UFC 121: Lesnar vs. Velasquez October 23, 2010

[dbreiden83080]

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Worth buying after the freebie we get this sat night. Main event is a huge test for Brock. Cain is more well rounded and will bring a massive pace to this fight unlike anything Brock has seen before..

Event Preview..

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Main card

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga



Preliminary card (Spike TV)

Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor


Preliminary card

Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel

[dbreiden83080]

Main card

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
The champ will need to weather an early storm from Cain, i expect fire-works the first round or 2. If Brock puts his weight on Cain in the clinch and wears him down, i like Brock to win this fight by TKO in round 2 or 3. When Bock gets on top, he is doing a lot of damage these days.. Cain will wanna strike only and KO Brock.. Trying to outwrestle Brock will take too much out of Cain, i expect him to be all about TDD. Brock must bust through it..

Welterweight bout:Jake Shieldsvs. Martin Kampmann

Shields equals wrestling and a decision here. Likely a title shot with GSP with this win..

Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
I'm picking Diego only because he is back at team-jackson. He looked horrible last fight. I really think this is Diego's UFC career here. He must win or may get cut..

Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill

A fan of both guys but Hammill is a bad match-up for Tito. Tito's whole career it is all about the wrestling. If he can't get the TD then what? Matt has better striking, it's not great but he hits hard. Bigger more powerful wrestler as well. Look for Tito to be on the chopping block with this loss..

Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga Schaubs mouth pissed me off smack talking Brock's camp so i am changing to Gonzaga here.. Gut Feeling too..

[Stringer_Bell]

Wow, can't believe this is only two weeks out considering we've been waiting since the Shane/Carwin fight...

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
- When Cain punches Brock, he punches with the heart and dreams of one million illegal immigrants!

Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
- The safest fighter in the game, who happens to have a ton of heart, will get the decision. Sheild's vs Fitch for contender elimination, or Sheilds for the belt next...unless the UFC wants to give him to Lytle. :hat

Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
- It's win or go home for Diego, and hopefully he has his focus and hunger back. Thiago just seems bored in the cage recently, not sure he wants to fight anymore. If Thiago wins, it's cuz he does what no one has done before - KO's Diego. :(

Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
- Tito is finished if he loses, no matter how it happens. He won't be worth his price tag and will probably make another injury excuse. He looked good in his first round against Forrest then didn't do shit, he probably would have been cut for that alone if not for the hoops Dana had to go through for him. Hamill by unanimous decision.

Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
- Schaub doesn't have the heavy hands to KO Gonzaga or the experience to get a decision, and he'll be in a lot of pain if it becomes a ground battle.

[ace3g]

my predictions

Main card

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor

Preliminary card

Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel

[polandprzem]

Main card

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
As much as i think Brock is the beast I still not gonna waste my prediction to go against Cain.
Beast or not Brock is not that versitile and cain can find the holes in Brocks game. Carwin for the last fight was bigger then Brock and acually too heavy. That's why Brock will be 270 powerhouse again to stay sharp. he must to be prepared to fight over 3 rounds and IMO if this fight gonna go over 3 rd Cain can finish Brock catching him with hands and then submitting.
would
love
I
happen
this

:D

Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Seems like Marting after stagnation did progress. But Shields hunger to fight GSP is bigger and wrestling once again will be the difference

Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Power on!
Tiago must to bounce back. If not I don't think he will ever be able to reach a level of title contention

Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
I agree - Tito is done. Archaic mma won't get it done. Might be a grind match though.


Preliminary card (Spike TV)

Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor
Get a grip Patrick

[CubanSucks]

I don't understand why people think Cain is more versatile than Brock

[polandprzem]

because he is?

[CubanSucks]

how

[The Reckoning]

dont listen to cubansucks, he likes to be cynical to reassure himself that he's "different" when deep inside he's the same as everyone else.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't pick anyone who's nickname is Prius errr Hybrid.

[CubanSucks]

dont listen to cubansucks, he likes to be cynical to reassure himself that he's "different" when deep inside he's the same as everyone else.

http://www.news.wisc.edu/story_images/0000/0361/snowflakes.jpg

[The Reckoning]

frosted flakes sucks


honeycombs is SO much better.

drop dead, tony lover.

[dbreiden83080]

because he is?

All he's got is better striking. Cain has shown zero JJ and no real great GNP either. Cain's fight against Kongo was a mess. The shots he hit Kongo with Brock would have knocked Kongo's head into the 4th row..

[CubanSucks]

frosted flakes sucks


honeycombs is SO much better.

drop dead, tony lover.

http://www.creebs.com/catalog/images/toast_crunch.jpg

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ftw

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[djohn14]

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez:kingPlease oh please oh please
Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann-Dont think Kampmann can stop him.
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago-Mmm idk...should be a good fight. Ill take Diego
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill -He should put Tito on his back and do just fine.
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga -I hate Schaub

[desflood]

frosted flakes sucks


honeycombs is SO much better.

drop dead, tony lover.


ftw
http://www.grubgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/cinnamontoastcrunch.jpg
You're both wrong. Lucky Charms beats all.



Main card

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
Welterweight bout: Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Preliminary card (Spike TV)

Middleweight bout: Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout: Patrick Côté vs. Tom Lawlor


Preliminary card

Welterweight bout: Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
Lightweight bout: Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
Middleweight bout: Chris Camozzi vs. Dong Yi Yang
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel


I have a hard time picking Hamill over Tito. My personal dislike for him aside, I have to agree with Stringer and poland that Ortiz's career is over. However, as shown in the Franklin fight, Matt doesn't like to fight people he considers, or at least once considered, friends - he just cannot separate his personal feelings from his professional life. That's going to hurt him mightily here. Tito is physically wrecked and Matt is mentally wrecked, neither will be able to do much of anything and it's going to make for a long, boring decision fight. Of course, I also at one point believed that Forrest Griffin had a chance against Anderson Silva and ate crow about that for weeks.

I'd like to pick Kampmann for his fight - he's very skilled for so young and is going to be really good one day - but not against Jake Shields. Still thinking about the rest.

[dbreiden83080]

Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez

Sportsbook.com Odds

•Lesnar (-155)
•Velasquez (+125)
Betus.com Odds

•Lesnar (-170)
•Velasquez (+140)
Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann

Sportsbook.com Odds

•Shields (-295)
•Kampmann (+235)
Betus.com Odds

•Shields (-280)
•Kampmann (+210)
Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill

Sportsbook.com Odds

•Ortiz (+130)
•Hamill (-160)
Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago

Sportsbook.com Odds

•Sanchez (-110)
•Thiago (-120)
Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Sportsbook.com Odds

•Schaub (+175)
•Gonzaga (-215)

[The TroutBum]

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez - probably the only time in my life that I will be cheering for Cock. I fucking HATE Velasquez.
Welterweight bout: Jake Shieldsvs. Martin Kampmann - At the end of the day, Shields is a Strikeforce queer and will lose.
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago - Finally in a good camp, Nightmare is going to shred Thiago.
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortizvs. Matt Hamill - lol Tito. Seriously, his name is Tito. Who would actually go by that name. Tito.
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Gonzaga is going to lose, but I can't pick Schaub. Such a tool.

[dbreiden83080]

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez - probably the only time in my life that I will be cheering for Cock. I fucking HATE Velasquez.
Welterweight bout: Jake Shieldsvs. Martin Kampmann - At the end of the day, Shields is a Strikeforce queer and will lose.
Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago - Finally in a good camp, Nightmare is going to shred Thiago.
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortizvs. Matt Hamill - lol Tito. Seriously, his name is Tito. Who would actually go by that name. Tito.
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Gonzaga is going to lose, but I can't pick Schaub. Such a tool.

I love it.. :lmao

[CubanSucks]

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez - probably the only time in my life that I will be cheering for Cock. I fucking HATE Velasquez.

:tu

[dbreiden83080]

I saw a preview on the countdown show on UFC.com Cain is ranting on about his "Mexican heritage and they need a Mexican champ so badly, i have to give that to them" What a tool.. Does this guy even have any white friends??

Brock said "After I whip your ass i am gonna drink a Corona and eat a Burito in honor of your Mexican Heritage".. :lmao

[polandprzem]

You not gonna laugh when Cain will smash Brock

[djohn14]

Brock said "After I whip your ass i am gonna drink a Corona and eat a Burito in honor of your Mexican Heritage".. :lmao

Haha thats great....Im still pulling for Cain though

[dbreiden83080]

You not gonna laugh when Cain will smash Brock

Hater..

This could go either way, i see a lot of people are picking Cain, just like they did Shane we'll see how it goes.

[polandprzem]

Shane did a fundamental mistake.
he got too heavy and his cardio was as it was, always at the same level.

I'm not a hater. I used to be. But now i just do not like Brock very much. respect him now though a bit.


want to see him lose and remove this smile from his face when he is repeating himself that he is the champ.
It's not pissing me off but I do not like the way he says it. [Although everything he says it's true]

[dbreiden83080]

Shane is a powerhouse though. Cain is not. Cain is more technical for sure and has a great gas tank his problem as i see it, will be he will have a hard time hurting Brock. His fight with Rothwell, he was landing as Ben was standing up. If Brock lands he is gonna hurt Cain way more than Cain hurts him.. Can he go 3 hard rounds or so with Brock and take some big shots

We'll see

[Stringer_Bell]

I saw a preview on the countdown show on UFC.com Cain is ranting on about his "Mexican heritage and they need a Mexican champ so badly, i have to give that to them" What a tool.. Does this guy even have any white friends??

Brock said "After I whip your ass i am gonna drink a Corona and eat a Burito in honor of your Mexican Heritage".. :lmao

http://www.ufc.com/media/121-FOD-US

Around the 4 minute mark, before it goes to the Kampmann/Sheilds fight.

That's taking it too far, Brock. I hope Cain whoops his ass even if I lose the prediction, don't give Brock the pleasure of enjoying a Corona or burrito, especially at the same time. Kick his ass, Sea Bass!

[dbreiden83080]

http://www.ufc.com/media/121-FOD-US

Around the 4 minute mark, before it goes to the Kampmann/Sheilds fight.

That's taking it too far, Brock. I hope Cain whoops his ass even if I lose the prediction, don't give Brock the pleasure of enjoying a Corona or burrito, especially at the same time. Kick his ass, Sea Bass!

Too far Stringer. Cain never shuts the hell up about being Mexican and Mexico. The guy has Brown Pride on his chest and throws up gang signs after he wins. He's as racist as it gets. Trout has his number..

Brock is just being Brock and he's funny as hell..

[polandprzem]

I'm polish and I'm from Poland
I do have a nickname polandprzem


Damn I'm a screwup

[dbreiden83080]

I'm polish and I'm from Poland
I do have a nickname polandprzem


Damn I'm a screwup

I'm Irish and Italian

I promise to get "White. Irish, Italian Pride" in tats on my chest and never get offended if someone offers to buy me a drink after the fight..

[BlairForceDejuan]

Brock looks ALPHA as hell with that beard.

[dbreiden83080]

I saw on the UFC 120 show that tickets were still available for this and went to ticketmaster to see. No wonder they want 500 bucks a ticket for the 200 section.. :lol I paid 110 for the 300 section at UFC 111 in Jersey..

WAAAAAY Over-priced..

[CubanSucks]

[URL]That's taking it too far, Brock. I hope Cain whoops his ass even if I lose the prediction, don't give Brock the pleasure of enjoying a Corona or burrito, especially at the same time. Kick his ass, Sea Bass!

:violin

[dbreiden83080]

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[dbreiden83080]

I have a hard time picking Hamill over Tito. My personal dislike for him aside, I have to agree with Stringer and poland that Ortiz's career is over. However, as shown in the Franklin fight, Matt doesn't like to fight people he considers, or at least once considered, friends - he just cannot separate his personal feelings from his professional life. That's going to hurt him mightily here. Tito is physically wrecked and Matt is mentally wrecked, neither will be able to do much of anything and it's going to make for a long, boring decision fight.

I actually think the fight with Rich will be a good thing for Matt here in that he learned his lesson that night and if he didn't think he could go full throttle this time with a friend or former friend he would have said no. Matt has had some inconsistant results and lets face it, if he ever wants to make some more money he needs to win more fights... He'll never be champ but he can be better than he's shown so far.. I think he'll fight very hard here and take a UD..

[Stringer_Bell]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/19/1762177/tito-ortiz-apologizes-to-the-deaf-community

Tito just the strangest shit when trying to hype fights, now he's apologizing (read the bottom of the article). Matt also touches on his mistake in the Franklin fight.

I bet there's a lot of money to be made on Cain winning, anyone thinks he tries to go the Frankie Edgar route and just prays he's faster?

[desflood]

"I had to get the mindset of our friendship out of the door when I learned who I was fighting. It's business. I don't want to make the same mistakes I did with Rich Franklin. In the cage, (Ortiz) will be my opponent – nothing else."
You may be right, db. It's great that he can see exactly where he went wrong, but that's a mental tick that would be hard to overcome. Hopefully it won't be too difficult for him.

[polandprzem]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/19/1762177/tito-ortiz-apologizes-to-the-deaf-community

Tito just the strangest shit when trying to hype fights, now he's apologizing (read the bottom of the article). Matt also touches on his mistake in the Franklin fight.

I bet there's a lot of money to be made on Cain winning, anyone thinks he tries to go the Frankie Edgar route and just prays he's faster?

he is faster

The thing is- can he keep the distance with hands and more important with legs - cause Lesnar shots are quick as hell.
he must to fight standing up as long as possible and he can win the decission - he does not have enough power to knock Lesnar out.

I would love this to be a 5 rounder and see how Brock will look in round numero 5 !

[polandprzem]

Yea and Tito with his _ I taught him everything he knows shit?

get out off my face man :D

[dbreiden83080]

You may be right, db. It's great that he can see exactly where he went wrong, but that's a mental tick that would be hard to overcome. Hopefully it won't be too difficult for him.

Yeah it's an interesting test for Matt. We'll see if he comes through. I am a Tito fan have been for years but it just feels like his time is officially over. Even i am getting sick of his talking about "Next step is getting my world title back" Tito it hasn't been your title since 2004. And even he has to know he is not really relevant in todays MMA, especially at 205 the deepest division in the sport..

[polandprzem]

in the UFC I would consider 170 the deepest

[CubanSucks]

I'm not too sure Cain in faster than Brock

[dbreiden83080]

Brendan Schaub offically suffers diarrhea of the mouth

On Brock and his camp..


http://www.ifight365.com/2010/10/ufc-heavyweight-brendan-schaub-calls-lesnar%E2%80%99s-camp-a-bunch-of-%E2%80%9Cmeatheads%E2%80%9D/



…What do they do, man? It’s all meatheads, right? So, you got all stud wrestlers. You know what they are is a modern-day Hammer House. You know what I’m saying? Like, they get together, it’s all these big dinosaurs pushing and wrestling each other around, and heaven forbid they should bring in a striker or bring in a guy to teach them to evolve their game. You know, they’re really not evolving. You can say Brock’s evolved with his jiu-jitsu because he submitted Carwin with a head-and-arm choke. It’s not like he armbarred the guy or did an ankle lock or something. They’re just not evolving, man, and I think the sport of mixed martial arts is more like guys like Georges St-Pierre, guys like Nate Marquardt or myself, who are well-rounded, they can do everything. When I’m in camp, I’m constantly training, trying to improve my game and get better at all aspects. Can’t say the same for those guys. You know, they go in there and they wrestle. And, you know, he’s doing well with it, but I think the sport needs to continue to grow, and I don’t think they help the sport grow.

[The TroutBum]

Hybrid...

[dbreiden83080]

Hybrid...

http://mmacrazed.com/images/uploads/brendan-schaub-ko.JPG

[CubanSucks]

Brendan Schaub offically suffers diarrhea of the mouth

On Brock and his camp..


http://www.ifight365.com/2010/10/ufc-heavyweight-brendan-schaub-calls-lesnar%E2%80%99s-camp-a-bunch-of-%E2%80%9Cmeatheads%E2%80%9D/



…What do they do, man? It’s all meatheads, right? So, you got all stud wrestlers. You know what they are is a modern-day Hammer House. You know what I’m saying? Like, they get together, it’s all these big dinosaurs pushing and wrestling each other around, and heaven forbid they should bring in a striker or bring in a guy to teach them to evolve their game. You know, they’re really not evolving. You can say Brock’s evolved with his jiu-jitsu because he submitted Carwin with a head-and-arm choke. It’s not like he armbarred the guy or did an ankle lock or something. They’re just not evolving, man, and I think the sport of mixed martial arts is more like guys like Georges St-Pierre, guys like Nate Marquardt or myself, who are well-rounded, they can do everything. When I’m in camp, I’m constantly training, trying to improve my game and get better at all aspects. Can’t say the same for those guys. You know, they go in there and they wrestle. And, you know, he’s doing well with it, but I think the sport needs to continue to grow, and I don’t think they help the sport grow.

:lmao

Where did all this come from? Maybe I should've clicked the link

[CubanSucks]

http://mmacrazed.com/images/uploads/brendan-schaub-ko.JPG

conserving his gas :wakeup

[dbreiden83080]

Not changing my pick but man all the experts seem to think Cain is gonna win. I bet the pro's picks from Sherdog are all Cain as well in a few days. Still a lot of Anti-Brock bias out there i think. That said this fight is very close and could go either way..

[Stringer_Bell]

Not changing my pick but man all the experts seem to think Cain is gonna win. I bet the pro's picks from Sherdog are all Cain as well in a few days. Still a lot of Anti-Brock bias out there i think. That said this fight is very close and could go either way..

Out of all of Brock's opponents so far, Cain is the most complete fighter (even better than JDS too). I think that's what is fueling the "expert" picks. But time after time Brock's size and mutant recovery time trumps anything people throw at him.

If it goes the distance, Cain wins for sure. But how the fuck do you keep the bull on the ropes for 25 minutes? Cain says he'll show us on fight night, but it's basically a 25 minute running of the bulls in a small cage. God bless him for wanting to make it a war. :king

[The TroutBum]

This thing is over in less than two minutes. Brock is gonna knock that stupid fuck Mexican unconscious.

[polandprzem]

Not changing my pick but man all the experts seem to think Cain is gonna win. I bet the pro's picks from Sherdog are all Cain as well in a few days. Still a lot of Anti-Brock bias out there i think. That said this fight is very close and could go either way..

Now it's very close?

[dbreiden83080]

Now it's very close?

I never disrespected Cain

Name one time I ever did??? Brock will win IMO but i never said it was a lock..


"Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
The champ will need to weather an early storm from Cain, i expect fire-works the first round or 2. If Brock puts his weight on Cain in the clinch and wears him down, i like Brock to win this fight by TKO in round 2 or 3. When Bock gets on top, he is doing a lot of damage these days.. Cain will wanna strike only and KO Brock.. Trying to outwrestle Brock will take too much out of Cain, i expect him to be all about TDD. Brock must bust through it.."

[polandprzem]

I never disrespected Cain

Name one time I ever did??? Brock will win IMO but i never said it was a lock..


"Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Cain Velasquez
The champ will need to weather an early storm from Cain, i expect fire-works the first round or 2. If Brock puts his weight on Cain in the clinch and wears him down, i like Brock to win this fight by TKO in round 2 or 3. When Bock gets on top, he is doing a lot of damage these days.. Cain will wanna strike only and KO Brock.. Trying to outwrestle Brock will take too much out of Cain, i expect him to be all about TDD. Brock must bust through it.."


Yea cool. It was not aimed towards you.
I wanted to edit the post but I had no time :toast

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Brock
Shields
Diego
Hamill
Gonzaga

[polandprzem]

when you do have a time change?

[dbreiden83080]

Weigh in Live 5ET


http://www.ufc.com/

[CubanSucks]

After watching the Lesnar/Carwin fight for the first time since it was live, I'm even more doubtful that Cain will even be able to bruise Lesnar. I think we can all agree Carwin is a better wrestler and WAY more powerful than Cain, but Carwin had Lesnar mounted and still couldn't put him away. Lesnar's forearms literally block his entire head when he puts them up. I don't care if Cain gets the kinda shot Anderson Silva got against James Irvin, he's not gonna KO Lesnar, and he's definitely not gonna out-wrestle him

[dbreiden83080]

Weigh In Results...

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Main card:

Brock Lesnar (264) vs. Cain Velasquez (244)
Jake Shields (170.5) vs. Martin Kampmann (170)
Tito Ortiz (206) vs. Matt Hamill (203.5)
Brendan Schaub (239) vs. Gabriel Gonzaga (254)
Diego Sanchez (170.5) vs. Paulo Thiago (170.5)

Spike TV broadcast:
Court McGee (184.5) vs. Ryan Jensen (185)
Patrick Cote (185) vs. Tom Lawlor (185)

Preliminary card:
Mike Guymon (170) vs. Daniel Roberts (170)
Sam Stout (155.5) vs. Paul Taylor (155)
Chris Camozzi (185) vs. Dongi Yang (186)
Jon Madsen (254.5) vs. Gilbert Yvel (249)

[polandprzem]

Brock looked as confident as ever and concentrated as well

cain looked concerned but he is not timid



Okay it's time to go to sleep

Tomorrow night the fight !

[ace3g]

The only way I ever see Lesnar losing a match is due to submission (Mir for example); He can take a punch and won't get out wrestled. Again his agility/speed for a 265 pound is way underrated. You can try to prepare for it in training but there is no sparring partner that is that big that can move like that.

Again I don't exactly like Lesnar, but there is no other Brock Lesnar out there to compete with him. You need a heavyweight like Fedor that is also a capable submission artist to challenge Brock.

Side note: Brock - 264 pounds; Cain - 244 pounds; everyone made weight at the weigh ins.

[dbreiden83080]

Brock looked as confident as ever and concentrated as well

cain looked concerned but he is not timid



Okay it's time to go to sleep

Tomorrow night the fight !

Brock did look very focused for this fight. He knows Cain is a real threat and people are doubting him going in..

Expect Fire-works tomorrow night..

[CubanSucks]

Brock needs to keep the beard. Makes up for some of the gayness of his haircut

[The TroutBum]

Fuck ya, go Court! He's a local guy here in Mormonville, and I've seen him around a few times. He actually stopped and had a decent conversation with my buddy, which I don't think a lot of famous guys would do.

[BlairForceDejuan]

Brock needs to keep the beard. Makes up for some of the gayness of his haircut

That beard is too epic. I am a little bit worried for Cain's safety now. I hope this fight goes at least 3 rounds so we can see more of Brock's development.

[dbreiden83080]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/573400/brockcain_medium.jpg

[Stringer_Bell]

I was hoping Brock would shave the beard, now the fight is basically two on one :(

Let's go Cain, strike the big gringo down with the force of the entire Hispanic nation!!!!

[dbreiden83080]

This fight is fiercely divided down the middle with opinions. Jordan Breen from Sherdog saw Cain in camp and thinks "Brock has no shot in hell at doing anything" Others from Brock's camp and those around him say "This is the best Brock so far, stronger and more explosive than ever" Betting odds are razor close on this one as well..

I really think Cain wants this to be BJ/Edgar. Stay outside and pick him apart, with an occasional shot. Brock is gonna look to cut Cain off and make him carry his weight.


This is all really exciting one day away from the fight..

[8FOR!3]

I lost a lot of respect for Cain when I heard about his diet or lack thereof. Terrible nutrition, he essentially eats what he wants. Nothing against the guy though, he's a legit contender and everybody that talks about him (including some top notch guys) speak like he's the Michael Jordan of martial arts, we'll find out.

[polandprzem]

I lost a lot of respect for Cain when I heard about his diet or lack thereof. Terrible nutrition, he essentially eats what he wants. Nothing against the guy though, he's a legit contender and everybody that talks about him (including some top notch guys) speak like he's the Michael Jordan of martial arts, we'll find out.

That made me concerned as well.
I think Brocks diet is cleaner.

Also gotdamn! Brocks looks in fuckin' phenomenal shape.


really I just hoping Cain got something well written for lesnar cause if not it's gonna be demolition.


Cain striking and TDD is the key

[The TroutBum]

I was hoping Brock would shave the beard, now the fight is basically two on one :(

Let's go Cain, strike the big gringo down with the force of the entire Hispanic nation!!!!

Ya, Brown Pride...

Fucking fascists.

http://feralboy.com/images/walter.jpg

[CubanSucks]

Ya, Brown Pride...

Fucking fascists.

http://feralboy.com/images/walter.jpg

Fucking Nihilist!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2r6lrKXAJvQ/SD1l8FBrKjI/AAAAAAAAAY4/X9hGgDjeN0o/s400/walter_sobchak.jpg

[desflood]

For some reason the closer it gets the more nervous I get about picking Shields over Kampmann.

[MannyIsGod]

Why is Prius talking at all? Thats just ridiculous

[dbreiden83080]

That made me concerned as well.
I think Brocks diet is cleaner.

Also gotdamn! Brocks looks in fuckin' phenomenal shape.


really I just hoping Cain got something well written for lesnar cause if not it's gonna be demolition.


Cain striking and TDD is the key

Yeah if Cain is the future as some say he is we are gonna find out tonight because Brock looks to be in the best shape of his career. His new diet has really cut him up and the ring rust will be gone having shaken it off with the Shane fight in July.. This could be one hell of a fight..

[dbreiden83080]

Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga


Schaubs mouth pissed me off shit talking Brock's camp so i am changing to Gonzaga here.. Gut Feeling too..

[Stringer_Bell]

In honor of this awesome promo, I'm siding with my Latino brother regardless of the implications it has for my predictions...

6Ue4IbnSzdM

Brock, you just fucked with the wrong Mexican!:sombrero:

[dbreiden83080]

In honor of this awesome promo, I'm siding with my Latino brother regardless of the implications it has for my predictions...

6Ue4IbnSzdM

Brock, you just fucked with the wrong Mexican!:sombrero:

So you're picking Cain now..

[Stringer_Bell]

So you're picking Cain now..

It's not my fault my fighter opinion is easily swayed by excellently cut promos and ethnic pride. I was always going to cheer for him, but it took until fight night for me to realize I was wrong to pick against him. Dave Camarillo is not going to let Brock nap on top of Cain like he does everyone else. :downspin::downspin::downspin:

[dbreiden83080]

It's not my fault my fighter opinion is easily swayed by excellently cut promos and ethnic pride. I was always going to cheer for him, but it took until fight night for me to realize I was wrong to pick against him. Dave Camarillo is not going to let Brock nap on top of Cain like he does everyone else. :downspin::downspin::downspin:

Hey no judging from me.. I changed from Brendan to Gonzaga because Brendan acted like a douche a few days ago

He runs his mouth too much..

[CubanSucks]

Friends coming over with the alcohol. 1 more hour and the shit's going down. Next time I'll be posting will probably have plenty of misspellings and jumbled words. I'll see yall on the other side


GO BROCK!!! ANGLO PRIDE MOTHERFUCKERS

[dbreiden83080]

Friends coming over with the alcohol. 1 more hour and the shit's going down. Next time I'll be posting will probably have plenty of misspellings and jumbled words. I'll see yall on the other side


GO BROCK!!! ANGLO PRIDE MOTHERFUCKERS

Just me tonight. Ordering the PPV and will bite the 45 dollar bullet..

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I may go to a bar to watch this shiznit.

Go brock!!!!

[MannyIsGod]

Friends coming over with the alcohol. 1 more hour and the shit's going down. Next time I'll be posting will probably have plenty of misspellings and jumbled words. I'll see yall on the other side


GO BROCK!!! ANGLO PRIDE MOTHERFUCKERS

:lmao

Gotta root for my fellow Mexican American in there tonight but god damn I just feel the white man will knock his ass down. Gotta Fankie Edgar this shit.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Hey guys how long should this event last?

What time should the final fight begin more or less? Need a response quick, thanks.

[dbreiden83080]

Hey guys how long should this event last?

What time should the final fight begin more or less? Need a response quick, thanks.

I''m in NY main event around 12:15 i'd say maybe a little earlier..

Over at 1 AM... ET

[MannyIsGod]

Court McGee motherfuckers. Damn, that was nice.

I was worried at the start he wasn't as good as we'd seen in TUF but he just got stronger and stronger as it went on.

[ace3g]

hell yeah both Lawlor and Court won!!!!

[BlairForceDejuan]

Good fights on Spike this card.

[MannyIsGod]

Hey if you're doing that chat again hit me up with a link and I'll jump in from time to time. I'm watching and doing chem shit but this card is too damn good to not watch most of it.

CBF, you should just go watch the whole card. Its a good one.

[MannyIsGod]

Good fights on Spike this card.

Yeah, the free shit was good tonight but the real card is dope too.

[ace3g]

http://mmafans.net/pages/chat/

chat link

[BlairForceDejuan]

Yeah, the free shit was good tonight but the real card is dope too.

Hell yeah. This is a stacked card.

[MannyIsGod]

Cain was on the first card I watched. A big reason I became a fan. Love this dude. I really like Brock too but I love Cain. Gooooooooooooo Cain.

[dbreiden83080]

What's funny about Brock and Cain is it's one of the hardest fights ever to pick and yet i think one guy is gonna come out and dominate the other..

I really don't see a war.. Hopefully we get one though..

[MannyIsGod]

You really don't see a war? Man, I want to see what Brock is like in the Championship Rounds.

[BlairForceDejuan]

What's funny about Brock and Cain is it's one of the hardest fights ever to pick and yet i think one guy is gonna come out and dominate the other..

I really don't see a war.. Hopefully we get one though..

That's what makes it so great. This fight cannot really flop unless of a b.s. stoppage or some freak occurrence.

If Brock dominates, it's another viewing of his growing skills as he tries to make the most of a late-starting career.

If Cain dominates, it's crazy impressive for Cain just because of the physical freak that Brock is.

[tlongII]

I actually ordered the PPV for this one. Sitting down and enjoying it now! :)

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Anyone got a link to watch this stuff online

[tlongII]

So far this has been boring.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

sorry was that against the rules

[MannyIsGod]

atdhe.com cbf

[tlongII]

You should be able to find a stream by Googling it.

[BlairForceDejuan]

Tito :sleep

[resistanze]

Last couple of minutes of Tito's career right here.

[MannyIsGod]

Peace out Tito.

[tlongII]

Tito's washed up. That was a shitty fight.

[MannyIsGod]

Did Tito even try a take down? I mean wtf Tito isn't going to win a fight on his feet.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

atdhe.com cbf

There are no viruses with those plugins they want you to download?

[BlairForceDejuan]

Gone are the days of Digging the Graves mid-octagon. :depressed

[resistanze]

There are no viruses with those plugins they want you to download?

Heck no.

[dbreiden83080]

I knew i should not have changed the Gonzaga pick

Tito is done, Matt dominated him in rds 2 and 3. He may get cut by the UFC..

[dbreiden83080]

Diego maybe fighting for his UFC career here

Lets go..

[MannyIsGod]

I think Diego wins.

[MannyIsGod]

Only because I never bet against Greg Jackson.

[tlongII]

Much more entertaining fight. Hopefully we see a good 3rd round.

[MannyIsGod]

Great round. Taht shit Tiago did to get off the bottom was great then Diego just slammed his ass back down. Awesome.

[MannyIsGod]

Greg Jackson has got some crazy shit in his water.

[tlongII]

Diego looked good. Good fight.

[dbreiden83080]

About time Diego.. We haven't since this in a long ass time..

[Trill Clinton]

Diego is kickin ass

[dbreiden83080]

Stringer-Bell is happy..

[MannyIsGod]

30-26? Who the fuck scored that??? LOL

[MannyIsGod]

Well I guess if you give Rnd 1 to Diego and then score the 3rd round 10-8 that makes sense but just seems wonky.

[MannyIsGod]

Fight of the night so far

[MannyIsGod]

Brb in 20 minutes after this coming snoozefest.

[dbreiden83080]

Brb in 20 minutes after this coming snoozefest.

If Kampman has anything for Shields it should be good

IF......

[tlongII]

How long has McCarthy been back in the UFC reffing?

[MannyIsGod]

Co main event my ass

[tlongII]

I'm starting to suffer from buyer's remorse. I hope the Lesnar fight is good.

[resistanze]

LMAO Jake Shields

[BlairForceDejuan]

wtf is kamps doing

Shields is toast. Take it back up to striking.

[resistanze]

Terrible.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I thought he looked turrbull. Kampann is stupid though. He gave the fight away and seemed fucking obsessed with getting that choke.

[BlairForceDejuan]

Brock looks like he could wrestle a grizzly bear.

[MannyIsGod]

Brock looks LIKE a grizzly.

[BlairForceDejuan]

lololl UFC is showing the Mexican angle down our throats non-stop. They are surpassing David Stern levels for trying to expand the game globally. :lol

It beats Bisping nuthugging all day every day though!

[MannyIsGod]

Brock just looks fucking bad ass.

[BlairForceDejuan]

Shoving the cop aside holy shitttt! haha

[resistanze]

That nigga is SCARY.

[resistanze]

Damn!!!

[BlairForceDejuan]

wow ladies and gentlemen

[resistanze]

Got damn Cain!

[tlongII]

Wow! Velasquez kicked his ass!

[dbreiden83080]

Fuck Brock got destroyed

Not even close..

[djohn14]

I called Cain before he ever came to the UFC....Jon Jones too. I am a legit scout lol

[jag]

wow

[ace3g]

2 things I was worried about: Brock's agility at 265; and whether Cain could handle Brock's wrestling takedown with balance. He did just that so I don't mind being wrong with that pick.

[MannyIsGod]

God. Damn.

[TinTin]

Man this guy has some mexican pride

[jag]

Brock needs to get with a real camp

[djohn14]

Im all for a guy supporting his race but Cain does it a little much lol. Still love the guy though.

[MannyIsGod]

That cut is fucking nasty!

[dbreiden83080]

Cain was waaaay stronger than i thought he would be

Great fight for Cain..

Brock not sure what's next for him..

[BlairForceDejuan]

Brock threw a flying knee lololol

[BlackSwordsMan]

cut brock!

[dbreiden83080]

Brock needs to get with a real camp

His camp is fine

He just got beat

[BlackSwordsMan]

brock always had shitty stand up though kinda knew he was fucked when he couldn't take down cain

[J.T.]

lesnar got reg-u-lated

damn

[MannyIsGod]

Fucking love Cain. Did not expect that, though. Guess he really is the best mfer out there. Awesome.

[jag]

Brock threw a flying knee lololol

He's an athletic freak.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao Yeah the brock flying knee was classic.

[resistanze]

I don't what's so threatening about Cain's repping of Mexican heritage. All I care is that he's a god damn beast in the Octagon.

[Mr Dio]

Still gonna have that burrito & Corona Brock? :lol

[jag]

His camp is fine

He just got beat

I don't even like Greg Jackson...but tell me Jackson, ATT or AKA couldnt come up with better gameplans than that?

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah man, Cain is the shit. I can't say I really believed because I really thought Brock had this but god damn I'm happy he won.

My guess is we'll see a rematch.

[MannyIsGod]

Nooooooooooooooo don't send Brock to Jackson.

[dbreiden83080]

Brock's plan was to push the pace and try to get Cain outta there early and had some success with 2 TD's but Cain was right back up. Cain caught Brock with a couple mean one's as he was going for TD's and that was the beginning of the end

[jag]

Nooooooooooooooo don't send Brock to Jackson.

hahaha he'd become the most boring and uninteresting fighter at HW. But he'd win.

[jag]

Brock's plan was to push the pace and try to get Cain outta there early and had some success with 2 TD's but Cain was right back up. Cain caught Brock with a couple mean one's as he was going for TD's and that was the beginning of the end

I don't even like Greg Jackson...but tell me Jackson, ATT or AKA couldnt come up with better gameplans than that?

[dbreiden83080]

I don't even like Greg Jackson...but tell me Jackson, ATT or AKA couldnt come up with better gameplans than that?

His plan was to push the pace on a guy with amazing conditioning. Brock was winning the fight 2 min in, he got caught with some hard shots and never really recovered..

Cain just fought better

[dbreiden83080]

I don't even like Greg Jackson...but tell me Jackson, ATT or AKA couldnt come up with better gameplans than that?

Game-plan was working until he got clipped..

[MannyIsGod]

As fucked up as it is, Brock is still raw. I"m not sure who else I want to see fight so you might as well line them up for the rematch. That might not be the best thing for Brock though. If he gets his ass beat right away again he loses a lot of his appeal.

Brock / Dos Santos or does Junior get the title shot?

[jag]

His plan was to push the pace on a guy with amazing conditioning. Brock was winning the fight 2 min in, he got caught with some hard shots and never really recovered..

Cain just fought better

Ya, i saw the fight. I think with a camp like Jackson's he might have been more prepared for a better, or even similar gameplan.

[MannyIsGod]

Brock Roy Nelson would be kinda funny

[dbreiden83080]

brock always had shitty stand up though kinda knew he was fucked when he couldn't take down cain

His stand-up was okay in the exchanges he got kneed really hard when going for a TD and then he was in trouble.. In spite of this Brock still will kill 90% of the HW division..

And he was a good champ

[BlairForceDejuan]

I don't think the outcome would be any different in a re-match :(

Even if he came out under control, his stand-up still blows compared to Cain's.

[dbreiden83080]

Rogan said Brock was tired he wasn't gassed he just got rocked and never recovered..

[ace3g]

Dos Santos vs Cain is next

[dbreiden83080]

I don't think the outcome would be any different in a re-match :(

Yeah Cain is only 28 and Brock is 33. Brock can get better and he will but so will Cain..

[dbreiden83080]

Dos Santos vs Cain is next

Cain should own that with wrestling. JDS will kill him on the feet. Cain will win with wrestling..

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think the outcome would be any different in a re-match :(

Even if he came out under control, his stand-up still blows compared to Cain's.

But his stand up blows compared to Carwin too and we saw what happened there. The difference was that Cain was able to finish him.

I'm guessing you have to do Dos Santos Cain next. Brock probably fights the winner of Carwin Nelson. I really think that Dana won't want to have him fight Cain right away again.

[dbreiden83080]

A MMA writer said if Brock lost Brock/Mir 3 was likely

So we'll see..

[MannyIsGod]

I really have no interest in Brock/Mir 3. I mean I kinda do, but Mir will get rolled. I'd rather see Carwin Brock again but we'd have to wait to see Carwin kill Nelson.

[dbreiden83080]

But his stand up blows compared to Carwin too and we saw what happened there. The difference was that Cain was able to finish him.

I'm guessing you have to do Dos Santos Cain next. Brock probably fights the winner of Carwin Nelson. I really think that Dana won't want to have him fight Cain right away again.

No Brock has to win i say 2 fights to get a title shot again. Not sure against who

[dbreiden83080]

I really have no interest in Brock/Mir 3. I mean I kinda do, but Mir will get rolled. I'd rather see Carwin Brock again but we'd have to wait to see Carwin kill Nelson.

I bet the UFC gives Brock someone he can handle. He is still a draw and they don't wanna get him on a losing streak..

[polandprzem]

FUN TASTIC !!!


Made my 24 hours of no sleep !


Cain demolished Brock and was great in avoiding straight on shots from Brock.

Brock did not improve his striking much. Good.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah thats my feeling too. They'll want to make sure he wins. I guess he gets to smash Frank Mir again.

[dbreiden83080]

Brock really had success early but when Cain caught him with that knee

BAM!! he was done..

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Saw the final two fights.

I think UFC did a pretty crappy job showing replays of the main fight.

I'm still confused as to what got Brock so shaken up and wobbly in the first place....It was like one second he was springing up, ready for action, the next second he's wobbling around and can't stand up.

Was he just genuinely off balance and then got popped when he was wobbling and that started it?

[dbreiden83080]

MMA man. There are so many bad-asses in the sport today it is easy to say

Cain will rule for a long time


but who knows?? This sport just keeps growing with great fighters..

[dbreiden83080]

Saw the final two fights.

I think UFC did a pretty crappy job showing replays of the main fight.

I'm still confused as to what got Brock so shaken up and wobbly in the first place....It was like one second he was springing up, ready for action, the next second he's wobbling around and can't stand up.

Was he just genuinely off balance and then got popped when he was wobbling and that started it?

He got hit with a knee going for a TD and then when he got taken down he took more damage.. Cain basically blitzed him once he had Brock hurt and just put him away..

[phyzik]

Brock got FUCKED UP!!! :lol

That cut looked fucking nasty on his cheek!!!

[scottspurs]

Viva la Mexico!

[dbreiden83080]

Just rewatched it.. I'm wrong Brock got with a short left hook going for a TD and then Cain came in with that big knee and that was really the end..

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He got hit with a knee going for a TD and then when he got taken down he took more damage.. Cain basically blitzed him once he had Brock hurt and just put him away..

Remember when Brock first stumbled across the length of the octagon twirling and twisting and shit?

It was a knee on the previous takedown that made him so freaking dizzy?

I kept waiting for a good replay of what shook up Brock so much and only got the ass beating while he was already in defense mode.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

That cut on Brock's face looked like a huge gaping canyon vagina

The fight would have had to be stopped even if he had survived that first round, right? That thing would have been pouring blood the whole fight.

[Stringer_Bell]

Stringer-Bell is happy..

YES!!!!!!!

I like to think that was more focused, ruthless Diego being Diego than Jackson's strategy for Thiago (at least for this fight). No doubt, Jackson stressed the importance of smart pacing and not expending all his energy on failed takedowns. His striking still needs work to set up takedowns, but at LW once he gets that down he will be a contdender again and continue to put on great performances. Thiago is a TOUGH dude, fight of the night IMO. :king

Goodbye, Tito! I always get emotional when Hamill gets emotional. :(

Kampmann snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Sheilds DOES NOT deserve a title shot, GSP would rape him. If Sheilds wants to roll around on the floor (which is his ONLY weapon), he needs to go through Fitch first.

So much for the "Frankie Velasquez" strategy. Cain showed no fear and tore down a beast tonight. He is MUCH stronger than I ever gave him credit for. JDS better pray to Ed Soares's voodoo dolls for help cuz Cain will wreck him. Brock will fight the winner of the Carwin/Nelson fight or Mir, anything else (including Nogueira) would be a waste.

Good job, Madsen!

[desflood]

As my old man said, "That's why the Vikings never conquered Mexico."

[BRHornet45]

sons no surprise. they FINALLY put Lesnar up against a NON-WHITE opponent and look what happened. there is absolutely nothing impressive about white boys beating up on white boys. put them up against blacks or mexicans and 9 times out of 10 the white boys will go down with ease. the same thing happened with Chuck Liddell. everyone was hugging his nuts in the UFC (and ignored his PRIDE beat down he received from Rampage years before) ... then they put him back up against Rampage again in the UFC and he got completely dominated. Lesnar has been overrated from day 1 for financial reasons. white fighters are more marketable to the mainstream public so the UFC does everything they can to protect them.

[dbreiden83080]

sons no surprise. they FINALLY put Lesnar up against a NON-WHITE opponent and look what happened. there is absolutely nothing impressive about white boys beating up on white boys. put them up against blacks or mexicans and 9 times out of 10 the white boys will go down with ease. the same thing happened with Chuck Liddell. everyone was hugging his nuts in the UFC (and ignored his PRIDE beat down he received from Rampage years before) ... then they put him back up against Rampage again in the UFC and he got completely dominated. Lesnar has been overrated from day 1 for financial reasons. white fighters are more marketable to the mainstream public so the UFC does everything they can to protect them.

My man Brock still destroys 90% of this division. White and Black guys..

[BRHornet45]

My man Brock still destroys 90% of this division. White and Black guys..

son that's only because the UFC is dominated by under achieving white boys lol .... most black fighters go towards boxing. if there was legit money in the UFC, then you would see more black fighters dominating the sport. however the funny thing is that although there are far more whites in the UFC than blacks, the blacks still easily hold their own and arguably dominate it. just imagine there were just as many black fighters in the UFC as whites?

[angelbelow]

http://i54.tinypic.com/k2fjhe.gif

[dbreiden83080]

son that's only because the UFC is dominated by under achieving white boys lol .... most black fighters go towards boxing. if there was legit money in the UFC, then you would see more black fighters dominating the sport. however the funny thing is that although there are far more whites in the UFC than blacks, the blacks still easily hold their own and arguably dominate it. just imagine there were just as many black fighters in the UFC as whites?

LMFAO. What black guys dominate boxing, all the champs are from Europe and are as white as snow you idiot...

http://twicbs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/klitschkowlad.jpg

Unless you count that british pussy David Haye and Floyd i'm too scared to fight Manny Pacquio..


Mexico and the US used to dominate boxing now it is mostly Europe and blacks are going MMA. MMA is the reason boxing is dying in the US.. It is thriving on other countries but dying here..

[dbreiden83080]

As far as you saying there is no money in the UFC. A recent article i read stated that with sponsors and bonuses Brock makes about 5 mil a fight..

[CubanSucks]

without reading the rest of the posts i'm telling you Shane Carwin dominates Cain and Dos Santos

[BRHornet45]

lol Brock is a rare situation in the UFC ... even so, only $5M per fight? .... shit Floyd May was making over $20M per fight. MOST guys in the UFC make about $10,000-$20,000 per fight while douche bags like Dana White make millions. don't be mad about the truth.

[dbreiden83080]

lol Brock is a rare situation in the UFC ... even so, only $5M per fight? .... shit Floyd May was making over $20M per fight. don't be mad about the truth.

Yeah and everyone else in boxing mid level or lower makes nothing. Marvin Hagler used to fight on undercards for 15 K a fight before he made it big. What you think i don't know boxing buddy?? I'm a fight fan period.. There is no money in boxing unless you are a star, same can go for the UFC.. And with the sport getting less and less popular in the US the 20 mil pay-days will be extinct in the next few years. People have been begging for Manny and Floyd for years and we may never see it or see it when they both suck and it won't matter.. That's why boxing blows these days, the best rarely get together and fuckin fight..

In the UFC Brock was Champ, Cain was 1 contender

BAM fight gets made..

[dbreiden83080]

lol Brock is a rare situation in the UFC ... even so, only $5M per fight? .... shit Floyd May was making over $20M per fight. MOST guys in the UFC make about $10,000-$20,000 per fight while douche bags like Dana White make millions. don't be mad about the truth.

Most guys in boxing make the same.. You had guys on Season One of the Contender who were 20-0 and cleaning toilets and fixing cars for a living...

[Stringer_Bell]

The UFC might not have the best contracts, but those bonuses go a long way toward 1) exposing fighters to sponsorships where the real money is made 2) sometimes being double what the fighter would make even with win bonus.

You've gotta pay trainers, gym, and other fees...but when you're young and working your way up the ladder, a 16+16 contract doesn't seem too bad when you add in all the bonuses and fight 3 times a year. If you have the heart to fight, I think it can be comfortable until you get to Contender status (usually after 5-6 fights, 2 years). Contenders are REAL in the UFC, and most of the time good match-ups are made. There's no title match dodging for the champs.

[dbreiden83080]

BTW this fight tonight also confirms what i have been saying forever about Fedor in that he has been fighting basically bums for years. Cain is far and away superior to anyone Fedor has fought since Pride went under. Hell he's probably the best fighter he'd ever fight.. It's one of the great tragedies in MMA history that Fedor never made the jump to the UFC to fight the best of the new breed. It really is pathetic..

[Stringer_Bell]

Shit just got real...

zjHtxPew5Os

UFC 127: Hell in a Cage

[mystargtr34]

Shit just got real...

zjHtxPew5Os

UFC 127: Hell in a Cage

Lol damn.... never knew about any history between those two.

[hehateme]

lol "You wanna do it?" Cheesy pick up line..

Pretty sure Brock would have broke that toothpick underfaker in two...

[lebomb]

The truth is.................there is a HUGE gap between a true MMA athlete like Cain and Brock Lesnar. Brock has won every fight on pure strength, but he got exposed big time by a real MMA person. I bet guys are lining up now to fight Brock.......they know how to beat him now. Kind of like when Buster beat up on Mike Tyson. He was exposed and everyone wanted a piece of Mike. Blam..........down went his career.

[Ashy Larry]

I never seen so many happy people leave the Honda Center in all my life ......

[BlackSwordsMan]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/kuemmet/aaaa.jpg

[BlackSwordsMan]

http://i54.tinypic.com/256g0o4.gif

[BlairForceDejuan]

sons no surprise. they FINALLY put Lesnar up against a NON-WHITE opponent and look what happened. there is absolutely nothing impressive about white boys beating up on white boys. put them up against blacks or mexicans and 9 times out of 10 the white boys will go down with ease. the same thing happened with Chuck Liddell. everyone was hugging his nuts in the UFC (and ignored his PRIDE beat down he received from Rampage years before) ... then they put him back up against Rampage again in the UFC and he got completely dominated. Lesnar has been overrated from day 1 for financial reasons. white fighters are more marketable to the mainstream public so the UFC does everything they can to protect them.

lol you're my boy blue but c'mon.

Brock is marketed because he is a physical phenom. He is a man in a silverback guerrilla body. We will probably never again see a man that big that can move that fast. He also has the college wrestling background and can be used to pull in more of the fake-tighties wwe crowd.

He got tore up by Cain because he started mma training too damn late and is still pretty raw.

[BlairForceDejuan]

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hahahahhahahaha

[Creepn]

He got tore up by Cain because he started mma training too damn late and is still pretty raw.


I'll have to agree with this. What if the man had more years of mma training? .....Damn

[tlongII]

The thing that's clear to me is that Brock has a suspect chin.

[dbreiden83080]

The truth is.................there is a HUGE gap between a true MMA athlete like Cain and Brock Lesnar. Brock has won every fight on pure strength, but he got exposed big time by a real MMA person. I bet guys are lining up now to fight Brock.......they know how to beat him now. Kind of like when Buster beat up on Mike Tyson. He was exposed and everyone wanted a piece of Mike. Blam..........down went his career.

Brock will be back. MMA is so damn well rounded today it is almost impossible to get on a roll and stay on a roll. The HW is really good now, Brock's arrival helped to get it off the ground.

[dbreiden83080]

Tito getting cut as expected..

White also told ESPN, “I think we know what happens when you lose four in a row in the UFC. This is the big leagues, man.”

[dbreiden83080]

What’s next for Velasquez, Lesnar?


http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/lesnar-vs-mir-iii-1402505/
ANAHEIM, Calif. – Cain Velasquez answered all of the questions from the fighting community about whether he was really as good as his reputation, dominating Brock Lesnar to win the UFC heavyweight title on Saturday night.

But he has a new set of obstacles to overcome, with his next title defense scheduled against Junior Dos Santos (12-1).


Cain Velasquez (top) "was better than me tonight," Brock Lesnar said about his UFC 121 opponent.

Where Lesnar (5-2) goes from here is a bigger question. The former champion didn’t appear at the postfight news conference at the Honda Center. UFC president Dana White said that Lesnar, a larger-than-life character, told him he didn’t want to steal the spotlight from Velasquez. In the cage after the fight, Lesnar indicated he plans on returning.

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Javier Mendez, Velasquez’s trainer, believes the two will meet again.

“The thing is, Brock is really green as a fighter,” said Mendez. “He’s an incredible athlete. Cain is ahead of him right now, but Brock has so much athleticism and so much room for improvement and when we see him the next time, he’ll be a lot better. Cain also has to keep improving.”

“I expected nothing less from him; he’s a great fighter. Congratulations, Cain,” Lesnar said after the fight ended. “I had a good training camp. What can I say? He was better than me tonight.”

UFC president Dana White said he ultimately expects Lesnar to return.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I personally think the competitive side of him is going to come out. Hunting may not be as much of a priority as if he won the fight. That’s what I think.”

UFC officials, as well as those close to Lesnar, indicated that Frank Mir, with whom Lesnar has split two fights, is his next likely opponent. The fight makes sense. Mir is coming off a knockout win over Mirko Filipovic on Sept. 25, and he has been Lesnar’s biggest career rival, with insults between the two going back and forth dating back nearly three years.

Lesnar vs. Mir III is almost guaranteed to be a huge fight, given that Mir is an expert of hyping a fight, but also, legitimately, Mir doesn’t like Lesnar, feeling Lesnar disrespected him after beating him at UFC 100. The match would likely be as big or bigger than any championship match that UFC could promote right now.

Their first match was a huge success on pay-per-view. Their second, which Lesnar won via second round TKO, was at the time the biggest match in mixed martial arts history, going by public interest.

The winner of that fight would be right back in championship contention.

The reality is that Lesnar got this far so quickly due to his combination of overpowering size, strength and ridiculous quickness for his size, which made up for his lack of experience. Velasquez, 20 pounds lighter than Lesnar, couldn’t stop Lesnar’s takedown. But both times Velasquez was off his feet, he popped up immediately. When the two were standing, Lesnar couldn’t match the hand speed of Velasquez, or the poise of staying composed while in a slugfest. That left Lesnar off-balance, and once Velasquez took him down, he never fully recovered.

White expects that the next heavyweight title fight would be sooner with Velasquez than it would have been if Lesnar won. He wouldn’t give a time frame, saying it was up to Velasquez, who improved to 9-0 and kept up his string of having never lost a round during his career.

“It wasn’t a hard training camp, but it was a long training camp,” said Velasquez. “I’d like to give some attention to my family, hang out with them for a little while.”

Velasquez deflected any questions of when he would be ready to fight again to his trainers. Mendez said that he’d give Velasquez one or two weeks off to celebrate his win, but he wanted him back in the gym because Dos Santos is a completely different fighter and poses different problems.

But Mendez indicated that Velasquez would be ready whenever the UFC called, and he indicated the spring would be no problem. UFC has major main events filled through February, so the March or April period would fit well.

“I’m fine, just bruises here and there,” Velasquez said. “I feel good.”

“The one thing we have to realize going in is that Dos Santos has better boxing than Cain,” said Mendez. “I think he’s got the best boxing in the heavyweight division. He also has good takedown defense, and he’s strong on the ground. Cain has the better wrestling and the better kicking.”

“We’ll definitely have to have a different game plan for him,” said Velasquez. “He’s a great boxer. He’s got great takedown defense. He poses a real threat. We have to watch a lot of film and prepare.”

Among the fighters under UFC contract, the other two key contenders right now would be Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson, who meet on Jan. 1 in Las Vegas.

Carwin vs. Velasquez would be another battle of power vs. speed and technique. Carwin has the best one-punch knockout power in the sport, but based on their respective performances against Lesnar, it would appear Velasquez has more weapons at his disposal.

Nelson has unique marketability based on his rotund physique, which makes him endearing to the public. He would create interest in a title fight. He’s got far more jiu-jitsu experience than Velasquez, but Nelson’s other strengths, his wrestling and boxing, are areas in which Velasquez is better. And Velasquez is younger, faster and has a major conditioning edge as well.

“He’s not going to get the big head,” said Mendez. “He wants to be an all-time great in the sport and winning the title is just the first step. You don’t become an all-time great with one big win.” The fight was heavily hyped around the idea that Velasquez had the chance to become the first Mexican world heavyweight champion in the history of combat sports.

The UFC has, up to this point, never fully broken through with the Latino audience that has carried boxing in the U.S. for the past decade. That put a lot of pressure on Velasquez, 28, who has only had one main event in his career, that being in Australia. But he said that didn’t affect him until after the fight ended.

“It felt the same [when he was coming to the cage],” he said. “I was thinking, ‘This time is finally here. The moment I’ve worked so hard for is finally here.’ ”

The crowd reaction to Velasquez’s victory was one of the loudest in the history of the sport.

“It was one of the biggest,” said Dana White. “Maybe the biggest.”

The only comparable reactions in UFC history would have been for Randy Couture’s 2007 heavyweight title win over Tim Sylvia in Columbus, Ohio, and Georges St. Pierre’s 2008 welterweight title win over Matt Serra in Montreal. The difference was that Couture and St. Pierre were established stars who were already two of the company’s most popular names.

This reaction, so loud partially due to the fact that the big size difference made Velasquez look like such a physical underdog, indicated the possible birth of a new company superstar.

“When I’m fighting, I don’t hear the crowd,” he said. “I sometimes hear my corner. When the fight was stopped, that’s when I heard it. That when I really absorbed it. It was the same as when I fought last year in L.A. I really felt the crowd.”

[cornbread]

He got tore up by Cain because he started mma training too damn late and is still pretty raw.

They actually started their MMA training right around the same time. Who can say if one guy has been more consistent than the other over that time. I do think Cain has more intangibles that you see in many of the great fighters.

[CubanSucks]

Hopefully we'll eventually get to see Carwin/Cain. Of all the matchups I can think of between every heavyweight, that one would be miles ahead as the most entertaining.

BTW, what ever happened with the steroid scandal with Carwin?

[dbreiden83080]

Shit just got real...

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UFC 127: Hell in a Cage

What the fuck was that about? Undertaker actually asked Brock "Do you wanna do it" after he got the hell beat out of him. That is like Peter Mcneely asking Tyson to step outside after Buster Douglas knocked him out.. I mean give me a break. What they have some dumb ass beef from their WWE days..

Taker is a clown..

[BlairForceDejuan]

That's just Taker bringing in his WWE clown acting since he had a camera in front of him. I agree though.

[BRHornet45]

sons the real shit is starting already! ...

The Undertaker confronts Brock Lesnar; Wrestlemania match rumored


A very strange exchange involving former World Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar and his former WWE colleague The Undertaker occured immediately after the fight between Lesnar and Cain Velasquez. The Undertaker, who is a long-time MMA fan, was being interviewed by Ariel Helwani at ringside about his thoughts on the fight. As the two were talking Brock Lesnar walked past and the two of them stared at eache other, with The Undertaker shouting at him “You wanna do it?”.

When pressed afterwards by Ariel Helwani about whether the two were “cool” The Undertaker responded that it was “personal” and then went on to say that Lesnar needs to train harder and refused to say that he had rooted for his former colleague against Velasquez. The full exchange is contained in the video below:

Later on Ariel Helwani raised not only the confrontation with Dana White but the rumors swirling around the Honda Center that this tied into an attempt by the WWE to sign a match between Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker for next year’s Wrestlemania. White dismissed such a notion, saying that the Undertaker regularly comes to UFC events and that he had heard nothing of a possible return by Lesnar to pro-wrestling. He did however confirm that he had been ‘butting heads’ with Lesnar recently. Could Lesnar be looking to make a lucrative return to pro-wrestling? Stay tuned to Inside Fights for all the latest news on this developing story.

http://insidefights.com/2010/10/24/the-undertaker-confronts-brock-lesnar-wrestlemania-match-rumored/

[dbreiden83080]

Going back to WWE even for one match would breach his contract with the UFC as i understand it. The confrontation with Taker and Brock would make sense if they were talking about it and looking to get some hype going but the UFC is not likely to let Brock outta his deal to take on Taker in WWE. And i doubt Brock wants to leave the UFC after all the hard work he has put in to get to this point.. Plus WWE is hemoraging money right now. Brock will make more staying put..

[Stringer_Bell]

The thing that's clear to me is that Brock has a suspect chin.

In the cage, Brock is a bully. What happens when you stand up to bullies and flip the game on them? They retreat, and Brock has done that twice in a row. He's NOT prone to knock out, but he clearly HATES being hit. Some people just can't take punches to the face, which is most people but cage fighters have to be prepared for it and embrace it.

I'm sorry guys, but the whole Undertaker/WWE thing is weirding me out now that I've had time to think about it. Hearing Dana comment on it set off my tin-foil hat alarm so I think I'm just going to stay away from that angle and relish in Diego's possible return to LW.

[Slydragon]

WWE could work out a deal to let Brock show at wrestlemania. I think it was suppose to be a shoot with taker but after Brock got his ass kick he didn't feel like doing it so he walk right pass taker. That would explain why after that happen taker was kind of at a lost for words for the rest of the interview.

[dbreiden83080]

In the cage, Brock is a bully. What happens when you stand up to bullies and flip the game on them? They retreat, and Brock has done that twice in a row. He's NOT prone to knock out, but he clearly HATES being hit. Some people just can't take punches to the face, which is most people but cage fighters have to be prepared for it and embrace it.

I'm sorry guys, but the whole Undertaker/WWE thing is weirding me out now that I've had time to think about it. Hearing Dana comment on it set off my tin-foil hat alarm so I think I'm just going to stay away from that angle and relish in Diego's possible return to LW.

You know Cain really just stayed calm and weathered that storm. I just watched it again and 2 min in, Brock was winning the fight. He came out like a house of fire, and really tried to get to Cain early. Big punches and knees from Brock landed some glancing blows.. He got a great TD about 1 min in but Cain got up easily. Then it went to the fence as Brock held on to another double leg attempt, he got it eventually but Cain popped up like a cat. After that they had an exchange of punches that nobody really landed, then Cain shocked Brock with a TD of his own. Brock was down about 20 seconds didn't take much damage and was up.. What ended the fight was the next exchange.. Brock dropped levels for a TD and Cain hit him with a short left hook that stunned him, hence the fall and spinning. Brock was going forward hard as he got hit with the punch. So he was really off balance.. Then when Cain came in with that huge knee that was really all she wrote..

So i am not sure if it's so much "Brock is a bully and when you stand up to him he falls apart" or he came out really aggressive and got hit with some hard shots.. Brock didn't look to me like he wilted mentally, just that he missed on a TD attempt and got tagged hard.. We'll see who Brock fights next. He's still a beast..

[dallaskd]

lol lesnar
lol trout
lol db
lol mormons

[The TroutBum]

lol lesnar
lol trout
lol db
lol mormons

Weak fucking sauce, but no surprise coming from you.

Obviously, I was rooting for Cock, but really, I hate Cock more than almost anyone in the world, so I was pleased to see him get his cooter smashed. Mir is going to butt rape him this time around, and I can't wait.

While I'm here, I want to officially state that Jake Shields is my least favorite fighter of all time. That is all.

[dbreiden83080]

lol lesnar
lol trout
lol db
lol mormons

Look who's here

Yeah you were picking Brock too wise-guy..

[dbreiden83080]

Weak fucking sauce, but no surprise coming from you.

Obviously, I was rooting for Cock, but really, I hate Cock more than almost anyone in the world, so I was pleased to see him get his cooter smashed. Mir is going to butt rape him this time around, and I can't wait.

While I'm here, I want to officially state that Jake Shields is my least favorite fighter of all time. That is all.

That 3rd fight is likely

honestly i think if Brock had won against Cain, Mir might have a better chance, But Brock will be fuckin pissed and looking to hurt somebody bad in his next fight. And how is Mir gonna win? Cain was a tough match-up for Brock because has good striking with great wrestling, is strong and has great cardio. Mir has never been known for his cardio and isn't strong enough to stop Brock from taking him down at will. In 2 fights Brock took Mir down whenever he wanted too.. Plus Brock now has the JJ to stay out of Mir's subs especially when in tight guard.. So Mir is gonna get killed again..

[tlongII]

Yep, Mir will get wrecked again. He doesn't have good enough striking to deal with Lesnar. IMO, that's the key to beating Brock. If you can punch with power you can beat him.

[dbreiden83080]

Yep, Mir will get wrecked again. He doesn't have good enough striking to deal with Lesnar. IMO, that's the key to beating Brock. If you can punch with power you can beat him.

Yeah you need punching power and TDD. Brock will keep working on his striking and likely close that gap in the next year or so. But as of now, that is how you get to him..

Cain kinda the same. He is unbeaten but i think you gotta hurt Cain with heavy shots and TDD also. So JDS could be an exciting fight with Cain.. If Cain gets bye him, he may reign for a while..

[benefactor]

Cain couldn't have scripted that fight better than it happened. He was patient and weathered Brock's early storm and watched and waited for the opening. After the big knee, it was pretty much academic. Can't wait to see him fight JDS. Will JDS employ the same sort of strategy?

[dbreiden83080]

Whether it's Mir or Brock's next fight after the UFC should set up another event in Minnesota where Brock will get some love like he got at UFC 87.. It's nice playing the heel but man everyone was rooting for Cain last night in Anaheim. Let Brock get some love in his Hometown..

[dbreiden83080]

All credit to LakerHater in the gifs section..


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[dbreiden83080]

UFC 121 Postmortem: Brocktober Ends with a Thud

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/UFC-121-Postmortem-Brocktober-Ends-with-a-Thud-27730

Brock Lesnar’s fame prior to entering the UFC brought him a considerable amount of money and opportunity. It also brought some unrealistic expectations for a man with only six professional fights to his name.

Lesnar, 4-1 since his 2008 UFC debut, looked uncomfortable from the outset against contender Cain Velasquez on Saturday, getting into desperate punching exchanges and eventually suffering damage to the point that referee Herb Dean stopped the bout. His sole trump card -- takedown to position to landing molar-rattling punches -- was canceled the minute Velasquez popped up within seconds of being grounded. Taking the fight as sole proof, Lesnar’s is a reputation in search of a complete skill set.

Inexperience isn’t the only explanation: Velasquez only had eight fights himself. But there’s a world of difference between hosting a camp catered exclusively to you (Lesnar) and having the in-and-out daily camaraderie of a high-level gym (like Velasquez’s AKA) offering constant emotional and physical support. Lesnar has insulated himself from the sport and most of the world in his Minnesota compound. Being a misanthrope may seem like a good base for a career that involves harming people, but not when it also requires team energy and direction.

There was tremendous crowd reaction to Velasquez, but whether that was directed at his win or at the sheer adrenaline dump of seeing someone of Lesnar’s proportions beaten down is an open issue. Maybe they were simply rabid at the sight of a sport fight turning into a fight-fight: Lesnar and Velasquez dug into each other like they were in a parking lot.

Lesnar will be fine; there are plenty of fighters that can’t stop his takedown in the division, and he’ll win more than he loses. Velasquez, who is every bit as good as his coaches say, is a poor standard to hold yourself to. He’ll make a great champion for the UFC.

Next for Velasquez: Junior dos Santos, and another serious test of his chin.

Next for Lesnar: Tuning up his striking with a slightly less mobile threat in Gabriel Gonzaga; continuing a rivalry with Frank Mir.

Next for Jake Shields: Doing more to prove he belongs in the cage with Georges St. Pierre.

Next for Matt Hamill: Stephan Bonnar.


New Questions: UFC 121


Does Shields deserve a title shot?

If he does, it won’t be because of what happened Saturday. Shields, who has spent virtually his entire career outside of the UFC, hasn’t lost in six years and has an impressive record against talented competition. But against Martin Kampmann, he looked sluggish from a reportedly tough weight cut and went from violent to just getting the job done inside of a round. Shields’s overall accomplishments probably warrant a meeting with Georges St. Pierre, but fans unfamiliar with that history will wonder what they’re missing.




Is Ortiz (above) expendable?Is Tito Ortiz expendable?

Tito Ortiz, 35 but probably a few years older in terms of ring wear, looked better than he had in years against Matt Hamill -- but it wasn’t enough to prevent Hamill from taking him down and landing grinding elbows en route to a decision. (In fight irony terms, that’s just a level below Gabriel Gonzaga’s high kick on Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic)

Ortiz hasn’t won since 2006, a stretch of time that becomes less tragic only when you consider his inactivity: he’s had only five fights in four years. He wasn’t mauled or stopped in any of them, but if the UFC is really about results, he’s seen enough.

Can Lesnar still draw?

There’s no question that a huge part of Lesnar’s appeal is the marriage between his ego and his will: when a guy boasts about going out and dominating, and then does exactly that, it’s impressive.

When he appears to be a genetic experiment and then loses 10 of the past 12 minutes he’s spent in the cage, audiences begin to see the strings.

Lesnar is not the type to enjoy being the nail, and if another fight ends in a loss, he will probably consider his MMA career concluded. But UFC fans have been coached to understand that when the best consistently fight one another, no one’s record is going to be perfect.

Will the heavyweight title continue to get germs?

Get this: in the same span of time that Anderson Silva won and has continued to retain his middleweight title, the heavyweight belt has changed hands three times -- more, if you count the confusing interim title scenario created by Randy Couture’s exit. If it’s the most prestigious title in combat sports, it’s because it’s one of the hardest to maintain a hold on.

Velasquez is undefeated and has proven skills across a variety of situations: he outwrestled the mammoth Lesnar, stood up to a very credible kickboxer in Cheick Kongo, and has a reputation for tireless output. While that makes him harder to beat, it doesn’t make him unbeatable. Dos Santos is arguably the better striker; Shane Carwin could down anyone on any given day with those ham fists; Alistair Overeem is hovering around as a scary (but largely unproven) threat. If Velasquez can put together any kind of run, it’ll be one of the bigger accomplishments in MMA.


Notes


• In a bizarre two-minute video clip Ariel Helwani shot for MMAFighting.com, WWE wrestler Mark Calloway (“the Undertaker”) was seen antagonizing Brock Lesnar as Lesnar walked past them following his second MMA loss. “You wanna do it?” Calloway said. (Lesnar just continued walking.) When wrestlers beef in locker rooms, it’s probably real. When they do it in front a conveniently-present camera, it’s a platter of crap. If Lesnar would like to return to pro wrestling, by all means, but please leave the bad acting to the Baldwins.

• Paulo Thiago and Diego Sanchez split $140,000 for Fight of the Night, a deserved bonus and a nice return to form for Sanchez, who looked bad in his last, a loss to John Hathaway. Velasquez got Knockout of the Night

• Brendan Schaub, who defeated Gabriel Gonzaga, volunteered himself for a match with Mir. Good fight, but Mir’s immediate future is probably a rematch with Lesnar, which makes sense only because both of them can talk casual fans into buying expensive tickets

• Dana White indicated Ortiz might be gone following his loss to Hamill, the fourth since 2006. If that happens, he’ll have a heck of a time getting his salary matched anywhere else.

[dbreiden83080]

Gone are the days of Digging the Graves mid-octagon. :depressed

So true. Tito is always a guy that portrays a lot of confidence in interviews but it has been forever since he won a fight. Nomatter how confident you act when you lose again and again, it's gotta make you not believe after a certain point.

Tito actually got me back into MMA. I watched when i was a kid in the old Royce Gracie days but the sport fell apart after that and nobody was watching. The no rules, no time limits, no weight classes killed the sport. But when the Fertittas bought the company and changed everything it began to turn around.. When Tito was about to fight Ken Shamrock the first time, the sport got back on the map a bit and i was interested again. I was rooting for Ken that night but came out impressed with Tito, becoming a new fan of him and rejuvinated in MMA.. He just isn't relevant in MMA anymore.. I think Tito is a UFC hall of famer for sure but it is time to move on..

However if he is cut it might be Strikeforce for Tito

"It's not even close to the end of my career," said Ortiz. "The decision might be in Dana's hands, but I've gone through some surgeries that people don't come back. I feel great. Besides my face being a little sore, I feel fine. I have no more neck problems, no more back problems."

[benefactor]

Yeah you need punching power and TDD. Brock will keep working on his striking and likely close that gap in the next year or so. But as of now, that is how you get to him..

It's hard to say...it's not a given that he becomes a good striker. Brock could wind up being another Matt Hughes. Hughes worked hard on his boxing and bragged about the improvement but at the end of the day he still got superman punched between the eyes by GSP.

TBH, I think that Brock will improve his stand up but not enough to stay standing with any of the better strikers at HW. His size and strength will always be his bread and butter and as Hughes showed, that will only take you so far in today's UFC.

[dbreiden83080]

It's hard to say...it's not a given that he becomes a good striker. Brock could wind up being another Matt Hughes. Hughes worked hard on his boxing and bragged about the improvement but at the end of the day he still got superman punched between the eyes by GSP.

TBH, I think that Brock will improve his stand up but not enough to stay standing with any of the better strikers at HW. His size and strength will always be his bread and butter and as Hughes showed, that will only take you so far in today's UFC.

He's way more dangerous than Hughes though because Hughes has pillow hands. Brock doesn't. So if he improves just a little and can connect more often he'll be a lot better. Enough to make worry about the punch and then you shoot. Plus he must keep improving his ground game.. Which has shown to be good..

[benefactor]

He's way more dangerous than Hughes though because Hughes has pillow hands. Brock doesn't. So if he improves just a little and can connect more often he'll be a lot better. Enough to make worry about the punch and then you shoot. Plus he must keep improving his ground game.. Which has shown to be good..
I think continuing to improve the ground game will mean more than the striking. That and patience. Patience is what won Cain that fight. Brock needs to learn that the thing that can truly make his power dangerous is letting the fight come to him and not getting overzealous.

[MannyIsGod]

Its kinda funny how one match will change what everyone thinks so drastically. Well, maybe for fans anyway but you gotta admire how the actual pros knew what was going to go down.

Brock's got physical tools that are going to fuck over anyone not named Cain Velásquez. At this point I don't see a reason to doubt that he remains a hell of a force in the division.

Cain is the fucking terminator. Brock losing to him doesn't suddenly make him the Matt Hughes of the division. Fuck that.

[phyzik]

Anyone want to speculate about whats going on between the Undertaker and Brock? Watch at about the 45 second mark when Brock walks by the Undertaker.

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[dbreiden83080]

Anyone want to speculate about whats going on between the Undertaker and Brock? Watch at about the 45 second mark when Brock walks by the Undertaker.

zjHtxPew5Os

It seems it was a work.. WWE wants Brock for a one time only Wrestlemania match. From what i have read Brock can't do that cause of his UFC deal..