons_deux]

the destroyed house will have a reduced appraisal, so the property taxes lost will far exceed $75.

I read where the entire county could receive fire fighting coverage like civilized counties, even like all other bubba counties, with 0.13% increase in property taxes.

[JoeChalupa]

the destroyed house will have a reduced appraisal, so the property taxes lost will far exceed $75.

I read where the entire county could receive fire fighting coverage like civilized counties, even like all other bubba counties, with 0.13% increase in property taxes.

+1 I must not understand a Firefighter's code.

[Drachen]

It's complete bullshit for people to post the "no car insurance" argument. No extraneous entity stops car accidents from happening, it's called an accident for a reason.

Cops don't stop car accidents, they stop crimes.
Firefighters don't stop car accidents, they stop fires.
Do car insurance agents stop car accidents, do they stop anything at all? No, they don't, because insurance is a post-event utility that takes care of losses based on the event.

Firefighters prevent damage, they stop losses - and even though they were right next to a burning house they refused to do anything because some fag with a checklist told them not to. That's some pussy ass bullshit. Sure, the guy looks like a difficult man that probably talked a lot of shit about a "fire tax," but that's not enough to warrant leaving him and his family to watch their house be destroyed. The man's son confronted and beat up the fire cheif, so that just makes things worse because you know that pussy will act like he didn't deserve to be punched and press charges.

It's inexcusable to allow an entire family's history of memories, furniture, and place to sleep burn over $75. In 20 years they didn't think of a better penalty for people that refused to pay other than letting their shit burn? South Fulton is fucktard country.


Firefighters don't prevent fires to, they provide a service after the event as well (after the fire has started). What car insurance and firefighters have in common is they reduce the owner's liability for the damage after the event occurs (after the moment the cars have crashed/after the moment the fire has started).

With that being said, I agree there is a better way and I would have no problem with a $75 fee. As someone has already stated I would think this would work if you don't pay and you need their services, they have to provide you with service. After the fact, you get charged 5k and if you don't pay it off within 6 months, forclosure proceedings start.

[rjv]

emergency services are not about workers deciding on who deserves their assistance. there is a strong protocol of ethics that must be applied categorically when it comes to to all emergency services. if this is compromised, this entails some potentially dangerous consequences.

[ididnotnothat]

emergency services are not about workers deciding on who deserves their assistance. there is a strong protocol of ethics that must be applied categorically when it comes to to all emergency services. if this is compromised, this entails some potentially dangerous consequences.

This is what I was thinking. As Firefighters I think this type of action goes against their ethical code.

[ididnotnothat]

Fire Fighters Creed (http://www.fire-find.com/ffcreed.html)

When I'm called to duty god
wherever flames may rage
give me strength to save a life
whatever be its age

Help me to embrace a little child
before it is too late
or save an older person from
the horror of that fate

Enable me to be alert
to hear the weakest shout
and quickly and efficiently
to put the fire out

I want to fill my calling and
to give the best in me
to guard my neighbour and
protect his property

And if according to your will
I have to lose my life
bless with your protecting hand
my children and my wife.


Nothing there about asking if dues are paid.

[resistanze]

You have to be a total asshole to let someone's house burn down over 75 dollars.

Yup.

[resistanze]

I guess he should've jumped back into his burning house to make an example out of the firefighters.

[Nathan Explosion]

If the morons dont pay then they dont get serviced.

stop encouraging theft and make these assholes pay. if they cant afford it, then fuck em. let the house burn.

My kids were born at a hospital that doesn't accept uninsured patients. HOWEVER, it has a huge sign saying that if you are in need of emergency medical assistance and stumble into the hospital, they WON'T refuse you and will treat you until you are ready to move to the county hospital.

This is how all emergency services should be provided, if in need, provide the service, then collect later and a substantially increased rate.

[DisAsTerBot]

yep, in an ER you will be treated regardless of insurance.

[Slydragon]

updated 9:24 p.m. ET, Tue., Oct. 05, 2010 ay, no spray: Firefighters let home burn msnbc.com Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn't paid a $75 fee. Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat."They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn't do it," Cranick told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann. The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond"We wasn't on their list," he said the operators told him Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he "forgot" to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee. Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever is necessary to have the fire put out His offer wasn't accepted, he said. The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years."Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't," said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker. The fire department's decision to let the home burn was "incredibly irresponsible," said the president of an association representing firefighters"Professional, career firefighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up," Harold Schatisberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. "They get in their trucks and go." Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee."They put water out on the fence line out here. They never said nothing to me. Never acknowledged. They stood out here and watched it burn," Cranick said. South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire Cranick, who is now living in a trailer on his property, says his insurance policy will help cover some of his lost home"Insurance is going to pay for what money I had on the policy, looks like. But like everything else, I didn't have enough." After the blaze, South Fulton police arrested one of Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge, according to WPSD-TV, an NBC station n Paducah, Ky. Police told WPSD that the younger Cranick attacked Fire Chief David Wilds at the firehouse because he was upset his father's house was allowed to burn WPSD-TV reported that Wilds was treated and released.

OK figure c/c/p out

[bus driver]

Fire Fighters Creed (http://www.fire-find.com/ffcreed.html)

When I'm called to duty god
wherever flames may rage
give me strength to save a life
whatever be its age

Help me to embrace a little child
before it is too late
or save an older person from
the horror of that fate

Enable me to be alert
to hear the weakest shout
and quickly and efficiently
to put the fire out

I want to fill my calling and
to give the best in me
to guard my neighbour and
protect his property

And if according to your will
I have to lose my life
bless with your protecting hand
my children and my wife.


Nothing there about asking if dues are paid.

Creed or no creed
shit cost money :wakeup

[TheMACHINE]

i agree...if you dont pay the fee, you should get fined a buttload if they save your house from a fire. Its like insurance.

[TheMACHINE]

you're too lazy to come up with $75.00 but you want firefighters to save your house. GTFO.

[MannyIsGod]

What assholes.

[man on wire]

you're too lazy to come up with $75.00 but you want firefighters to save your house. GTFO.
first responders my ass

[phxspurfan]

If a sports message board could solve this problem within 8 hours, I really have to wonder who the hell is in charge of that county / fire department.

I love how many societal problems we solve within 2 pages of posts.

[Dex]

I love how many societal problems we solve within 2 pages of posts.

SpursTalk for President!

[phxspurfan]

yep, in an ER you will be treated regardless of insurance.

Which is why many hospitals are going bankrupt and giving way to for-profit Urgent Care facilities. Just google 'hospital closing bankruptcy.'

North General Hospital in Harlem to close July 2, file for bankruptcy, shocking patients and workers
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/06/28/2010-06-28_north_general_hospital_in_harlem_to_close_july_ 2_file_for_bankruptcy_shocking_pa.html

Manhattan’s Legendary St. Vincent’s Hospital Closing After Post-Bankruptcy Blows
http://blog.legalhelpers.com/bankruptcy-blog/manhattan%E2%80%99s-legendary-st-vincent%E2%80%99s-hospital-closing-after-post-bankruptcy-blows/

Bellaire Medical Center closes after 43 years, hospital files for bankruptcy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595837/posts

[DisAsTerBot]

Which is why many hospitals are going bankrupt and giving way to for-profit Urgent Care facilities. Just google 'hospital closing bankruptcy.'

North General Hospital in Harlem to close July 2, file for bankruptcy, shocking patients and workers
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/06/28/2010-06-28_north_general_hospital_in_harlem_to_close_july_ 2_file_for_bankruptcy_shocking_pa.html

Manhattan’s Legendary St. Vincent’s Hospital Closing After Post-Bankruptcy Blows
http://blog.legalhelpers.com/bankruptcy-blog/manhattan%E2%80%99s-legendary-st-vincent%E2%80%99s-hospital-closing-after-post-bankruptcy-blows/

Bellaire Medical Center closes after 43 years, hospital files for bankruptcy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595837/posts

yep, which is why they are putting a better system in place. I wonder if this is the first time something like this has happened in that county?

[MannyIsGod]

Which is why many hospitals are going bankrupt and giving way to for-profit Urgent Care facilities. Just google 'hospital closing bankruptcy.'

North General Hospital in Harlem to close July 2, file for bankruptcy, shocking patients and workers
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/06/28/2010-06-28_north_general_hospital_in_harlem_to_close_july_ 2_file_for_bankruptcy_shocking_pa.html

Manhattan’s Legendary St. Vincent’s Hospital Closing After Post-Bankruptcy Blows
http://blog.legalhelpers.com/bankruptcy-blog/manhattan%E2%80%99s-legendary-st-vincent%E2%80%99s-hospital-closing-after-post-bankruptcy-blows/

Bellaire Medical Center closes after 43 years, hospital files for bankruptcy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595837/posts

Hospitals are going bankrupt for many reasons but this is not why.

[phxspurfan]

Hospitals are going bankrupt for many reasons but this is not why.

1. Poor people who don't pay, yet still have to be seen by the ER

2. Insurance companies who don't pay or are paying less and less for the same services

[MannyIsGod]

1. Poor people who don't pay, yet still have to be seen by the ER

2. Insurance companies who don't pay or are paying less and less for the same services

First by a laaaaaaaaaarge margin - shitty management of hospital.

[resistanze]

Serious question. If he was trapped in the building, would they have let him die?

Or did they verify his life was not in immediate danger, then decided not to save his house?

I'm not sure which is more idiotic.

[mrsmaalox]

First by a laaaaaaaaaarge margin - shitty management of hospital.

What? Those 17 million dollar management consultants didn't help? Bastards!

[4>0rings]

You have to be a real shitty human being to let someones house burn down cause they didn't pay the $75.

[Nathan Explosion]

Which is why many hospitals are going bankrupt and giving way to for-profit Urgent Care facilities. Just google 'hospital closing bankruptcy.'

North General Hospital in Harlem to close July 2, file for bankruptcy, shocking patients and workers
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/06/28/2010-06-28_north_general_hospital_in_harlem_to_close_july_ 2_file_for_bankruptcy_shocking_pa.html

Manhattan’s Legendary St. Vincent’s Hospital Closing After Post-Bankruptcy Blows
http://blog.legalhelpers.com/bankruptcy-blog/manhattan%E2%80%99s-legendary-st-vincent%E2%80%99s-hospital-closing-after-post-bankruptcy-blows/

Bellaire Medical Center closes after 43 years, hospital files for bankruptcy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595837/posts

How much public money is being spent on rebuilding the WTC site by the way?

I'm sure University Hospital here provides tons of "free" services but yet, somehow, has enough funding to work on a HUGE expansion that will allow the hospital to take on more patients by providing more beds and rooms, thereby reducing the wait times in the ER (in theory). Which will probably lead to more patients not paying for services, yet the hospital will probably survive.

Mismanagement and lack of funding is what are killing these public hospitals. So basically, mismanagement at the hospital level and mismanagement at the government level are taking away funding that is probably being given to feel good projects like the WTC site. Projects, that may provide temporary jobs now but aren't REALLY needed, but yet, hospitals that provide necessary services are left in the cold.

[scampers]

They should put the fire out and then charge some obsene fee for not paying in the first place. That's how a lot of rural areas I know of that don't have some kind of government/tax funded fire does it.

Total bullshit.

[Blake]

next they won't pay their HOA fee to which the HOA will sell the burning rubble for pennies on the dollar.

[TheMACHINE]

You have to be a real shitty human being to let someones house burn down cause they didn't pay the $75.

why not pay the $75. Oh yah..he forgot...:rolleyes

[4>0rings]

why not pay the $75. Oh yah..he forgot...:rolleyes
No, he's a POS for not paying but now the situation is in the firefighters hands. You don't be a POS to get back at him. It's not just the guy, it's his wife, kids, pets. What if someone was in the house, they wouldn't go in for $75?

You settle the $75 after you put out the fire, have the city sue him.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

No, he's a POS for not paying but now the situation is in the firefighters hands. You don't be a POS to get back at him. It's not just the guy, it's his wife, kids, pets. What if someone was in the house, they wouldn't go in for $75?

You settle the $75 after you put out the fire, have the city sue him.

This solution apparently made too much sense for the local fire department.

[TheMACHINE]

No, he's a POS for not paying but now the situation is in the firefighters hands. You don't be a POS to get back at him. It's not just the guy, it's his wife, kids, pets. What if someone was in the house, they wouldn't go in for $75?

You settle the $75 after you put out the fire, have the city sue him.

so i guess everyone should NOT pay the $75 and just pay it when thier house is on fire

Thats your solution right?

[DisAsTerBot]

so i guess everyone should NOT pay the $75 and just pay it when thier house is on fire

Thats your solution right?

yeah, a much higher fee

[z0sa]

so i guess everyone should NOT pay the $75 and just pay it when thier house is on fire

Thats your solution right?

Your solution obviously is letting tens of thousands of dollars be destroyed over $75.

Your solution is retarded and inhuman.

[TheMACHINE]

Your solution obviously is letting tens of thousands of dollars be destroyed over $75.

Your solution is retarded and inhuman.

inhuman or not, things like this have to be done. You cant play superhero to everyone if they dont want to play (or in this case) PAY thier part.

You do know how insurance works right?

BTW my solution is to fine the guy a big amount of money for saving his house. Maybe to the point where you bring a contract to him right before taking the hoses out saying he needs to play $1000 or somethign like that.

You just cant get away with not paying for a service, only to need it cuz your a chump who cant save $75.

You dont have to be a retard to know this, but in your case, you might have to be a retard to NOT know this.

[TheMACHINE]

Your solution obviously is letting tens of thousands of dollars be destroyed over $75.

Your solution is retarded and inhuman.

btw..if its ONLY $75 why didnt he pay it?

[Drachen]

$1000 isn't enough, it has to be a high enough fine under penalty of foreclosure to make people shit their pants at the thought of having to pay it.

[z0sa]

inhuman or not, things like this have to be done.


100% wrong.

[z0sa]

btw..if its ONLY $75 why didnt he pay it?

lol @ asking me to prove a negative.

[TheMACHINE]

lol @ asking me to prove a negative.

since you "know it all", what would you have done?

[TheNextGen]

ouch.

I'm not sure how to respond. I'm mixed about it. However, if a community allows free services that everyone else pays for, then everyone will stop paying.

Sorry that they had to be that example, but shit happens.

this.

[Blake]

legally speaking, it appears they have every right not to provide the service of putting the fire out.

I just wouldn't want to be the fire fighter that says no. I would like to be able to sleep at night with a clear conscience and not be a yahoo story.

[TheNextGen]

legally speaking, it appears they have every right not to provide the service of putting the fire out.

I just wouldn't want to be the fire fighter that says no. I would like to be able to sleep at night with a clear conscience and not be a yahoo story.

Sucks to be him, but the homeowner is to blame.

You dont want to be the firefighter who was fired for breaking the company rules right?...over some dude who didnt pay his fee.

[Blake]

Sucks to be him, but the homeowner is to blame.

You dont want to be the firefighter who was fired for breaking the company rules right?...over some dude who didnt pay his fee.

wasn't it already asked in this thread?

what would you do if someone was in the house?

[TheNextGen]

wasn't it already asked in this thread?

what would you do if someone was in the house?

and thats why new rules need to be made. But, like you said, legally, they wernt at fault.

[Blake]

and thats why new rules need to be made. But, like you said, legally, they wernt at fault.

let me ask it yes or no....

if you are the firefighter and someone might be in there or might not be in there, do you risk your job by putting out the fire and going in?

[TheNextGen]

let me ask it yes or no....

if you are the firefighter and someone might be in there or might not be in there, do you risk your job by putting out the fire and going in?

If i was in front of the house and i knew someone was in it, id go in and take the consequences. Other than that, probably not.

[Blake]

If i was in front of the house and i knew someone was in it, id go in and take the consequences. Other than that, probably not.

I wonder what would have happened if the family had lied and said there was someone inside.

[TheNextGen]

I wonder what would have happened if the family had lied and said there was someone inside.

lol thats what they probably should have done, but i bet they would get in trouble....the owner would say "ooops i 'forgot' that there was noone inside afterall"

[Blake]

lol thats what they probably should have done, but i bet they would get in trouble....the owner would say "ooops i 'forgot' that there was noone inside afterall"

what kind of trouble?