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boutons_deux
10-10-2010, 08:45 PM
Police Prison Justice Industrial Complex




October 8, 2010

High Cost of Crime

By CHARLES M. BLOW

When times get hard and talk turns to spending and budgets, there is one area that gets short shrift: the cost of crime and our enormous criminal justice system. For instance, how much do you think a single murder costs society? According to researchers at Iowa State University, it is a whopping $17.25 million.

Those researchers analyzed 2003 data from cases in Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma and Texas and calculated the figure based on “victim costs, criminal justice system costs, lost productivity estimates for both the victim and the criminal, and estimates on the public’s resulting willingness to pay to prevent future violence.” That willingness to prevent future violence includes collateral costs like expenditures for security measures, insurance and government welfare programs. It’s hard to believe that they could calculate the collateral costs with any real degree of accuracy, but I understand the concept.

(They also calculated that each rape costs $448,532, each robbery $335,733, each aggravated assault $145,379 and each burglary $41,288.)

By their estimates, more than 18,000 homicides that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recorded in 2007 alone will cost us roughly $300 billion. That’s about as much as we’ve spent over nine years fighting the war in Afghanistan. That’s more than the 2010 federal budget for the Departments of Education, Justice, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Labor and Homeland Security combined. Does anyone else see a problem here?

Although the annual murder rate in the U.S. has fallen to historic lows, it is still at least twice as high as that of any of the other rich countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, according to data from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. In fact, it’s even higher than in countries like Rwanda, Angola and Mozambique. And there are troubling signs this year as big cities around the country — New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit — are seeing sharp rises in murder rates.

Our approach to this crime problem for more than two decades has been the mass incarceration of millions of Americans and the industrializing of our criminal justice system. Over the last 25 years, the prison population has quadrupled. This is a race to the bottom and a waste of human capital. A prosperous country cannot remain so by following this path.

Many crimes could have been prevented if the offenders had had the benefit of a competent educational system and a more expansive, better-financed social service system. Sure, some criminals are just bad people, but more are people who took a wrong turn, got lost and ended up on the wrong path. Those we can save.

We have a choice to make: pay a little now or a lot later. Seems like a clear choice to me. But I’m not in Washington where they view clarity as an affliction of the weak.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/09/opinion/09blow.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

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Great country, huh?

Most states spend more on prisons than on their schools.

RandomGuy
10-10-2010, 08:48 PM
Most states spend more on prisons than on their schools.

Interesting.

You wouldn't happen to have a link for that?


Not that it would surprise me, and is certainly a fact that would support the "educate them before you have to incarcerate them" argument.

boutons_deux
10-10-2010, 08:50 PM
Here's another perverse, shoot-my-foot justic tactic

Cash-Strapped States Resurrect "Debtors' Prisons"

a growing number of impoverished people are jailed for being unable to pay their legal fees - including charges for use of public defenders, a guaranteed right in the United States. The resurgence of these draconian "debtors' prisons" has been documented in at least 13 of the 15 states with the largest prison populations in the country, including California, Arizona, Michigan and Alabama.

Gregory White, a homeless man in Louisiana, was arrested for stealing $39 worth of food from a grocery store and assigned $339 in legal fees; when he was jailed for being unable to pay, White spent 198 days in jail at a cost of $3,5000[sic] to the city.

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The Insane Are Running The Asylum

RandomGuy
10-10-2010, 08:51 PM
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Texas_state_budget

(figures in millions)

Article IV – The Judiciary 402.9
Article V – Public Safety and Criminal Justice 8,293.2


Article III – Education 48,484.4

Doesn't seem to be the case in Texas.

RandomGuy
10-10-2010, 08:52 PM
Here's another perverse, shoot-my-foot justic tactic

Cash-Strapped States Resurrect "Debtors' Prisons"

a growing number of impoverished people are jailed for being unable to pay their legal fees - including charges for use of public defenders, a guaranteed right in the United States. The resurgence of these draconian "debtors' prisons" has been documented in at least 13 of the 15 states with the largest prison populations in the country, including California, Arizona, Michigan and Alabama.

Gregory White, a homeless man in Louisiana, was arrested for stealing $39 worth of food from a grocery store and assigned $339 in legal fees; when he was jailed for being unable to pay, White spent 198 days in jail at a cost of $3,5000[sic] to the city.

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The Insane Are Running The Asylum

The bail bond system on the other hand, is fucked beyond belief.

boutons_deux
10-10-2010, 08:56 PM
And who doesn't love incredibly classy, tasteful Dog The Bounty Hunter? :lol

He and his posse of shitheads, the Lady GaGa's of law enforcement.

I bet that's Yoni's favorite show. :lol

jack sommerset
10-10-2010, 09:01 PM
Anyone that pleads guilty to rape, child molestation and/or murder we should put to death right away. Quick shot to the head. Perhaps before we kill them grab a few organs we could use to help someone else. Illegals we should give them one warning, return them to their country and if they return put them to death right away.

Boutons, that will help you with your problem.

MannyIsGod
10-10-2010, 10:43 PM
Anyone that pleads guilty to rape, child molestation and/or murder we should put to death right away. Quick shot to the head. Perhaps before we kill them grab a few organs we could use to help someone else. Illegals we should give them one warning, return them to their country and if they return put them to death right away.

Boutons, that will help you with your problem.


Yeah makes perfect sense. Its not like people would not plead guilty if it meant certain death.

MiamiHeat
10-10-2010, 11:22 PM
Everything is a business.

Putting people in jail is no different. Lots of people make money by selling the government chairs, uniforms, food, etc...

Lol @ war on drugs.

DMX7
10-11-2010, 01:08 AM
Yeah makes perfect sense. Its not like people would not plead guilty if it meant certain death.

You're acting as if Jack weren't a complete idiot. Remember that he's mentally challanged and his responses suddenly make more sense.

Stringer_Bell
10-11-2010, 01:27 AM
Anyone that pleads guilty to rape, child molestation and/or murder we should put to death right away. Quick shot to the head. Perhaps before we kill them grab a few organs we could use to help someone else. Illegals we should give them one warning, return them to their country and if they return put them to death right away.

Boutons, that will help you with your problem.

If anything, pleading guilty saves everyone the time and resources of the court, the lawyers, the witnesses, and the surviving victims. I say just drop on an island and let the criminals sort it out amongst themselves. No escape for the people that did not allow their victims to escape, that's fair.

There's so many violent killers in prison that can never be helped, why should be feed and house them? That's not justice, that's day care.

boutons_deux
10-11-2010, 05:35 AM
put them to death right away

death penalty, esp in we-kill-niggas-and-wetbacks-in-Texas-for-breakfast, hasn't dissuaded anyone.

The percentage of homicides and rapes and child molestations is minuscule.

The biggest dissuader of illegal immigrants is exactly the same as what persuaded them, the economy. The predatory US dumping agricultural goods on MX destroyed millions of subsistence farms and made MX dependent on US's heavily subsidized crops.

Wild Cobra
10-11-2010, 07:18 AM
Some crimes, the criminal should just be put out of our misery and executed. Especially several first degree crimes.

coyotes_geek
10-11-2010, 09:27 AM
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Texas_state_budget

(figures in millions)

Article IV – The Judiciary 402.9
Article V – Public Safety and Criminal Justice 8,293.2


Article III – Education 48,484.4

Doesn't seem to be the case in Texas.

It's not the case in any state. boutons is full of shit.

Wild Cobra
10-11-2010, 09:35 AM
It's not the case in any state. boutons is full of shit.
When is he not?