UFC 124: St-Pierre vs. Koscheck 2 December 11, 2010 Fight Thread

[ace3g]

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Main card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck
Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan Struve
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard


Preliminary card

Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett
Middleweight bout: Jesse Bongfeldt vs. Rafael Natal
Welterweight bout: Matt Riddle vs. Sean Pierson
Middleweight bout: Joe Doerksen vs. Dan Miller
Welterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida
Lightweight bout: Pat Audinwood vs. John Makdessi

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[CubanSucks]

They should've scheduled the LW and WW championships together cause 124 and 125 look like shit. But I guess that's the plan, bore everyone out of MMA for a while and then...126 gets us all to cream our pants

[dbreiden83080]

Damn ace is all over the fight threads these days..

WAR GSP!!!

[dbreiden83080]

Hey Ace i'm just gonna add the card to this thread you started so we can use it for the official fight thread..

[desflood]

Matt Arroyo does an excellent impersonation of GSP:

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"De first time I fight Matt Hughes, he was my idol. Da second time, he was my bitch." :lmao

[polandprzem]

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[desflood]

Main card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck
Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan Struve
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard


Preliminary card

Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett
Middleweight bout: Jesse Bongfeldt vs. Rafael Natal
Welterweight bout: Matt Riddle vs. Sean Pierson
Middleweight bout: Joe Doerksen vs. Dan Miller
Welterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida
Lightweight bout: Pat Audinwood vs. John Makdessi

[The TroutBum]

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck - This is a no-brainer. Fuck Kosfaggot and all of his AKA faggot fans.
Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan Struve - I like Struve, but he just barely eeked out victories in his last two, and looked like shit in the process.
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira - He has a more American name, so he'll win.
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig - I love Daddy.
Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard - Alves is such an overrated sack of shit.

[dbreiden83080]

Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard - Alves is such an overrated sack of shit.

It's starting to look that way. Alves is in a must win fight for him. He has to not only win but win by finish. He was so drained from weight going into the Fitch fight the guy looked like he had one foot in the coffin..

[Rip-Hamilton32]

GSP
Alves
Joe Daddy
Jim Miller
Sean McCorkle

this card sucks honestly outside of the main event i have zero interest in this card

(changed my pick to Sean)

[dbreiden83080]

GSP
Alves
Joe Daddy
Jim Miller
Struve

this card sucks honestly outside of the main event i have zero interest in this card

Yeah i was dissapointed in it myself. Clearly the UFC is just gonna sell and make most of the money for this in Canada because of GSP. That was their plan.. They won't get tons of PPV buys in the US with a lackluster rest of the card..

[The TroutBum]

Yeah i was dissapointed in it myself. Clearly the UFC is just gonna sell and make most of the money for this in Canada because of GSP. That was their plan.. They won't get tons of PPV buys in the US with a lackluster rest of the card..

Nah, I bet this is in the top 60% of PPV cards -- if I knew how to figure it out, I would -- but enough people want to see KOS get his fucking ass beat that they'll get the card. I know I will.

[strosFan2]

GSP vs Kos
Stefan Struve vs Sean McCorkle
Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
Joe Stevenson vs Mac Danzig
Thiago Alves vs John Howard

[dbreiden83080]

Alves/Howard is a pick em fight. It's so hard to know what Alves is showing up. The Alves that murdered guys like Hughes and Karo. The Alves that beat Koscheck up for 15 min.. Or the Alves that was drained from weight cut and fought like he didn't have a heartbeat against Fitch.. Howard has good striking and hits hard but he is inconsistant. Should be fun to watch since both guys are likely gonna slug it out.. I don't know who to pick though.

I'm gonna wait to see how Alves looks at the weigh in. If he misses weight again or looks like he killed himself to make it, i am definately picking Howard..

[The TroutBum]

Alves/Howard is a pick em fight. It's so hard to know what Alves is showing up. The Alves that murdered guys like Hughes and Karo. The Alves that beat Koscheck up for 15 min.. Or the Alves that was drained from weight cut and fought like he didn't have a heartbeat against Fitch.. Howard has good striking and hits hard but he is inconsistant. Should be fun to watch since both guys are likely gonna slug it out.. I don't know who to pick though.

I'm gonna wait to see how Alves looks at the weigh in. If he misses weight again or looks like he killed himself to make it, i am definately picking Howard..

Pussy.

Just make your pick already.

[Soul_Patch]

Sucks, i just bought a new TV so i want to buy this for that reason...but the card sucks...Id like to see the GSP v KOS fight, but i am afraid it wont even be that great.

Main card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck
Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan Struve
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard


Preliminary card

Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett
Middleweight bout: Jesse Bongfeldt vs. Rafael Natal
Welterweight bout: Matt Riddle vs. Sean Pierson
Middleweight bout: Joe Doerksen vs. Dan MillerWelterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida
Lightweight bout: Pat Audinwood vs. John Makdessi

[ace3g]

My Predictions:

GSP vs Kos
Stefan Struve vs Sean McCorkle
Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
Thiago Alves vs John Howard

TJ Grant vs Ricardo Almeida

[polandprzem]

Main card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck

Josh is the worst matchup for GSP. The champ is the best when he faces guys which has a weaker point. Kos is very versatile and it's hard to find a bad area that GSP can capitalize on. Also AKA is really great gym and Koscheck will be prepared.
I think again George will try to put his opponent on his back and beat him there.

Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan Struve
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig

Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard

This gonna be a wow battle. I do not know if to believe in Howards words that he is gonna stand and bang with Alves. But I think he can do that. Thiago has good takedown D. So standup action will be there.
I wonder if Alves gonna lose are they going to cut him?

Preliminary card

Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett

Ahh this is what I like. One of the best ground specialists face each other. Dustin gonna be as thin as paper at 155lbs

Welterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida

Hopefully Ricky woke up from the Hughes choke

[dbreiden83080]

Main card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck

Josh is the worst matchup for GSP. The champ is the best when he faces guys which has a weaker point. Kos is very versatile and it's hard to find a bad area that GSP can capitalize on. Also AKA is really great gym and Koscheck will be prepared.
I think again George will try to put his opponent on his back and beat him there.

Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan Struve
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig

Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard

This gonna be a wow battle. I do not know if to believe in Howards words that he is gonna stand and bang with Alves. But I think he can do that. Thiago has good takedown D. So standup action will be there.
I wonder if Alves gonna lose are they going to cut him?

Preliminary card

Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Dustin Hazelett

Ahh this is what I like. One of the best ground specialists face each other. Dustin gonna be as thin as paper at 155lbs

Welterweight bout: TJ Grant vs. Ricardo Almeida

Hopefully Ricky woke up from the Hughes choke

I think Kos is gonna try and shoot on GSP early in the fight. He may be the only one in the WW division that can get a couple of TD's on GSP. After he has little success with the TD, he'll get aggressive trying to KO GSP and then the mistakes will start coming into play. GSP is way faster than Kos and alot more technical on the feet. Kos still loves to head hunt with that overhand right.. GSP by TKO 4th RD or submission..

[dbreiden83080]

Pussy.

Just make your pick already.

Watch people change the pick if he weighs in like shit or good. Alves making weight compfortably and Alves drained are night and day..

[CubanSucks]

if GSP wins it will be by decision or late round sub. GTFO with that TKO talk db...fuck I hope I don't eat my own words

[dbreiden83080]

if GSP wins it will be by decision or late round sub. GTFO with that TKO talk db...fuck I hope I don't eat my own words

Why can't GSP TKO Kos?? He did Hughes twice and Penn

[Stringer_Bell]

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck
- This fight will end in stoppage, don't know when or how, but it will not go the distance.
Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan Struve
-I can't pick against the Dutchman while I'm staying in his country.
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira
- I appreciate Miller's work ethic, but Oliveira is on fire and seems much more dynamic. On the bright side, if Oli loses by UD at least he'll gain some good knowledge on working 3 rounds and wearing down the opponent.
Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig
- Cobra Kai for life.
Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard
- Something is wrong with Alves,I think. His head just isn't in the game and I think that even tho Howard is not as strong or big as Alves, he will work for a UD and get it.

[cornbread]

GSP
Struve
Jim Miller
Stevenson
Almeida

[lefty]

I'm not going this time

Fuck those fat fake tough douchebags who will be lining up in front of the Bell Center

[dbreiden83080]

Main card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Josh Koscheck

Sub or Late stoppage in this one. Kos talks a lot but how much has he really improved in the last 3 years? He's better but not this much better. Expect some Kos TD's to get him nowhere then he'll start head-hunting and get beat-down..

Heavyweight bout: Sean McCorkle vs. Stefan StruveLightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira

Struve is better than what he has shown..

Lightweight bout: Joe Stevenson vs. Mac Danzig

How is Danzig still in the UFC??

Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Charles Oliveira

Take the slight under-dog here..

Welterweight bout: Thiago Alves vs. John Howard

Alves weighed in fine.. So i got him by KO 2nd round..

[strosFan2]

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http://mmafans.net/pages/chat

[lefty]

Damn

60$ on PPV HD

I have better things to do...

[dbreiden83080]

Damn

60$ on PPV HD

I have better things to do...

is that what Direct TV charges these days? Cablevision is still 45 bucks and yeah if it goes any higher i'll be streaming 90% of them. UFC is on the verge of pricing their fan base right outta the product..

[lefty]

is that what Direct TV charges these days? Cablevision is still 45 bucks and yeah if it goes any higher i'll be streaming 90% of them. UFC is on the verge of pricing their fan base right outta the product..
Vidéotron, in Montreal.

There must be some quality streaming, but I think I'll wait for the highlights.

But yeah, Dana White has to be careful; he is clearly aware of UFC's popularity and is making as mush $$$$ as he can out of it

[ace3g]

the final 2 prelims will be shown at ufc.com

http://modulesorigin.ufc.com/live/?systemId=595e115b-bf6c-4485-b549-3d0356c653c3&playerContextId=4b58b2b8-2a5e-4fc5-b654-90083c1cf332

[ace3g]

dbreiden83080 you were spot on with the Alves / Howard fight, Alves was fresh the entire fight, never looked tired

[dbreiden83080]

I told ya.. It's all about the Alves weight cut..

[dbreiden83080]

dbreiden83080 you were spot on with the Alves / Howard fight, Alves was fresh the entire fight, never looked tired

Thanks

[dbreiden83080]

Fuck Joe Daddy

Terrible loss

[resistanze]

Awww sheeeeit

[resistanze]

Kos EATING those stiff jabs. God damn.

[ace3g]

yeah GSP just landed a superman punch to the eye a second ago

[angelbelow]

Kos' face lol

[ace3g]

GSP almost had the McKenzietine, but also almost got caught in a leg/ankle lock

[angelbelow]

Another decision for GSP?

[angelbelow]

Kos is obviously frustrated.. refusing the ice..

[ace3g]

5 rounds of GSP jabs

[Mr Dio]

:lol Somewhere Anthony Johnson is buying Karma a couple of shots for FUKIN' KoShit so badly! :toast

[resistanze]

Nasty ass eye. NASTY.

[Mr Dio]

IDK, I think koShit may be faking it again.... :rollin

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I have a question for all MMA fans and boxing fans alike.

Why the fuck or what the fuck is the reason that a boxer or mma'er would ever wear shorts that require them to put their hands down to their shorts and pull their shorts up like once every 3.4 seconds?

I used to get annoyed as fuck in boxing about this and after Koscheck got caught constantly with his hands down and his eye got bloaded beyond recognition I found myself asking this same old question.

I really want to know. Because I can't come up with any valid reason for a fighter to wear shorts that force their own hands to go down below waist level.

[dbreiden83080]

Another decision for GSP?

Yep and that will be the criticism he gets. When you are essentially the perfect fighter people gotta find something to rag on you about. I wish he had finished but i understand why he didn't let it rip late in the fight. You're up huge why risk getting caught with something stupid?? Good fight though. GSP at 85 needs to happen

[ace3g]

post fight press conference http://modules.ufc.com/live/

[dbreiden83080]

I was pacing like a motherfucker in my living room as the fight started, nervous as all shit. :lol

After round 2 i knew GSP had it in the bag unless Kos hit the hail mary..

[dbreiden83080]

4-1 on this card


I needed that

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

post fight press conference http://modules.ufc.com/live/

thanks for the link

[Cant_Be_Faded]

hey breiden

you're the resident expert
I'm not trolling or tryin to be a smart ass, I really want to know

Why the fuck would a man in a fight wear shorts that require him to put his hands down below his waist to pull them up so many times in a fight? Surely this is not an advantage?



BTW was obviously a finished fight after thirty seconds into round 2. Koscheck figured his best chance to win was by doing nothing, throwing minimal punches, and doing nothing.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I am completely nonplussed


i ask a simple question after a UFC twice, and noone comes close to attempting an answer

Guess I just suck that badly

[dbreiden83080]

hey breiden

you're the resident expert
I'm not trolling or tryin to be a smart ass, I really want to know

Why the fuck would a man in a fight wear shorts that require him to put his hands down below his waist to pull them up so many times in a fight? Surely this is not an advantage?



BTW was obviously a finished fight after thirty seconds into round 2. Koscheck figured his best chance to win was by doing nothing, throwing minimal punches, and doing nothing.

It's not an edge and i really have no answer for you other than the type of shorts he wears are part of a sponsorship deal he has with various companies or an odd personal choice.. But yes if they are not compfortable why wear them??

[dbreiden83080]

I am completely nonplussed


i ask a simple question after a UFC twice, and noone comes close to attempting an answer

Guess I just suck that badly

You don't suck at all. Good question with no real answer..

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

gsp's "strategy" and "goal" contradict each other

[dbreiden83080]

gsp's "strategy" and "goal" contradict each other

He basically beat the piss out of Kos standing for 25 min

So whatever..

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

anybody else watching this bull shit ?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It's something prevalent in boxing too. I have been watching boxing since I was a child and since Lennox Lewis killed my boxing interests I was out of the game. Then two years ago or so (since Brock arrived I guess) I'm full into MMA ppv

Not like fully but I want to see the fights.

This was the first time I ever saw the guy on Breiden's avatar, I recognized him instantly.

I just watch to watch, I analyze shit and take mental notes. I used to rent and re-watch every original UFC back in high school and collegeg so in that respect it's interesting to me....especially the way the game has changed.

Tonight what I saw was a completely outclassed fighter do jack shit after his eye got swollen up. Furthermore he fell victim to that short-pulling-up syndrome that is even pervasive in boxing. That shit doesn't necessarily spell doom...Pacquiao does it on the reg and still managed to deck the shit out of his opponent (which is why I pray to good Pacquiao wears shorts that don't require him to drop his hands when/if he faces that bitch ass black ass Mayweather).

And ironically most of this fight was pretty much a boxing bout. Koscheck was completely overwhelmed once that eye swelled up. It's as if he told himself mentally that he would be satisfied with just not submitting/getting knocked out.

In my eyes that makes him an even bigger pussy. He played to lose. Complete, bark-only, twat.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

He basically beat the piss out of Kos standing for 25 min

So whatever..

ty for that great analysis

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

It's something prevalent in boxing too. I have been watching boxing since I was a child and since Lennox Lewis killed my boxing interests I was out of the game. Then two years ago or so (since Brock arrived I guess) I'm full into MMA ppv

Not like fully but I want to see the fights.

This was the first time I ever saw the guy on Breiden's avatar, I recognized him instantly.

I just watch to watch, I analyze shit and take mental notes. I used to rent and re-watch every original UFC back in high school and collegeg so in that respect it's interesting to me....especially the way the game has changed.

Tonight what I saw was a completely outclassed fighter do jack shit after his eye got swollen up. Furthermore he fell victim to that short-pulling-up syndrome that is even pervasive in boxing. That shit doesn't necessarily spell doom...Pacquiao does it on the reg and still managed to deck the shit out of his opponent (which is why I pray to good Pacquiao wears shorts that don't require him to drop his hands when/if he faces that bitch ass black ass Mayweather).

And ironically most of this fight was pretty much a boxing bout. Koscheck was completely overwhelmed once that eye swelled up. It's as if he told himself mentally that he would be satisfied with just not submitting/getting knocked out.

In my eyes that makes him an even bigger pussy. He played to lose. Complete, bark-only, twat.

good stuff scrah
i didnt get to see it. had to read ufc chatroom
the loose shorts thing pisses me off too its like wtf bro

[Cant_Be_Faded]

How could people not notice it? My chick that I drag to these events to get fucked up with me noticed it this time before I did.


It has to be a definite disadvantage when you're constantly using your jab hand to lift your freakin shorts. I mean keep your hands up at all times. But people who have shorts problems like this don't do it.

It's not a definite doom, like I said. I have seen Manny Pacquiao do this numerous times and can't help but wonder how awesome the man would be if he did not have to bring one or both fists below waist-level to pull his shorts up while he's owning the opposition.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

3-2 this card, just need to hold my slim lead

[CubanSucks]

I'm real happy with all the results of the main card. I honestly didn't care about the GSP/Kos. Danzig needed this, Miller beat a Brazilian, and Struve shut Mckorkle's annoying mouth. Unfortunately, the WW division is hopeless now. Honestly, what the hell's next

[polandprzem]

Alves is such an overrated sack of shit.

[polandprzem]

Pulling shorts has nothing to do with the outcome. And it's not even distraction.
Anyway he was not pulling up his shorts. He was just checking if he still has balls in right position.


Nice card

Dolce diet and the jab


McCorkle is weak


Dustin lost again. I don't know where he goes from here.

Jim Miller can get a fight for a title shot next - he is vicious and he is full pack. Him and Sotiropoulos would give a great matchup even though Bocek wants Aussie next.
Gotta wait for the siver George outcome though.

I would like to see Alves vs Hardy, Swick or Condit :)

The problem is that Hardy lost 2 in a row, Swick is set to fight and Condit probably will face lytle

[angelbelow]

Yep and that will be the criticism he gets. When you are essentially the perfect fighter people gotta find something to rag on you about. I wish he had finished but i understand why he didn't let it rip late in the fight. You're up huge why risk getting caught with something stupid?? Good fight though. GSP at 85 needs to happen

Yea I agree, I expected nothing less from GSP.

[Stringer_Bell]

Jim Miller can get a fight for a title shot next - he is vicious and he is full pack. Him and Sotiropoulos would give a great matchup even though Bocek wants Aussie next.

Sotiropolous should get a contender's fight after the next win, that's 8 fights (most of them by finish). I'd love to see him against a top 2 WEC guy or Top 3 UFC (since I think he is #3). Bocek doesn't have shit for Sotir, nothing, and Miller needs to go derail someone else, not Sotir lol

GSP isn't finishing fights because he wants to take the soul out of the fighters he's beating up for 5 rounds. Alves sucked in the aftermath, Hardy was shit, now Kos gets the curse. This is all part of a Masonic ritual, do some research people!

[polandprzem]

What?
Underrating Jim Miller is you Stringer Bell :)

And you think that win against Siver will give him a title shot?

Jim is better IMO



As for GSP going up.

It will be really tough to fight Silva in his first bout at 185. Gaining quality mass takes a lot of time.
200lbs for GSp as he said will be what he wants but Silva is 220 ...

Huge difference

[Stringer_Bell]

What?
Underrating Jim Miller is you Stringer Bell :)

And you think that win against Siver will give him a title shot?

Jim is better IMO

Haha, I didn't mean to sound like I don't think Miller is great, he is and he works really hard - I just didn't want him getting in Sotir's path to a contender's fight. :lol

[BlairForceDejuan]

I fell asleep before the GSP fight, but that Jim Miller sub was sick.

[polandprzem]

:tu SB


Millers sub was sick?
What about Boceks sub against Hazelett?

[The TroutBum]

Fuck me, I needed to go 5 for 5... 2 for 5 isn't getting it done. Stupid Daddy, stupid McKorkle, stupid Alvez.

Dammit.

Good card though, there wasn't a single bad fight -- AND -- we all got to see a bad ass knee bar. I LOVE seeing rare sub's like that. Truly a beautiful thing to watch.

[desflood]

Kos broke his right orbital in the first round - or rather, GSP broke it.

http://i52.tinypic.com/t9eddu.jpg

Kos wasn't allowed to fly home with the injury, so his trainers drove him from Montreal down to Boston, where he is having surgery today or tomorrow.



I hate to say it, but Koscheck deserves credit for toughness here. You know that hurt like hell. The doctor gave him the chance for an easy out and he wouldn't take it.