Jordan: Kobe is top 10 GUARD of all time

[Gutter92]

:lol

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/10/michael-jordan-and-2k-sports-talk-nba-2k11-/1

"If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the Top 10."

I still think Kobe is top 25 all time though.

[BRHornet45]

top 10 guard? no question about it ... probably somewhere between 8-10

as far as all positions goes? Kobe is somewhere around 40th best.

[Latarian Milton]

guards convincingly above him are just MJ, Magic and Oscar Robertson tbh.

[Venti Quattro]

Dagger to my heart.

[ezau]

The GOAT putting Robin in his rightful place. Tee, hee.

[Giuseppe]

All I can see is those last two years in D.C.

Oh, me---Oh, my.

They are in memory. Actual footage? I don't believe exists.

[LkrFan]

This thread is full of fail. And if Michael Jordan really said that, he is full of shit. He is threatened by Kobe. I don't remember him giving Kobe props on his 81 point game and I'll bet he won't give him props when he wins #6 this year. I can only imagine what he will say when Kobe has 7 rings. F Michael Jordan.

[O.J Mayo]

This thread is full of fail. And if Michael Jordan really said that, he is full of shit. He is threatened by Kobe. I don't remember him giving Kobe props on his 81 point game and I'll bet he won't give him props when he wins #6 this year. I can only imagine what he will say when Kobe has 7 rings. F Michael Jordan.

And you are full of nonsense.

LMAO thinking Jordan threatened by Kobe.

Pippen: Jordan could score 100 points with these shitty defensive rules.

LMAO "when Kobe has 7 rings". He will never have 7 rings, LkrFag.

LMAO Kobe 4 rings as a sidekick.

LMAO LkrFags calling LeBron James a sidekick when Kobe "2-15 against Euro team" Bryant and 6-24 in game 7, with Pau Gasol leading the team.

LMAO LkrFag in delusion.

[Giuseppe]

LMAO thinking Jordan threatened by Kobe.

Jordan is most probably feeding off of Doug Collins obsession & rumination over Kobe Bryant's sustained attack on MJ's legacy.

It's been a quick two years since Kobe moved on Jordan. The rumblins' in the hinterlands are starting to reverberate across this great land and will continue to do so now that Bryant has been spotted in the vicinity. Before >>>we<<< all knew it, Kobe knew it. He knew that Gasol was the goods/absolute style and would help him on his quest to vanquish the former Wizards star, MJ.

[midnightpulp]

Jordan speaks the truth. He understands the flaws in Kobe's game and is fully cognizant of the fact that (a) Kobe Bryant won over half of his rings as a second option, (b) repeated during the weakest two years the NBA has seen in a very long time, and (c) is big man dependent.

Besides, rings are team accomplishments. If you want to compare individual numbers, MJ's resume curbstombs Kobe's, then throws it in a grave, covers it with dirt, and takes giant piss on it.

[Giuseppe]

Which begs the question:::why did Collins act out and groan like he just took the pickle when Kobe airballed it and Arty turned JRich out into the streets?

[midnightpulp]

Which begs the question:::why did Collins act out and groan like he just took the pickle when Kobe airballed it and Arty turned JRich out into the streets?

That's per your paranoid delusions of the media being biased toward the Lakers.

[Giuseppe]

Dude, Collins screamed "no" when Artest put it back. He had no shame, God love him.

At least he's busy now coaching again. Well, one eye on coaching & one eye on Kobe.

[midnightpulp]

Dude, Collins screamed "no" when Artest put it back. He had no shame, God love him.

At least he's busy now coaching again. Well, one eye on coaching & one eye on Kobe.

Link?

Not one person on this earth besides you Kobe cock strokers will grant Bryant GOAT, or even 2nd GOAT, status if the Lakers win the title this year.

[LkrFan]

Jordan speaks the truth. He understands the flaws in Kobe's game and is fully cognizant of the fact that (a) Kobe Bryant won over half of his rings as a second option, (b) repeated during the weakest two years the NBA has seen in a very long time, and (c) is big man dependent.

Besides, rings are team accomplishments. If you want to compare individual numbers, MJ's resume curbstombs Kobe's, then throws it in a grave, covers it with dirt, and takes giant piss on it.
You are a Sp*r fan right? WTF do you know about repeating? :lol

[Giuseppe]

Link?

Mid, we went over the Collins inappropriate outburst at length in the immediate days after our 16th. Christ, when he screamed like that I thought somebody had died, or, lost their wallet.

[silverblk mystix]

MJ meant...top ten guards-among rapists...of all time.

[Giuseppe]

You are a Sp*r fan right? WTF do you know about repeating? :lol

Fan is correct here, Mid. You are indeed innately ignorant of this knowledge.

[Giuseppe]

MJ meant...top ten guards-among rapists...of all time.

You've no room, Silv, now that Neal has come on board.

ha, ha.

[LkrFan]

And you are full of nonsense.

LMAO thinking Jordan threatened by Kobe.

Pippen: Jordan could score 100 points with these shitty defensive rules.

LMAO "when Kobe has 7 rings". He will never have 7 rings, LkrFag.

LMAO Kobe 4 rings as a sidekick.

LMAO LkrFags calling LeBron James a sidekick when Kobe "2-15 against Euro team" Bryant and 6-24 in game 7, with Pau Gasol leading the team.

LMAO LkrFag in delusion.

Its funny, you call me a fag, but your mother calls me every night when her sperm donor goes to sleep. :toast

Kobe has won 2 rings without the aid of a hall of fame teammate. Did MJ do that? It's also funny that you call Kobe a sidekick. Ask the Sp*rs, Kings, Blazers, and any other WC team the Lakers defeated in route to a title if he were a sidekick. He was a major player in all 5 of his rings. Your attempts to make his accomplishments any lesser than they are fails to deliver. Try again kid.

[midnightpulp]

please love my Kobe :cry

Big man dependent, imo. Repeated during one the weakest periods in NBA history.

[midnightpulp]

Its funny, you call me a fag, but your mother calls me every night when her sperm donor goes to sleep. :toast

Kobe has won 2 rings without the aid of a hall of fame teammate. Did MJ do that? It's also funny that you call Kobe a sidekick. Ask the Sp*rs, Kings, Blazers, and any other WC team the Lakers defeated in route to a title if he were a sidekick. He was a major player in all 5 of his rings. Your attempts to make his accomplishments any lesser than they are fails to deliver. Try again kid.

He was a sidekick.

[LkrFan]

Big man dependent, imo. Repeated during one the weakest periods in NBA history.
...whatever...and MJ won all of his rings after two things occurred:



NBA expansion - which diluted the league
Magic and Bird were past their primes

If it is the weakest periods in history, what did the Sp*rs really do after 2005? Won against these same weak teams then swept a Cavs team that should not have been in the Finals to begin with. :rolleyes

[O.J Mayo]

Its funny, you call me a fag, but your mother calls me every night when her sperm donor goes to sleep. :toast

Kobe has won 2 rings without the aid of a hall of fame teammate. Did MJ do that? It's also funny that you call Kobe a sidekick. Ask the Sp*rs, Kings, Blazers, and any other WC team the Lakers defeated in route to a title if he were a sidekick. He was a major player in all 5 of his rings. Your attempts to make his accomplishments any lesser than they are fails to deliver. Try again kid.

LMAO mom smack talk.

LMAO childish mother smack comeback from none other than the Laker fag.

LMAO thinking Pau Gasol isn't going to be in the hall of fame.

LMAO still a sidekick, Shaq still more dominant.

LMAO Pau Gasol leading the Lakers in win shares in the regular season and playoffs.

LMAO still a sidekick.

LMAO needing Ron Artest of all people to bail him out.

LMAO lifetime achievement accolades and awards with Chris Paul and Pau Gasol's name engraved on it.

LMAO implying Kobe > Jordan.

[Cry Havoc]

Laker fan perspective:

"I've played with Hakeem and Duncan and I think Hakeem was the better player."

Re: OMG HE WAS IN THE NBA HE KNOWS HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITH HIM HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT BASKETBALL THAN YOU

"I think Kobe is better than Lebron."

Re: YOU SEE HES AN NBA PLAYER YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT THIS IS PROOF THAT KOBE IS BETTER.

"Kobe is a top 10 guard of all time."

Re: OMG HE'S STUPID HE'S SCARED NBA PLAYERS DONT KNOW ANYTHING LAKER RAAAAAAAAAAGE KOBE GOAT!!!!

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Yep. Pretty obvious about the situation here.

[LkrFan]

He was a sidekick.
That's funny. After he dropped 45 points on TD, Robinson, and Sean Idiot, y'all went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen. Why would y'all do that for a sidekick?

Now you just trolling. Gotcha :downspin:

[silverblk mystix]

You've no room, Silv, now that Neal has come on board.

ha, ha.

I've said it from the beginning...Neal is no different than kobe...and I will call Neal on it just the same.

[Giuseppe]

What hurts former Wizard MJ are those last two years in Washington. It's a stain upon his legacy.

What a shame.

[Giuseppe]

I've said it from the beginning...Neal is no different than kobe...and I will call Neal on it just the same.

Fine. I was just checkin' assholes.

[O.J Mayo]

Look, I can give names too.

LMAO KoMe Cryant.

LMAO Lamar Odumb.

LMAO Pau Gasoft.

LMAO Los Angeles Fakers

LMAO name giving smack talk.

LMAO LkrFag is a retard.

[silverblk mystix]

Fine. I was just checkin' assholes.

It seems like that is your vocation in life. It also, literally, is.

[midnightpulp]

That's funny. After he dropped 45 points on TD, Robinson, and Sean Idiot, y'all went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen. Why would y'all do that for a sidekick?

Now you just trolling. Gotcha :downspin:

Because the Spurs had Terry Porter, Danny Ferry, and Steve Smith trying to contain a top 5 perimeter player. If Bowen is available, you get him. Simple as that. And the very next year, Bowen proved his worth by holding Kobe below his season averages. Even outscored Kobe in Game 2 :lol.

Make no mistake, Shaq was always the primary focus, but pre-Bowen, the Spurs had enough to contain him with Robinson and Duncan, while Kobe was getting fat off their weak perimeter defense.

Kobe's performance against the pre-Bowen Spurs are some of the most overrated and exaggerated examples to cite when you Kobe fantards attempt to bolster his role on the 3 peat Lakers.

I know, I know. You idiots want Kobe's 5 rings to be as legitimate as they can for the purpose of propping up his all-time great status, but why should he be exempt from the standards other players are held to? Kobe has 2 rings as the main man, and no amount of clever rewritten history from you morons is going to change that.

And like I said, rings are a team accomplishment.

[Giuseppe]

And like I said, rings are a team accomplishment.

And Kobe has 5 of them. Former Wizard Jordan still has 6, so, he's ok for the moment.

Relax.

[midnightpulp]

And Kobe has 5 of them. Former Wizard Jordan still has 6, so, he's ok for the moment.

Relax.

Quite a number of players have an equal or greater amount of rings than Jordan.

Are they better players?

[O.J Mayo]

But, but..... but he has more rings. Shouldn't he be the better player? Kenny Smith thinks he is better than Gary Payton too, because he is also a Kobe fan.

[Giuseppe]

Quite a number of players have an equal or greater amount of rings than Jordan.

Are they better players?

You're deigning to ask me a question, Mid?

You beat my brow to a frazzle, call me everything but a white man, and now you query my knowledge.

Sit on it!

[midnightpulp]

You're deigning to ask me a question, Mid?

You beat my brow to a frazzle, call me everything but a white man, and now you query my knowledge.

Sit on it!

I'll take that as a no, then.

Oh...

White man.

Now I've called you everything.

[Cry Havoc]

And Kobe has 5 of them. Former Wizard Jordan still has 6, so, he's ok for the moment.

Relax.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RaOrchOImw8/S28WPxCTH9I/AAAAAAAAdIY/vdiMVQ9PGmI/s400/Robert+Horry+1.jpg

[LkrFan]

Because the Spurs had Terry Porter, Danny Ferry, and Steve Smith trying to contain a top 5 perimeter player. If Bowen is available, you get him. Simple as that. And the very next year, Bowen proved his worth by holding Kobe below his season averages. Even outscored Kobe in Game 2 :lol.

Make no mistake, Shaq was always the primary focus, but pre-Bowen, the Spurs had enough to contain him with Robinson and Duncan, while Kobe was getting fat off their weak perimeter defense.

Kobe's performance against the pre-Bowen Spurs are some of the most overrated and exaggerated examples to cite when you Kobe fantards attempt to bolster his role on the 3 peat Lakers.

I know, I know. You idiots want Kobe's 5 rings to be as legitimate as they can for the purpose of propping up his all-time great status, but why should he be exempt from the standards other players are held to? Kobe has 2 rings as the main man, and no amount of clever rewritten history from you morons is going to change that.

And like I said, rings are a team accomplishment.

I would love to see some footage of Danny MFing Ferry being used by Pop to check Kobe. Now you tripping.

There is no mistake in my logic. PJ mandated that Shaq be the focus of the offense - and since it worked - why mess that up? Truth be told, Kobe was ready in 2002 to lead the Lakers but Shaq would have been butthurt if PJ let that happen so he didn't. It worked, so who am I to argue? Just for shits and giggles: he averaged 22.5 in 2000, 28.5 points 2001, he went for 25.2 ppg in 2002 - so don't give me that sidekick shit. I know there are Kobe haters out there, but fact is: he averaged 25.4 ppg during our 3peat. That's why I said he played a major role in all of his titles. 25.4 ppg as a "sidekick" during our 3 peat, and 29.8 ppg after the big do-nut eater left LA for 2 more (and counting).

[Giuseppe]

That's the ticket, Cry.

See, you can all relax and take it at your leisure. Bryant is comin'....he's just not there yet. You got time.

[ChuckD]

That's funny. After he dropped 45 points on TD, Robinson, and Sean Idiot, y'all went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen. Why would y'all do that for a sidekick?

Now you just trolling. Gotcha :downspin:

KoME needs an All Star big to win the ring. Jordan never did. End of discussion. KoME is the GOATIHMAFLF guard. That is how it will always be. I guarantee you that MJ was never breaking down film of Dr. J and copying HIS moves the was KoME copied MJ's.

[Koolaid_Man]

The GOAT putting Robin in his rightful place. Tee, hee.



just trying to make Lebron feel better about his personal situation. Don't want it to seem like everyone is piling on...could sense Lebron crying at night. Nothing more nothing less...:lol

[midnightpulp]

I would love to see some footage of Danny MFing Ferry being used by Pop to check Kobe. Now you tripping.

There is no mistake in my logic. PJ mandated that Shaq be the focus of the offense - and since it worked - why mess that up? Truth be told, Kobe was ready in 2002 to lead the Lakers but Shaq would have been butthurt if PJ let that happen so he didn't. It worked, so who am I to argue? Just for shits and giggles: he averaged 28.5 in 2001, 25.2 points 2002, he went for 30 ppg in 2002 - so don't give me that sidekick shit. I know there are Kobe haters out there, but fact is: he averaged 27.9 ppg during our 3peat. That's why I said he played a major role in all of his titles. 27.9 ppg as a "sidekick" during our 3 peat, and 29.8 ppg after the big do-nut eater left LA for 2 more (and counting).

Lol. No he wasn't. He tried to take over the '03 series against the Spurs, turning it into a personal challenge against Bowen, and essentially shot your boys out of the series. Then in '04, he set his sights on the Finals MVP and proceeded to cough up one of the worst performances by a superstar in Finals history.

And as good as Kobe's stats were during the 3 peat, Shaq's were some of the greatest of all time during that stretch. He was Shaq's inferior, anyway you slice it. Sorry.

Look, I have your love interest top 10 all-time, but it's going to take some truly outstanding performances for him to enter Jordan/Kareem/Magic/Bird territory. But top 10 isn't good enough, is it? If we don't consistently wipe Kobe's sperm off our faces daily and concede that he's a top 5 player who is nearing Jordan's level, we're "haters." Right?

[LkrFan]

KoME needs an All Star big to win the ring. Jordan never did. End of discussion. KoME is the GOATIHMAFLF guard. That is how it will always be. I guarantee you that MJ was never breaking down film of Dr. J and copying HIS moves the was KoME copied MJ's.

Rodman was an all star. He should be a HOFer but he probably will get in post-humanously. I'll guarantee you that MJ did watch Dr. J. And if Kobe did copy MJ, who the hell cares? He said he has a lot of all-time greats moves in his arsenal. Last Summer he worked out with the Dream to fine tune his post game. I fail to see what's wrong with that. :wakeup

[Koolaid_Man]

Jordan speaks the truth. He understands the flaws in Kobe's game and is fully cognizant of the fact that (a) Kobe Bryant won over half of his rings as a second option, (b) repeated during the weakest two years the NBA has seen in a very long time, and (c) is big man dependent.

Besides, rings are team accomplishments. If you want to compare individual numbers, MJ's resume curbstombs Kobe's, then throws it in a grave, covers it with dirt, and takes giant piss on it.


Mid I bet you woke up..saw this quote from MJ...and after shedding a few tears...looked in the mirror and solemnly said: "There is a god after all."...after that poignant moment you reached for the chicken feather to tickle your ass but you realized you needed something much stronger than a chicken feather. :lol

LhEOS2Kdd0c

[Giuseppe]

I wonder if Katie-girl would do me with the chicken feather?

[midnightpulp]

now if only I were a white girl...

[Giuseppe]

I wonder if Katie-girl would do me with the chicken feather?

"No."
:rolleyes

[Koolaid_Man]

I wonder if Katie-girl would do me with the chicken feather?


mid - the chicken feather king might suggest you use the brown feathers wouldn't want to get the white ones all dirty..:lol

[LkrFan]

I'm gay and I'm not ashamed.

I don't care if you want to come out of the closet - but ease out that muthafucka man! :toast

[midnightpulp]

I don't care if you want to come out of the closet - but ease out that muthafucka man! :toast

Lol. Edit.

[LkrFan]

I can piss on my balls even when I have a hard on! :depressed

Damn, that sucks! :lmao

[LkrFan]

Lol. Edit.
:lol

[O.J Mayo]

I am a faggot and proud of it talking about other man's balls.

Look, I can edit quotes too. So mature.

[midnightpulp]

Lkrfan's edits shows what a follower he is. I did it to KoolAIDS_Man post and this unoriginal faggot followed right along like the sheep he is.

But, alas, he is a Laker fan.

[ChuckD]

Rodman was an all star. He should be a HOFer but he probably will get in post-humanously. I'll guarantee you that MJ did watch Dr. J. And if Kobe did copy MJ, who the hell cares? He said he has a lot of all-time greats moves in his arsenal. Last Summer he worked out with the Dream to fine tune his post game. I fail to see what's wrong with that. :wakeup
Sorry, let me clarify what I thought to be obvious to all but the colossally obtuse. I mean, Micheal Finley was an All Star at one point, too, but no one would claim that SA nabbed an "All Star" when they signed him, would they? Rodman was never an All Star in Chicago with MJ, and he sure as shit is NEVER going into the HOF.:lol His game was already sliding downwards in SA, two years before he got to Chicago. Rodman was a lot of hype built around two monster years in Detroit and a personality disorder.

People think he was this ungodly rebounder, but 13.1 rebs/gm isn't punching his ticket to Springfield. The GOAT got by with the likes of Will Perdue and Bill Wennington in the post on teams KoME couldn't have taken to the playoffs.

KoME needs a CURRENT All Star big to win the ring. Jordan never did. End of discussion. KoME is the GOATIHMAFLF guard. That is how it will always be. I guarantee you that MJ was never breaking down film of Dr. J and copying HIS moves the was KoME copied MJ's.

[LkrFan]

I am not mature that's why my jimmy is so little :cry.

:lmao

[midnightpulp]

I gave Magic Johnson HIV

[LkrFan]

Lkrfan's edits shows what a follower he is. I did it to KoolAIDS_Man post and this unoriginal faggot followed right along like the sheep he is.

But, alas, he is a Laker fan.

Now the pot is calling the tea kettle black. I've seen many posts edited...by you and now you calling me out? You gave me the idea. :lol

Edit: see post #58 in this thread for evidence. :rollin

[O.J Mayo]

I like thinking about other people's cock.

You are a LkrFag, I wouldn't doubt you would do that.

[Leetonidas]

You've no room, Silv, now that Neal has come on board.

ha, ha.

:lmao

Is that all you keep referring to? Kobe is a rapist but so is Neal? Who the fuck cares about Gary Neal, he is a nobody and will most likely get his ass waived before too long. He's not the "leader" of the last two NBA championship teams, he never whined to be traded and threw his entire team under the bus, and he never went 6-24 in Game 7 of the Finals.

But it's not a surprise you're defending rapists since you routinely try to lure young Jewish boys off the internet to your playhouse

[daslicer]

I always got the vibe that MJ had his own personal agenda when he was propping Kobe over Lebron. I think MJ doesn't respect Lebron but neither does he respect Kobe. Deep down MJ knows that even if Kobe wins 6 rings that Kobe gets crushed in personal comparisons to himself which includes stats, awards, etc. These things would be magnified in the comparisons done by espn if Kobe was to win number 6. He knows that unanimously Kobe would be seen as inferior to him and that if Lebron is portrayed as not even being on Kobe's level then his greatness is deflated. MJ is the greatest but he is also an asshole and I'm surprised some people religiously take his comments to heart without seeing his own personal agendas.

[LkrFan]

You are a LkrFag, I wouldn't doubt you would do that.

I'm the one being immature? Out of the blue, you quote me because you disagree with my take and then you call me a retard and a fag? I think it's funny. However, you seem to be taking my humor personally. Lighten up yo. :flag:

[O.J Mayo]

I'm the one being immature? Out of the blue, you quote me because you disagree with my take and then you call me a retard and a fag? I think it's funny. However, you seem to be taking my humor personally. Lighten up yo. :flag:

It is because you are a retard and a fag. It is the truth.

[LkrFan]

You ain't a man until you had one. It is the truth.

You asked for it. :toast

[O.J Mayo]

You asked for it. :toast

Nope, I don't have dicks in my ass. That is what a fag would experience, just like you.

[Will Hunting]

It has come to my attention that you are misbehaving. Please stop ruining basketball threads (not this one) with nonsense. Thanks.


Understood.

i'm telling

[Jose Canseco]

Michael is right. Being in the top 5 of guards all time is still being in the top 10.

[LkrFan]

I always got the vibe that MJ had his own personal agenda when he was propping Kobe over Lebron. I think MJ doesn't respect Lebron but neither does he respect Kobe. Deep down MJ knows that even if Kobe wins 6 rings that Kobe gets crushed in personal comparisons to himself which includes stats, awards, etc. These things would be magnified in the comparisons done by espn if Kobe was to win number 6. He knows that unanimously Kobe would be seen as inferior to him and that if Lebron is portrayed as not even being on Kobe's level then his greatness is deflated. MJ is the greatest but he is also an asshole and I'm surprised some people religiously take his comments to heart without seeing his own personal agendas.
This post has a lot of truth in it. Props.

[dunkman]

I would love to see some footage of Danny MFing Ferry being used by Pop to check Kobe. Now you tripping.

There is no mistake in my logic. PJ mandated that Shaq be the focus of the offense - and since it worked - why mess that up? Truth be told, Kobe was ready in 2002 to lead the Lakers but Shaq would have been butthurt if PJ let that happen so he didn't. It worked, so who am I to argue? Just for shits and giggles: he averaged 22.5 in 2000, 28.5 points 2001, he went for 25.2 ppg in 2002 - so don't give me that sidekick shit. I know there are Kobe haters out there, but fact is: he averaged 25.4 ppg during our 3peat. That's why I said he played a major role in all of his titles. 25.4 ppg as a "sidekick" during our 3 peat, and 29.8 ppg after the big do-nut eater left LA for 2 more (and counting).

Kobe scored 45 on 35 shots. That was a great performance, however the Spurs SG Derek Anderson was badly injured by Juwon Howard in the previous serie. The Spurs had to start Antonio Daniels, he wasn't a bad defensive player, but he's too short and Kobe shot over him at will.

The Spurs tried the reintroduce DA in the last two games, but he was playing awful.

Kobe was always able to score 1 on 1, but larger good defensive players made him take too many shots. Bowen wasn't the only one. During the three peat, it was unnecessary to double Kobe. When the offense was trough Shaq, he drew too much defensive attention from most teams, which made the things easy for Kobe and the other Lakers.

When the problems between Shaq and Kobe went out of control after the first championship, Phil wanted Kobe traded for Kidd and Marion. He didn't think Kobe was irreplaceable and didn't want Shaq traded.

[Giuseppe]

i'm telling

A course. You have no other choice.

[Giuseppe]

Gary Neal, he is a nobody and will most likely get his ass waived before too long.

Well, when that happens you let me know and I'll relent. Otherwise & until then, Lee, it's strictly heel & toe, my boy.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jordan's opinion is irrelevant, just like the opinions of other NBA people and the media, if we're speaking from a talent assessment perspective..

The only people that use opinions of others as an argument for basketball purposes are people that have no abilit to present an argument using facts, numbers and logic..ironically, a Laker fan is calling out Mike here, when Laker fan is usually the primary user of the "opinion of NBA people" argument..

Facts and logic show that Kobe is a top 10 player of all-time..

[Koolaid_Man]

Jordan's opinion is irrelevant, just like the opinions of other NBA people and the media, if we're speaking from a talent assessment perspective..

The only people that use opinions of others as an argument for basketball purposes are people that have no abilit to present an argument using facts, numbers and logic..ironically, a Laker fan is calling out Mike here, when Laker fan is usually the primary user of the "opinion of NBA people" argument..

Facts and logic show that Kobe is a top 10 player of all-time..


MJ never played with Shaq...only reason he has better numbers than Kobe. Had he played with a ball dominant center his numbers would be less than Kobe's given that Kobe is a more prolific scorer than MJ. Kobe coming for MJ....all the shit hits the fan this year...:toast

[Giuseppe]

& he's comin' hard.

Kool Aid Man

[dunkman]

While the difference with MJ is abysmal, Magic is still better by considerable margins and Oscar was probably more talented, other than them it's questionable if West was better, or if Wade or Chris Paul are going to be better than Kobe when it's all said and done.

On the other hand, Kobe played 14 seasons being one of the best NBA players but his dominance was never such to think he's some GOAT player. Hence he has only 1 MVP award and his finals performances were too weak by GOAT standards, except for the 2009 season.

He's 32, perhaps he can still work to cement his legacy.

[mudyez]

comparing Kobe and MJ?

really?

shouldnt it be: Kobe and Pippen?

[Giuseppe]

........especially when Pip adamantly refused to play second banana to Kukuc.

[mudyez]

While the difference with MJ is abysmal, Magic is still better by considerable margins and Oscar was probably more talented, other than them it's questionable if West was better, or if Wade or Chris Paul are going to be better than Kobe when it's all said and done.

On the other hand, Kobe played 14 seasons being one of the best NBA players but his dominance was never such to think he's some GOAT player. Hence he has only 1 MVP award and his finals performances were too weak by GOAT standards, except for the 2009 season.

He's 32, perhaps he can still work to cement his legacy.

he should be AND finish top5 as a guard (like you said mj, magic, oscar and west) and top25 as a player...maybe top20!

that said: MJ isn't far off IMO!

[mudyez]

........especially when Pip adamantly refused to play second banana to Kukuc.

yeah, but without Jordan he went to the second round and nearly finish off NY, while kobe stank up the Phoenix series when Shaq left!

[Giuseppe]

yeah, but without Jordan he went to the second round and nearly finish off NY, while kobe stank up the Phoenix series when Shaq left!

Whereas Kobe came back and rang/sans Daddy, Pippen never rang/sans MJ.

[mudyez]

That's obvious, more than half the top 10 players were/are forwards or centers.

basically half of them are centers

[mudyez]

Whereas Kobe came back and rang/sans Daddy, Pippen never rang/sans MJ.

didn't have too, as he was a good enough teammate to live as second banana.

but feels good to have the kobe-pippen conversation now!

it makes a lot more sense

[doobs]

Laker fans are so ridiculous. If Shaq had stayed and Kobe had left, they would remember Kobe as a role player on some of Shaq's teams.

Now he's GOAT.

[Giuseppe]

didn't have too

A course not.

Kobe had to though, until he actually did and then we didn't want to talk about that no more, eh?

[Giuseppe]

Now he's GOAT.

Not yet, but, he's definitely loitering that neighborhood. Another ring and we'll have to get down to brass tacks. Two more and we're gonna stack bricks 'till the cows come home.

[hitmanyr2k]

All I can see is those last two years in D.C.

Oh, me---Oh, my.

They are in memory. Actual footage? I don't believe exists.

You should remember. Even at 39 years old Jordan could still put Kobe in his place.

Y4T8_U4iHt4

[Giuseppe]

Perhaps, but, every body else took a piece of his Wizard ass those two years.

[Jelloisjigglin]

LOL I thought MJ was a terrible judge of talent and therefore his opinion doesn't matter? Oh right, it only doesn't matter when he's praising Kobe.

Pathetic.

[mudyez]

A course not.

Kobe had to though, until he actually did and then we didn't want to talk about that no more, eh?

Pip didn't drive mj out of town!

I think, while comparing Pippen to Kobe or Kobe with anyone else, thats the biggest chink in his armor:

He always seemed to be the guy, that wanted to become the GOAT...to the point where wasn't because of it.

Do I like LeBrons behaviour, taking the easy way? Hell no! and that's why LeBron ended all the MJ-comparisons this summer for once and all time.

But what do you prefer? A guy, that really was about winning ships, or a guy, that drove the best player out of town, sourrendering some championships just because he wanted to show, he is soooo great?

I tell you: If Kobe would have been a better teammate, the Lakers would have 2-3 more championships (2 of them probably now in Spurs hands...thanks man!)

[Jose Canseco]

Why do people continue to insist that Kobe drove Shaq out of LA when pretty much everyone involved says it wasn't Kobe. It was Jerry Buss and Shaq. Buss not paying Shaq and Shaq causing beef with Buss is why he got shipped out. They all say that. Now did Kobe snitching on Shaq and having his own issues with Shaq make it an easier decision? Sure. But it was still on Buss. Kobe didn't drive Shaq out of town. And some people still try to twist it as being the case.

[Giuseppe]

It sells better that way, Jose. There was no money to made by fitting Shaq with the hair shirt upon leaving L.A.

[dunkman]

The timing was strange, the day after Shaq was traded, Kobe re-signed with the Lakers. Kobe didn't want to play with Shaq in the same team, that was clear. He also didn't want to play for Phil Jax, but later changed his opinion.

It was strange how the Lakers signed Payton for the MLE, he was an all-star the previous season and Malone (21 ppg, 8 rpg, 5 apg) signed for the vet min when the Spurs offered $10M. Shaq lured that players, who know how.

It seems that Buss had broke some promises, because Shaq yelled at him "where is my money" or something like that. Perhaps he was offered a big contract should he get Payton and Malone to sign with the Lakers or perhaps he paid them.

[Giuseppe]

They'd skimmed the top off Daddy. Kobe forewarned Buss: "You can have one of us, but, not both, so choose." In hindsight Buss made the correct choice. Kobe has held his feet to the fire in the intervening years whereas Daddy woulda just sloughed at the trough year in/year out.

[diego]

what i dont get with the kobe fans:

they insist kobe wasnt a sidekick to shaq, when he himself has said he was

they insist kobe is as good as jordan, when he himself says he isnt

they insist he is the player of his generation, one of the best all time, and the lakers one of the best franchises of all time, yet they lost two finals they were favorites in (pistons 04, 2 baskets away from a sweep, and celtics 08 which included the biggest finals blowout of all time). should we be having billups/ pierce top 10 all time arguments too?

[Giuseppe]

You've never repeated, does that stain Duncan, et al?

[Gutter92]

LOL I thought MJ was a terrible judge of talent and therefore his opinion doesn't matter? Oh right, it only doesn't matter when he's praising Kobe.

Pathetic.


Uh, what?

Ok, if you don't believe his opinion on the "Kobe is a top 10 guard all time", then you have to take his opinion on "Kobe > LeBron" with a huge grain of salt...can't have it both ways brah ;)

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Ahh, another Kobe Lover/Hater pissing contest. Have fun girls!

To answer the question, Kobe is a top 10 and a top 5 all timer guard. Above him are MJ and Magic. Right there with him are Oscar Robertson and Jerry West. I put Kobe at number 5. Who else could crack that list? Be realistic, it's hard to find candidates among the NBA top 50 at 50. The newer players are too new or not at Kobe's level.

[Jelloisjigglin]

Uh, what?

Ok, if you don't believe his opinion on the "Kobe is a top 10 guard all time", then you have to take his opinion on "Kobe > LeBron" with a huge grain of salt...can't have it both ways brah ;)


Eh, i honestly don't care what Jordan has to say either way. I respect and loved watching him as a player but that's it. He's a very petty and egotistical man. We all saw this when he give his HOF speech.

[Gutter92]

Eh, i honestly don't care what Jordan has to say either way. I respect and loved watching him as a player but that's it. He's a very petty and egotistical man. We all saw this when he give his HOF speech.

What exactly about his HoF speech turned you away from him?

[Jelloisjigglin]

What exactly about his HoF speech turned you away from him?


You missed it? It was the fact that he felt the need to call out everyone including some poor guy that made the team over him in H.S. It showed how petty he is.

[Gold Tooth Carl]

You missed it? It was the fact that he felt the need to call out everyone including some poor guy that made the team over him in H.S. It showed how petty he is.

Just like Kobe said live on national tv that he finally got one more ring than shaq

[Gutter92]

Just like Kobe said live on national tv that he finally got one more ring than shaq

Carl, you saw the comparison I was drawing.:toast

[Jelloisjigglin]

Carl, you saw the comparison I was drawing.:toast


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UziUhf1ukw

Different situation. No one provoked Jordan. That's just the way he is..

[Gutter92]

Yea...I definitely got "arrogant and petty" from watching Jordan's Hall of Fame speech...

"In all those videos..you never saw just me...you saw scottie pippen too"

[Jt.ONE]

i thought it was established that he's top 10 guard?

[namlook]

Kobe is clearly top 10 all time. In the modern era (since the NBA/ABA merger in the 70s) how many players have been a league MVP and have won 5 or more rings? Off the top of my head, Jordan, Kareem, Magic. Any others?

[duhoh]

Laker fan perspective:

"I've played with Hakeem and Duncan and I think Hakeem was the better player."

Re: OMG HE WAS IN THE NBA HE KNOWS HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITH HIM HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT BASKETBALL THAN YOU

"I think Kobe is better than Lebron."

Re: YOU SEE HES AN NBA PLAYER YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT THIS IS PROOF THAT KOBE IS BETTER.

"Kobe is a top 10 guard of all time."

Re: OMG HE'S STUPID HE'S SCARED NBA PLAYERS DONT KNOW ANYTHING LAKER RAAAAAAAAAAGE KOBE GOAT!!!!

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Yep. Pretty obvious about the situation here.

Pretty much. Based on the guard-play friendly type of rules today, I'd say Jordan easily gets 40 a game, unless if he gets a stacked team like Kobe.

Kobe is great, but leave it to a stupid fan to take a compliment from MJ and turn it into an attack.

[DAF86]

IMO, it's clear that Kobe isn't top ten of all-time.

[Gutter92]

Pretty much. Based on the guard-play friendly type of rules today, I'd say Jordan easily gets 40 a game, unless if he gets a stacked team like Kobe.

Kobe is great, but leave it to a stupid fan to take a compliment from MJ and turn it into an attack.

Didn't Pippen say if Kobe was able to score 81, Jordan woulda dropped 100 w/ these rules?

And I'm pretty sure Jackson said Jordan could average 45 ppg in this era...

[Giuseppe]

i thought it was established that he's top 10 guard?

That was before he left the Magic & the Celtics dead in the ground. After that things have gotten quite preposterous.

[Ghazi]

crucify em cubby

send thaat skunked ass to the tree of woe.

thats it, and thats all

[Giuseppe]

thats it, and thats all

The line is from "Legends of the Fall."

[Venti Quattro]

Top 10 so he could be from 1-10. I respect what MJ says. At least he doesn't say that Kobe sucks. :lol

[mabrignani]

That's funny. After he dropped 45 points on TD, Robinson, and Sean Idiot, y'all went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen. Why would y'all do that for a sidekick?

Now you just trolling. Gotcha :downspin:

if he wasnt a sidekick why did the lakers need to get gasol?
answer - bc kobe cant make the playoffs w/o a big man

[lefty]

This thread is full of fail. And if Michael Jordan really said that, he is full of shit. He is threatened by Kobe. I don't remember him giving Kobe props on his 81 point game and I'll bet he won't give him props when he wins #6 this year. I can only imagine what he will say when Kobe has 7 rings. F Michael Jordan.
:lmao:rollin

[024]

lol when jordan says he wouldn't do what lebron did, lakerfan slobbers all over those comments but when jordan says kobe is top 10, lakerfan says he's "threatened." lmao.

[hitmanyr2k]

MJ's prime was in the watered down 90's. After defeating Detroit, no player could touch MJ without getting the whistle. He was the Kevin Durant or DWhistle of his era. He would have no more success today than he had during his era. If guys like Dantley and English could have averaged 30 a night in the so-called tough 80's, what the fuck you think Kobe could have done. The 80's was a tougher era, but the players today are much better.

Not really. During the 1st 3-peat in his prime Jordan averaged 7-8 free throws at best...

'91 - averaged 8 free throws on 22 shots a game.
'92 - averaged 7 free throws on 23 shots a game
'93 - averaged a whopping 26 shots a game and his free throw average stayed at 7 a game.

Durant last year took 20 shots a game and is primarily a jumpshooter but still got to the line 10 times a game :lol

Now the comaparison to Wade gets even worse-
2005 - on 17 shots a game Wade got 10 free throws a game
2006 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
2007 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
2008 - 2010 - his free throw averages have been between 9-10

So Durant and Wade both averaged 2-3 free throws more than Jordan on anywhere from 4-7 less shots a game. Obviously Jordan played in an era where the refs didn't blow the whistle as much while today's players are in a league that's much more whistle-happy and willing to parade their stars to the foul line. Wade is basically Jordan-lite so if he can get to the line that many times on less than 20 shots a game I see no reason why prime Jordan wouldn't dominate the hell of this weak era. I think his scoring averages get inflated by 2-3 points.

[Killakobe81]

He said he was top 10 of aLL guards and he never said "where he placed" in that 10 ...

[lefty]

lol when jordan says he wouldn't do what lebron did, lakerfan slobbers all over those comments but when jordan says kobe is top 10, lakerfan says he's "threatened." lmao.
:lol

[dunkman]

Not really. During the 1st 3-peat in his prime Jordan averaged 7-8 free throws at best...

'91 - averaged 8 free throws on 22 shots a game.
'92 - averaged 7 free throws on 23 shots a game
'93 - averaged a whopping 26 shots a game and his free throw average stayed at 7 a game.

Durant last year took 20 shots a game and is primarily a jumpshooter but still got to the line 10 times a game :lol

Now the comaparison to Wade gets even worse-
2005 - on 17 shots a game Wade got 10 free throws a game
2006 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
2007 - on 19 shots a game he got 11 free throws a game
2008 - 2010 - his free throw averages have been between 9-10

So Durant and Wade both averaged 2-3 free throws more than Jordan on anywhere from 4-7 less shots a game. Obviously Jordan played in an era where the refs didn't blow the whistle as much while today's players are in a league that's much more whistle-happy and willing to parade their stars to the foul line. Wade is basically Jordan-lite so if he can get to the line that many times on less than 20 shots a game I see no reason why prime Jordan wouldn't dominate the hell of this weak era. I think his scoring averages get inflated by 2-3 points.

It's not only that every contact while driving is called a foul.

The hand-checking allowed a defender to put his hand on the face of the offensive player, so the ofensive player had no choice but to turn around back to the basket, which is an considerable disadvantage. Once a player dribbled his way face to the basket and started driving, the defensive player could push the shoulders of the offensive player to prevent the driving and to force a direction change.

In the paint were some really good defensive centers protecting the basket. There was no the 3 sec defensive rule, so the center could wait and position himself. And some degree of contact was allowed while contesting a shot. Today that's an automatic foul.

The dribbling had to be excellent and the players had great body control to score with contact. Raw athletics can't replace skill.

Not sure about other positions, they would probably suffer, guards/small forwards of the 80's/90's would definitively score more today.

[LkrFan]

if he wasnt a sidekick why did the lakers need to get gasol?
answer - bc kobe cant make the playoffs w/o a big man

He made the playoffs in 2006 with Kwame friggen Brown as his big man. It took him 35.4 ppg to do it, but it happened. If not for Tim Thomas' lucky as 3ptr, we might have went to the Finals that year. Why, you ask? Because even without Shaq, we owned the Mavs and the Clippers were still the Clippers. Nobody on the Clips or Mavs could stop Kobe from going nuclear. His 35.4 ppg that year was no fluke.

Try again. Jackass.

[O.J Mayo]

He made the playoffs in 2006 with Kwame friggen Brown as his big man. It took him 35.4 ppg to do it, but it happened. If not for Tim Thomas' lucky as 3ptr, we might have went to the Finals that year. Why, you ask? Because even without Shaq, we owned the Mavs and the Clippers were still the Clippers. Nobody on the Clips or Mavs could stop Kobe from going nuclear. His 35.4 ppg that year was no fluke.

Try again. Jackass.
Look at this retard fag making baseless conjectures that they would beat the Clippers and Mavericks in 2006.

The same Clippers who forced the Suns into 7 games and the same Mavs who beat the Suns in the conference finals.

Try this, if Kobe wasn't a quitter in game 7, maybe, just maybe you could have made the conference semi-finals.

[Giuseppe]

MJ quit as well.

Pippen too.

[LkrFan]

Look at this retard fag making baseless conjectures that they would beat the Clippers and Mavericks in 2006.

The same Clippers who forced the Suns into 7 games and the same Mavs who beat the Suns in the conference finals.

Try this, if Kobe wasn't a quitter in game 7, maybe, just maybe you could have made the conference semi-finals.

You are a clown. It's about matchups. Look it up. The Lakers were 2-1 against the Mavs that year and 2-2 against the Clips.

Kobe quitting in game 7 is a joke at best. We were down 58-50 at the half - despite Kobe going off. So PJ made us change our strategy. Then we actually outstcored the Suns by 8 in the 3rd to go into the 4th tied at 75. Then we were outscored by 5 in the 4th losing by 5 measly points to a powerhouse Phoenix squad. Kobe still had a game high 22 that night as he was trying to get players like Cook, Kwame, Smush Parker, Lamar Odom and Luke Walton off. In other words PJ mandated that we try a more balanced attack. Hell, it almost worked too.

It is too convenient for non-Laker fans to say Kobe quit. He did what PJ told him to do just like he sacrificed his game for Shaq. Either way Kobe can't win with you losers. But, as long as he keeps collecting :lobt: it's all good. :toast

[O.J Mayo]

You are a clown. It's about matchups. Look it up. The Lakers were 2-1 against the Mavs that year and 2-2 against the Clips.

Kobe quitting in game 7 is a joke at best. We were down 58-50 at the half - despite Kobe going off. So PJ made us change our strategy. Then we actually outstcored the Suns by 8 in the 3rd to go into the 4th tied at 75. Then we were outscored by 5 in the 4th losing by 5 measly points to a powerhouse Phoenix squad. Kobe still had a game high 22 that night as he was trying to get players like Cook, Kwame, Smush Parker, Lamar Odom and Luke Walton off. In other words PJ mandated that we try a more balanced attack. Hell, it almost worked too.

It is too convenient for non-Laker fans to say Kobe quit. He did what PJ told him to do just like he sacrificed his game for Shaq. Either way Kobe can't win with you losers. But, as long as he keeps collecting :lobt: it's all good. :toast

The Cavaliers would have won the NBA finals if they had beaten the Celtics then with your logic. I mean, they were 2-0 against the Lakers last season.

Match ups my ass. The Clippers had prime Elton Brand and Chris Kaman, a way better frontcourt than Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom. How is that for match ups? You showed that you are a retard with your posts.

Elton Brand, in that season averaged 24.7 points, 10 rebounds and 2.6 assists. He averaged 25.4 points, 10.3 rebounds and 4 assists in the playoffs. No player on the Lakers could have stopped him.

[LkrFan]

The Cavaliers would have won the NBA finals if they had beaten the Celtics then with your logic. I mean, they were 2-0 against the Lakers last season.

Match ups my ass. The Clippers had prime Elton Brand and Chris Kaman, a way better frontcourt than Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom. How is that for match ups? You showed that you are a retard with your posts.

Elton Brand, in that season averaged 24.7 points, 10 rebounds and 2.6 assists. He averaged 25.4 points, 10.3 rebounds and 4 assists in the playoffs. No player on the Lakers could have stopped him.

Oh snap, I'm getting trolled. You logged back in just to fuck with me. That deserves a :lol, a :rollin, and a :lmao.

I don't give a shit what Brand averaged. They were a better team than the Lakers record wise, yet we still split the season series with them. In the end, they are still the Clippers and the Lakers own their asses. The Lakers edge with Kobe v. whoever they have guarding him >>>> any matchup advantage Brand had over our bigs. A quick double team to get the ball out of his hands would have been employed.

And don't compare the Cavs to the Lakers. Those losers lost to the team we beat in game 7. Yet they swept the season series against us. It's about matchups. We matched up better with the Celtics than we did against them in the regular season. The playoffs, however, are a different animal homeboy. The cream always rises to the top. :toast